From jammer at weak.org Thu Jan 13 15:14:11 2000 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:14:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] Test Message-ID: Testing Mailman... -Jon From ezekielk at iname.com Sun Jan 16 02:35:41 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 02:35:41 -0800 Subject: [buug] Anybody Home? Message-ID: <200001161039.CAA08791@weak.org> Excellent first meeting; thanks all! Is this list active? I'm ready to discuss our group plans and ideas onlne, but hesitate until we actually have an active list and/or board. Thanks, Jon, for getting things rolling in this matter. If you need any assistance, you know where to find me! And thanks, Chris, for your excellent discourse on M$ vs. Sun...it was most interesting. See everyone Thursday, again! --- Sites I host, participate in, or manage: http://surf.to/gaybible http://www4.50megs.com/fnc http://members.xoom.com/trkeske/ --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 From jammer at weak.org Sun Jan 16 11:45:27 2000 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:45:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] Anybody Home? In-Reply-To: <200001161039.CAA08791@weak.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, Zeke Krahlin wrote: > Excellent first meeting; thanks all! Is this list active? I'm ready to Yes, the list appears to be active. Zeke, do you have the preliminary web pages for me yet? -Jon From ezekielk at iname.com Mon Jan 17 00:14:31 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:14:31 -0800 Subject: [buug] Our Web Site will soon be up. Message-ID: <200001170829.AAA03753@weak.org> Hello, all. Please take a moment to check out our new home page...it's presently bare bones. As soon as Jon McClintock announces our URL, you can take a look-see. By Tuesday, I will add a bunch of Unix-type resource links. Any suggestions as to what you'd like our site to look like, to provide? I am presently the webmaster, but am looking, eventually, for one or two (or several) to take over this aspect of BUUG. Any takers right now? Oh, well, we're barely out of the zygote stage of our development; it's too soon to expect so much. Also looking for an artistic person who'd enjoy decorating our site with some pretty graphics. Anyone interested: we can collaborate in bringing it together. Anyone have an exquisite snapshot of a sunset over the Berkeley Marina? I'd love to scan it, and use it as a header for the home page. Any other Berkeley-type photos that may look great on our site? Bring 'em to our meeing. TIA Under the likely circumstance that in this early stage, we will have *no others building this site, I will gladly develop the site on my own...so it will look very eye-fetching and be asked out on a lot of cyber-dates. Please don't go by first impressions; s/he's a late bloomer. --- Sites I host, participate in, or manage: http://surf.to/gaybible http://www4.50megs.com/fnc http://members.xoom.com/trkeske/ --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 From jammer at weak.org Mon Jan 17 10:19:17 2000 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:19:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] Our Web Site will soon be up. In-Reply-To: <200001170829.AAA03753@weak.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jan 2000, Zeke Krahlin wrote: > Hello, all. Please take a moment to check out our new home page...it's > presently bare bones. As soon as Jon McClintock announces our URL, you can > take a look-see. The web page has been posted at: http://www.weak.org/buug/ > By Tuesday, I will add a bunch of Unix-type resource links. Any suggestions > as to what you'd like our site to look like, to provide? I am presently > the webmaster, but am looking, eventually, for one or two (or several) to > take over this aspect of BUUG. Any takers right now? Oh, well, we're > barely out of the zygote stage of our development; it's too soon to expect > so much. Eventually, what I'd like to see is us CVS the web pages. That way we don't have to manually merge them over, and we can keep track of changes. (CVS is a source-management package. It allows multiple people to edit and manage a set of files.) Another thing we need to start doing is actually promoting our group. Not extensively at this stage, but just to build up a member base. Any ideas? -Jon From ezekielk at iname.com Wed Jan 19 01:19:21 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 01:19:21 -0800 Subject: [buug] Webpage Stuff Message-ID: <200001191007.CAA14575@weak.org> Is there an e-mail address I can put on our web page, other than the one for this mailing list? I can use one I created, BUUGmail at yahoo.com, for visitors to report a broken link, or send a comment. If this sounds okay, I can give Jon McClintock the user name and password for this yahoo mail...or to anyone else who might cover this responsibility of reading and answering queries. For now, I am using that yahoo e-mail on our web page...but can easily and quickly change it, if need be. I have also created a form for the e-mail, for better security...again, with a free service. The form will send a message to the yahoo address, then take you back to our website at weak.org. I can provide the password and handle for this form, to others in this group, if using this form service is agreeable. (One form is for sending a message to the webmaster or administration...other for reporting a broken link.) I understand some people's desire to use our own servers, and have no problem with this. I'll remove the forms, in that case, as soon as we have an administration e-mail address (that does not get routed to our listserver). Feel free to try out the forms, too. UPDATED PAGES: Jon, you can download "index.html", "about.htm" and "resources.htm" from the following link: http://www4.50megs.com/buug/mirror/BUUGWEB.ZIP And you can preview the page at: http://www4.50megs.com/buug/mirror/ FYI: During this next meeting, a lunar eclipse will occur, peaking at 8:43pm. I suggest we all take a sky-break for this event...if, hopefully, the night is cloudless. --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 From ezekielk at iname.com Tue Jan 25 03:20:21 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Ezekiel J. Krahlin) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 03:20:21 -0800 Subject: [buug] Web Page Stuff Message-ID: <4.3.0.29.0.20000125031747.00a67100@pop.netzero.net> WEBSITE UPDATES To Jon McClintock, server host: Please download the updated web pages from: http://www4.50megs.com/buug/mirror/BUUGWEB.ZIP I've added more links to the Resources page. RETURN HOME LINK Can you put a "return to home page" link on the BUUG mailing list page? SECOND E-MAIL ADDRESS Soon as you send me a second e-mail address, I can replace the temporary yahoo address with one to your server. This 2nd address will be used for visitors to our site, to report broken links, or just post a comment or question. CHAT ROOM How about a chat room? But if you can't provide an IRC service, I can muss up a chat room at a free service called "ToolZones", located at http://www.toolzone.com. CALENDAR I was thinking of a calendar listing all Unix-related events in and around the Berkeley area. Plain text, or something fancier? TIA, see ya Thursday! --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From ezekielk at iname.com Tue Jan 25 03:23:32 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Ezekiel J. Krahlin) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 03:23:32 -0800 Subject: [buug] Check out our Resources page Message-ID: <4.3.0.29.0.20000125032035.00a66400@pop.netzero.net> Hello, fine members! Please take some time to examine the updated links on our resources page at http://www.weak.org/buug/resources.htm Suggestions to improve this page are eagerly sought. Likewise for any new links or other resources you know of, that would benefit this page. Any other suggestions on any other aspect of our website, is most welcome, What things would you like to see on our site? TIA __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jan 26 13:29:18 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:29:18 -0800 Subject: [buug] Re: Check out our Resources page Message-ID: <20000126132917.A22314@uncle-enzo.imat.com> Ezekiel wrote: > Suggestions to improve this page are eagerly sought. Likewise for any > new links or other resources you know of, that would benefit this > page. It's a good start, though I tend to think the CNET site's pretty useless. ZDNET has an equally bad one -- in both cases largely because they refuse to link to anything outsides themselves. (Somebody else might get clickthrough revenue -- eek!) You might find http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ (my page of information on local *ix groups) handy. Among other things, it'll let BUUG see that it has a meeting-night conflict with Bay Area FreeBSD User's Group's Berkeley chapter. You'll note that I have a map showing people how to get to 2000 University at Milvia. (I find that cross-streets are always handy.) When I get around to it, I'll add driving/BART/AC Transit directions. A few other comments: (1) I take my hat off to you, if you can sustain weekly meetings. Local experience with Stanford Linux User Group and CCSF Linux User Group suggests that most groups can't manage it. 'Course, doing this as a social gathering will help. Just please make sure there's always somebody _at_ Au Cocolat: People typically will come to an announced location only once, and, if there's nobody there, will decide the group must have folded. (2) Watch those meeting-date conflicts. One of the reason I maintain my site is to help groups avoid them. (3) I'd suggest keeping a list of upcoming events right near the top of the main page. List _several_ upcoming meetings, because that makes the site more forgiving of the inevitable deferred maintenance. I'd suggest each listed event state the specific date and time for each event, in addition to the date formula (every Thursday, 7-9 PM). That may sound excessive, but in my experience it helps. (4) I'd suggest that the main page also prominently state that the group is free of charge, and open to the public. (Yes, I know the "About" page more or less says this.) (5) Somebody should bring to Au Cocolat something to recognise the group by, e.g., a stuffed Chuck the Daemon or something. (6) I'd suggest adding a map and directions to the main page. (7) User group Web sites benefit, in my experience, from "last revision date" stamps and maintainer links. Your front page has the latter in the form of "Questions or comments? Click here to send a message." Traditionally, the maintainer/feedback link is at the bottom. Ditto the datestamp. Reason: the datestamp helps convince people it's not a dead/unmaintained Web page, and encourages people to send corrections/additions. The maintainer/feedback link makes the latter easy. -- Cheers, "Ceterum censeo Linux propaganda est." Rick Moen -- Seth David Schoen rick at linuxmafia.com From feedle at feedle.net Wed Jan 26 13:40:28 2000 From: feedle at feedle.net (Christopher Sullivan) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:40:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] Re: Check out our Resources page In-Reply-To: <20000126132917.A22314@uncle-enzo.imat.com> Message-ID: > (5) Somebody should bring to Au Cocolat something to recognise the > group by, e.g., a stuffed Chuck the Daemon or something. Permanent "nametags" would be a Good Thing. Plastic nametag holders can be obtained from Staples pretty cheaply, and they can be printed up on a decent laser (or even through a multicolor process) printer and distributed. I'll volunteer to do this, if desired. I'll come up with some tenative designs and show them to the group on Thursday. -Chris From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jan 26 15:22:48 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:48 -0800 Subject: [buug] Re: Check out our Resources page In-Reply-To: <200001262252.OAA23221@hugin.imat.com>; from ezekielk@iname.com on Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 02:16:50PM -0800 References: <200001262252.OAA23221@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: <20000126152247.F22851@uncle-enzo.imat.com> Quoting Zeke Krahlin (ezekielk at iname.com): > Gee, that's great! Permission to link you from our home page as > "Calendar"? Of course! > Well, we can't have that...our intention is to *network, not +conflict! > Thanks for the alert, Rick. Looks like BAFUG meets every other Thursday? http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ links to http://linuxmafia.com/bale/#bafugberk , which links to http://www.bafug.org/ , which links to http://www.bafug.org/bafug_about.html ...where one learns that the Berkeley meetings are on 4th Thursdays, 7:30 PM. Of course, if you trust my BALE page, you can stop at Step 2, because the info is there, too. ;-> (Notice that a similar chain of links from http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ takes you to BUUG's pages.) > As long as our group remains free or very low cost to maintain, we > will be able to afford weekly meetings regardless of how few or how > many show up. As I was saying, the main thing to be careful of is to _always_ visibly be there at your advertised events. That is, have somebody reliably there, early, to make sure people see a BUUG table when they drop in. Seriously, when people hear on the Net about a previously unfamiliar group's event, they'll show up once to see if it's real. If nobody's there, they typically will have a hard time believing the group still exists, for future events. -- Cheers, "Ceterum censeo Linux propaganda est." Rick Moen -- Seth David Schoen rick at linuxmafia.com From ezekielk at iname.com Wed Jan 26 16:14:01 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:14:01 -0800 Subject: [buug] X-Drive: free 100MB storage Message-ID: <200001270018.QAA00491@weak.org> Hey, I just learned of a free storage service that lets you keep up to 100MB worth of files on their system. Files can also be *shared by others. This might prove to be a useful service for BUUG...as well as for anyone with web access. http://www.xdrive.com/ --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 From ezekielk at iname.com Wed Jan 26 16:16:08 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:16:08 -0800 Subject: [buug] Hacker board for free ISP stuff Message-ID: <200001270018.QAA00497@weak.org> I help operate a hacker-friendly board that discusses free ISP's, and related material. Anyone interested, please drop on over. We are presently recovering from a massive attack of M$ fanatics...as you'll see by some of the threads of last month. So we are looking to fill up with new members. Just go to the home page: FreeNetCubs BBS & Chat http://www4.50megs.com/fnc and select the "message board" link. You'll need to first register with Delphi online services (it's free), before logging onto the board. Then, to gain access to FNC BBS, you'll have to key in the group code, which is presently: MSstinks At least one member from this board (besides myself), may be joining BUUG. Others may participate in the mailing list, considering their vast geographical distance from Berkeley. --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 From jammer at weak.org Wed Jan 26 17:57:20 2000 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:57:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] Re: Check out our Resources page In-Reply-To: <20000126132917.A22314@uncle-enzo.imat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Rick Moen wrote: > You might find http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ (my page of information on > local *ix groups) handy. Among other things, it'll let BUUG see that > it has a meeting-night conflict with Bay Area FreeBSD User's Group's > Berkeley chapter. Yeah, I noticed this yesterday. Hmm. We'll have to discuss this next meeting. > (5) Somebody should bring to Au Cocolat something to recognise the > group by, e.g., a stuffed Chuck the Daemon or something. I've just printed out some very visible placards we can put on the tables. I'll bring a couple along on Thursday. AFA the web page, yes, it needs work. Maybe if I find some time this weekend I'll add some more to it and make it more eye-pleasing. Eventually, I plan to have it CVS'd and accessable to a group of people. -Jon From jgrosch at mooseriver.com Thu Jan 27 10:03:43 2000 From: jgrosch at mooseriver.com (Josef Grosch) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:03:43 -0800 Subject: [buug] January BAFUG meeting in Berkeley Message-ID: <20000127100343.A73407@mooseriver.com> -- Berkeley BAFUG -- (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) January 2000 Meeting The Berkeley chapter of the Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group (BAFUG) will be holding its monthly meeting on Thursday, January 27th. This month's meeting will be held at The Transbay / UC Computers at 2569 Telegraph Ave. in Berkeley. The meeting will start at 7:30 pm. Our Agenda will be : Agenda : ==> Josef Grosch will give an informal talk on setup Jserv which is a Java servelet running within Apache. ==> Josef Grosch will talk about BAFUGs plans for the upcoming Install-A-Thon to be held on February 26th at The Robert Austin Computer Show at the Oakland Convention Center. ==> Pizza and Soda will be ordered and the hat will be passed `round ==> Of course, we will have the usually kvetchen about sundry topics Location: This months meeting will be held at UC Computers / Transbay in Berkeley. UC Computers is located at 2569 Telegraph Ave. between Parker & Baker Streets. There is limited parking on the street. Their phone number is (510) 649-6087. Time: The meeting starts at 7:30ish with pizza showing up around 7:15ish. We generally get kicked out around 11:00 pm. Directions: By AC Transit bus: By AC Transit bus: Routes 40 El Cerrito - Bayfair, 64 Downtown Berkeley - Merritt College, 51 Berkeley - Oakland - Alameda, 52 U.C. Village - U.C. Campus, 7 Del Norte BART - Rockridge BART, and "U" San Francisco - Berkeley stop nearby. By BART: From the downtown Berkeley station, walk uphill (east) one block on Allston Way to Oxford Street at the edge of the UC campus, turning right (south) two blocks to turn left (east) onto Bancroft Way. Walk three blocks uphill to turn right (south) onto Telegraph Avenue. Transbay/UC Computers is 5 1/2 short blocks ahead, at 2569 Telegraph. By Car: By car: From I-80, exit eastbound on University Avenue, and proceed two miles to the end, turning right (south) on Oxford Street. Proceed 11 blocks along Oxford (which becomes Fulton Street) to turn left (east) on Parker Street. Go three blocks to Telegraph, and park where you can. Transbay/UC Computers is at 2569 Telegraph. WWW info: More info can be found at the following URLs http://www.transbay.net http://www.bafug.org Contact: Please contact either Nicole Harrington , or Josef Grosch on or before January 27th so we can have a basic idea of how much pizza, soda, and coffee we will need. -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.4 jgrosch at MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses From ezekielk at iname.com Fri Jan 28 02:45:34 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 02:45:34 -0800 Subject: [buug] InoculateIT Antivirus Message-ID: <200001290401.UAA13155@weak.org> To Rick Moen: The name of the antivirus program I use (which name eluded me at our meeting) is: INOCULATEIT FREE ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE http://www.cai.com/antivirus/personal/ Unlike any other free antivirus software, InoculateIT also performs active monitoring in the background. All other free antivirus programs do *not have that feature (unless you pay to unlock that feature). This is for Windoze95/98. Computer Associates, the company that makes this product, provides weekly updates that are quick and easy to download and install. --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Jan 29 15:11:58 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 15:11:58 -0800 Subject: [buug] InoculateIT Antivirus In-Reply-To: <200001290401.UAA13155@weak.org>; from ezekielk@iname.com on Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 02:45:34AM -0800 References: <200001290401.UAA13155@weak.org> Message-ID: <20000129151158.I24030@uncle-enzo.imat.com> Quoting Zeke Krahlin (ezekielk at iname.com): > The name of the antivirus program I use (which name eluded me at our > meeting) is: > > INOCULATEIT FREE ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE > http://www.cai.com/antivirus/personal/ Thanks, Zeke! Now that my building's sDSL line has been repaired, I can let you guys know where my Linux-virus-checkers essay is: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#virus -- Cheers, "Ceterum censeo Linux propaganda est." Rick Moen -- Seth David Schoen rick at linuxmafia.com From ezekielk at iname.com Sat Jan 29 15:23:21 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 15:23:21 -0800 Subject: [buug] InoculateIT Antivirus Message-ID: <200001292334.PAA17348@weak.org> Hi Rick Moen, you wrote on 1/29/2000 3:11:58 PM: >Now that my building's sDSL line has been repaired, I can let you guys >know where my Linux-virus-checkers essay is: > >http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#virus Glad your page is back up...you have some excellent resources there. Re. Linux viruses: this would make a great selling point for people to switch from Windoze to a Linux or other Unix-derived OS. As viruses/worms/Trojan horses and online identity theft are on the rise, sensible paranoia will inspire many PC consumers to switch to a more robust, bullet-proof OS that is very inexpensive, and even free. Favor request: If not too much trouble, could you post a message to John Scott of Colma, about my whereabouts? I can't track down his e-mail address or phone number on the web, and I don't want to impose on you for that information. Here's what you can post to John for me: Hi, John. This is a KAY*FOG blast from the past! The creater of SALLYJONES and proposer of self-policing CRC-redundancy virus-check programs (Microcornucopeia, Sep.-Oct. 1988) apologizes for staying out of touch for so long. Of course you know who I am, but to be sure, visit my website at http://surf.to/gaybible. You'll see I go by another name these days. Please post to me at ezekielk at iname.com, so I can write back to you...and finally resume cyber-communications. All the things we once philosophized about on KAY*FOG, have come true...thanks to all the wizards there, who taught me true nerdhood and wysiwyg wisdom! --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 From ezekielk at iname.com Sat Jan 29 23:30:15 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:30:15 -0800 Subject: [buug] InoculateIT Antivirus Message-ID: <200001300728.XAA00476@weak.org> Hi Rick Moen, you wrote on 1/29/2000 4:29:52 PM: >I don't have an e-mail address handy, but my good friend "grep" found >this A million thanks. --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 From feedle at feedle.net Sun Jan 30 09:50:33 2000 From: feedle at feedle.net (Christopher Sullivan) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 09:50:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] FWD: CoffeeNet to Close Today (fwd) Message-ID: This came my way through the BALUG and Bay Area Debian list. CoffeeNet was one of two sources of Internet access when I moved up here eight months ago looking for work, and was (essentially) a transient. CoffeeNet was a unique place, and it will be sorely missed. Wish I would have recieved this earlier: it would have been nice to stop by for old times sake. I hope they get a new location soon... -Chris ----- Forwarded message from "Rick Moen (temporary address)" ----- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:40:33 -0800 From: "Rick Moen (temporary address)" To: balug-talk at balug.org Subject: CoffeeNet to Close Today X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i For the past three-odd years, WAN/LAN consultant Richard Couture has operated the CoffeeNet, a 100% Linux-based Internet cafe, at 744 Harrison near Third Street, San Francisco. Today is its last day of operation at the current location. (If you want to visit, do so before today's 2 PM closing time.) In 1996, when Richard decided to build The CoffeeNet, he made a number of choices that seemed bold by prevailing standards: It was based on a custom Linux distribution developed by Richard and his friend Michael Nelson, coordinated via NFS and NIS+, running on commodity Pentium X workstations. The business was entirely self-funded with no outside capital. Unlike several would-be competitors -- some venture-capital funded, such as the now-bankrupt Cyberworld cafe -- Richard's operation has not attempted to sell Internet access: The business model has been to offer a pleasant restaurant experience, where Internet access is an amenity, rather than the core of the business. Basing that amenity on Richard and Michael's rock-solid but average-user-friendly Linux distribution has meant no need for technical staff and no machine downtime: The systems run themselves. Cyberworld's owners, when Richard paid them a courtesy call in 1998, clearly felt that Richard was an amateur whom they were going to bury, receiving him with barely-concealed contempt: After all, they felt, he wasn't smart enough to base his operation around MS Windows NT, to charge an hourly rate, or keep staff on-hand to rebuild and debug software. Within a year, Cyberworld lost several million dollars and went out of business. One of their last acts was to ask if Richard could accomodate some of their customers who had rented Cyberworld for parties. Richard, always gracious, said "Of course." Over the last five years at 744 Harrison, Richard's building has been an incubator and home for a significant portion of the Bay Area's Linux and free-software community. Windows Refund Day and the Silicon Valley Tea Party were planned there. CABAL, Bay Area Debian, BayLinuxChix, the Python group BayPIGgies, SFpcUG Linux SIG, and City College of San Francisco LUG have met there. The open-source publicity firm Electric Lichen, LLC (now part of VA Linux Systems) was based there. The Internet hosting operation LinuxCabal is there. And Linux community activist and one-time WAN/LAN consultant Rick Moen lives there (as does Richard, himself). Richard Stallman has spoken there. Dale Sheetz and Joey Hess of the Debian project, Python author Guido van Rossum, and Marc Ewing of Red Hat Software, Inc., ditto. Two local ISPs and a number of other local businesses hold regular meetings and events, there. And, throughout all of those events, members of the general public find to their surprise that they're using Linux, and liking it. The CoffeeNet has always been Exhibit A used to refute FUD assertions that Linux is too difficult for "average users": Hundreds of regular people off the street come in every day, and use the public machines with no problems and no training whatsoever. The CoffeeNet is closing today because Richard is preparing to find and move to a new building, elsewhere in San Francisco. It's very likely that he will reopen The CoffeeNet in some form at the new location, because he enjoys giving Internet access to the public, and support to the free-software community. Ordinarily, you could check out The CoffeeNet's on-line presence at http://www.coffeenet.net/ . Since Thursday at 6 PM, however, one of the two sDSL lines serving 744 Harrison has been cut (thank you, PacBell!), cutting off numerous Internet hosts, including Richard's, The CoffeeNet's, and mine. (I'm posting from a temporary address, and have not moved from rick at linuxmafia.com, long-term.) Some hosts on the other sDSL line are also difficult to reach, because of dependencies on the unreachable hosts' DNS. There is not yet an estimated time for restored service, as the breakage hasn't yet been found. -- Rick M. ________________________________________________________________________ This message was sent by the balug-talk mailing list. To unsubscribe: echo unsubscribe | mail -s '' balug-talk-request at balug.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- see shy jo From ezekielk at iname.com Sun Jan 30 16:16:23 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:16:23 -0800 Subject: [buug] Web page update Message-ID: <200001310043.QAA04786@weak.org> WEB PAGE UPDATE AND REQUESTS Jon, I have updated our web site to include maps, schedule, descriptions, and calendars...as well as other good stuff in "resources". I will add a nice background, and other dressing-up next week. You (and anyone else) can preview the update from our mirror site at: http://www4.50megs.com/buug/mirror And you can download all updated files from: http://www4.50megs.com/buug/mirror/BUUGWEB.zip You can remove file "about.htm", as it is no longer part of the site. Due to the need to get the improved basics up and running pronto, I am breaking our agreement for this instance...which agreement is that updates will be ready each Thursday, with no intermediate ones between-times. Also: I have opened a "BUUG files archive" page (linked from our home page) at a free, 50-MB web host, at: http://www4.50megs.com/buug We can always move the file archive location to another server, if this seems a better idea. TO ALL MEMBERS RE. OUR WEBSITE: I need more links to non-Linux Unix-type resources...as well as "On-line discussion" links other than newsgroups (e-mail lists and message boards). So, does anyone know of useful Unix-related list servers and message boards out there on the 'net? As for adding more local groups to our resources page, I was going to do that, simply by lifting some from Rick Moen's excellent site. However, that site is temporarily down. TO RICK: would you like your resource page to have a new home on our BUUG site? (Or can I mirror it on our site?) If so, please e-mail me the html file(s). And for archives: well, nothing is listed on our new file archives page yet...so please recommend good documents, faq's, and utilities that will make for a valuable collection. TIA all...that was a great meeting last Thursday; just a sample of all the good times and Unix schmoozing we can look forward to, as we grow and diversify. Definitely, a quality-not-quantity kind of crowd. And special thanks to wizards both present and future, for their patience in assisting newbies. --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 From ezekielk at iname.com Sun Jan 30 16:37:14 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:37:14 -0800 Subject: [buug] FWD: CoffeeNet to Close Today (fwd) Message-ID: <200001310043.QAA04800@weak.org> Hi Christopher Sullivan, you wrote on 1/30/2000 9:50:33 AM: >CoffeeNet was one of two sources of Internet access when I moved up here >eight months ago looking for work, and was (essentially) a transient. >CoffeeNet was a unique place, and it will be sorely missed. Wow...glad you got to enjoy that remarkable place before it shut down. I knew Richard Couture, back in the early days when he set up and ran SFPCUG...a truly excellent board. Apparantly, Richard has been diligently educating the masses re. computers/internet for many years now. >Wish I would have recieved this earlier: it would have been nice to stop >by for old times sake. I hope they get a new location soon... I hope so too...because, foolishly, I have *not ever gotten around to visiting CoffeeNet. Like so many other things where I keep saying to myself: "Gee, I oughtta check this out!" Thanks for the news item...I would not have known of CoffeeNet's demise otherwise (at least, not for a long time). --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 From rick at hugin.imat.com Mon Jan 31 09:47:44 2000 From: rick at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:47:44 -0800 Subject: [buug] Web page update In-Reply-To: <200001310043.QAA04786@weak.org>; from ezekielk@iname.com on Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 04:16:23PM -0800 References: <200001310043.QAA04786@weak.org> Message-ID: <20000131094743.A545@uncle-enzo.imat.com> Quoting Zeke Krahlin (ezekielk at iname.com): > TO RICK: would you like your resource page to have a new home on our > BUUG site? (Or can I mirror it on our site?) If so, please e-mail me > the html file(s). You're welcome to mirror them. Just grab the HTML files right off the Web. Eventually, I intend to have BALE auto-generated by a PHP script back-ended into MySQL, but it's 100% manually edited, at this point. -- Cheers, "Ceterum censeo Linux propaganda est." Rick Moen -- Seth David Schoen rick at linuxmafia.com From ezekielk at iname.com Mon Jan 31 13:00:43 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:00:43 -0800 Subject: [buug] Web page update Message-ID: <200001312103.NAA10038@weak.org> Hi Rick Moen, you wrote on 1/31/2000 9:47:44 AM: > TO RICK: would you like your resource page to have a new home on our > BUUG site? (Or can I mirror it on our site?) If so, please e-mail me > the html file(s). > >You're welcome to mirror them. Just grab the HTML files right off the >Web. Oh, I only offered that because I thought your web site was down permanenty, having something to do with using the same server that now-defunct (but hopefully to be reborn) CoffeeNet used. I thought this, because your site was inaccessible all yesterday evening...and you had a similar problem a day or two before. But today, it's up and A-OK...so I'll just link to your calender, instead of copyng it. Thanks for you suggestion on improving the BUGG site...you'll see the results. --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 31 13:49:02 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:49:02 -0800 Subject: [buug] Web page update In-Reply-To: <200001312103.NAA10038@weak.org>; from ezekielk@iname.com on Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 01:00:43PM -0800 References: <200001312103.NAA10038@weak.org> Message-ID: <20000131134857.B1700@uncle-enzo.imat.com> Additionally, if I _did_ have serious downtime, your offer would not have reached me, since my e-mail address is on the same machine. -- Cheers, "Ceterum censeo Linux propaganda est." Rick Moen -- Seth David Schoen rick at linuxmafia.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 31 13:47:21 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:47:21 -0800 Subject: [buug] Web page update In-Reply-To: <200001312103.NAA10038@weak.org>; from ezekielk@iname.com on Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 01:00:43PM -0800 References: <200001312103.NAA10038@weak.org> Message-ID: <20000131134717.A1700@uncle-enzo.imat.com> Quoting Zeke Krahlin (ezekielk at iname.com): > Oh, I only offered that because I thought your web site was down > permanenty, having something to do with using the same server that > now-defunct (but hopefully to be reborn) CoffeeNet used. I thought this, > because your site was inaccessible all yesterday evening...and you had a > similar problem a day or two before. My building's main sDSL line is actually still down, but we have the LAN cross-connected to the building's second sDSL line, temporarily. My main machine was off-line yesterday afternoon and last night because in the process of moving some heavy furniture out of my apartment, I or the friend helping me move apparently kicked out the machine's power. Barring accidents like the latter, I've had pretty much continuous uptime for about 5-6 years. -- Cheers, "Ceterum censeo Linux propaganda est." Rick Moen -- Seth David Schoen rick at linuxmafia.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 31 15:24:41 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:24:41 -0800 Subject: [buug] Web page update In-Reply-To: <200001312103.NAA10038@weak.org>; from ezekielk@iname.com on Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 01:00:43PM -0800 References: <200001312103.NAA10038@weak.org> Message-ID: <20000131152435.G1700@uncle-enzo.imat.com> Quoting Zeke Krahlin (ezekielk at iname.com): > Thanks for your suggestions on improving the BUUG site. You're quite welcome. Here's another: http://www.weak.org/buug/ states: We meet the first 3 Thursdays of each month, from 7-9pm at Au Coquelot Cafe; and the last Thursday of each month with the BAFUG folks at UC Computers, 7:30-9pm. Close but no cigar. BAFUG-Berkeley meets on the _4th_ Thursday, which sometimes equates to the last Thursday, but sometimes not. Some months contain five Thursdays. In Y2K, March, June, August, and November have five, while the other months have four. You probably psyched yourself out by looking only at February, where the 4th Thursday does happen to also be the last one. Suggestion: print the output of "gcal 2000" to paper, and tape that to your wall. gcal aka "cal" is your friend when doing calendar work. -- Cheers, "Ceterum censeo Linux propaganda est." Rick Moen -- Seth David Schoen rick at linuxmafia.com From ezekielk at iname.com Mon Jan 31 22:39:30 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:39:30 -0800 Subject: [buug] Web page update Message-ID: <200002010848.AAA12546@weak.org> Hi Rick Moen, you wrote on 1/31/2000 1:49:02 PM: >Additionally, if I _did_ have serious downtime, your offer would not >have reached me, since my e-mail address is on the same machine. Anything we post via the list also shows up on our archive page (almost immediately). So in such an emergency (of your or *anyone's server being down), you can always log onto the net with any other server, and read the latest messages, and respond through a web-based mailbox. This is why I posted my offer via the list, instead of directly to your personal mailbox. (Or did I? Can't remember now.) Any-hoo, I'm glad your downtime was just a temporary thang. --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235 From ezekielk at iname.com Mon Jan 31 22:51:56 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:51:56 -0800 Subject: [buug] Web page update Message-ID: <200002010848.AAA12551@weak.org> Rick Moen said: >BAFUG-Berkeley meets on the _4th_ Thursday, which >sometimes equates to the last Thursday, but sometimes not. Thanks for catching that. I have changed that sentence to: We meet every Thursday of each month, from 7-9pm at Au Coquelot Cafe; EXCEPT on the fourth Thursday when we jive with the BAFUG folks at Transbay/UC Computers, 7:30-9pm. Thanks for catching that. At least I have the Feb. schedule correct. (Though the directions getting to Transbay may be somewhat in error...I will walk the route Thurs. afternoon to make any need connections.) (Any changes made to our web site will be updated each Thursday, barring any urgent needs.) Also, I am *assuming that we will make our BAFUG visits a regular thing...but nothing is written in concrete, and we can always adjust when need be. --- Toll-free voice/fax mailbox (USA only): 1-888-830-5746 (ext. 8275) ICQ#: 8485235