From bill at wiliweld.com Mon Jan 1 21:04:55 2001 From: bill at wiliweld.com (Bill Schoolcraft) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:04:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 and SSH ? Message-ID: Hello, I've installed SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 here at home and was surprised as to all the packages that came with the 6 CD set, all the gnu tools, gimp, kde etc. But I'm having a hell of time trying to compile ssh on it, anyone have any tips ? Thanks -- Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 San Francisco, CA 94121 "UNIX, A Way of Life." From feedle at feedle.net Tue Jan 2 00:41:32 2001 From: feedle at feedle.net (Feedlebom) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 00:41:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 and SSH ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Are you installing OpenSSH, or plain-old [not technically Open Source] SSH? This is gonna sound like a dumb question, but did you compile the OpenSSL libraries first? -Fedl On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Bill Schoolcraft wrote: > Hello, I've installed SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 here at home and was > surprised as to all the packages that came with the 6 CD set, all > the gnu tools, gimp, kde etc. But I'm having a hell of time trying > to compile ssh on it, anyone have any tips ? Thanks > > -- > Bill Schoolcraft > PO Box 210076 > San Francisco, CA 94121 > > "UNIX, A Way of Life." > > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > From bill at wiliweld.com Tue Jan 2 04:52:43 2001 From: bill at wiliweld.com (Bill Schoolcraft) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 04:52:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 and SSH ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At Tue, 2 Jan 2001 it looks like Feedlebom composed: feedle->Are you installing OpenSSH, or plain-old [not technically Open Source] feedle->SSH? feedle-> feedle->This is gonna sound like a dumb question, but did you compile the feedle->OpenSSL libraries first? feedle-> feedle->-Fedl feedle-> I always keep a floppy with me that has "ssh-1.2.27.tar.gz" on it and it has always been handy for fresh installs bringing a systems up to speed and I used that. I pulled the drive out and put Solaris-8 back in and will be off to work shortly to continue this SCO adventure at work. Would you suggest trying OpenSSH ? Thanks -- Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 San Francisco, CA 94121 "UNIX, A Way of Life." From feedle at feedle.net Tue Jan 2 09:16:19 2001 From: feedle at feedle.net (Feedlebom) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:16:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 and SSH ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Bill Schoolcraft wrote: > I always keep a floppy with me that has "ssh-1.2.27.tar.gz" on it > and it has always been handy for fresh installs bringing a > systems up to speed and I used that. > > I pulled the drive out and put Solaris-8 back in and will be off to > work shortly to continue this SCO adventure at work. > > Would you suggest trying OpenSSH ? Thanks Strongly. First off, OpenSSH supports SSH version 2 protocols. Additionally, the non-free version of SSH has licensing restrictions, which you do not need to deal with on OpenSSH. Lastly, my own personal opinion is that OpenSSH has better performance tha the commercial SSH. -Fedl From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jan 2 10:14:00 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:14:00 -0800 Subject: [buug] SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 and SSH ? In-Reply-To: ; from feedle@feedle.net on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 09:16:19AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20010102101400.E28303@linuxmafia.com> begin Feedlebom quotation: > First off, OpenSSH supports SSH version 2 protocols. Additionally, the > non-free version of SSH has licensing restrictions, which you do not need > to deal with on OpenSSH. Lastly, my own personal opinion is that OpenSSH > has better performance tha the commercial SSH. Remember, if you're installing from source code, that you need not only the OpenSSH tarball, but also the OpenSSL libs and zlib, both of which you must compile and install first. Also, on many Unixes, you'll want the "Entropy-Gathering Daemon" (which isn't necessary on Linux). -- Cheers, "There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a Rick Moen little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider rick at linuxmafia.com price only are this man's lawful prey." - J. Ruskin (attr.) From bill at wiliweld.com Tue Jan 2 10:58:51 2001 From: bill at wiliweld.com (Bill Schoolcraft) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:58:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 and SSH ? In-Reply-To: <20010102101400.E28303@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: At Tue, 2 Jan 2001 it looks like Rick Moen composed: RM-->Remember, if you're installing from source code, that you need not only RM-->the OpenSSH tarball, but also the OpenSSL libs and zlib, both of which RM-->you must compile and install first. Also, on many Unixes, you'll want RM-->the "Entropy-Gathering Daemon" (which isn't necessary on Linux). RM--> Can I humbly ask what the "Entropy-Gathering Daemon" is and what it does ? -- Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 San Francisco, CA 94121 "UNIX, A Way Of Life !" From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jan 2 10:58:34 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:58:34 -0800 Subject: [buug] SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 and SSH ? In-Reply-To: ; from bill@wiliweld.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:58:51AM -0800 References: <20010102101400.E28303@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20010102105834.F28303@linuxmafia.com> begin Bill Schoolcraft quotation: > Can I humbly ask what the "Entropy-Gathering Daemon" is and what it > does ? http://www.lothar.com/tech/crypto/ Excerpt: One of the nice features of the Linux kernel is the /dev/random device. This is a little character device that gives you random numbers when you read it. In a variety of places scattered throughout the kernel, certain interrupts (network packets arriving, keyboard hits, mouse movement) cause a timestamp and some event information to be hashed into an "entropy pool". The pool, perhaps 4k in size, always contains very random data, but as bits are "stirred" in, a counter is incremented to reflect the fact that the poll is now even more random than before. When you read from /dev/random, you get a hashed portion of the pool, and the counter is decremented. This gives you high quality cryptographically strong random data. I hope I'm not getting confused and talking about GNU Privacy Guard's (GPG's) need for the EGD on non-Linux systems. It's been a busy day, and I replied to the earlier post off-the-cuff. One page about OpenSSH says: "The Entropy Gathering Daemon (EGD) is supported if you have a system which lacks /dev/random and don't want to use OpenSSH's internal entropy collection." So, very very likely, EGD's optional. You didn't actually describe what problems you were having, I noticed. (I may not be able to be much help with Solaris problems, but others might.) And, by the way, I hope you're using the GNU make utility. OpenSSH may or may not build with other versions of "make". You'll need to compile OpenSSL 0.9.5a or later (along with zlib). And, don't forget to specify that you're compiling OpenSSH with PAM support, since that is present on Solaris. -- Cheers, "There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a Rick Moen little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider rick at linuxmafia.com price only are this man's lawful prey." - J. Ruskin (attr.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jan 2 11:02:16 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:02:16 -0800 Subject: [buug] SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 and SSH ? In-Reply-To: ; from bill@wiliweld.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:58:51AM -0800 References: <20010102101400.E28303@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20010102110215.G28303@linuxmafia.com> Ja, I'm obviously a little punchdrunk: You said UnixWare, not Solaris. So, I have no idea whether that has PAM support or not. -- Cheers, "There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a Rick Moen little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider rick at linuxmafia.com price only are this man's lawful prey." - J. Ruskin (attr.) From bill at wiliweld.com Tue Jan 2 11:59:15 2001 From: bill at wiliweld.com (Bill Schoolcraft) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:59:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 and SSH ? In-Reply-To: <20010102105834.F28303@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: At Tue, 2 Jan 2001 it looks like Rick Moen composed: RM-->And, by the way, I hope you're using the GNU make utility. OpenSSH RM-->may or may not build with other versions of "make". RM--> (giggle) Actually your to blame for this (grin) ......... After talking to you at the installfest I mentioned that if HP-UX had an "Intel" port I'd be running that too at home alongside the FreeBSD, and Solaris-8, and the regular Linux suspects. You then mentioned that I could port "SCO" to Intel. Within 90 minutes I was at home and ordered the media-kit at http://www.sco.com/offers/ The OS has the same "feel behind the wheel" as Solaris-8 but I hadn't brought the system up to speed yet. I went to install it at work but the NIC (Netgear) wasn't supported so I have to bring a spare Intel-PRO from home tomorrow along with a removable drive tray. The "GNU" cd that came with it had all the gnu tools and I saw the ssh program find the gcc during the ./configure part of the dance. I should have written down the error but didn't think I'd be posting this anywhere. I already have people saying "WHY DO YOU WANT TO RUN SCO ??" and then I ask them "Have you ???" and then they say "no" then I dismiss their comment. -- Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 San Francisco, CA 94121 "UNIX, A Way Of Life !" From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jan 2 13:04:43 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:04:43 -0800 Subject: [buug] SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 and SSH ? In-Reply-To: ; from bill@wiliweld.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:59:15AM -0800 References: <20010102105834.F28303@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20010102130443.H28303@linuxmafia.com> begin Bill Schoolcraft quotation: > I already have people saying "WHY DO YOU WANT TO RUN SCO ??" and then > I ask them "Have you ???" and then they say "no" then I dismiss their > comment. Well, it _is_ the OS that inspired creation of the newsgroup alt.sex.bondage.sco-unix . Traditionally, SCO Unix (and SCO Xenix before it) has been a Unix devoid of creature-comforts and modern features, whose marketing emphasis was on "vertical solutions", i.e., turn-key hardware + software management and accounting systems for particular types of business. Therefore, it had the reputation of being really old and crufty, and downright painful to administer. Two things have recently happened to change that picture. One, they bought the old AT&T System V codebase from Novell (who had renamed it "UnixWare" when they bought it from Bell Labs). Two, they took a major equity investment from Caldera Systems. (I _think_ that Caldera essentially controls them, at this point.) Twelve years ago, Novell UnixWare was really nice, for a proprietary Unix. I ran it for a while. I have no idea how it is, now, and will be curious to hear about it. -- Cheers, "There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a Rick Moen little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider rick at linuxmafia.com price only are this man's lawful prey." - J. Ruskin (attr.) From bill at wiliweld.com Tue Jan 2 13:58:14 2001 From: bill at wiliweld.com (Bill Schoolcraft) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:58:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] SCO UnixWare 7.1.1 and SSH ? In-Reply-To: <20010102130443.H28303@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: At Tue, 2 Jan 2001 it looks like Rick Moen composed: RM-->Twelve years ago, Novell UnixWare was really nice, for a proprietary RM-->Unix. I ran it for a while. I have no idea how it is, now, and will RM-->be curious to hear about it. RM--> Well the install went fine, had to feed in a set of license numbers which are given free from SCO's website based on either the student or commercial use. The setup was easy. Partitioning was either "custom" or "defaults" and it worked fine with a 20-gig IDE drive. Networking was an easy setup with fields for IP, Netmask, Broadcast, and Gateway. I couldn't escape the NIS part of the setup, had to enter a NIS domain name but it didn't seem to bother anything. I was on the Internet with Netscape-4.61 right off without a glitch. Inserting the GNU cdrom I was expecting to see the "autoinstall" that Solaris-8 has where an interface pops up and scans the CD for packages. I instead hit the CDE menus (looked and felt like Solaris-8) and chose the Admin tool (forget the name) and chose "cdrom_1" and all the packages showed up ala RedHat graphic installer but with two graphics, the bottom field showed all "installed" packages on the hard drive and the upper field with the packages on the CD, and just clicked and installed everything from Gimp to pine to fetchmail and I think procmail plus a host of others. KDE was included too and that went in on a second attempt. Going alphabetically through the CDROM when I got to KDE I clicked "install" and had an install failure with no explained reason why, after working my way thorough the CD I came back and started from the beginnig with the packages that failed the first time and they all installed, apparently dependencies later installed. Will be running it at work tomorrow and will have more printer and dhcp reports. -- Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 San Francisco, CA 94121 "UNIX, A Way Of Life !" From bill at wiliweld.com Tue Jan 2 15:54:37 2001 From: bill at wiliweld.com (Bill Schoolcraft) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 15:54:37 -0800 Subject: [buug] [SCO] ssh compile errors from ssh-1.2.27 tar Message-ID: <3A526A3D.4E881255@wiliweld.com> Hello Family, Here was those compile errors with the SCO UnixWare-7.1.1 on Intel. I popped the tarball to do this and I get read these error codes like alot of you so I just thought I'd post this, you all have helped alot already. I just got home and promised to send this. Thanks ******************************************** bash-2.03# /usr/ccs/bin/make rm -f sshd gcc -pipe -o sshd sshd.o auth-rhosts.o auth-passwd.o auth-rsa.o auth- rh-rsa.o pty.o log-server.o login.o hostfile.o canohost.o servconf.o tildexpa nd.o serverloop.o idea.o rsa.o randoms.o md5.o buffer.o emulate.o packet.o compress.o xmalloc.o ttymodes.o newchannels.o bufaux.o authfd.o authfile.o c rc32.o rsaglue.o cipher.o des.o match.o arcfour.o mpaux.o userfile.o signals. o blowfish.o deattack.o \ -Lgmp-2.0.2-ssh-2 -lgmp -Lzlib-1.0.4 -lz -lsocket -lnsl -L/us r/local/lib Undefined first referenced symbol in file getspnam sshd.o endspent sshd.o UX:ld: ERROR: sshd: fatal error: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to sshd collect2: ld returned 1 exit status *** Error code 1 (bu21) UX:make: ERROR: fatal error. ******************************************* bash-2.03# /usr/bin/make rm -f sshd gcc -pipe -o sshd sshd.o auth-rhosts.o auth-passwd.o auth-rsa.o auth-rh-rsa.o pty.o log-server.o login.o hostfile.o canohost.o servconf.o tildexpand.o serverloop.o idea.o rsa.o randoms.o md5.o buffer.o emulate.o packet.o compress.o xmalloc.o ttymodes.o newchannels.o bufaux.o authfd.o authfile.o crc32.o rsaglue.o cipher.o des.o match.o arcfour.o mpaux.o userfile.o signals.o blowfish.o deattack.o \ -Lgmp-2.0.2-ssh-2 -lgmp -Lzlib-1.0.4 -lz -lsocket -lnsl -L/usr/local/lib Undefined first referenced symbol in file getspnam sshd.o endspent sshd.o UX:ld: ERROR: sshd: fatal error: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to sshd collect2: ld returned 1 exit status *** Error code 1 (bu21) UX:make: ERROR: fatal error. ******************************************** bash-2.03# /usr/local/bin/make rm -f sshd gcc -pipe -o sshd sshd.o auth-rhosts.o auth-passwd.o auth-rsa.o auth-rh-rsa.o pty.o log-server.o login.o hostfile.o canohost.o servconf.o tildexpand.o serverloop.o idea.o rsa.o randoms.o md5.o buffer.o emulate.o packet.o compress.o xmalloc.o ttymodes.o newchannels.o bufaux.o authfd.o authfile.o crc32.o rsaglue.o cipher.o des.o match.o arcfour.o mpaux.o userfile.o signals.o blowfish.o deattack.o \ -Lgmp-2.0.2-ssh-2 -lgmp -Lzlib-1.0.4 -lz -lsocket -lnsl -L/usr/local/lib Undefined first referenced symbol in file getspnam sshd.o endspent sshd.o UX:ld: ERROR: sshd: fatal error: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to sshd collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [sshd] Error 1 ******************************************** From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jan 2 17:12:09 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:12:09 -0800 Subject: [buug] [SCO] ssh compile errors from ssh-1.2.27 tar In-Reply-To: <3A526A3D.4E881255@wiliweld.com>; from bill@wiliweld.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 03:54:37PM -0800 References: <3A526A3D.4E881255@wiliweld.com> Message-ID: <20010102171209.J28303@linuxmafia.com> begin Bill Schoolcraft quotation: > gcc -pipe -o sshd sshd.o auth-rhosts.o auth-passwd.o auth-rsa.o auth- > rh-rsa.o pty.o log-server.o login.o hostfile.o canohost.o servconf.o > tildexpa nd.o serverloop.o idea.o rsa.o randoms.o md5.o buffer.o > emulate.o packet.o compress.o xmalloc.o ttymodes.o newchannels.o > bufaux.o authfd.o authfile.o c rc32.o rsaglue.o cipher.o des.o > match.o arcfour.o mpaux.o userfile.o signals. o blowfish.o > deattack.o -Lgmp-2.0.2-ssh-2 -lgmp -Lzlib-1.0.4 -lz -lsocket -lnsl > -L/us r/local/lib > Undefined first referenced symbol in file getspnam sshd.o > endspentsshd.o UX:ld: ERROR: sshd: fatal error: Symbol referencing > errors. No output written to sshd collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > *** Error code 1 (bu21) UX:make: ERROR: fatal error. Hmm. "getspnam" is a system function to look up an entry in shadowed password files. I don't really know what this portends: I hope you are taking into account when you do ./configure that you might need to force PAM vs. no-PAM or shadowed vs. not-shadowed. (I don't know current UnixWare configurations, and so don't know what you're working with. But, for example, if you're trying to compile for shadowed-password support, but you don't have shadowed passwords on your system, that might account for it.) If you keep on not having any luck, look for a SCO-specific newsgroup or mailing list, and ask if anyone's had the same problem. -- Cheers, "There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a Rick Moen little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider rick at linuxmafia.com price only are this man's lawful prey." - J. Ruskin (attr.) From Jason.DiCioccio at Epylon.com Tue Jan 2 17:16:37 2001 From: Jason.DiCioccio at Epylon.com (Jason DiCioccio) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:16:37 -0800 Subject: [buug] [SCO] ssh compile errors from ssh-1.2.27 tar Message-ID: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA024354@goofy.epylon.lan> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Perhaps look for a libshadow or libshad or similar.. or do strings on your common libraries looking for the appropriate library and simply add a -l there.. You obviously have shadow support since it didn't bitch about your header files, and only on linking.. Find the library you need via those methods and either copy/paste thel on gcc statement and add -l to the end, or just edit the Makefile and do it that way. Good luck, - -JD- - ------- Jason DiCioccio Evil Genius Unix BOFH mailto:jasond at epylon.com 415-593-2761 Direct & Fax 415-593-2900 Main Epylon Corporation 645 Harrison Street, Suite 200 San Francisco, CA 94107 www.epylon.com BSD is for people who love Unix - Linux is for people who hate Microsoft - -----Original Message----- From: Rick Moen [mailto:rick at linuxmafia.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:12 PM To: Unix Subject: Re: [buug] [SCO] ssh compile errors from ssh-1.2.27 tar begin Bill Schoolcraft quotation: > gcc -pipe -o sshd sshd.o auth-rhosts.o auth-passwd.o auth-rsa.o > auth- rh-rsa.o pty.o log-server.o login.o hostfile.o canohost.o > servconf.o tildexpa nd.o serverloop.o idea.o rsa.o randoms.o > md5.o buffer.o emulate.o packet.o compress.o xmalloc.o ttymodes.o > newchannels.o > bufaux.o authfd.o authfile.o c rc32.o rsaglue.o cipher.o des.o > match.o arcfour.o mpaux.o userfile.o signals. o blowfish.o > deattack.o -Lgmp-2.0.2-ssh-2 -lgmp -Lzlib-1.0.4 -lz -lsocket > -lnsl -L/us r/local/lib > Undefined first referenced symbol in file getspnam sshd.o > endspentsshd.o UX:ld: ERROR: sshd: fatal error: Symbol referencing > errors. No output written to sshd collect2: ld returned 1 exit > status *** Error code 1 (bu21) UX:make: ERROR: fatal error. Hmm. "getspnam" is a system function to look up an entry in shadowed password files. I don't really know what this portends: I hope you are taking into account when you do ./configure that you might need to force PAM vs. no-PAM or shadowed vs. not-shadowed. (I don't know current UnixWare configurations, and so don't know what you're working with. But, for example, if you're trying to compile for shadowed-password support, but you don't have shadowed passwords on your system, that might account for it.) If you keep on not having any luck, look for a SCO-specific newsgroup or mailing list, and ask if anyone's had the same problem. - -- Cheers, "There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a Rick Moen little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider rick at linuxmafia.com price only are this man's lawful prey." - J. Ruskin (attr.) _______________________________________________ Buug mailing list Buug at weak.org http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOlJ97lCmU62pemyaEQLX1QCgoObJrteNM5DM4QekwjmwjRtQRg4AmwU2 M2DrZF5RGbrECpH/SLtRO8Ff =h7gb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Jason DiCioccio.vcf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 327 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bill at wiliweld.com Tue Jan 2 17:32:35 2001 From: bill at wiliweld.com (Bill Schoolcraft) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:32:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] [SCO] ssh compile errors from ssh-1.2.27 tar In-Reply-To: <20010102171209.J28303@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: At Tue, 2 Jan 2001 it looks like Rick Moen composed: rick->> Undefined first referenced symbol in file getspnam sshd.o rick->> endspentsshd.o UX:ld: ERROR: sshd: fatal error: Symbol referencing rick->> errors. No output written to sshd collect2: ld returned 1 exit status rick->> *** Error code 1 (bu21) UX:make: ERROR: fatal error. rick-> rick->Hmm. "getspnam" is a system function to look up an entry in shadowed rick->password files. rick-> rick->I don't really know what this portends: I hope you are taking into rick->account when you do ./configure that you might need to force PAM vs. rick->no-PAM or shadowed vs. not-shadowed. (I don't know current UnixWare rick->configurations, and so don't know what you're working with. But, for rick->example, if you're trying to compile for shadowed-password support, but rick->you don't have shadowed passwords on your system, that might account for rick->it.) rick-> rick->If you keep on not having any luck, look for a SCO-specific newsgroup rick->or mailing list, and ask if anyone's had the same problem. rick-> Well, sometimes I ask myself why I keep pounding on these Unix distro's but I guess I'd rather go through the "fire drill" here at home than face this at a customers site and have no experience. I'll keep you posted on the scratches and bruises as this fight continues.......... :) -- Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 San Francisco, CA 94121 "UNIX, A Way of Life." From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jan 2 17:44:45 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:44:45 -0800 Subject: [buug] [SCO] ssh compile errors from ssh-1.2.27 tar In-Reply-To: ; from bill@wiliweld.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:32:35PM -0800 References: <20010102171209.J28303@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20010102174445.K28303@linuxmafia.com> begin Bill Schoolcraft quotation: > Well, sometimes I ask myself why I keep pounding on these Unix > distro's but I guess I'd rather go through the "fire drill" here at > home than face this at a customers site and have no experience. Hey, do what Jason said. He actually bothered to parse the error output. -- Cheers, "There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a Rick Moen little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider rick at linuxmafia.com price only are this man's lawful prey." - J. Ruskin (attr.) From bill at wiliweld.com Tue Jan 2 18:23:31 2001 From: bill at wiliweld.com (Bill Schoolcraft) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:23:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] [SCO] ssh compile errors from ssh-1.2.27 tar In-Reply-To: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA024354@goofy.epylon.lan> Message-ID: At Tue, 2 Jan 2001 it looks like Jason DiCioccio composed: Jason.->Perhaps look for a libshadow or libshad or similar.. or do strings on Jason.->your common libraries looking for the appropriate library and simply Jason.->add a -l there.. You obviously have shadow support since Jason.->it didn't bitch about your header files, and only on linking.. Find Jason.->the library you need via those methods and either copy/paste thel on Jason.->gcc statement and add -l to the end, or just edit the Jason.->Makefile and do it that way. Jason.-> Jason.->Good luck, Jason.->- -JD- Jason.-> Thanks Jason and Rick, I seem to have my work cut out for me and really appreciate your help and suggestions. -- Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 San Francisco, CA 94121 "UNIX, A Way of Life." From feedle at feedle.net Thu Jan 4 19:03:17 2001 From: feedle at feedle.net (Feedlebom) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:03:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] Where is everybody? Message-ID: :) From johndela1 at jps.net Sat Jan 20 14:31:57 2001 From: johndela1 at jps.net (John d) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:31:57 -0800 Subject: [buug] clean install wanted Message-ID: <001b01c08330$ccf5bee0$020c10ac@mustang> I am trying to give slackware the benefit of the doubt... I have switched to slack ware from redhat today. I did this because I have read that slackware is very simple and configurable and it doesn't do alot for you, rather it lets you do what you want. first thing i type ls at the prompt and get a color listing... Then I type alias and see that the install decided for me that I want some aliass set up. Hum... I know this is not a big deal, but I was expecting a plain system. I basically installed only the essential stuff to run in a text mode. I looked for this alias setting first in my .profile and .bash* in my home dir...not there...then in in the /etc/profile...(the /etc/profile.d is empty) man...where is it setting my aliass? I just want a bare bones *minimal* system...nothing that doesn't need to be set or be there! any suggestions? From dgjs at acm.org Sat Jan 20 17:01:01 2001 From: dgjs at acm.org (David S.) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:01:01 -0800 Subject: [buug] clean install wanted In-Reply-To: <001b01c08330$ccf5bee0$020c10ac@mustang>; from johndela1@jps.net on Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 02:31:57PM -0800 References: <001b01c08330$ccf5bee0$020c10ac@mustang> Message-ID: <20010120170101.C12906@c1204567-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com> > > man...where is it setting my aliass? The line eval `dircolors -b` in '/etc/profile' does it. > > I just want a bare bones *minimal* system...nothing that doesn't need to be > set or be there! > > any suggestions? For a "minimal" system, try OpenBSD or NetBSD. David S. dgjs at acm.org From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Jan 20 21:10:47 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:10:47 -0800 Subject: [buug] clean install wanted In-Reply-To: <001b01c08330$ccf5bee0$020c10ac@mustang>; from johndela1@jps.net on Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 02:31:57PM -0800 References: <001b01c08330$ccf5bee0$020c10ac@mustang> Message-ID: <20010120211046.H17963@linuxmafia.com> begin John d quotation: > I have switched to slack ware from redhat today. I did this because I have > read that slackware is very simple and configurable and it doesn't do alot > for you, rather it lets you do what you want. David S. is correct that NetBSD or OpenBSD would be another way to do that -- and I would strongly recommend running one of the BSDs at one point if you really want to know Unix well. But also: > I just want a bare bones *minimal* system...nothing that doesn't need > to be set or be there! You could install the Debian Base System, and stop there, exiting the install at that point. Total space taken up would be around 15 MB. At that point, you could augment the system either using the built-in apt-get utility, or by compiling from tarballs into /usr/local. Please see: http://linuxmafia.com/debian/tips -- Cheers, "Besides, Debian runs Web sites, Red Hat runs Rick Moen Quake, and Windows runs Half-Life." rick at linuxmafia.com -- Bryce Kerley (on Slashdot) From andyt at mypoints.com Sat Jan 20 16:44:06 2001 From: andyt at mypoints.com (Andy Tsouladze) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 18:44:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: [buug] clean install wanted In-Reply-To: <001b01c08330$ccf5bee0$020c10ac@mustang> Message-ID: /bin/dircolors is used to define variables LS_OPTIONS and LS_COLORS. They are set in /etc/profile and /etc/csh.login. Hope this helps, Andy Dr Andy Tsouladze Sr Unix SysAdmin MyPoints.com On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, John d wrote: > I am trying to give slackware the benefit of the doubt... > > > I have switched to slack ware from redhat today. I did this because I have > read that slackware is very simple and configurable and it doesn't do alot > for you, rather it lets you do what you want. > > first thing i type ls at the prompt and get a color listing... > > Then I type alias and see that the install decided for me that I want some > aliass set up. Hum... > > I know this is not a big deal, but I was expecting a plain system. I > basically installed only the essential stuff to run in a text mode. > > I looked for this alias setting first in my .profile and .bash* in my home > dir...not there...then in in the /etc/profile...(the /etc/profile.d is > empty) > > man...where is it setting my aliass? > > I just want a bare bones *minimal* system...nothing that doesn't need to be > set or be there! > > any suggestions? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > From lorenzo at weak.org Mon Jan 22 05:11:17 2001 From: lorenzo at weak.org (lorenzo at weak.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 05:11:17 -0800 Subject: [buug] clean install wanted In-Reply-To: <001b01c08330$ccf5bee0$020c10ac@mustang>; from johndela1@jps.net on Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 02:31:57PM -0800 References: <001b01c08330$ccf5bee0$020c10ac@mustang> Message-ID: <20010122051117.C89116@synergy.transbay.net> have you tried any bsd? especially OpenBSD looks pretty 'clean', and IMO it's perhaps the most 'pure' unix I know. lorenzo From Jason.DiCioccio at Epylon.com Mon Jan 22 12:50:40 2001 From: Jason.DiCioccio at Epylon.com (Jason DiCioccio) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:50:40 -0800 Subject: [buug] clean install wanted Message-ID: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA0243A4@goofy.epylon.lan> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 FreeBSD has also trimmed down its default daemons massively (ssh only as it stands).. OpenBSD is indeed very minimalistic but it is a bit on the slow side for a couple reasons. One being the encryption it utilizes for everything.. And two being that they support so many platforms with not very many developers that it's hard to optimize one in particular. I personally use OpenBSD and FreeBSD (have not used NetBSD in about 4 years, so I can't comment on it).. I guess it depends what you're looking for.. You can get pretty minimalistic with FreeBSD (it is by default) but still have a wider variety of things that you COULD install if you wanted to (via ports) and most likely a faster system overall.. But if you're just looking for a bare bones nothing fancy installation such as a firewall etc, they'd both do a good job, but i'd probably recommend OpenBSD. It seems that firewalls are its most popular application after all :).. - ------- Jason DiCioccio Evil Genius Unix BOFH mailto:jasond at epylon.com 415-593-2761 Direct & Fax 415-593-2900 Main Epylon Corporation 645 Harrison Street, Suite 200 San Francisco, CA 94107 www.epylon.com BSD is for people who love Unix - Linux is for people who hate Microsoft - -----Original Message----- From: David S. [mailto:dgjs at acm.org] Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 5:01 PM To: John d Cc: buug at weak.org Subject: Re: [buug] clean install wanted > > man...where is it setting my aliass? The line eval `dircolors -b` in '/etc/profile' does it. > > I just want a bare bones *minimal* system...nothing that doesn't > need to be set or be there! > > any suggestions? For a "minimal" system, try OpenBSD or NetBSD. David S. dgjs at acm.org _______________________________________________ Buug mailing list Buug at weak.org http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOmydilCmU62pemyaEQImlACeINfjgrIAccaroniOyIkP80ZHOqAAoOME qXVMIgGkf2lme5bLYpC1bApJ =Z4Uo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Jason DiCioccio.vcf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 327 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dgs at uclink.berkeley.edu Mon Jan 22 14:42:34 2001 From: dgs at uclink.berkeley.edu (David S.) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:42:34 -0800 Subject: [buug] clean install wanted In-Reply-To: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA0243A4@goofy.epylon.lan>; from Jason.DiCioccio@Epylon.com on Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 12:50:40PM -0800 References: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA0243A4@goofy.epylon.lan> Message-ID: <20010122144234.B3025@morg-17-1.Nutr.Berkeley.EDU> > I guess it depends what you're looking for.. .. de gustibus non est disputandum. My understanding of "minimal" here is probably more aesthetic than technical. In the free UNIX world, I went from Red Hat Linux -> Debian -> Slackware -> FreeBSD -> OpenBSD. The main Linux distributions - Red Hat, Suse, Mandrake, Debian, and so on - are too baroque for my taste. Slackware, in my humble opinion, is preferable to any of them, and OpenBSD is better yet. > > > - ------- > Jason DiCioccio > Evil Genius > Unix BOFH David S. dgjs at acm.org From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jan 23 00:02:42 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:02:42 -0800 Subject: [buug] clean install wanted In-Reply-To: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA0243A4@goofy.epylon.lan>; from Jason.DiCioccio@Epylon.com on Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 12:50:40PM -0800 References: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA0243A4@goofy.epylon.lan> Message-ID: <20010123000242.B398@linuxmafia.com> begin Jason DiCioccio quotation: > OpenBSD is indeed very minimalistic but it is a bit on the slow side > for a couple reasons. A _bit_, but not badly. I had it as a filtering router and a number of other roles for a while, and didn't feel much lossage. FreeBSD is of course much faster. I'll try to have suitable versions of both on hand for this weekend's combined CABAL/BALUG InstallFest and BAFUG/BABUG Install-a-thon. > BSD is for people who love Unix - > Linux is for people who hate Microsoft I kinda barely remember a Microsoft. Didn't they use to make mice and keyboards? But of course you're just trying to be gratuitously obnoxious, right? -- Cheers, "Reality is not optional." Rick Moen -- Thomas Sowell rick at linuxmafia.com From Jason.DiCioccio at Epylon.com Tue Jan 23 12:15:50 2001 From: Jason.DiCioccio at Epylon.com (Jason DiCioccio) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:15:50 -0800 Subject: [buug] clean install wanted Message-ID: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA0243AA@goofy.epylon.lan> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aye, that's why I said a bit :).. Like I said though, it depends what you want to use it for. OpenBSD right now has the most completely IPSec implementation out of any other OS that I know of including commercial ones, so it of course makes a very good ipsec gateway (and I use it for that quite a bit). It also makes a very good firewall in my experience. However, I sort of meant that if he wanted a box at home that had a basic install, but still had speed and the flexibility of having a lot more ports to choose from should he so choose to install them. Then FreeBSD might be a more logical choice. I was weighing the options :).. As for my signature, that's just what i've seen in my experience, but not set in stone because it's my signature. Take it lightly. Cheers, - -JD- - -----Original Message----- From: Rick Moen [mailto:rick at linuxmafia.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 12:03 AM To: buug at weak.org Subject: Re: [buug] clean install wanted begin Jason DiCioccio quotation: > OpenBSD is indeed very minimalistic but it is a bit on the slow > side for a couple reasons. A _bit_, but not badly. I had it as a filtering router and a number of other roles for a while, and didn't feel much lossage. FreeBSD is of course much faster. I'll try to have suitable versions of both on hand for this weekend's combined CABAL/BALUG InstallFest and BAFUG/BABUG Install-a-thon. > BSD is for people who love Unix - > Linux is for people who hate Microsoft I kinda barely remember a Microsoft. Didn't they use to make mice and keyboards? But of course you're just trying to be gratuitously obnoxious, right? - -- Cheers, "Reality is not optional." 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Name: Jason DiCioccio.vcf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 327 bytes Desc: not available URL: From feedle at feedle.net Tue Jan 23 14:07:26 2001 From: feedle at feedle.net (Feedlebom) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:07:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] clean install wanted In-Reply-To: <20010122144234.B3025@morg-17-1.Nutr.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, David S. wrote: > My understanding of "minimal" here is probably more aesthetic than > technical. In the free UNIX world, I went from Red Hat Linux -> Debian > -> Slackware -> FreeBSD -> OpenBSD. The main Linux distributions - > Red Hat, Suse, Mandrake, Debian, and so on - are too baroque for my > taste. Slackware, in my humble opinion, is preferable to any of them, > and OpenBSD is better yet. Baroque? What do you mean by baroque, exactly? Debian can be installed in a purely minimalist fashion. In fact, I personally have built <100MB machines using Debian as a base, and then manually installing whatever packages I need to make the box work. Booting with the boot, root, and mini-base sets, one can construct a good little basic box, without a lot of fluff. You could even forgo using dselect, if desired, and save even more space. As to the generic Linux vs. xBSD argument: both have their merits. I come from the SVR4 world, so lack of init gives me a rash. Sue me. My first UNIX machine was an AT&T 7300. -Fedl From zk_lists at yahoo.com Sat Jan 27 12:33:44 2001 From: zk_lists at yahoo.com (Zeke Krahlin) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:33:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] "Boundary Violations" by Hakim Bey Message-ID: <20010127203344.8714.qmail@web5502.mail.yahoo.com> I was struck by an essay "Boundary Violations" (author: Hakim Bey): how he tied together cyberspace, capitalism, homosexuality, and the homeless issue. As longterm BUUG members know, I am keenly interested in the cultural phenomenon of hackers and how the Internet reflects society's mores...and that I am also a gay activist and homeless advocate. Allow me to quote the middle chunk of Bey's essay: Boundary Violations, by Hakim Bey http://www.hermetic.com/bey/boundary.html ---begin quote: The metaphor of AIDS has been a godsend to crypto-ideologues like the APA, who can make use of its semantic effluvia in terms like "boundary violation" to hint obliquely at the underlying agenda of their therapeutic control paradigm -- i.e., to erase the concept "childhood desire" and replace it with the concept "abuse". If all sex is dirty and causes death, then everyone must be "protected". The unconscious -- banished safely to the realms of advertising and disinformation, or so we fondly imagined -- has come back to haunt us with Godzilla-like vengeance -- raped by aliens and satanists! Of course the APA doesn't believe in UFO's -- but it does believe, quite clearly, that pleasure is evil. Some extremists in the "Deep" Ecology movements joined certain Xtian bigots in hailing AIDS as God's plan (for overpopulation, not immorality), and went on to suggest building a wall between the US and Mexico to keep out the teeming billions of the angry South. Cut down to a few million healthy hetero's America could restore its "wilderness" -- which the Deep Ecolo's seem to envision as something like the Ayatollah Khomeini's idea of heaven: -- clean, pure, aryan . . . well, maybe more like the SS's idea of heaven. Ethnic cleansing is yet another panic reaction to the sensation of "boundary violation". Abusers are, above all, aliens -- even though (as the APA palpitatingly insinuates) they might look like . . . . you and me! The other is the locus of all forbidden desire which we ourselves must deny and hence project onto the unknown. But of course, that's Freudianism -- or even Reichianism! We have no desires. We are the victims of abuse. Q.E.D. The new catchphrase "multiculturalism" simply hides a form of ethnic cultural cleansing under a semantic mask of liberal pluralism. Multiculturalism is a means of separating one culture from another, for avoiding all possibility of cross-cultural synergy or mutuality or communicativeness. At best multiculturalism provides the Consensus with an excuse to commit a bit of cultural pillaging -- "appropriation" -- to add some sanitized version of otherness to its own dreary uniform boredom -- through tourism , or vapid academic curricula based on "respect and dignity". But the underlying deep structure of multiculturalism is fear of penetration, of infection, of mutation, of inextricable involvement with otherness -- of becoming the other. Again, there's a cure for tourism -- but it doesn't involve everyone staying home and watching TV. It necessitates a simultaneous attack on uniformity, and a breaking down of borders -- it demands both a genuine pluralism and a genuine comradery or solidarity -- it deman ds conviviality. Knowledge itself can be seen as a kind of virus. On the psychological level this perception manifested recently as a panic about "computer viruses", and more generally about computer hacking -- boundary violations in cyberspace, so to speak. The governm ent wants access to all computer cypher-codes in order to control the "Net", the InterNet, which might otherwise spread everywhere, transmitting secrets, even secrets about "abuse" and kiddy porn -- as if the Net were a disease, rather than simply a free exchange of information. America's immune system can't take "too much knowing" (or whatever T.S. Eliot's lame-ass phrase was); America must be "protected" from penetration by foreign chaos cabals of evil hackers (who might look just like you and me) -- borders must be imposed. Cyberspace itself however involves a curious form of disembodiment in which each participant becomes a perceptual monad, a concept rather than a physical presence. Cyberspace parodies the gnostic demand for transcendence of the body, which is literally " left behind" like a prison of meat as one enters the pleroma of conceptual space. Ultimately one wishes to "download the consciousness" and achieve purity, cleanliness, immortality. Cyberspace proposes that life is not "in" the body, but in the Spirit. And the spirit is . . . inviolate. A preview of this paradise can be attained through phone-sex. Video-phones were never "invented" because too many people hate their own faces (i.e., bodies) and don't want others to see them (too much boundary violation). So, until cybersex is perfected , the uv-cyberspace of telephone-land -- a soundscape of bodiless voices -- must be invested with all the sexuality we cannot share with other bodies, or with "real-time" persons with real personalities and desires. The deep purpose of phone-sex is proba bly not really the client's masturbation or his credit card number, but the actual ectoplasmic meeting of two ghosts in the "other" world of sheer nothingness -- a poor parodic rendering of the phone company's slogan, "Reach out and touch someone!" -- which is so sadly so finally what we cannot do in cyberspace. Of course the phone company, and everyone else, knows very well that you cannot reach out and touch someone over a phone. What the slogan really says is: -- Don't reach out and touch someone -- that's a boundary violation! -- pay us instead to mediate between you and the very sense of touch itself. The phone will save you from being touched. Why then use the slogan, "Reach out and touch"? Ah, there's the secret of desire, Benjamin's "Utopian trace" still embedded in the commodity. We want to reach out and touch, but we also fear the invasion of sensation it would entail; by using the phone we scratch an itch that we secretly know will never heal. We'll never be "satisfied" by all this spookiness -- but at least we shall be . . . . distracted. Protectionism becomes the one true philosophy of any culture based on mass anxiety about border violation; "safely" and "survival" become its shibboleths and highest values. The "security state" emerges like an abstract constellation figured against a ra ndom patterning of stars -- each star representing a threatened job, "dysfunctional" family, "crime-ridden" neighborhood, black hole of boredom . . . . Power in the security state emerges out of fear, and depends on fear for its rule. In the society of S afety, all jobs are threatened, all families are dysfunctional, crime is universal, and boredom is god. You may read the signs of this power not only in the texts of the media which define it, but even more clearly in the very landscape which "embodies" it. The PoMo architecture of paranoid urbanism complements the already-picturesque decay of the Modern, the haunted emptiness of industrial ruins and abandoned farms. The aesthetic history of Capitalism maps out a process of retreat, a withdrawal into t he psychic fortress, the "drug-free-zone", the Mall, the planned community, the electronic highway. We design for a life without immunity, believing that only Capital can save us from infection. As we watch "History" unfold for us in the media, includin g the media of cultural and political representation, we become voluntary trance-victims of "terrorism" (the secret inner structure of "protectionism"); -- in consequence, our political acts (such as architecture) can express no higher vision than fear. The design of private space is based on the easiest antidote to fear, which is boredom. Ideally, Capital would like to discorporate entirely and retreat into the cyberspace of electronic wealth (and electronics as wealth) -- of pure speed, pure representation. The infinite "growth" which is Capital's concept of immortality will indeed excee d all limits once economics becomes a matter of digitalized data, or spiritualized knowledge, or "gnosis". Not long ago, the glaciers of Capital covered the whole landscape -- now the "ice" (William Gibson's SciFi slang for "data") is withdrawing from ph ysical space and retreating toward the pole, the mathematical point of abstraction, where a new and spiritualized topology of pure informational space will open up for us, like that "heaven of glass" with which the Gnostic Demiurge attempted to con the Angels of the Lord. And we shall be saved -- safe at last -- beyond all corruption -- gone beyond. Of course, as you know, very few will actually be taken up in this Rapture. Actually, you've probably already been disqualified. As Capital withdraws (like an army fleeing from phantoms, or phantoms fleeing an army), a great deal of social triage will h ave to be practised. As the No Go Zones are created and the wounded are left behind, entire new populations of outsiders will be created. Too bad you'll have to miss that last helicopter out of town. "Homelessness" constitutes such a Zone, a kind of anti-architecture, a shell from which all services and utilities have been withdrawn, leaving only a television blaring in a bare and empty room, broadcasting cop-shows and messages of multiculturalism an d dignity. That is, the spectacle of Power remains, while the "advantages" of control have been disappeared. Any overt symptoms of autonomy amongst the "victims" can be crushed by the last interface between Power and nothingness: -- Robocop, M. de Land a's "artificial intelligence" or war-automaton, the violence of a society turned against itself. As the map is infolded, certain privileged zones vanish into the "higher" topology of virtual reality, while certain other spaces are sacrificed to the world of decay, P. K. Dick's Ubik, the universal greyness of social and biological melt-down. In such a scenario how can we play any role other than victim? We've already lost, because we've defined ourselves in relation to a situation of loss, and to a space of disappearance. In our fear of all boundary invasions we discover that we ourselves have been reclassified and categorized as viral. This time the Abuser/Terrorist doesn't just look like you and me -- it is you and me. The "homeless are criminal"; those who are not "taken up" have clearly "sinned". ---end of quote If you read the entire essay, you'll find that Bey not only criticizes, but offers up a sane solution to the dilemma of social tyranny and conformism...which agrees with my own liberal and semi-anarchic ideas. P.S.: Happy First Anniversary, BUUG! January 13, 2000 was the date of our first gathering. Thanks immensely to early members such as Jon McClintock, Feedle, Rick Moen, etc. for an excellent beginning (and continued participation). ===== Lavender-Velvet Revolution: http://surf.to/gaybible __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From johndela1 at jps.net Sun Jan 28 11:56:00 2001 From: johndela1 at jps.net (John d) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:56:00 -0800 Subject: [buug] tar bug in solaris Message-ID: <003801c08964$578d8040$020c10ac@mustang> I've read about a bug in solaris tar... Is that a thing of the past? I'm assuming it is fixed in current releases of solaris. Does any one know what I'm talking about?