From ezekielk at iname.com Tue Jun 6 23:06:56 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (ezekielk at iname.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 02:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux Message-ID: <000607020656JE.13350@weba6.iname.net> Playing around with Corel Linux 1.1, I am impressed at its user friendliness for my clients (who are dumping Windoze). But the damn mouse won't work, and there is no "mouseconfig" utility which I expected to run in the console. (I know, I tried to run it as root, but the program was not found; and a search revealed it to not even exist. Nor does Corel seem to have a way to change the mouse setting in its menus.) My mouse is a generic 2-button, works fine in other OS's, including Mandrake 6.1. I believe I found the problem, but don't know how to resolve it: Under folder "/etc" I found the file "devices", which seems to have set my mouse as PS/2: [mouse.1] protocol = PS/2 driver = psaux device = /dev/psaux I believe I'll have to edit these lines for my serial mouse on the first serial port, for which I imagine the third line should be changed to: device = /dev/ttyS0 but I have no idea of what to place in the two lines above. I haven't come across any documentation to help me on this. Does anyone reading my message know? It's keeping me from developing the desktop for my clients, and I'd like to move a little faster. TIA. --- Cyberspace: love it or leave it! -------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://netscape.iname.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jun 7 04:33:07 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:33:07 -0700 Subject: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux In-Reply-To: <000607020656JE.13350@weba6.iname.net>; from ezekielk@iname.com on Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 02:06:56AM -0400 References: <000607020656JE.13350@weba6.iname.net> Message-ID: <20000607043307.D24636@linuxmafia.com> begin ezekielk at iname.com quotation: > My mouse is a generic 2-button, works fine in other OS's, including > Mandrake 6.1. I believe I found the problem, but don't know how to > resolve it: Naw. You'll want to look at the manpage for "gpm", the general-purpose mouse driver. See also: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/3-Button-Mouse-8.html And make /dev/mouse a symlink to whatever port (/dev entry) your mouse is on. By the way, you really ought to configure your mail reader to compose posts with each line less than 80 columns. This paragraph-long-line thing is a bit obnoxious. -- Cheers, "Not using Microsoft products is like being a non-smoker 40 or 50 Rick Moen years ago: You can choose not to smoke, yourself, but it's hard rick (at) linuxmafia.com to avoid second-hand smoke." -- Michael Tiemann From ezekielk at iname.com Wed Jun 7 12:45:36 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (ezekielk at iname.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux Message-ID: <0006071545368F.28619@weba8.iname.net> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000, you wrote: > begin ezekielk at iname.com quotation: > > > My mouse is a generic 2-button, works fine in other OS's, including > > Mandrake 6.1. I believe I found the problem, but don't know how to > > resolve it: > > Naw. You'll want to look at the manpage for "gpm", the general-purpose > mouse driver. Thanks. As it turns out, the mouse configuration for Corel Linux is incorporated in the XF86Setup utility. While clearing up the mouse problem, it screwed up my video settings. The utility forced me to answer questions re. video, even though I didn't want to. However, I also checked out Caldera Linux, whose installation directly and intelligently handles the mouse configuration right from the beginning. Then, it works with the monitor/video...even found my particular monitor model...and from there, all easy sailing for a complete and satisfying install. Mandrake 7.0 is just like Corel, in that they both neglect the mouse configuration...apparantly defaulting to PS/2. And does it in such a way as to frustrate the ability of the user to really get beyond this glitch. Seeing as these two distros are being promoted for newbies, this is especially confounding. On something as obvious and simple as a mouse configuration, newbies should *not be expected to pore over configuration manuals, just to install a serial mouse. So Caldera wins this little race. But now that I know what's up, I might try upgrading (once more) from Mandrake 6.1 to 7.0. > See also: >http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/3-Button-Mouse-8.html Mine's a 2-button. But thanks for you suggestions, as they may come in handy later on. Though for an OS to screw up the mouse is absurd, IMO. >By the way, you really ought to configure your mail >reader to compose posts with each line less than 80 >columns. Really? I thought this did not happen with actual messages sent...only with the archives. However, I did try to correct this a couple months ago. Turned out that the e-mail client I was using, did *not have any option to configure word wrap in the outgoing messages. In fact, I couldn't find one, except in Netscape's own e-mail client...which I really did not want to use. But use it I did, and the messages were properly wrapped at my 72-width setting. Then, a few weeks ago, I switched e-mail services. In so doing, an unexplained problem arose, where a lot of my mail was not being received by our list. I have so far lost four messages I attempted to post. So in order to participate, I had to revert back to one of my web-based e-mail clients...all of which do not have an option to wrap messages to a right margin of less than 80. The one I'm using now, is at "iname.com". Jon has tried to resolve this glitch for me, but is presently just as perplexed as I am, in this matter. >This paragraph-long-line thing is a bit obnoxious. "Obnoxious" is a poor choice of words, as it implies I am doing this with intent to be irritating; which I certainly am not. I think "annoying", "nuisance", "difficult" and "irritating" are each a better choice of words. (Speaking from one anal-retentive to another.) If you find my messages too much trouble to bother with, just skip them (or perhaps switch to receiving the mail instead of going through the archives). Otherwise, I ask everyone to bear with me, until I get this problem resolved. I've been meaing to post the problem with my current e-mail service, but have been rather busy. I guess I should do this soon. -------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://netscape.iname.com From jammer at weak.org Wed Jun 7 13:26:35 2000 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:26:35 -0700 Subject: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux In-Reply-To: <0006071545368F.28619@weba8.iname.net>; from ezekielk@iname.com on Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 03:45:36PM -0400 References: <0006071545368F.28619@weba8.iname.net> Message-ID: <20000607132635.C4805@weak.org> On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 03:45:36PM -0400, ezekielk at iname.com wrote: > Mine's a 2-button. But thanks for you suggestions, as they may come in handy later on. Though for an OS to screw up the mouse is absurd, IMO. I'm going to be nitpicky here... The operating system isn't at fault for your mouse woes. The problem is with the distributions. Linux is an operating system. Mandrake, Corel Linux, Red Hat, and Debian are all Linux distrubutions. Ok. I'm done being nitpicky for the day. -Jon From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jun 7 13:55:01 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:55:01 -0700 Subject: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux In-Reply-To: <0006071545368F.28619@weba8.iname.net>; from ezekielk@iname.com on Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 03:45:36PM -0400 References: <0006071545368F.28619@weba8.iname.net> Message-ID: <20000607135501.A507@linuxmafia.com> begin ezekielk at iname.com quotation: > Thanks. As it turns out, the mouse configuration for Corel Linux is > incorporated in the XF86Setup utility. Hmm. You're saying the Corel-written utility to configure X also creates a startup-script segment for gpm? Possible. However, that doesn't mean you have to use that, if you don't want. This problem might have as simple a solution as adding "gpm -t ms" to a startup script and symlinking /dev/mouse to the appropriate port. > "Obnoxious" is a poor choice of words, as it implies I am doing this > with intent to be irritating; which I certainly am not. You may have _inferred_ that, but have no reason to suppose that I implied it. Unintentional things can be obnoxious, and often are. > If you find my messages too much trouble to bother with, just skip > them.... That is always an option, well known to anyone who can use procmail (among others). And if I cared for nothing more than removing annoyances from my life, I would go straight to that remedy. The reason I let people know is that (1) they often don't know, and appreciate being told, and (2) that's the only way netiquette _can_ work. > Otherwise, I ask everyone to bear with me, until I get this problem > resolved. Hey, no problem. I just thought you ought to know. -- Cheers, It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. Rick Moen It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, rick (at) The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, linuxmafia.com It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. From ezekielk at iname.com Wed Jun 7 23:11:32 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (ezekielk at iname.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux Message-ID: <000608021132FJ.11852@weba8.iname.net> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000, master Rick Moen wrote: > begin ezekielk at iname.com quotation: > Hmm. You're saying the Corel-written utility > to configure X also creates a startup-script > segment for gpm? I dare not make such a claim, as I am too much a novice! But there is definitely no "mouseconfig" program; and Corel's mouse help filesexplicitly says to run XF86Setup (sp?) if you need to setup the mouse. > Possible. However, that doesn't mean you have to > use that, if you don't want. This problem might > have as simple a solution as adding "gpm -t ms" > to a startup script and symlinking /dev/mouse to > the appropriate port. I appreciate this suggestion, as it is likely the answer to my wish to successfully operate Mandrake 7.0. So what playing with Corel did, was lead me to resolving a problem with 7.0, that I had put aside. Now, thanks to your explanation, and my somewhat increased experience, I see how to do this. > You may have _inferred_ that, but have no reason > to suppose that I implied it. Unintentional > things can be obnoxious, and often are. I can work with that. It *is really annoying to try to read messages with overextended margins. For now, I must remember to end each line before my web-mail wraps it in the little window. I hope this message looks better, as result. > Hey, no problem. I just thought you ought to know. Well of course I may not have been aware, but I expected you to read my mind! I am *also somewhat disoriented, experimenting with six different Linux distros this week. But enjoying it a whole lot! So my apology for being a little touchy. Of all the distros, I have decided to settle on Mandrake for my own use, and Caldera for my clients. They are happy to browse the web free of constant hassling with antivirus updates, with good online security that I've set up. They only use Windoze for games, while one of 'em uses DOS to run his business needs. As for editors, spreadsheets, calculators, etc....well, they're all there for them in Linux. Their Windoze partitions have been shrunk to less than .5 gig. Ahhh...feels sooo good! I *will get back to Debian, once I have more Linux expertise under my belt. This should be in a week or so. I have purchased the CD w/book "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" by O'Reilly, whom you highly recommend. (Just $19!) -------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://netscape.iname.com From ezekielk at iname.com Wed Jun 7 23:22:53 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (ezekielk at iname.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: e: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux Message-ID: <000608022253IF.24839@weba2.iname.net> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000, Master Jon McClintock wrote: > I'm going to be nitpicky here... The operating > system isn't at fault for your mouse woes. The > problem is with the distributions. I am getting a clearer understanding of this relevant difference. The distro is the "wrapping" around Linux. Better to have made my subject title: "Mouse problem in Corel Linux". > Ok. I'm done being nitpicky for the day. Be that way! -------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://netscape.iname.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jun 7 23:34:06 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:34:06 -0700 Subject: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux In-Reply-To: <000608021132FJ.11852@weba8.iname.net>; from ezekielk@iname.com on Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 02:11:32AM -0400 References: <000608021132FJ.11852@weba8.iname.net> Message-ID: <20000607233406.A5975@linuxmafia.com> begin ezekielk at iname.com quotation: > I dare not make such a claim, as I am too much a novice! But there is > definitely no "mouseconfig" program; and Corel's mouse help > filesexplicitly says to run XF86Setup (sp?) if you need to setup the > mouse. Oh, OK. If it's the same XF86Setup utility as on most Linux distributions (the one from the XFree86 Project), then that will configure your pointing device for _X_ (only). That is, it'll write a new /etc/X11/XF86Config file. That's a useful thing in itself, but it's not what you said you're trying to do. You said you wanted mouse support at the text-mode console, right? I.e., when you're not running X. For that, you need to run gpm, the general-purpose mouse driver. As I mentioned. It's very likely that Corel doesn't tell you anything about gpm specifically because they're trying to de-emphasise Linux's non-X functionality. Corel Linux is a carefully targeted play at the MS Windows desktop market. So, it stands to reason that they'd have little to say about how to operate efficiently outside of X. > I can work with that. It *is really annoying to try to read messages > with overextended margins. For now, I must remember to end each line > before my web-mail wraps it in the little window. I hope this message > looks better, as result. Thanks for taking the trouble. Sounds like a lot of work. > Of all the distros, I have decided to settle on Mandrake for my own > use, and Caldera for my clients. Yeah, a lot of people like Mandrake for desktop use. I haven't tried Caldera in a few years. > I *will get back to Debian, once I have more Linux expertise under my > belt. This should be in a week or so. I have purchased the CD w/book > "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" by O'Reilly, whom you highly recommend. > (Just $19!) Um, hate to say it, but I didn't recommend that book. The book is a decent general book on Linux, but doesn't have much to say about Debian's unique features. I think it has on the order of two pages about apt-get and related files, for example, and maybe three pages about dpkg. You might have a look at my Debian Tips file, even though it drastically needs re-writing and reorganisation, and needs to have the stuff about Debian "slink" (2.1) discarded in favour of "potato" (2.2), which should be one's starting point, these days. http://linuxmafia.com/debian/tips -- Cheers, It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. Rick Moen It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, rick (at) The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, linuxmafia.com It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. From ezekielk at iname.com Thu Jun 8 01:29:05 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (ezekielk at iname.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 04:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux Message-ID: <000608042905H4.16882@weba8.iname.net> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000, Master Rick Moen wrote: > That's a useful thing in itself, but it's not what > you said you're trying to do. You said you wanted > mouse support at the text-mode console, right? > I.e., when you're not running X. No, I was caught up in the installation process, where I couldn't use the mouse. I know about using gpm in console. I figured you were suggesting I jump to another console and somehow force the installation routine to accept my com port mouse. Sorry for not being clear enough about my problem. > It's very likely that Corel doesn't tell you > anything about gpm specifically because they're > trying to de-emphasise Linux's non-X functionality. I admire their efforts to usurp the Evil Empire; somebody's gotta do it! However, they should consider that as root, one may need to perform some troubleshooting and maintenance...for which we'd appreciate console utilities like "mc" and "minicom". And these are missing in Caldera...and thus I presume same for Corel (which I have since removed). I couldn't live without "mc", as it is really an efficient way to glid around the hard drive, and edit scripts, move files, etc... compared to GUI file managers. So I'm downloading "mc" and other utilities I'd like to include. > Thanks for taking the trouble. Sounds like a lot > of work. I just don't understand why *all mail clients and services don't provide word wrap for both incoming and outgoing. This one, iname.com, has ingoing wrap only. And apparantly, your own client may not have this ingoing option (if you are actually receiving messages, rather than viewing the archives). > Yeah, a lot of people like Mandrake for desktop > use. Mandrake is very generous to a fault...tends to overwhelm the new Linux user. But I have come to appreciate the Mandrake distro as a result of trying out other distros...except SUSE, which I understand is the *most generous of all (too much for smaller HDs). But Caldera does not intimidate new users by throwing everything in, including the kitchen sink. The installation is very user-friendly, especially since the video/monitor section is a breeze. And, during the lengthy processing of moving and installing packages from CD to HD, you can play a fun game of Pacman. This helps newbies feel more welcome to Linux; a nice touch. It's a very clean install, with resulting orderly desktop. Caldera *does use a different ppp interface: one that only lets you register one ISP. But I have since learned about the "account" scripts which I can create for as many more ISPs that I want. > Um, hate to say it, but I didn't recommend that > book. I thought when you recommended "Learning Linux", it was also a recommendation for all the author's other books. Never mind. > The book is a decent general book on Linux, > but doesn't have much to say about Debian's > unique features. Yes, I am *not impressed with the book, especially since he just drops the reader in the middle of package-install. Considering how tricky this part is, I was disappointed. > You might have a look at my Debian Tips file, I just did: you did a fine job on easing users through this strange package installation. O'Reilly ought to add your well written explanation, give you credit, and share the royalties. -------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://netscape.iname.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Jun 8 02:18:49 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:18:49 -0700 Subject: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux In-Reply-To: <000608042905H4.16882@weba8.iname.net>; from ezekielk@iname.com on Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 04:29:05AM -0400 References: <000608042905H4.16882@weba8.iname.net> Message-ID: <20000608021849.A6667@linuxmafia.com> begin ezekielk at iname.com quotation: > No, I was caught up in the installation process, where I couldn't use > the mouse. I know about using gpm in console. I figured you were > suggesting I jump to another console and somehow force the > installation routine to accept my com port mouse. Sorry for not being > clear enough about my problem. Ah. If the installation is graphical, which I recall Stormix's being, then you would indeed have to specify the mouse port and protocol correctly as part of X setup (if that's not autodetected correctly). I've only fooled with Stormix once, so I don't recall any of this clearly. You probably want to check their documentation. > I admire their efforts to usurp the Evil Empire; somebody's gotta do > it! However, they should consider that as root, one may need to > perform some troubleshooting and maintenance...for which we'd > appreciate console utilities like "mc" and "minicom". Here's a tip for you: Install the ssh package. Then, when you absolutely need to become root for a moment, do "ssh root at localhost". In the root-user shell you then get, you can start _even_ X-based utilities from the command line; the ssh daemon will forward your X session, such that those utilities will be able to image onto your regular-user X session. Most people, when they need to run an X application (like, say, printtool) with root authority will log out entirely, login as root, do root-user stuff for a while, log back out, and log back in as a regular user. The above alternative allows you to avoid this time-wasting drill -- and avoid the temptation to stay logged in as root, which you should always be leery of. For non-X root-user tasks, just do "su - " to become root temporarily, do what you need to do, then hit Ctrl-D or type "exit" to close the root shell and revert to being a regular user. Again, you don't want to wield root authority any longer than necessary. It's too dangerous to your system. > So I'm downloading "mc" and other utilities I'd like to include. You know, you can do that using apt-get, the Debian utility. You may want to add a few additional lines in /etc/apt/sources.list . If you're interested, I'll suggest a few. > I just don't understand why *all mail clients and services don't > provide word wrap for both incoming and outgoing. This one, iname.com, > has ingoing wrap only. And apparantly, your own client may not have > this ingoing option (if you are actually receiving messages, rather > than viewing the archives). Standard Unix MUAs do not themselves display messages: That is done by spawning a pager (such as less) or an editor (such as vim). My MUA is mutt, which is configured to call vim to edit reply drafts, and which by default quotes the original message and prepends "> " in front of each quoted line. Additionally, the spawned instance of vim auto-wraps the _display_ of any quoted lines that exceed the screen width. (I keep the screen width at 80 columns.) So, when my vim message-draft buffer includes quoted text with lines longer than my screen (80 columns), they are shown as apparently-wrapped text in the display, but vim treats such text for editing purposes as still part of the one (very long) line. Thus, for example, each entire damned paragraph-long quoted line gets exactly one "> " delimiter, at the beginning. If I wish to correct this situation, I have to do it manually. I of course have a vim macro to re-format such a misshapen "line" to individual lines of 72 or so characters each, each one properly delimited with a "> ". But, to answer your implied question, it is inappropriate to impose on MUAs a need to "word wrap" either outgoing or ingoing message. The messages are supposed to start out as proper ASCII lines of less than 80 columns, and remain that way when quoted in replies. It is serendipitous that my MUA happens to largely compensate for other people's formatting screw-ups, but it's simply wrong to suggest that it _should_ do so. > Mandrake is very generous to a fault...tends to overwhelm the new > Linux user. But I have come to appreciate the Mandrake distro as a > result of trying out other distros...except SUSE, which I understand > is the *most generous of all (too much for smaller HDs). I believe SuSE 6.4 comprises about 2200 packages. If you add up all four Debian 2.2 ("potato") collections -- main, non-free, contrib, and non-US -- I believe there's around 4200. > Caldera *does use a different ppp interface: one that only lets you > register one ISP. By "interface", you mean configuration tool, I assume. > I thought when you recommended "Learning Linux", it was also a > recommendation for all the author's other books. Never mind. No. Definitely not. The one I mentioned was _Running Linux_, 3rd edition. Details and link are always on my personal FAQ page, at http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#cheaplinux -- Cheers, It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. Rick Moen It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, rick (at) The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, linuxmafia.com It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. From ezekielk at iname.com Thu Jun 8 14:03:05 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (ezekielk at iname.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux Message-ID: <0006081703056V.26116@weba3.iname.net> On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, Rick Moen wrote: > Here's a tip for you: Install the ssh package. > Then, when you absolutely need to become root for > a moment, do "ssh root at localhost". That's cool! I'll do that. Thanx. I just downloaded "open ssh", that is, "openssh-1.2.3-1.src.rpm". > The above alternative allows you to avoid this > time-wasting drill -- and avoid the temptation to > stay logged in as root, which you should always be > leery of. I'm already used to popping in and out of root, by running "su" in console. But there are other times where I had no choice, but to logout/login as root, to accomplish something...such as changing permissions on a desktop link. Unitl you alerted me to "ssh". To ensure that I won't connect to the 'net as root, I have not set up any ISP access in my root session ...only in my user account. For installing *.rpm's, I use the "super user mode" file manager that Mandrake has thoughtfully provided in the menu selection. (This is a GUI tool.) Then, just by clicking on an "rpm", it will open to show me its contents. However, I cannot select "install" unless I'm doing so as root. > You know, you can do that using apt-get, the > Debian utility. You may want to add a few > additional lines in /etc/apt/sources.list . > If you're interested, I'll suggest a few. Yes, I'm interested, Rick. If you post your suggestions now, I'll save them to my Debian notes. I do not have Debian installed at this time, but will try again in about a week. I did not find an "apt" folder under my Mandrake "/etc", so I presume "apt" is unique to Debian. And I also presume that "apt-get" is a command line FTP process? > But, to answer your implied question, it is > inappropriate to impose on MUAs a need to > "word wrap" either outgoing or ingoing message. Understood. I was just talking about mail clients, not the underlying server functions. At *least they should all have the option automatically word wrap outgoing messages. Since a lot don't, including the one I'm now using (web-mail service "iname.com"), I am stuck with having to fuss with every post I make. > > Caldera *does use a different ppp interface: one > >that only lets you register one ISP. > > By "interface", you mean configuration tool, > I assume. Caldera has replaced "kppp" with "safer_kppp" (or similar spelling), where you (as root) can only include a single ISP. But their doc led me to instructions on how to manually add more ISPs, by creating new "accountx" scripts with a plain text editor. Each account has a numeric increment, like so: account1, account2, account3, etc. The script is so simple you don't even need instructions on creating a new one...it's all too obvious. -------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://netscape.iname.com From ezekielk at iname.com Fri Jun 9 02:58:35 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (ezekielk at iname.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux Message-ID: <000609055835LN.00679@weba6.iname.net> On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, Rick Moen wrote: > You know, you can do that using apt-get, the > Debian utility. You may want to add a few > additional lines in /etc/apt/sources.list . > If you're interested, I'll suggest a few. Well whaddya know, I reinstalled Corel Linux, and I got it working great...which is what I had hoped, since it *is Debian. I will soon install it to my main partition, and remove it from my "work space" partition. The package selections are VERY user-friendly, with drop-down lists of each sub-package, and accompanying 1-line description of each package. This is a very neat way of installing Debian while bypassing its notoriously nasty "deselect". You might want to have a look-see at this Corel-Debian distro. While a lot of stuff is installed, it doesn't all show up on the menu. But if you select "custom' install, there you will find Midnight Commander and lots of other nifty tools. And I see the "/etc/apt/sources.list" you are talking about: ---begin "sources.list": # Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits # your mirror contains. # deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free # See sources.list(5) for more information, especial # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs deb file:/mnt/amnt/cdrom1 corellinux-1.0 main contrib non-free corel deb ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/linux/CorelLinux corellinux-1.0 main contrib non-free corel #deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian slink main contrib non-free #deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US slink non-US ---end of "sources.list" --- Cyberspace: love it or leave it! -------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://netscape.iname.com From feedle at feedle.net Fri Jun 9 09:43:27 2000 From: feedle at feedle.net (Christopher Sullivan) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] [Buug-admin] Open Source research project (fwd) Message-ID: This may be of interest to the group. -Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 23:51:08 -0700 From: Shaosong Ou To: buug-admin at weak.org Subject: [Buug-admin] Open Source research project Dear open source programmer, The rapid expansion of the open source movement continues to surprise many observers. Although open source attracts more attention from users and programmers our understanding of the underlying success factors, the implications on the software industry as a whole, its strengths and weaknesses is still poor. The Marshall School of Business at the University of Southern California (USC) is conducting a research project to study the open source phenomenon. In particular, we are interested in better understanding the diverse motivations of participants in open source projects. The study will provide a solid theoretical basis to better understand the open source phenomena, make better predictions and provide deeper insights into the open source world. As you are an active participant in an open source project, we are asking for your help by filling out the attached small questionnaire. It consists of three pages and takes about 10 minutes to complete. Please go to the URL listed below and send us your response. All responses will be submitted anonymously. In addition, all answers will be kept confidential and used for research purposes only. Thank you. http://cybrarium.usc.edu/survey/index.html Your response is vitally important for this research. We highly appreciate your assistance and look forward to hear from you. Sincerely, Shaosong Ou ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shaosong Ou IOM Department, Marshall School of Business University of Southern California Bridge Hall 401M Los Angeles, CA 90037 Phone: (213)740-6817 (O) (213)740-7313 (Fax) Email: sou at bus.usc.edu _______________________________________________ Buug-admin mailing list Buug-admin at weak.org http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug-admin From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 9 11:21:29 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:21:29 -0700 Subject: [buug] Mouse problem in Linux In-Reply-To: <000609055835LN.00679@weba6.iname.net>; from ezekielk@iname.com on Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 05:58:35AM -0400 References: <000609055835LN.00679@weba6.iname.net> Message-ID: <20000609112129.F2192@linuxmafia.com> begin ezekielk at iname.com quotation: > The package selections are VERY user-friendly, with drop-down lists of > each sub-package, and accompanying 1-line description of each package. > This is a very neat way of installing Debian while bypassing its > notoriously nasty "deselect". The Corel thing is just yet another graphical front-end to Debian's apt-get, by the way. There have been quite a few, including console-apt and gnome-apt. Corel's is based on the proprietary QT 1.1 toolkit, same as their KDE variant. > And I see the "/etc/apt/sources.list" you are talking about: > > ---begin "sources.list": > > # Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits # > your mirror contains. # deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main > contrib non-free # See sources.list(5) for more information, especial > # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs deb > file:/mnt/amnt/cdrom1 corellinux-1.0 main contrib non-free corel deb > ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/linux/CorelLinux corellinux-1.0 main contrib > non-free corel #deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian slink main > contrib non-free #deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US slink > non-US > > ---end of "sources.list" Now, you begin to see yet another reason why mailers that auto-wrap with hard returns are Evil and Must Die: Your software completely wrecked that listing. Here, let me fix it for you manually: # Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits # your mirror contains. # deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free # See sources.list(5) for more information, especial # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs deb file:/mnt/amnt/cdrom1 corellinux-1.0 main contrib non-free corel deb ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/linux/CorelLinux corellinux-1.0 main contrib non-free corel #deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian slink main contrib non-free #deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US slink non-US That is a slightly modified version of the default Debian 2.1 ("slink") /etc/apt/sources.list file: # Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits # your mirror contains. # deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free # See sources.list(5) for more information, especial # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs deb http://security.debian.org/ stable updates deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US In other words, Corel has commented out (by default) access to the mainline Debian-slink packages, and added sources for additional packages on (1) a locally-mounted Corel Linux 1.0 CD-ROM, as made available by some local automount daemon, and (2) The Corel Linux 1.0 tree on Corel's ftp site. In case I didn't mention the fact, Corel Linux is basically Debian-slink, with some additions and tweaks. (Their method of access to CD-ROM contents is inferior to the native Debian one. See the manpage for apt-cdrom.) By the way, do I correctly infer that you've installed Corel Linux 1.0? You should be aware that 1.1 is out. OK, before I go any further, a warning: Each named-and-numbered Debian tree (e.g. 2.1 = slink, 2.2 = potato) is designed to consist of a harmonious collection of packages. You are intended to be able to install arbitrary packages from the slink package collections on a slink system without causing problems. You are intended to be able to install arbitrary package from the potato package collections on a potato system without causing problems -- with the provisio that "potato" is almost but not quite ready to be certified as the next "stable" Debian branch. _However_, there's no guarantee that mixing regular-Debian package into a Corel system won't cause problems. It is known that Corel made modifications in a number of areas (most famously in WINE), and (mostly) failed to contribute back their changes in a timely fashion to the core developers. Thus, for example, Corel's WINE implementation (used for Corel Office 2000, among other things) is now an incompatible fork, and Corel's patches (now that the company has belatedly released them) cannot be merged back. That having been said, you _can_ uncomment the last two lines in your existing sources.list, and thereby gain access to all 3000-odd slink packages. (After doing so, type "apt-get update" as the root user to refresh available-package information, or use Corel's graphical tool. Then, you'll see the newly-available packages in /var/state/apt/lists/*Packages, in /var/lib/dpkg/available, and presumably in Corel's graphical tool.) Further, if/when you're feeling extremely adventuresome, you could (1) substitute "potato" lines for the "slink" lines in sources.list and/or (2) add additional, third-party package sources. Here is a sources.list file from a potato system: # Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits # your mirror contains. # deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free # See sources.list(5) for more information, especial # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs deb http://security.debian.org/ stable updates deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian frozen main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US frozen non-US/main non-US/contrib non -US/non-free Note the line from security.debian.org. That gives me early access to security fixes, even before they are released into the main package collections. There are many third-party apt-sources. There's a list of them at http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/ Note that, for each source, the necessary sources.list line is shown in bold text. My personal opinion is that slink, and distributions based on slink, are a bit too antiquated. My recommendation, these days, is to start with the five "potato" installation floppy images at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ That would be rescue.bin, root.bin, driver-1.bin, driver-2.bin, and driver-3.bin. With just those floppies (if your machine has any form of Internet access), you can easily install the Debian 2.2 Base System. If your machine does _not_ have Internet access, you can install the Base System from the eleven Base System floppies in the same directory (base-1.bin through base-11.bin). Given a 2.2 ("potato") Base System, you will then have a cutting-edge Debian system, which you can then supplement using apt-get, and optionally adding additional sources to /etc/apt/sources.list, including all the Corel Linux and Stormix packages. (Per my warning, of course, you pull down third-party packages at your own risk.) Actually, Corel has deliberately prevented apt-get Internet access to the Corel-originated packages in its 1.1 release. For those (only), you can get them only in source-code tarball form, from ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/linux/CorelLinux/source/corellinux-1.1/corel/source/ They had to make this minimal access to the code available because, of course, these were modified versions of other people's GPLed software, whose modified binaries Corel distributes. ...or, of course, you can buy a Corel Linux 1.1 CD-ROM from Corel, which is what they want you to do. -- Cheers, "Java is COBOL 2.0." Rick Moen -- Deirdre Saoirse rick (at) linuxmafia.com From girio at hotmail.com Fri Jun 9 17:47:00 2000 From: girio at hotmail.com (Girio Wong) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:47:00 GMT Subject: [buug] cannot install FreeBSD with my CD-ROM Message-ID: <20000610004700.29128.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, I would like to install FreeBSD 3.4 to my PCG-505TR(US) also, but the intallation kernel (I guess) cannot recognize my PCMCIA PCGA-CD51 drive. I have tried many ways to change the IRQ, etc..... but not succeed. Will anyone have the similar experience and able to share with me. If so, please advise me the necessary procedures how to install FreeBSD in this machine. Thanks so much for you kind attention and looking forward to your reply soon. Girio Wong Berkeley, CA, U.S.. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 9 18:14:03 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:14:03 -0700 Subject: [buug] cannot install FreeBSD with my CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <20000610004700.29128.qmail@hotmail.com>; from girio@hotmail.com on Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 12:47:00AM +0000 References: <20000610004700.29128.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20000609181402.N10601@linuxmafia.com> begin Girio Wong quotation: > I would like to install FreeBSD 3.4 to my PCG-505TR(US) also, but the > intallation kernel (I guess) cannot recognize my PCMCIA PCGA-CD51 > drive. I have tried many ways to change the IRQ, etc..... but not > succeed. In case it helps, the I/O base address of that ATA adapter is at a non-standard location: 0x180 through 0x386. You also might want to see some of these: http://psg.com/~randy/vaio/ http://www.webweaving.org/vaio/ http://www.tanelorn.demon.co.uk/Computing/freebsd4.html http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~dkulp/fbsd/laptop.html http://www.nui.org/vaio/vaio_bsdos.en.html (BSD/OS) http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/163/1999/3/0/ If that doesn't help, you might ask on the bafug-chat or bafug-questions mailing lists. http://www.bafug.org/bafug_mail.html -- Cheers, "Java is COBOL 2.0." Rick Moen -- Deirdre Saoirse rick (at) linuxmafia.com From feedle at feedle.net Mon Jun 12 11:39:33 2000 From: feedle at feedle.net (Christopher Sullivan) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Re: [Buug-admin] Message to BUUG Administration In-Reply-To: <200006121116799.SM00313@pelican> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 user at FormMail.To wrote: > Message: Well, you said "any" questions, right ? :) > > Uhh, just curious. You are local to me (Alameda), and was wondering > if/what variant of *nix you'd suggest. I'm a Network Engineer, who now > has to do IP admin on corporate systems that use Digital Unix, Solaris, > etc. Was wondering whether I should install Linux or FreeBSD/NetBSD at > home. > > Not overly concerned about running games or anything, just whichever is > closest to what I'll actually be working with at work. From what I know, > Linux is quite siialr, except many commands are named differently. Would > obviously prefer to use commands that are named/work the same. If you use Solaris at work, install Solaris x86. It's available for "cost of media" (which actually is around $75, I don't figure how that works) from Sun. I invested the money into a CD set, and it was well worth it. While there are differences between Solaris x86 and Solaris on Sun hardware, it's fairly trivial to fill in the gaps between the two. All of the "free" Unix variants have their advantages. Linux has the advantage of having lots of support. BSD is rock solid. However, both are going to (most likely) be different than what you are going to encounter in the workplace (unless your workplace uses OpenSource software like mine). This has been the One Big Problem with Unix ever since AT&T forked the code off with BSD, and it's probably going to get worse over time before it gets any better. Also consider that a large part of a sysadmin's job involves hardware wrangling. While you might get knowledge of, say, Solaris on the x86 platform, it does not prepare you for dealing with things like the OpenPROM stuff on true Sun hardware. If you need this kind of knowledge, you'll need to find somewhere you can get your hands dirty with it. If you are looking for such a place, E-Mail me in private and I'll provide more info. As far as trying to further your career, I would tend to shy away from becoming too tied to Linux. I'm sure some fellow listmember will flame me for this, but I don't see Linux being the best direction to spend your energies, because this field is already saturated, and is likely to get worse. BSD is a good thing to learn, because they have their "own way of doing things" that differs from the SVR4-centric world (Solaris, Linux, etc). Somebody who knows, say, BSD and Solaris can easily command a six-figure salary here in the Bay Area. There are tons of high-school kids fiddling with Linux right now, and they will enter the job market at a low price. If you have not picked up a copy of it already, I would strongly recommend O'Reilly's "Essential System Administration" book, writteen by Aeleen Frisch. The ISBN # is 1565921275. It's good, because it discusses differences between the various platforms, so you can get an idea of how to do things on the other side of the fence. > Oh well, you'll probably flame me for not just showing up at a meeting > and asking these questions. Consider yourself flamed. :) You might wish to join the main mailing list. Info is on the webpage. -Chris From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jun 12 12:00:05 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:00:05 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: [Buug-admin] Message to BUUG Administration In-Reply-To: ; from feedle@feedle.net on Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 11:39:33AM -0700 References: <200006121116799.SM00313@pelican> Message-ID: <20000612120005.A14830@linuxmafia.com> begin Christopher Sullivan quotation: > Somebody who knows, say, BSD and Solaris can easily command a > six-figure salary here in the Bay Area. Exposure to more *ixes is better than fewer. If you can pick up familiarity with HP/UX and AIX, too, all the better. Just don't learn SCO, as it increases the already frightening possibility of having to administer a SCO box. > If you have not picked up a copy of it already, I would strongly > recommend O'Reilly's "Essential System Administration" book, writteen > by Aeleen Frisch. Add Evi Nemeth's, just for the bookend effect. ;-> -- Cheers, It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. Rick Moen It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, rick (at) The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, linuxmafia.com It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. From bill at wiliweld.com Mon Jun 12 13:51:40 2000 From: bill at wiliweld.com (Bill Schoolcraft) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Re: [Buug-admin] Message to BUUG Administration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At Mon, 12 Jun 2000 it looks like Christopher Sullivan composed: CS-> As far as trying to further your career, I would tend to shy away from CS-> becoming too tied to Linux. I'm sure some fellow listmember will flame me CS-> for this, but I don't see Linux being the best direction to spend your CS-> energies, because this field is already saturated, and is likely to get CS-> worse. BSD is a good thing to learn, because they have their "own way of CS-> doing things" that differs from the SVR4-centric world (Solaris, Linux, CS-> etc). Somebody who knows, say, BSD and Solaris can easily command a CS-> six-figure salary here in the Bay Area. Thank you for your post, I've been using Linux for a couple of years and came to realize that the whole world is not "eth0" or "/dev/hda" and when that dawned on me the first time I did a FreeBSD install I got to thinking. I have since then installed OpenBSD(2.6) at home, which I'm using now to send this and have been "THROUGHLY_HUMBLED" by last weeks install of Solaris-7 at home on a new box I bought just for that reason. I wasn't doing it for future salary considerations but having done a career change last year from the Machinist Union I am NOT comfortable nor satisfied with being an average Journeyman. I celebrate one full year in the Linux industry next week and the choice of being able to swim in ALL waters is clear to me. Oh, "eth0" on my Solaris-7 box is "iee0" (Intel EtherExpress) ($BLUE_COLLAR_GRIN) Bill Schoolcraft http://www.wiliweld.com PO Box 210076 San Francisco, CA 94121 " saevis tranquillus in undis " From monique at spelmansearch.com Wed Jun 14 07:25:44 2000 From: monique at spelmansearch.com (Monique) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:25:44 +0000 Subject: [buug] Opportunity References: <200006131900.MAA06576@weak.org> Message-ID: <394795E8.9FC9CBDD@spelmansearch.com> Employment Opportunity SENIOR ISIS SYSTEMS ANALYST DEVELOPER Acts as the Senior ISIS Systems Analyst for R & D in support of the computer software systems and scientists. This position will be the senior ISIS technical expert. This position will supervise the ISIS DBA and ISIS developer. This position will be responsible for coordinating ISIS efforts. BS Computer Science, Information Systems, or Biology, Chemistry, or related biotechnology disciplines with strong academic or employment credentials in CS or IS/IT. Minimum 4 years experience in all aspects of MDL ISIS software, expert level ISIS (including ISIS/PL, ISIS Base for example), Oracle, and PL/SQL. Desired: C, C++ or Java programming, and UNIX (Sun Solaris, SGI) operating systems experience. To apply please contact: Lauren Spelman Spelman & Associates (415) 945-1800 lauren at spelmansearch.com buug-admin at weak.org wrote: > Send Buug mailing list submissions to > buug at weak.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > buug-request at weak.org > You can reach the person managing the list at > buug-admin at weak.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Buug digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: [Buug-admin] Message to BUUG Administration (Bill Schoolcraft) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bill Schoolcraft > Subject: Re: [buug] Re: [Buug-admin] Message to BUUG Administration > To: Christopher Sullivan > Cc: buug at weak.org > > At Mon, 12 Jun 2000 it looks like Christopher Sullivan composed: > > > > CS-> As far as trying to further your career, I would tend to shy away from > CS-> becoming too tied to Linux. I'm sure some fellow listmember will flame me > CS-> for this, but I don't see Linux being the best direction to spend your > CS-> energies, because this field is already saturated, and is likely to get > CS-> worse. BSD is a good thing to learn, because they have their "own way of > CS-> doing things" that differs from the SVR4-centric world (Solaris, Linux, > CS-> etc). Somebody who knows, say, BSD and Solaris can easily command a > CS-> six-figure salary here in the Bay Area. > > > > Thank you for your post, I've been using Linux for a couple of years > and came to realize that the whole world is not "eth0" or "/dev/hda" > and when that dawned on me the first time I did a FreeBSD install I > got to thinking. I have since then installed OpenBSD(2.6) at home, > which I'm using now to send this and have been "THROUGHLY_HUMBLED" by > last weeks install of Solaris-7 at home on a new box I bought just for > that reason. I wasn't doing it for future salary considerations but > having done a career change last year from the Machinist Union I am > NOT comfortable nor satisfied with being an average Journeyman. I > celebrate one full year in the Linux industry next week and the choice > of being able to swim in ALL waters is clear to me. > > Oh, "eth0" on my Solaris-7 box is "iee0" (Intel EtherExpress) > ($BLUE_COLLAR_GRIN) > > Bill Schoolcraft http://www.wiliweld.com > PO Box 210076 San Francisco, CA 94121 > " saevis tranquillus in undis " > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > End of Buug Digest From feedle at feedle.net Fri Jun 16 14:44:00 2000 From: feedle at feedle.net (Christopher Sullivan) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Opportunity In-Reply-To: <394795E8.9FC9CBDD@spelmansearch.com> Message-ID: Monique: Job postings generally should be forwarded to the moderators of this mailing list (buug-admin at weak.org or buug-pr at weak.org) so they can be screened for relevance. Since your message does not appear to be relevant (I have no idea what ISIS is, but it appears to not be an operating system that would fall under the guises of "UNIX" for our purposes), we will be dropping your E-Mail address from the mailing list for inappropriate conduct. The buug at weak.org mailing list is not to be used for sending of unsolicited commercial E-Mail. Job postings are tolerated ONLY IF they are first sent to the moderators first so they may be screened for relevance. Job postings fall under our rules for unsolicited commercial E-Mail because they are 1. commercial, and 2. unsolicited. buug at weak.org is designed to be a "general chatter" list for members of the user group. If your organization formally apologizes to buug-admin at weak.org, we will be more than happy to forward future relevant job announcements to our user base THROUGH THE MODERATORS at the buug-admin or buug-pr mailing addresses ONLY. Until such an apology is rendered, you will be restricted from posting any content to our mailing list(s) and any job announcements recieved will be dropped, regardless of their relevance. -C. Sullivan Mouthpiece Berkeley Unix Users Group On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Monique wrote: > Employment Opportunity > SENIOR ISIS SYSTEMS ANALYST DEVELOPER [snippage] From ezekielk at iname.com Wed Jun 21 02:07:03 2000 From: ezekielk at iname.com (ezekielk at iname.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] This Thursday: BAFUG Message-ID: <00062105070386.00652@weba7.iname.net> My usual reminder: BUUG's meeting will be held at BAFUG's location (Transbay/UC Computers), this Thursday...as we do every fourth Thursday of each month. Please see directions on the BUUG home page, re. BAFUG's meeting location. Bring a few dollars and show up by 7:15pm if you want to partake in Pizza Inhalation Therapy. See ya there! --- In our geekness, let us schmooze: http://www.weak.org/buug -------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://netscape.iname.com From feedle at feedle.net Tue Jun 27 15:31:46 2000 From: feedle at feedle.net (Christopher Sullivan) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:31:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [buug] Re: [Buug-admin] OpenLinux PowerSolutions Tour 2000 In-Reply-To: <05f983221181b60R4-OM8@r4-om8.rsvp0.net> Message-ID: Please explain to your spamhaus that sending __LINUX__ users HTML and CSS encoded E-Mail will usually result in just offending the users, and resulting in it being deleted before it is read. Since the majority of text-based mail readers (including older versions of Pine, and current versions of mutt and elm) cannot properly lay up HTML, resulting in your message being unreadable. Additionally, HTML is not an E-mail standard, it is a web-based standard. It increases the size of E-Mail, and permits all sorts of tom-foolery that jeopardises people's E-Mail security and privacy. A company that is supposed to stand for standardization of Internet protocols (as opposed to Microsoft's apparent 3E [embrace, extend, extinguish] standards policies) probably should not be sending out HTML-based E-Mail. Do _NOT_ send us E-Mail until you figure out a way to get your spamhaus to send ONLY PLAIN TEXT MESSAGES, free of HTML markups. -Chris Mouthpiece Berkeley Unix Users Group On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Caldera Systems wrote: > > You are receiving this e-mail because you registered at our site, or > requested information about one or more of the products mentioned here. [html content snipped] From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jun 27 15:39:15 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:39:15 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: [Buug-admin] OpenLinux PowerSolutions Tour 2000 In-Reply-To: ; from feedle@feedle.net on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 10:31:46PM +0000 References: <05f983221181b60R4-OM8@r4-om8.rsvp0.net> Message-ID: <20000627153915.G29671@linuxmafia.com> begin Christopher Sullivan quotation: (Just a quibble, not objecting the main thrust of your post.) > Since the majority of text-based mail readers (including older > versions of Pine, and current versions of mutt and elm) cannot > properly lay up HTML, resulting in your message being unreadable. Actually, a properly set-up console MUA can be configured to offer viewing of HTML using lynx, w3m, or pretty much anything else, if desired. Mine is, but I generally discard HTML e-mail unread, because it's invariably junk. -- Cheers, "Linux means never having to delete your love mail." Rick Moen -- Don Marti rick (at) linuxmafia.com From feedle at feedle.net Tue Jun 27 15:45:35 2000 From: feedle at feedle.net (Christopher Sullivan) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:45:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [buug] Re: [Buug-admin] OpenLinux PowerSolutions Tour 2000 In-Reply-To: <20000627153915.G29671@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Rick Moen wrote: > begin Christopher Sullivan quotation: > > (Just a quibble, not objecting the main thrust of your post.) I like quibbiling... > > Since the majority of text-based mail readers (including older > > versions of Pine, and current versions of mutt and elm) cannot > > properly lay up HTML, resulting in your message being unreadable. > > Actually, a properly set-up console MUA can be configured to offer > viewing of HTML using lynx, w3m, or pretty much anything else, if > desired. Mine is, but I generally discard HTML e-mail unread, because > it's invariably junk. I didn't say it couldn't be done, I said "the mail reader" dosen't support it. -Fedl From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jun 27 16:02:32 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:02:32 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: [Buug-admin] OpenLinux PowerSolutions Tour 2000 In-Reply-To: ; from feedle@feedle.net on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 10:45:35PM +0000 References: <20000627153915.G29671@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20000627160232.H29671@linuxmafia.com> begin Christopher Sullivan quotation: > I like quibbling... You are the Quibble Mastah! I'm not worthy! ;-> -- Cheers, Right to keep and bear Rick Moen Haiku shall not be abridged rick (at) linuxmafia.com Or denied. So there. From feedle at feedle.net Wed Jun 28 09:24:01 2000 From: feedle at feedle.net (Christopher Sullivan) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:24:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [buug] IBM's Java Briefing Days In-Reply-To: <8525690C.00577EE2.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: IBM has passed this little tidbit along. It sounds like an interesting opportunity for those interested in learning about IBM's Java products. The event is September 19 in San Mateo. -Chris On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 llurie at us.ibm.com wrote: > Plan now to attend an IBM Java (TM) Briefing Day to learn > first-hand from industry experts about how IBM Java and e-business > products can speed development and get your application to market > faster. If you are a commercial software developer, designing or > implementing e-business solutions for your customers, you won't want > to miss this event. There is no charge for the session. In addition, each > attendee will receive complimentary copies of IBM WebSphere plus other > hot e-business software. Register now at: > http://www.developer.ibm.com/news/javabrf.html. From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jun 28 10:33:38 2000 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:33:38 -0700 Subject: [buug] IBM's Java Briefing Days In-Reply-To: ; from feedle@feedle.net on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 04:24:01PM +0000 References: <8525690C.00577EE2.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: <20000628103338.B4361@linuxmafia.com> begin Christopher Sullivan quotation: > IBM has passed this little tidbit along. It sounds like an interesting > opportunity for those interested in learning about IBM's Java > products. The event is September 19 in San Mateo. 8:30 a.m. - 4:30 p.m., by the way. http://www.developer.ibm.com/spc/events/java/sm091900.htm -- Cheers, Right to keep and bear Rick Moen Haiku shall not be abridged rick (at) linuxmafia.com Or denied. So there. From feedle at feedle.net Wed Jun 28 12:25:22 2000 From: feedle at feedle.net (Christopher Sullivan) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:25:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [buug] Weekly "newsletter"... Message-ID: Okay, I've been doing some thinking about how to handle things like "press releases" and "job annoucements" to the list, and here's what I've come up with. If nobody has a problem with this, I'll start working on making this happen by Friday. Once a week, (or less frequently as the need arises) I can assemble a 'newsletter' of sorts, and place it on my website (actually, it'll be at http://home.feedle.net/buug.. don't go there yet, it isn't there). I can take the items sent to the buug-admin list (or the buug-pr list) and assemble them into a newsletter. Eventually, I may even automate the process somewhat. Look for the first one this Friday if nobody objects. Zeke, maybe put a link to it on the next revision of the website (I'll put up a placeholder today for it). -Chris From feedle at feedle.net Fri Jun 30 13:34:51 2000 From: feedle at feedle.net (Christopher Sullivan) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:34:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [buug] As promised.. the buug newsletter. Message-ID: http://home.feedle.net/buug/ This is the first installment of the BUUG newsletter. Any comments on formatting, ideas for additional content, etc. are welcome. Yes, I will have back issues being available. I'm working on how I'm going to lay that out right now. -Chris From tomd at sacefcu.org Fri Jun 30 13:55:10 2000 From: tomd at sacefcu.org (Tom DeSot) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:55:10 -0500 Subject: [buug] Printing to Unix printer Message-ID: <0150CA5A623FD211B16400105A0463265DB204@cecupdc.sacefcu.org> I've got a question for the group that no one has been able to help me figure out. Here goes.... I've got a box running linux (specifically the one from www.freesco.org) that is acting as a print server for an HP 4+. Now I can print to it using some addtional software from pretty much any windows box, but I can't seem to print to it from my OpenBSD box. I'm printing tcp to port 515 on the PC. I've tried several printcap files and it never prints anything out. When I look at my print debug files it tells me it can't resolve the host. Funny thing though, I used another print test utility and it spit out what I had just tried to print from lpr. Am I missing something in my printcap file to force the page feed? Has anyone had this experience and found that it just won't work? I'd really appreciate any help that could be given. Thanks. Tom