From jammer at weak.org Tue Apr 2 07:59:48 2002 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:59:48 -0800 Subject: [buug] [Kristin_Gallo@idg.com: [Buug-admin] FREE Pass to LinuxWorld Conference & Expo] Message-ID: <20020402075948.A12418@weak.org> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Kristin_Gallo at idg.com Subject: [Buug-admin] FREE Pass to LinuxWorld Conference & Expo Date: no date Size: 1599 URL: From unixjavabob at yahoo.com Tue Apr 2 19:07:13 2002 From: unixjavabob at yahoo.com (Bob Read) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:07:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] Bob from last meeting joining list Message-ID: <20020403030713.14586.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Hello BUUG, I am Bob from the last meeting..I'll see you on Thursday. I just joined the list! Yeee-haaaw! Several of you were unemployed at the last meeting...I was too, but I just got a job. I actually turned down a position today in San Ramon...goto ipix.com and view it if you're unemployed...it closes on Friday. Later, Bob ===== ----------------------------------------- Bob Read Senior Unix Administrator/DBA/Programmer cell (510)-703-1634 unixjavabob at yahoo.com ----------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From swive at getnet.com Wed Apr 3 14:55:44 2002 From: swive at getnet.com (Eric) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:55:44 -0800 Subject: [buug] cvsup problems Message-ID: Hi, This is my first attempt at cvsup. It went ok for a while. I followed the instructions at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=818&page=2 --pretty straight-forward. Here's the error message I get when I reboot into single-user mode, do fsck -p, mount -u /, and mount -a, and then make installworld: mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist - / mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist - /var mtree: line 63: unknown usr smmsp ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/etc. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. # ....... It does this for about 10 seconds after entering "make installworld". What the heck do I do now? Thx Eric From jan at caustic.org Wed Apr 3 14:12:28 2002 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:12:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] cvsup problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020403140134.O96787-100000@pogo.caustic.org> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Eric wrote: > What the heck do I do now? first, you take a look at the file /usr/src/UPDATING. since this seems like FreeBSD, you should probably go through the FreeBSD mailing lists at http://doc.freebsd.org/, or use the search engine at http://www.freebsd.org/search/. FreeBSD maintains a few good volume, but very helpful and informative mailing lists specifically to answer and help users. i highly recommend checking out freebsd-questions, and subscribing to it. do yourself a favour, and have some kind of mail filter first, since it does get around 300+ messages a day. as for the rest of your problems, i'd also suggest going through the handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/). "smmsp" is a new user, introduced with sendmail 8.12.x, along with "mailnull". if you're not using sendmail, you can set "NO_SENDMAIL=true" in /etc/make.conf. this will prevent sendmail from being built and installed on the next buildworld/installworld combination. for more details on make.conf, read the man page on it, and go through /etc/defaults/make.conf. if you just want to add the two new users to your passwd file, here's how they're set on my machines: smmsp:*:25:25:Sendmail Submission User:/var/spool/clientmqueue:/sbin/nologin mailnull:*:26:26:Sendmail Default User:/var/spool/mqueue:/sbin/nologin any bad wrapping is my fault. hope this gives you a starting point. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan at caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche From sobolak at myrealbox.com Wed Apr 3 15:18:15 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:18:15 -0700 Subject: [buug] cvsup problems Message-ID: <1017875895.8061bff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> (line wrapping problems due to crappy webmail program) I don't know which instructions you were using to rebuild your kernel, but I've had the most luck with following the ones in /usr/src/UPDATING. It sounds different than the one you mention b/c I don't think I make installworld in single user. Keep in mind that sometimes things break due to code that's checked in and actually doesn't work. That's the other reason for reading /usr/src/UPDATING - if something is foobar'ed, it'll be there. The mailing list archives will probably have a message if there is a problem. Check the list archives for stable at freebsd.org or hackers at freebsd.org. If none of these suggestions is any help, post a message to questions at freebsd.org. Someone will probably help you. HTH, brian -----Original Message----- From: "Eric" To: "Berkeley BSD" Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:55:44 -0800 Subject: [buug] cvsup problems Hi, This is my first attempt at cvsup. It went ok for a while. I followed the instructions at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=818&page=2 --pretty straight-forward. Here's the error message I get when I reboot into single-user mode, do fsck -p, mount -u /, and mount -a, and then make installworld: mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist - / mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist - /var mtree: line 63: unknown usr smmsp ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/etc. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. # ....... It does this for about 10 seconds after entering "make installworld". What the heck do I do now? Thx Eric _______________________________________________ Buug mailing list Buug at weak.org http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From feedle at feedle.com Wed Apr 3 12:34:52 2002 From: feedle at feedle.com (C. Sullivan) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:34:52 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: [Buug-admin] FREE Pass to LinuxWorld Conference & Expo In-Reply-To: <88256B8F.00556313.03@globalsmtp.idg.com> References: <88256B8F.00556313.03@globalsmtp.idg.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday 02 April 2002 08:39, you wrote: > Dear Linux User Group Member, > > As a Linux User Group Member, we recognize your loyalty, commitment and > dedication to the Linux community and LinuxWorld Conference & Expo. Your > membership entitles you to a FREE EXHIBITS PASS if you register by May 1st, > 2002. After that date, you will receive a 50% discount off of the Exhibit > Hall admittance. Take advantage of this exclusive FREE offer and register > today! > > SPECIAL PRIORITY CODE: LUGS > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/reg First off, thanks for bringing this to our attention. I've posted this to the main mailing list so our membership can take advantage of this. However, there's a slight problem. For whatever reason, your registration process does not support what has, by in large, become the defacto browser on many Linux platforms: Konqureror. In fact, if you go to the registration screen using the Konqueror browser, you are greeted with a message that indicates that the reason Konqueror isn't supported is because of a JavaScript bug in the browser. While I won't debate whether or not there is such a bug, this seems at best to be unprofessional and needlessly exclusive of those who might not want to run mozilla (because they don't agree to Netscape's Public License) or opera. Maybe if your webmaster spent a few minutes submitting a bug report to the Konqueror developers instead of figuring out how to thwart users of Konqeror from registering, the "bug" he sees in their JavaScript engine might be corrected. After all, that's what Open Source is supposed to be about, anyway. Thank you for bringing this opportunity to attend LinuxWorld to our attention. -Chris Sullivan From jdicioccio at epylon.com Wed Apr 3 15:22:50 2002 From: jdicioccio at epylon.com (DiCioccio, Jason) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:22:50 -0800 Subject: [buug] cvsup problems Message-ID: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA02FFF4F4@goofy.epylon.lan> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 run mergemaster and merge your passwd/group files as well as all other files in /etc appropriately. Cheers, - -JD- - -----Original Message----- From: Brian Sobolak [mailto:sobolak at myrealbox.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:18 PM To: swive at getnet.com Cc: buug at weak.org Subject: Re: [buug] cvsup problems (line wrapping problems due to crappy webmail program) I don't know which instructions you were using to rebuild your kernel, but I've had the most luck with following the ones in /usr/src/UPDATING. It sounds different than the one you mention b/c I don't think I make installworld in single user. Keep in mind that sometimes things break due to code that's checked in and actually doesn't work. That's the other reason for reading /usr/src/UPDATING - if something is foobar'ed, it'll be there. The mailing list archives will probably have a message if there is a problem. Check the list archives for stable at freebsd.org or hackers at freebsd.org. If none of these suggestions is any help, post a message to questions at freebsd.org. Someone will probably help you. HTH, brian - -----Original Message----- From: "Eric" To: "Berkeley BSD" Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:55:44 -0800 Subject: [buug] cvsup problems Hi, This is my first attempt at cvsup. It went ok for a while. I followed the instructions at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=818&page=2 --pretty straight-forward. Here's the error message I get when I reboot into single-user mode, do fsck -p, mount -u /, and mount -a, and then make installworld: mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist - / mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist - /var mtree: line 63: unknown usr smmsp ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/etc. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. # ....... It does this for about 10 seconds after entering "make installworld". What the heck do I do now? Thx Eric _______________________________________________ Buug mailing list Buug at weak.org http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug _______________________________________________ Buug mailing list Buug at weak.org http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPKuQ6b8+wXo6G32BEQLcHACg+havLtX7ipCkxItXkKfwVcIPZ+kAoJFq PqbZn7PjfVCoVncDQN0ebswY =RcPO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rooot at asu.edu Wed Apr 3 14:53:08 2002 From: rooot at asu.edu (Eric) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:53:08 -0800 Subject: [buug] cvsup problems Message-ID: Hi, This is my first attempt at cvsup. It went ok for a while. I followed the instructions at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=818&page=2 --pretty straight-forward. Here's the error message I get when I reboot into single-user mode, do fsck -p, mount -u /, and mount -a, and then make installworld: mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist - / mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist - /var mtree: line 63: unknown usr smmsp ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/etc. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. # ....... It does this for about 10 seconds after entering "make installworld". What the heck do I do now? Thx Eric From swive at getnet.com Wed Apr 3 17:18:38 2002 From: swive at getnet.com (Eric) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:18:38 -0800 Subject: [buug] cvsup problems In-Reply-To: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA02FFF4F4@goofy.epylon.lan> Message-ID: > run mergemaster and merge your passwd/group files as well as all > other files > in /etc appropriately. mergemaster gives me the same error. ? at the advice of another user, i edited my make.conf file to ignore sendmail. i'm compiling right now; we'll see what happens. > > Cheers, > - -JD- > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Sobolak [mailto:sobolak at myrealbox.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:18 PM > To: swive at getnet.com > Cc: buug at weak.org > Subject: Re: [buug] cvsup problems > > > > (line wrapping problems due to crappy webmail program) > > I don't know which instructions you were using to rebuild your kernel, but > I've had the most luck with following the ones in /usr/src/UPDATING. It > sounds different than the one you mention b/c I don't think I make > installworld in single user. > > Keep in mind that sometimes things break due to code that's checked in and > actually doesn't work. That's the other reason for reading > /usr/src/UPDATING - if something is foobar'ed, it'll be there. > > The mailing list archives will probably have a message if there is a > problem. Check the list archives for stable at freebsd.org or > hackers at freebsd.org. > > If none of these suggestions is any help, post a message to > questions at freebsd.org. Someone will probably help you. > > HTH, > > brian > > - -----Original Message----- > From: "Eric" > To: "Berkeley BSD" > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:55:44 -0800 > Subject: [buug] cvsup problems > > > Hi, > > This is my first attempt at cvsup. It went ok for a while. I > followed the instructions at > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=818&page=2 --pretty > straight-forward. Here's the error message I get when I reboot > into single-user mode, do fsck -p, mount -u /, and mount -a, and > then make installworld: > > mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist - / > mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist - /var > mtree: line 63: unknown usr smmsp > ***Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/etc. > ***Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > ***Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > ***Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > ***Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > # > > ....... > > It does this for about 10 seconds after entering "make installworld". > > What the heck do I do now? > > Thx > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 7.0.4 > > iQA/AwUBPKuQ6b8+wXo6G32BEQLcHACg+havLtX7ipCkxItXkKfwVcIPZ+kAoJFq > PqbZn7PjfVCoVncDQN0ebswY > =RcPO > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From itz at speakeasy.org Wed Apr 3 21:04:49 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 03 Apr 2002 21:04:49 -0800 Subject: [buug] Re: [Buug-admin] FREE Pass to LinuxWorld Conference & Expo In-Reply-To: References: <88256B8F.00556313.03@globalsmtp.idg.com> Message-ID: <863cycqcjy.fsf@speakeasy.org> Chris> whether or not there is such a bug, this seems at best to be Chris> unprofessional and needlessly exclusive of those who might not Chris> want to run mozilla (because they don't agree to Netscape's Chris> Public License) or opera. For what it's worth, I have a much greater problem with the QPL (which covers the Qt toolkit on which Konqureror is based, and maybe Konqureror itself) than with [NM]PL. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 The world has taken on a thickness of vulgarity that raises a spiritual man's contempt to the violence of a passion. Baudelaire From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Apr 4 07:33:42 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:33:42 -0800 Subject: [buug] Re: [Buug-admin] FREE Pass to LinuxWorld Conference & Expo In-Reply-To: <863cycqcjy.fsf@speakeasy.org> References: <88256B8F.00556313.03@globalsmtp.idg.com> <863cycqcjy.fsf@speakeasy.org> Message-ID: <20020404153342.GI12304@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Ian Zimmerman (itz at speakeasy.org): > For what it's worth, I have a much greater problem with the QPL (which > covers the Qt toolkit on which Konqureror is based, and maybe > Konqureror itself) than with [NM]PL. These days, Qt may be accepted under your choice of several licences, including GPL v. 2. From jammer at weak.org Thu Apr 4 07:56:53 2002 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:56:53 -0800 Subject: [buug] I won't be at the meeting tonight... Message-ID: <20020404075653.A27974@weak.org> Just so y'all don't freak out and think I was eaten by rabid cows or something, I've got an engagement in the city to go to, so I won't be at tonight's BUUG meeting. I'll leave it in someone else's hands to either fabricate a suitably uniformative placard, or pick up the "official" one from me at my work sometime before 3 today. See you guys at the next meeting, two weeks from today... -Jon From itz at speakeasy.org Thu Apr 4 09:27:03 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 04 Apr 2002 09:27:03 -0800 Subject: [buug] Licenses [Was: FREE Pass to LinuxWorld Conference & Expo] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86pu1fbcig.fsf@speakeasy.org> Chris> whether or not there is such a bug, this seems at best to be Chris> unprofessional and needlessly exclusive of those who might not Chris> want to run mozilla (because they don't agree to Netscape's Chris> Public License) or opera. itz> For what it's worth, I have a much greater problem with the QPL itz> (which covers the Qt toolkit on which Konqureror is based, and itz> maybe Konqureror itself) than with [NM]PL. Brian> Were you going to elaborate? The "modifications only as patches" clause. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 The world has taken on a thickness of vulgarity that raises a spiritual man's contempt to the violence of a passion. Baudelaire From cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu Thu Apr 4 11:17:02 2002 From: cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:17:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [buug] I won't be at the meeting tonight... In-Reply-To: <20020404075653.A27974@weak.org> Message-ID: I'll draw up a sign and bring it. Which means that if I'm not there, I *have* been eaten by rabid cows (oh, what an ironic fate for a vegetarian). Claude On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Jon McClintock wrote: > Just so y'all don't freak out and think I was eaten by rabid cows or something, > I've got an engagement in the city to go to, so I won't be at tonight's BUUG > meeting. I'll leave it in someone else's hands to either fabricate a > suitably uniformative placard, or pick up the "official" one from me at my > work sometime before 3 today. > > See you guys at the next meeting, two weeks from today... > > -Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > From feedle at feedle.net Fri Apr 5 10:07:38 2002 From: feedle at feedle.net (C. Sullivan) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:07:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [buug] Re: [Buug-admin] FREE Pass to LinuxWorld Conference & Expo In-Reply-To: <863cycqcjy.fsf@speakeasy.org> Message-ID: On 3 Apr 2002, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > For what it's worth, I have a much greater problem with the QPL (which > covers the Qt toolkit on which Konqureror is based, and maybe > Konqureror itself) than with [NM]PL. (pet peeve mode) Did you even bother to look at Konqueror's licensing before you posted this? First off, qt's licensing has recently been changed. Secondly, on any debian box simply looking at /usr/doc/konqueror/copyright would have told you that the vast majority of the KDE pieces are GPL or LGPL. Research, then comment. From itz at speakeasy.org Fri Apr 5 10:18:44 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 05 Apr 2002 10:18:44 -0800 Subject: [buug] Q license In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86pu1eggaj.fsf@speakeasy.org> itz> For what it's worth, I have a much greater problem with the QPL itz> (which covers the Qt toolkit on which Konqureror is based, and itz> maybe Konqureror itself) than with [NM]PL. Chris> Did you even bother to look at Konqueror's licensing before you Chris> posted this? Chris> First off, qt's licensing has recently been changed. Secondly, Chris> on any debian box simply looking at Chris> /usr/doc/konqueror/copyright would have told you that the vast Chris> majority of the KDE pieces are GPL or LGPL. Chris> Research, then comment. If you read my post again, you'll notice I wrote "maybe" about Konqueror. That also makes it sufficiently clear, I believe, that I didn't read the copyright file for that specific package. My comment was based on recent very personal and very painful experience with the Q license and another unrelated piece of software, and my knowledge (still correct, AFAIK) that Qt itself is covered by it. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 The world has taken on a thickness of vulgarity that raises a spiritual man's contempt to the violence of a passion. Baudelaire From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Apr 5 11:01:10 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:01:10 -0800 Subject: [buug] Q license In-Reply-To: <86pu1eggaj.fsf@speakeasy.org> References: <86pu1eggaj.fsf@speakeasy.org> Message-ID: <20020405190110.GM12304@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Ian Zimmerman (itz at speakeasy.org): > My comment was based on recent very personal and very painful > experience with the Q license and another unrelated piece of software, > and my knowledge (still correct, AFAIK) that Qt itself is covered by > it. Qt 2.2 and above is dual-licensed QPL and GPL. Trolltech's decision to do that eliminated the KDE licence debete, prospectively. Of course, QPL/GPL prevent third parties from incorporating code into proprietary software, so you can alternatively purchase an instance of Qt under proprietary licensing. Two slightly differing offers of this kind are dubbed the "Professional" and "Enterprise" editions. As far as I know, this is the same codebase with different licence and support terms. (I'm referring to the X11 version. There's also some proprietary implementations for Win32 and Apple Quartz/Aqua.) -- Cheers, "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first Rick Moen woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers rick at linuxmafia.com to kill again." -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column, describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_ From jammer at weak.org Mon Apr 8 11:18:06 2002 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:18:06 -0700 Subject: [buug] Death^H^H^Hskstar replacement Message-ID: <20020408111806.A12452@weak.org> So over the weekend I began noticing this in my syslogs: Apr 8 08:04:32 weak kernel: hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Apr 8 08:04:32 weak kernel: hde: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=26479704, sector=1310888 Apr 8 08:04:32 weak kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 21:07 (hde), sector 1310888 /dev/hde being, of course, my lovely IBM DLTA-307030 drive (of the infamous Deskstar 75GXP family). Being the cautious person I am, I have no backups, and would like to get a replacement before it goes completely kabloey on me. So, can anyone reccomend a replacement? Features I'm looking for are greater than 30GB capacity, ATA-100 interface, 7200 RPM, 3.5" form factor, and a price of around $100. I see on pricewatch that the 60 GB Deskstar 60GXP can be had for ~$99; do they have as infamous a reputation for failure as the 75GXPs? -Jon From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Apr 8 12:09:15 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:09:15 -0700 Subject: [buug] Death^H^H^Hskstar replacement In-Reply-To: <20020408111806.A12452@weak.org> References: <20020408111806.A12452@weak.org> Message-ID: <20020408190915.GG12304@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jon McClintock (jammer at weak.org): > I see on pricewatch that the 60 GB Deskstar 60GXP can be had for ~$99; > do they have as infamous a reputation for failure as the 75GXPs? 'Far as I can tell, the 75GXP series is one the very rare instances of IBM's storage division releasing a lemon, and I think you'd be well advised to... yes... get another Deskstar. Ya pays your money and ya takes your chances. -- Cheers, "Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?" Rick Moen -- Steven Wright rick at linuxmafia.com From webmaster at hawaiidakine.com Tue Apr 9 20:00:18 2002 From: webmaster at hawaiidakine.com (al plant) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:00:18 -1000 Subject: [buug] Free BSD on a Dell Latitude LM Laptop Message-ID: <3CB3AAC2.4118AF6D@hawaiidakine.com> Hi Gurus, I have a dell Latitude LM and want to install FreeBSD 4.4 on it. I have the 2 floppies to set up the retrieve from the FreeBSD site. I have a linksys PCMCIA external card to connect to my LAN and connect to the network. The FreeBsd book says to specify card0 as well as the settings of the linksys PCMCIA nic card. These are io=0x300 irq=11 I am not sure of how to setup card0. When I try to set the kernel section and then go to the installer I get a warning about the 11 irq may be a problem. But I can't get the eth0 ( which is what linksys says is NE2000 compatible setting to show up in the "go to" for installing the nic and loading the FreeBSD from the network. Any help would be appreciated. Aloha! Al Plant -Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.80/mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. Running Caldera Linux 2.4 & FreeBSD 4.4 UNIX Support Open Source in Business and Computing. Phone 808-622-0043 From mjh at icir.org Tue Apr 9 20:46:37 2002 From: mjh at icir.org (Mark Handley) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:46:37 -0700 Subject: [buug] Free BSD on a Dell Latitude LM Laptop In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:00:18 -1000." <3CB3AAC2.4118AF6D@hawaiidakine.com> Message-ID: <79403.1018410397@vulture.icir.org> >I have a dell Latitude LM and want to install FreeBSD 4.4 on >it. I have the 2 floppies to set up the retrieve from the >FreeBSD site. I have a linksys PCMCIA external card to >connect to my LAN and connect to the network. The FreeBsd >book says to specify card0 as well as the settings of the >linksys PCMCIA nic card. These are io=0x300 irq=11 I am not >sure of how to >setup card0. > >When I try to set the kernel section and then go to the >installer I get a warning about the 11 irq may be a problem. >But I can't get the eth0 ( which is what linksys says is >NE2000 compatible setting to show up in the "go to" for >installing the nic and loading the FreeBSD from the network. eth0 is a Linuxism. You probably want ed0 for an NE2000 clone on FreeBSD. I've always had good luck installing FreeBSD using Linksys PCMCIA NE2000 clone cards - you can probably use all the default settings rather than worrying about tuning anything. But I'd definitely install FreeBSD 4.5 (preferably 4.5-STABLE) rather than 4.4 - there have been quite a few security fixes for most open-source OSes in the past year, and the later the release the better. Cheers, Mark From swive at getnet.com Thu Apr 11 17:53:08 2002 From: swive at getnet.com (VB) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:53:08 -0800 Subject: [buug] reload dns Message-ID: I reconfigured my dns and would like to force the box to use it instead of the old dns. I would like to do so without rebooting. Will taking down the interface with ifconfig and then bringing it back up do the trick, or is there another/better way? Thnx, Van From itz at speakeasy.org Thu Apr 11 22:03:16 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 11 Apr 2002 22:03:16 -0700 Subject: [buug] reload dns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86ofgpzey3.fsf@speakeasy.org> Van> I reconfigured my dns and would like to force the box to use it Van> instead of the old dns. I would like to do so without rebooting. Van> Will taking down the interface with ifconfig and then bringing it Van> back up do the trick, or is there another/better way? No, restart named. On debian: ~# /etc/init.d/bind force-reload Stopping domain name service: named. Starting domain name service: named. ~# -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 The world has taken on a thickness of vulgarity that raises a spiritual man's contempt to the violence of a passion. Baudelaire From john at jjdev.com Thu Apr 11 23:30:25 2002 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:30:25 -0700 Subject: [buug] reload dns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020412063025.GA20560@vette.jjdev.com> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 04:53:08PM -0800, VB wrote: > I reconfigured my dns and would like to force the box to use it instead of > the old dns. I would like to do so without rebooting. Will taking down the > interface with ifconfig and then bringing it back up do the trick, or is > there another/better way? > what nameserver do you use? I will assume BIND if you are using bind... according to the man page: ------------------------------------- SIGNALS In routine operation, signals should not be used to con- trol the nameserver; rndc should be used instead. SIGHUP Force a reload of the server. ------------------------------- if you signal the process with a SIGHUP it will reload. No need to stop or start anything I usually type: killall -HUP named on Linux with bind9 From itz at speakeasy.org Sun Apr 14 16:48:32 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 14 Apr 2002 16:48:32 -0700 Subject: [buug] xconsole Message-ID: <86lmbp3kq7.fsf@speakeasy.org> How do I make xconsole wrap long lines that they're all visible? I tried to add this to my ~/.Xresources: XConsole*text.wrap: 1 it doesn't help one bit. The analogous line where I change the font works as expected. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 The world has taken on a thickness of vulgarity that raises a spiritual man's contempt to the violence of a passion. Baudelaire From sobolak at myrealbox.com Mon Apr 15 12:22:42 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:22:42 -0700 Subject: [buug] Funny how things have changed Message-ID: <1018898562.58b9fff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> While looking for something else I stumbled across this: Interesting. brian From nyec at pacbell.net Mon Apr 15 14:28:12 2002 From: nyec at pacbell.net (nyec) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:28:12 -0700 Subject: [buug] Funny how things have changed In-Reply-To: <1018898562.58b9fff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> References: <1018898562.58b9fff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <200204152124.OAA28868@zeus.he.net> On Monday 15 April 2002 12:22 pm, Brian Sobolak wrote: > While looking for something else I stumbled across this: > > > > Interesting. > > brian This is interesting. Also, I was just talking to someone who needed some linux help setting up a mail filter for sendmail. The person was going to convert linux desktops to win2k. After some prodding, he gave up the name of the company. It was VA software. From chris at atbaysecurity.com Mon Apr 15 14:04:10 2002 From: chris at atbaysecurity.com (Chris Nye) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:04:10 -0700 Subject: [buug] Funny how things have changed In-Reply-To: <1018898562.58b9fff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> References: <1018898562.58b9fff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <200204152100.OAA25201@zeus.he.net> On Monday 15 April 2002 12:22 pm, Brian Sobolak wrote: > While looking for something else I stumbled across this: > > > > Interesting. > > brian This is interesting. Also, I was just talking to someone who needed some linux help setting up a mail filter for sendmail. The person was going to convert linux desktops to win2k. After some prodding, he gave up the name of the company. It was VA software. From cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu Tue Apr 16 13:31:41 2002 From: cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] FoxTrot Message-ID: FoxTrot is always a good source for geek humor... today's strip: http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/viewft.cfm?uc_fn=1&uc_full_date=20020416&uc_daction=X&uc_comic=ft Claude From jrcow97 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 17 13:24:08 2002 From: jrcow97 at yahoo.com (Jerry Cheung) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] nice comic :-) In-Reply-To: <200204171437.HAA31390@weak.org> Message-ID: <20020417202408.20288.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> hehe, that's a good one. My friend from Britain had a good chuckle over it. Jerry --- buug-admin at weak.org wrote: > > Send Buug mailing list submissions to > buug at weak.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > buug-request at weak.org > You can reach the person managing the list at > buug-admin at weak.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Buug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. FoxTrot (Claude Rubinson) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:31:41 -0400 (EDT) > From: Claude Rubinson > To: buug at weak.org > Subject: [buug] FoxTrot > > FoxTrot is always a good source for geek humor... > > today's strip: > http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/viewft.cfm?uc_fn=1&uc_full_date=20020416&uc_daction=X&uc_comic=ft > > Claude > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > > End of Buug Digest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From sobolak at myrealbox.com Thu Apr 18 14:50:05 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:50:05 -0700 Subject: [buug] GIMP on OSX? Message-ID: <1019166605.5d5feff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> The Gimp has certainly improved since the last time I tried to use it on Linux. It'd be nice if it were available for OSX too. (There weren't any pointers on the Gimp site.) Anyone ever used the Gimp on OSX? brian From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Apr 18 15:08:47 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:08:47 -0700 Subject: [buug] GIMP on OSX? In-Reply-To: <1019166605.5d5feff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> References: <1019166605.5d5feff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20020418220847.GN20339@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Brian Sobolak (sobolak at myrealbox.com): > The Gimp has certainly improved since the last time I tried to use it > on Linux. It'd be nice if it were available for OSX too. I asked my friend Google, and he said: http://macgimp.org/ http://www.openosx.com/gimp/ http://www.macgimp.org/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=19 http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/gimp http://www.ourpla.net/guiunix/GettingXGoing.html#thegimp -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, rick at linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association. From bferrell at baywinds.org Thu Apr 18 17:15:56 2002 From: bferrell at baywinds.org (Bruce Ferrell) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:15:56 -0700 Subject: [buug] GIMP on OSX? References: <1019166605.5d5feff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <3CBF61BC.A62E3486@baywinds.org> do a google search for fink and OSX. It's a package porter that might help you out. Brian Sobolak wrote: > > The Gimp has certainly improved since the last time I tried to use it on Linux. It'd be nice if it were available for OSX too. (There weren't any pointers on the Gimp site.) > > Anyone ever used the Gimp on OSX? > > brian > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu Mon Apr 22 13:25:02 2002 From: cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] PC Card Modems? Message-ID: My girlfriend recently accidentally destroyed her PC Card modem. (Tripped over the phone line which yanked out the modem and mangled it. Kinda funny but not pretty. The modem that is; not the girlfriend. Girlfriend's pretty. And funny. Anyhow...) So I'm looking at picking up a new one. Two questions: First, does anyone have a used pcmcia modem that they're looking to sell? Second, I always thought that all pcmcia modems were hardware-based (specifically, that all would work without problem under Linux). But looking into pcmcia modems on the web, I was surprised to see that U.S. Robotics is now selling PC Card Winmodems. And even their regular 56K PC Card Modem says "Modem is compatible with Windows 2000, Windows 98, and Windows 95. (This product will not work in MS-DOS shell or non-Microsoft operating systems.)" A bit different from the standard "This product was designed for Windows" note. One additionally oddity - the specs for both US Robotics modems (win and regular) are virtually identical. The only significant different that I noted is that the winmodem lists a power requirement of 30mA. Everything else is the same. For the curious (or bored), specs are available here: winmodem: http://www.usr.com/products/laptop/laptop-product.asp?type=specs&sku=3CCM356 regular modem: http://www.usr.com/products/laptop/laptop-product.asp?type=specs&sku=3CP003057 I'm certainly no expert in pcmcia, so I'm a bit confused. Are there now pcmcia winmodems? Or is this just a marketing thing? Are all pcmcia modems (still) safe under Linux? Thanks, Claude From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Apr 22 13:59:30 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:59:30 -0700 Subject: [buug] PC Card Modems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020422205930.GG1734@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Claude Rubinson (cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu): > Second, I always thought that all pcmcia modems were hardware-based > (specifically, that all would work without problem under Linux). But > looking into pcmcia modems on the web, I was surprised to see that > U.S. Robotics is now selling PC Card Winmodems. And even their > regular 56K PC Card Modem says "Modem is compatible with Windows 2000, > Windows 98, and Windows 95. (This product will not work in MS-DOS > shell or non-Microsoft operating systems.)" A bit different from the > standard "This product was designed for Windows" note. > > One additionally oddity - the specs for both US Robotics modems (win > and regular) are virtually identical. Yeah, doesn't that just suck? It's like they've given over their entire presence to the marketing department, and kicked out the techies entirely, lest they divulge meaningful specifications to the customers. I can only guess that they're deathly afraid of being asked telephone questions that aren't covered in their technical support scripts, to the point that they've brain-damaged their product specs. I'd say your best bet, as always, is to take any product-information with a big grain of salt, and mostly rely on Rob Clark's database: http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html > I'm certainly no expert in pcmcia, so I'm a bit confused. Are there > now pcmcia winmodems? You betcha. But USR's assertion that a particular model works only with MS-WindowsXX can't be relied on, either. If y'all don't mind my indulging myself, all of this is a natural consequence of Moen's Law of Bicycles: "Good customers make for good products." http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/svlug/2001-April/034273.html -- Cheers, It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. Rick Moen It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, rick@ The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, linuxmafia.com It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. From sobolak at myrealbox.com Mon Apr 22 14:17:09 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:17:09 -0700 Subject: Coffee (was Re: [buug] PC Card Modems?) Message-ID: <1019510229.96ba0ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> Rick sig revealed: > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. > It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, > The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, > It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. As someone that went from 4 big honkin' cups of coffee a day down to zero recently, your sig really hit home. Is it attributed to you or an anonymous hacker? brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ sobolak at myrealbox.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Apr 22 14:24:48 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:24:48 -0700 Subject: Coffee (was Re: [buug] PC Card Modems?) In-Reply-To: <1019510229.96ba0ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> References: <1019510229.96ba0ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20020422212448.GI1734@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Brian Sobolak (sobolak at myrealbox.com): > As someone that went from 4 big honkin' cups of coffee a day down to > zero recently, your sig really hit home. > > Is it attributed to you or an anonymous hacker? Alas, I can neither claim credit nor tell you who originated it. -- Cheers, Rick Moen "vi is my shepherd; I shall not font." rick at linuxmafia.com -- Psalm 0.1 beta From sobolak at myrealbox.com Tue Apr 23 11:37:53 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:37:53 -0700 Subject: [buug] 4,096 versions of Windows Message-ID: <1019587073.61f40ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> This whole Gates testimony is infuriating. From : Or forcing Microsoft to make 4,096 versions of it, as Gates calculated in his written testimony. ... ``If you take all the permutations, then instead of Windows XP Home and Professional, the number of different combinations gets (huge),'' Cherry said. In terms of the time and cost involved, he added, ``You can't support that.'' -- Funny, I think Linux has about that many versions. And I think it works ok. billg is full of stinky poo-poo. brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ sobolak at myrealbox.com From jammer at weak.org Tue Apr 23 11:41:49 2002 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:41:49 -0700 Subject: [buug] 4,096 versions of Windows In-Reply-To: <1019587073.61f40ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com>; from sobolak@myrealbox.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 11:37:53AM -0700 References: <1019587073.61f40ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20020423114149.A27012@weak.org> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 11:37:53AM -0700, Brian Sobolak wrote: > ``If you take all the permutations, then instead of Windows XP Home and Professional, the number of different combinations gets (huge),'' Cherry said. In terms of the time and cost involved, he added, ``You can't support that.'' > > -- > > Funny, I think Linux has about that many versions. And I think it works ok. jonm at darkhawk:/usr/src/linux$ grep -c CONFIG .config 659 So Linux has at least 2^659 versions. And that's just the kernel. :) -Jon From Mickel at pbworld.com Thu Apr 25 10:32:46 2002 From: Mickel at pbworld.com (Mickel, Brian) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:32:46 -0400 Subject: [buug] need some help with getting set up.... Message-ID: <87B796110156D511AC1C00508BB88FF2BBB7CC@sfom1> I need some help trying to get a SOHO set up at my apartment in Vallejo. I am happy to compensate someone to give me a hand, since I am very new to the BSD & UNIX world. Do you have anyone who maybe interested? Basically I want to get my DSL hooked up and network 2-4 different systems. Please let me know. Thanks, Brian Mickel Parsons-Brinckerhoff 303 Second Street Suite 700 San Francisco, California 94107 415-243-4603 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrcow97 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 09:51:02 2002 From: jrcow97 at yahoo.com (Jerry Cheung) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] reply need some help getting setting up In-Reply-To: <200204261437.HAA19124@weak.org> Message-ID: <20020426165102.93672.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> > I need some help trying to get a SOHO set up at my > apartment in Vallejo. I > am happy to compensate someone to give me a hand, > since I am very new to the > BSD & UNIX world. Do you have anyone who maybe > interested? Basically I want > to get my DSL hooked up and network 2-4 different > systems. Please let me > know. >Brian Mickel Hi, I don't think I'd be too much help to you, but I'd like to come watch so I can also learn how to set up DSL, and some networking. If you don't mind that is... :) Jerry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From ms at speakeasy.net Fri Apr 26 10:35:28 2002 From: ms at speakeasy.net (Michael Salmon) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:35:28 -0700 Subject: [buug] reply need some help getting setting up In-Reply-To: <20020426165102.93672.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200204261437.HAA19124@weak.org> <20020426165102.93672.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020426103528.D14254@speakeasy.net> How about this. Install FreeBSD from cd-rom, very easy. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ for pointers. It will ask you about network setup. If you are going to do all public ip's then you've got it real easy. When you've setup the box read man rc.conf and man ifconfig. If you're in need of a nat and a firewall but have no idea what you're doing.. well you have a lot of work cut out for you. Get a book. Otherwise put an ad on craigslist and expect to pay someone who knows what they're doing at least $30 an hour, and that's only if you get some hacker kid. Not to make hacker kids sound bad of course.. An experienced person should charge at least double that. ms- On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:51:02AM -0700, Jerry Cheung wrote: > > I need some help trying to get a SOHO set up at my > > apartment in Vallejo. I > > am happy to compensate someone to give me a hand, > > since I am very new to the > > BSD & UNIX world. Do you have anyone who maybe > > interested? Basically I want > > to get my DSL hooked up and network 2-4 different > > systems. Please let me > > know. > >Brian Mickel > > Hi, I don't think I'd be too much help to you, but I'd > like to come watch so I can also learn how to set up > DSL, and some networking. If you don't mind that > is... :) > > Jerry > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From ms at speakeasy.net Fri Apr 26 11:44:27 2002 From: ms at speakeasy.net (Michael Salmon) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:44:27 -0700 Subject: [buug] reply need some help getting setting up In-Reply-To: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA02FFF55A@goofy.epylon.lan> References: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA02FFF55A@goofy.epylon.lan> Message-ID: <20020426114427.A15814@speakeasy.net> From the private messages and public discussion on this topic, it seems there is a lot of interest in learning how to do this sort of thing. I am new to the list and curious if there have been any meetings with discussions or lessons on useful technologies? Sounds like a buug meeting where someone shows how to setup a sample network would be welcomed. If there was enough interest and I had some help getting computers to and from some venue, I would consider creating a free demonstration of setting up a unix firewall to control a private network. Then I could let everyone try to hack it. And of course people there would have to be pizza and drinks ;-) Sounds a bit funner then the boring perl user groups where people talk about the new features in 5.6 and how awesome mod_perl is. ms- On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 11:33:23AM -0700, DiCioccio, Jason wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Check out www.freebsddiary.org , I'm sure there's some stuff on NAT there. > > Cheers, > - -JD- > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Salmon [mailto:ms at speakeasy.net] > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:35 AM > To: Jerry Cheung > Cc: buug at weak.org > Subject: Re: [buug] reply need some help getting setting up > > > How about this. > Install FreeBSD from cd-rom, very easy. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ > for pointers. > It will ask you about network setup. If you are going to do all public > ip's then you've got it real easy. When you've setup the box > read man rc.conf and man ifconfig. If you're in need of a nat and a > firewall but have no idea what you're doing.. well you have a lot of > work cut out for you. Get a book. Otherwise put an ad on craigslist and > expect to pay someone who knows what they're doing at least $30 an hour, > and that's only if you get some hacker kid. Not to make hacker kids sound > bad of course.. An experienced person should charge at least double that. > > ms- > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:51:02AM -0700, Jerry Cheung wrote: > > > I need some help trying to get a SOHO set up at my > > > apartment in Vallejo. I > > > am happy to compensate someone to give me a hand, > > > since I am very new to the > > > BSD & UNIX world. Do you have anyone who maybe > > > interested? Basically I want > > > to get my DSL hooked up and network 2-4 different > > > systems. Please let me > > > know. > > >Brian Mickel > > > > Hi, I don't think I'd be too much help to you, but I'd > > like to come watch so I can also learn how to set up > > DSL, and some networking. If you don't mind that > > is... :) > > > > Jerry > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Buug mailing list > > Buug at weak.org > > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 7.0.4 > > iQA/AwUBPMmfub8+wXo6G32BEQKtdwCdFZiV1sShAEa9dIYzQUK4YWzVQSQAoKcg > 9a9Scai9LuDODEnyBO64ouEI > =s4Sh > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jdicioccio at epylon.com Fri Apr 26 11:33:23 2002 From: jdicioccio at epylon.com (DiCioccio, Jason) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:33:23 -0700 Subject: [buug] reply need some help getting setting up Message-ID: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA02FFF55A@goofy.epylon.lan> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Check out www.freebsddiary.org , I'm sure there's some stuff on NAT there. Cheers, - -JD- - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Salmon [mailto:ms at speakeasy.net] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:35 AM To: Jerry Cheung Cc: buug at weak.org Subject: Re: [buug] reply need some help getting setting up How about this. Install FreeBSD from cd-rom, very easy. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ for pointers. It will ask you about network setup. If you are going to do all public ip's then you've got it real easy. When you've setup the box read man rc.conf and man ifconfig. If you're in need of a nat and a firewall but have no idea what you're doing.. well you have a lot of work cut out for you. Get a book. Otherwise put an ad on craigslist and expect to pay someone who knows what they're doing at least $30 an hour, and that's only if you get some hacker kid. Not to make hacker kids sound bad of course.. An experienced person should charge at least double that. ms- On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:51:02AM -0700, Jerry Cheung wrote: > > I need some help trying to get a SOHO set up at my > > apartment in Vallejo. I > > am happy to compensate someone to give me a hand, > > since I am very new to the > > BSD & UNIX world. Do you have anyone who maybe > > interested? Basically I want > > to get my DSL hooked up and network 2-4 different > > systems. Please let me > > know. > >Brian Mickel > > Hi, I don't think I'd be too much help to you, but I'd > like to come watch so I can also learn how to set up > DSL, and some networking. If you don't mind that > is... :) > > Jerry > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug _______________________________________________ Buug mailing list Buug at weak.org http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPMmfub8+wXo6G32BEQKtdwCdFZiV1sShAEa9dIYzQUK4YWzVQSQAoKcg 9a9Scai9LuDODEnyBO64ouEI =s4Sh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sobolak at myrealbox.com Fri Apr 26 13:26:01 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:26:01 -0700 Subject: [buug] reply need some help getting setting up In-Reply-To: <20020426103528.D14254@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On 4/26/02 10:35 AM, "Michael Salmon" wrote: >>> I need some help trying to get a SOHO set up at my >>> apartment in Vallejo. I >>> am happy to compensate someone to give me a hand, >>> since I am very new to the >>> BSD & UNIX world. Do you have anyone who maybe >>> interested? Basically I want >>> to get my DSL hooked up and network 2-4 different >>> systems. Please let me >>> know. >>> Brian Mickel > How about this. > Install FreeBSD from cd-rom, very easy. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ > for pointers. > It will ask you about network setup. If you are going to do all public > ip's then you've got it real easy. When you've setup the box > read man rc.conf and man ifconfig. If you're in need of a nat and a > firewall but have no idea what you're doing.. well you have a lot of > work cut out for you. Get a book. Otherwise put an ad on craigslist and > expect to pay someone who knows what they're doing at least $30 an hour, > and that's only if you get some hacker kid. Not to make hacker kids sound > bad of course.. An experienced person should charge at least double that. You can also got to CompUSA or whatever computer center you wish, buy a router for < $100, plug it in to your computer and DSL and get what you want: a network for 2 - 4 users, a firewall, NAT, and other features. I did this 2 years ago when I bought a NetGear firewall (RT314). It took me 10 minutes to setup. Sometimes you need the right tool for the job. brian -- What planet are you on? http://www.planetshwoop.com/ This is how I think http://www.planetshwoop.com/blog/ Brian Sobolak sobolak at myrealbox.com From sobolak at myrealbox.com Fri Apr 26 13:30:30 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:30:30 -0700 Subject: [buug] reply need some help getting setting up In-Reply-To: <20020426114427.A15814@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On 4/26/02 11:44 AM, "Michael Salmon" wrote: > From the private messages and public discussion on this topic, it seems > there is a lot of interest in learning how to do this sort of thing. > I am new to the list and curious if there have been any meetings > with discussions or lessons on useful technologies? Sounds like a > buug meeting where someone shows how to setup a sample network > would be welcomed. If there was enough interest and I had some help > getting computers to and from some venue, I would consider creating > a free demonstration of setting up a unix firewall to control a private > network. Then I could let everyone try to hack it. > And of course people there would have to be pizza and drinks ;-) You should hook up with the people at BAFUG. They pretty much do all of the above and always need speakers. Www.baguf.org. Unfortunately I don't think BUUG has the facilities for this, mostly because the place we meet doesn't have a place where we can setup equipment. Certainly sounds interesting though. > > Sounds a bit funner then the boring perl user groups where people talk > about the new features in 5.6 and how awesome mod_perl is. > (just to make you feel a bit like you're at home) Mod_perl is awesome. On a slightly different note, anyone using Apache 2.0? Brian -- What planet are you on? http://www.planetshwoop.com/ This is how I think http://www.planetshwoop.com/blog/ Brian Sobolak sobolak at myrealbox.com From nick at zork.net Fri Apr 26 13:43:41 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:43:41 -0700 Subject: [buug] reply need some help getting setting up In-Reply-To: References: <20020426114427.A15814@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20020426204341.GV24493@zork.net> begin Brian Sobolak quotation: > You should hook up with the people at BAFUG. They pretty much do > all of the above and always need speakers. Www.baguf.org. That is, http://www.bafug.org -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Apr 26 14:08:09 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:08:09 -0700 Subject: [buug] reply need some help getting setting up In-Reply-To: References: <20020426114427.A15814@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20020426210809.GH32589@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Brian Sobolak (sobolak at myrealbox.com): > Unfortunately I don't think BUUG has the facilities for this, mostly because > the place we meet doesn't have a place where we can setup equipment. > Certainly sounds interesting though. This may be my cue to mention that we (CABAL, BAFUG, and others) are having a Linux InstallFest and BSD Install-a-thon _tomorrow_ in Berkeley, 10 AM - 4 PM. Michael is very welcome to come and at least discuss his situation, if not get technical assistance with setup and configuration. Details are here: http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/ All are welcome. Drop in for help, to help others, or just to hang out. LOCATION: Longfellow Arts & Technology Magnet Middle School, 1500 Derby St. @ Sacramento St. (north of Ashby), Berkeley. FAQ: http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/ List of CDs I'm bringing (from http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/installfest/#distros): * Apple Darwin (BSD) v. 1.4.1 for i386, v. 1.3.1 for PPC * Conectiva Linux 7.0 (2 disks) for i386 * Corel Linux 1.2 AKA "second edition" for i386 * Corel Word Perfect 8 for i386 Linux * CRUX 0.9.1 for i386 * Debian Official "potato" 2.2r5 for i386 (3 disks) * Debian Official "potato" 2.2r3 for PPC (1 disk), SPARC (3 disks), and DEC Alpha (3 disks) * Debian Unofficial "woody" pre-3.0 2001-12-27 netinst for i386 and PPC * EasyLinux 1.2 for i386 (2 disks) * FreeBSD 4.5 "stable" (3 disks) for i386 * FreeBSD 5.0 "current" 2001-08 snapshot (6 disks) for i386 * Gentoo Linux 1.0rc6-r14 for i386 * Libranet 1.8.2 for i386 * Linuxcare Bootable Toolbox 2.0 for i386 * Linux-Mandrake 8.2 (3 disks) for i586 * LinuxPPC "2000 / MacWorld CD" for PPC * LNX-BBC 1.618 for i386 * Lycoris Desktop/LX build 44 (3 disks) for i386 * MkLinux pre-R1 (2nd image) for PPC * Microsoft NetShow 2.00 build 2.51 for i386 Linux * NetBSD 1.5.2 for alpha, i386, macppc, pmax, sparc, vax, sparc64, sun3. * NetBSD 1.5.2 for amiga, arc, arm32, atari, cobalt, hp300, hpcmips, mac68k, mvme68k, news68k, next68k, pc532 * OpenBSD 3.0 (3 disks) for i386 * Open Office pre-6.0 alpha build 641c for i386 and PPC Linux * Progeny 1.0 (2 disks) for i386 * Red Hat 7.2 (2 disks) for i386 * Red Hat "Skipjack" beta2 7.2.93 (5 disks) for i386 * Slackware 8.0 (2 disks) for i386 * Stampede Linux 0.90 beta "happy valley" for i586 * Storm Linux 2.0.6 for i386 * Sorcerer GNU Linux 2002-01-25 for i386 * Sun Star Office 6.0 beta for i386 Linux * Sun Star Office 5.2 for i386 Linux * SuSE Linux 7.0 "evaluation" for i386 * Turbo Linux Server (English) 6.0.5 for i386 * Turbo Linux Workstation (English) 6.1 for i386 * VA-Enhanced Red Hat 6.2.4 for i386 * Vermillion 7.1.1 (2 disks) for i386 * Yellow Dog 2.1 for PPC We'll have a small LAN and server for network installations, a few ethernet cards to lend, parallel-port laplink cable for PLIP installations, etc. -- Cheers, "Reality is not optional." Rick Moen -- Thomas Sowell rick at linuxmafia.com From ms at speakeasy.net Fri Apr 26 17:44:46 2002 From: ms at speakeasy.net (Michael Salmon) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:44:46 -0700 Subject: [buug] reply need some help getting setting up In-Reply-To: <20020426204341.GV24493@zork.net> References: <20020426114427.A15814@speakeasy.net> <20020426204341.GV24493@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020426174446.A16120@speakeasy.net> bafug has their next meeting at carls jr. that's pathetic.. ms- On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 01:43:41PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > begin Brian Sobolak quotation: > > You should hook up with the people at BAFUG. They pretty much do > > all of the above and always need speakers. Www.baguf.org. > > That is, http://www.bafug.org > > -- > INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION > end > 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! > ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Apr 26 18:09:02 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:09:02 -0700 Subject: [buug] reply need some help getting setting up In-Reply-To: <20020426174446.A16120@speakeasy.net> References: <20020426114427.A15814@speakeasy.net> <20020426204341.GV24493@zork.net> <20020426174446.A16120@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20020427010902.GB16550@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Michael Salmon (ms at speakeasy.net): > bafug has their next meeting at carls jr. that's pathetic.. Well, yes and no, twice over. First, you're talking about the "San Jose meeting", which is, strictly speaking, the meeting of a separate group: Silicon Valley BSD User Group. If you follow the hyperlink, you'll see that. Second, it's not _in_ a Carl's Jr. in the sense you probably envision. The Carl's Jr. on N. First Street has an adjoining community room, next to the dining area proper, that can be reserved by groups like SVBUG. It's not bad, for groups up to about 50 people. In point of fact, that's exactly where Silicon Valley _Linux_ User Group met for a long time, before it outgrew the room's capacity. -- Cheers, Rick Moen Linux for Intel: Party like it's 2037! rick at linuxmafia.com From will_sargent at yahoo.com Sat Apr 27 01:44:33 2002 From: will_sargent at yahoo.com (Will Sargent) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:44:33 -0700 Subject: [buug] Setting up Debian Message-ID: Hi y'all, For the longest time I couldn't get Debian installed without wierd network errors and segfaults all over the floor. I traced it down to a bad memory card, and the whole thing worked without a hitch. So... Now that I have it set up, there's a few things I want to do to it which I'm still not sure exactly how to do. I got past the initial hump of installing an NVIDIA driver and recompiling the kernel with the special debian command, but I'm still hazy on how X and apt-get works. As I understand it, apt-get will do an update against whatever I put in source.list. I initially installed everything using unstable (woody) before I realized that secured packages were only guaranteed against stable (potato) versions. So I changed the source and did an update... and nothing happened. How can I revert debian back to the potato packages using apt-get? The second question could be debian's security showing through, or just my lack of knowledge. I want to be able to use Cygwin X on my W2K box to look at the server. As I understand it, this means I have to execute a remote session, preferably using SSH. I can get sort of the way there by starting up an X client on cygwin using 'startx' and then 'ssh -X -l wsargent 192.168.1.100' in an xterm and then going through various incantations... but I still end up with boring twm on cygwin. How do I see Gnome on my W2K terminal? Will. From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Apr 27 08:42:30 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 08:42:30 -0700 Subject: [buug] Setting up Debian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020427154230.GF16550@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Will Sargent (will_sargent at yahoo.com): > I got past the initial hump of installing an NVIDIA driver and > recompiling the kernel with the special debian command, but I'm still > hazy on how X and apt-get works. You don't _have_ to use make-kpkg to compile non-Debian-packaged kernel sources. It's really just a convenience. > As I understand it, apt-get will do an update against whatever I put > in source.list. I initially installed everything using unstable > (woody) before I realized that secured packages were only guaranteed > against stable (potato) versions. So I changed the source and did an > update... and nothing happened. How can I revert debian back to the > potato packages using apt-get? You know, I _used_ to know how to do this, but have forgotten. You should ask on the debian-user mailing list. But are you _sure_ you want to revert to 2.2/potato? Hardly anyone uses it, any more, because its versions are ultra-conservative to the point of lunacy. And 3.0/woody is NOT the unstable branch; it's the "testing" branch, which has proven so extremely solid that it's exactly what's lead to 2.2/potato having hardly anyone using it. You might want to ask your other question on debian-user, too. I suspect you just need to remotely start the display manager, but am not sure. One of the reasons I'm not sure is that I wouldn't want to do that. I mean, why on _Earth_ would you want to use MS-Windows 2000 as your console for remote X11 sessions? Why not use X11/Linux as your local desktop, and get to the few Win32 things you need remotely via VNC? But that's obviously up to you. And there's an answer to your question, but I don't have it handy. (It's not Debian-specific, either.) Regarding Debian, you may find this handy: http://qref.sourceforge.net/quick/ And maybe my disorganised collection of tips, which has the more recent stuff at the bottom: http://linuxmafia.com/debian/tips -- Cheers, "Reality is not optional." Rick Moen -- Thomas Sowell rick at linuxmafia.com From cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu Sat Apr 27 12:03:30 2002 From: cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] Setting up Debian In-Reply-To: <20020427154230.GF16550@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Rick Moen wrote: > But are you _sure_ you want to revert to 2.2/potato? Hardly anyone uses > it, any more, because its versions are ultra-conservative to the point > of lunacy. And 3.0/woody is NOT the unstable branch; it's the "testing" > branch, which has proven so extremely solid that it's exactly what's > lead to 2.2/potato having hardly anyone using it. I'm not so sure how true this actually is. It's certainly true that online (i.e, web discussion boards, newsgroups, and email lists) you generally hear about people running Woody. However, many (most?) Debian users that I've met in real life are running Potato. (Of course, Rick's certainly met more Debian users that I have, so my sample size may simply not be large enough.) Personally, I tend to play it very conservative with my operating system and applications. Although I realize that Woody is quite solid, it's updated rather frequently (which, of course, is why people like it). I, on the other hand, prefer to worry about my system as little as possible. By running Potato, all I have to worry about is tracking the security updates. (The only program that I track independently is Mozilla; once Woody's released and I upgrade, I won't even have to worry about that.) Of course, I don't run any desktop environment or large GUI applications (e.g., OpenOffice, KOffice, etc) and am not particulary enchanted with eye-candy. If I were running either GNOME or KDE, I can definitely see where I might be interested in trying to keep more current; as it is, however, I'll take simplicity and ease-of-maintenance over keeping current. Just my 2 cents on some reasons why someone might prefer to run Potato as a desktop. Claude From nick at zork.net Sat Apr 27 20:18:38 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:18:38 -0700 Subject: [buug] Setting up Debian In-Reply-To: <20020427154230.GF16550@linuxmafia.com> References: <20020427154230.GF16550@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20020428031838.GJ24493@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > As I understand it, apt-get will do an update against whatever I > > put in source.list. I initially installed everything using > > unstable (woody) before I realized that secured packages were only > > guaranteed against stable (potato) versions. So I changed the > > source and did an update... and nothing happened. How can I > > revert debian back to the potato packages using apt-get? > > You know, I _used_ to know how to do this, but have forgotten. You > should ask on the debian-user mailing list. There may be a --downgrade function to apt-get. Not sure. The standard mechanism for apt is to use the sources to find the highest numbered version of a package, and resolve deps until it has you upgraded as far as it can go. An update will just refresh your local manifests to list the packages available from the sites listed in sources.list. It won't actually upgrade or downgrade any packages. > But are you _sure_ you want to revert to 2.2/potato? Hardly anyone > uses it, any more, because its versions are ultra-conservative to > the point of lunacy. And 3.0/woody is NOT the unstable branch; it's > the "testing" branch, which has proven so extremely solid that it's > exactly what's lead to 2.2/potato having hardly anyone using it. The reason for this is that it's the unstable branch, but with a remarkably effective two-week quarantine. If the package hasn't had a grave or serious bug in the two weeks since it was uploaded, it goes into the testing distribution. Because of this, too, you'll find that the bug fixes for security problems tend to hit testing about the same time as the potato updates. If anything, the potato "secured" packages are just back-ports of the things that worked right in unstable/testing. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Apr 28 13:09:56 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:09:56 -0700 Subject: [buug] Setting up Debian In-Reply-To: <20020428031838.GJ24493@zork.net> References: <20020427154230.GF16550@linuxmafia.com> <20020428031838.GJ24493@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020428200956.GG16550@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Nick Moffitt (nick at zork.net): > There may be a --downgrade function to apt-get. No, sorry. I have notes somewhere on what you have to do, but will have to find them. > The reason for this is that it's the unstable branch, but with > a remarkably effective two-week quarantine. The heuristic has become more complex than that, but no less effective: http://people.debian.org/~jules/testingfaq.html > Because of this, too, you'll find that the bug fixes for > security problems tend to hit testing about the same time as the > potato updates. There's actually a minor potential security exposure in woody on account of the mechanism for releasing packages from unstable. This was the subject of some discussion on debian-devel, some months back, involving the possibility of the security team rushing out packages in some cases for woody in addition to potato. But they decided the need would be too rare to justify that extra work. -- May those that love us love us; and those that don't love us, may God turn their hearts; and if he doesn't turn their hearts, may he turn their ankles so we'll know them by their limping. From nick at zork.net Sun Apr 28 13:20:54 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:20:54 -0700 Subject: [buug] Setting up Debian In-Reply-To: <20020428200956.GG16550@linuxmafia.com> References: <20020427154230.GF16550@linuxmafia.com> <20020428031838.GJ24493@zork.net> <20020428200956.GG16550@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20020428202053.GV24493@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > There's actually a minor potential security exposure in woody on > account of the mechanism for releasing packages from unstable. This > was the subject of some discussion on debian-devel, some months > back, involving the possibility of the security team rushing out > packages in some cases for woody in addition to potato. But they > decided the need would be too rare to justify that extra work. If the urgency of the upload was set appropriately, the lag is only two days. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Apr 28 13:23:35 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:23:35 -0700 Subject: [buug] Setting up Debian In-Reply-To: References: <20020427154230.GF16550@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20020428202335.GH16550@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Claude Rubinson (cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu): >> But are you _sure_ you want to revert to 2.2/potato? Hardly anyone uses >> it, any more, because its versions are ultra-conservative to the point >> of lunacy. And 3.0/woody is NOT the unstable branch; it's the "testing" >> branch, which has proven so extremely solid that it's exactly what's >> lead to 2.2/potato having hardly anyone using it. > > I'm not so sure how true this actually is. I have only limited experience running the testing branch on non-i386 architectures, but it's certainly proven to be true on i386. > However, many (most?) Debian users that I've met in real life are > running Potato. Most ones I've met _on-line_ long ago switched to testing. And those tend to be the ones that matter to the development process. Which was the point I was driving at: potato is a lame duck. Here's a proposition to consider: How about ignoring "release" dates for Debian, since they're almost entirely irrelevant? Because of the incremental nature of Debian's development process, there are in a functional sense three real "releases": stable, testing, and unstable. They were "released" a long time back, and they'll never actually need to be released again. I.e., somebody several years ago might have installed Debian when "stable" was v. 1.2/rex. Time passed. Once every couple of weeks, he used apt-get to resynchronise. His /etc/apt/sources.list pointed to "stable", rather than branch name "rex". So, as times passed, his system smoothly and imperceptibly auto-upgraded through 1.3/bo, 2.0/hamm, 2.1/slink, and 2.2/potato. Today, he's running a current version of 2.2/potato; two weeks ago, he was running a slightly earlier set of potato packages. The point, however, is that, from the user's perspective, _functionally_ speaking, he's installed exactly one distribution, Debian-stable, and he's still using it. It's merely improved gradually over the years. I get tired of clueless reporters and on-line pundits spilling virtual ink over Debian's "release schedule", when anyone with clue one knows it's almost utterly irrelevant. -- Cheers, Rick Moen Emacs is a decent operating system, rick at linuxmafia.com but it still lacks a good text editor. From lpan at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 15:45:33 2002 From: lpan at yahoo.com (Lawrence Pan) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] de-list my mail address Message-ID: <20020428224533.11204.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Sir, Please de-list my mail address from your mailing list. Thank you very much. Lawrence Pan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Apr 28 15:49:21 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:49:21 -0700 Subject: [buug] de-list my mail address In-Reply-To: <20020428224533.11204.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020428224533.11204.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020428224921.GN16550@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Lawrence Pan (lpan at yahoo.com): > Please de-list my mail address from your mailing list. > Thank you very much. Nope, sorry. You're stuck on here permanently, and even your bothering to follow the hyperlink at the bottom of each & every post, and following the _plain, obvious_ instructions there won't help. Sorry, you're here until you die. Learn to love it. From nick at zork.net Sun Apr 28 15:49:48 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:49:48 -0700 Subject: [buug] de-list my mail address In-Reply-To: <20020428224533.11204.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020428224533.11204.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020428224948.GD24493@zork.net> begin Lawrence Pan quotation: > Please de-list my mail address from your mailing list. > Thank you very much. It's an epidemic! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From john at jjdev.com Sun Apr 28 18:56:54 2002 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:56:54 -0700 Subject: [buug] de-list my mail address In-Reply-To: <20020428224533.11204.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020428224533.11204.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020429015654.GA13503@vette.jjdev.com> On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 03:45:33PM -0700, Lawrence Pan wrote: > Dear Sir, > > Please de-list my mail address from your mailing list. > Thank you very much. > > Lawrence Pan > Please fill out form B-232138-fa. You ISP may or may not be able to provide you with the form. After submitting the form your request will be forwarded to the right group for approval, pending your credit check. thank you... From unixjavabob at yahoo.com Mon Apr 29 09:55:15 2002 From: unixjavabob at yahoo.com (Bob Read) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] de-list my mail address In-Reply-To: <20020429015654.GA13503@vette.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <20020429165515.6506.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> John (and Lawrence), It's funny that you mention the B-232138-fa because I've been having issues with that myself. Look at this output from "truss ls debbie_gibson_mp3.zip" I got on solaris today (also known as "strace" I've been told): > truss ls debbie_gibson_mp3.zip execve("/usr/bin/ls", 0xFFBEFD2C, 0xFFBEFD34) argc = 1 stat("/usr/bin/ls", 0xFFBEFA10) = 0 open("/var/ld/ld.config", O_RDONLY) Err#2 ENOENT open("/usr/lib/libc.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 fstat(3, 0xFFBEF374) = 0 mmap(0x00000000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xFF3A0000 mmap(Humans are flawed and weak, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xFF280000 mmap(0xFF334000, Machines will rule the Earth, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 671744) = 0xFF334000 open("/dev/zero", Lawrence: WARNING! SIG-FAULT: B-232138-fa is a symbolic reference to /dev/null) = 4 mmap(0xFF33C000, 5592, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 4, 0) = 0xFF33C000 = 0 --- johnd wrote: > On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 03:45:33PM -0700, Lawrence > Pan wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > > > Please de-list my mail address from your mailing > list. > > Thank you very much. > > > > Lawrence Pan > > > > Please fill out form B-232138-fa. You ISP may or > may not be able > to provide you with the form. After submitting the > form your request > will be forwarded to the right group for approval, > pending your credit > check. > > thank you... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug ===== ----------------------------------------- Bob Read Senior Unix Administrator/DBA/Programmer cell (510)-703-1634 unixjavabob at yahoo.com ----------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From itz at speakeasy.org Mon Apr 29 10:11:08 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 29 Apr 2002 10:11:08 -0700 Subject: [buug] xconsole In-Reply-To: <86lmbp3kq7.fsf@speakeasy.org> References: <86lmbp3kq7.fsf@speakeasy.org> Message-ID: <86n0vma0r7.fsf@speakeasy.org> Ian> How do I make xconsole wrap long lines that they're all visible? Ian> I tried to add this to my ~/.Xresources: Ian> XConsole*text.wrap: 1 Ian> it doesn't help one bit. The analogous line where I change the Ian> font works as expected. Following up to myself, the correct .Xresources line is XConsole*text.wrap: line Apparently Xt enforces a distinction between Boolean and enumeration resources, and this is one of the latter. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 The world has taken on a thickness of vulgarity that raises a spiritual man's contempt to the violence of a passion. Baudelaire From hedges at ucsd.edu Tue Apr 30 00:37:02 2002 From: hedges at ucsd.edu (Mark Hedges) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 03:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] de-list my mail address In-Reply-To: <20020429165515.6506.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: He obviously needs to pipe into the socket device from the robotic actuator that comes with the special card included with the new edition of Red Hat. That is the only way you can activate your streaming android XXX auto-lube personal servant. Even a junior system administrator making $80k shafting a daemon would know that. It's why they pay me the big bucks. --m-- On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Bob Read wrote: > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:55:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Read > To: johnd > Cc: Buug at weak.org > Subject: Re: [buug] de-list my mail address > > John (and Lawrence), > It's funny that you mention the B-232138-fa because > I've been having issues with that myself. Look at > this output from "truss ls debbie_gibson_mp3.zip" I > got on solaris today (also known as "strace" I've been > told): > > > truss ls debbie_gibson_mp3.zip > execve("/usr/bin/ls", 0xFFBEFD2C, 0xFFBEFD34) argc = > 1 > stat("/usr/bin/ls", 0xFFBEFA10) = 0 > open("/var/ld/ld.config", O_RDONLY) Err#2 > ENOENT > open("/usr/lib/libc.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3 > fstat(3, 0xFFBEF374) = 0 > mmap(0x00000000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, > MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xFF3A0000 > mmap(Humans are flawed and weak, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = > 0xFF280000 > mmap(0xFF334000, Machines will rule the Earth, > PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, > 3, 671744) = 0xFF334000 > open("/dev/zero", Lawrence: WARNING! SIG-FAULT: > B-232138-fa is a symbolic reference to /dev/null) > = 4 > mmap(0xFF33C000, 5592, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC, > MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 4, 0) = 0xFF33C000 > = 0 > > > > --- johnd wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 03:45:33PM -0700, Lawrence > > Pan wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > Please de-list my mail address from your mailing > > list. > > > Thank you very much. > > > > > > Lawrence Pan > > > > > > > Please fill out form B-232138-fa. You ISP may or > > may not be able > > to provide you with the form. After submitting the > > form your request > > will be forwarded to the right group for approval, > > pending your credit > > check. > > > > thank you... > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Buug mailing list > > Buug at weak.org > > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > > ===== > ----------------------------------------- > Bob Read > Senior Unix Administrator/DBA/Programmer > cell (510)-703-1634 > unixjavabob at yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug >