From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jan 1 09:00:51 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:00:51 -0800 Subject: [buug] Multiple problems In-Reply-To: <01123122405001.02817@MandrakeServer.NorthPole.com> References: <01123122405001.02817@MandrakeServer.NorthPole.com> Message-ID: <20020101170051.GY20183@linuxmafia.com> Hi, Luis. Others may be able to be of considerably more help, as I'm not personally running FreeBSD at the moment. You also may need to resort to the main FreeBSD mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#mailing-list) or to BAFUG's (http://www.bafug.org/). Or to the relevant Usenet groups. Quoting Luis (lramos3 at satx.rr.com): > 1-the os stoped booting and would stop when the last message was the > discovery of the parallel port. This happened on an ASUS A7V board > and neither openbsd nor Linux had this problem. Moving the scsi hd to > an ASUS P2L97S board solved the problem. OK, so, when you boot FreeBSD on the P2L97S, what is the _next_ step or two that the kernel performs after discovering the parallel port? Knowing that would seem logically likely to point you in the right direction, in identifying what on the A7V FreeBSD didn't like. (Also, which FreeBSD release was this?) My knee-jerk SWAG (silly wild-assed guess) would be that either the A7V has some sort of hardware problem that trips up the kernel -- e.g., tangled hardware-resource assignments -- or that the (unidentified) FreeBSD version didn't get along with cutting-edge Athlon systems. Maybe going over all hardware and ROM BIOS Setup settings with a figurative fine-toothed comb would help? Maybe resetting the ROM BIOS settings to factory defaults? Also, I just noticed that you said "_stopped_ booting". Does this mean that it used to boot, and then later ceased doing so? Or do you mean that it stops in the middle of booting? These would be vastly different categories of problem. If that particular hardware (the A7V motherboard) _used_ to boot the (unidentified) FreeBSD version, and then ceased doing so, you would want to concentrate on identifying _what changed_ around the time the symptom arose. > 2-kde won't [start] with either 3.36 or 4.1, having [been] installed > using /stand/sysinstall, neither through startx or startkde. Any diagnostic messages sent out to stderr? Anything in logfiles? KDE is not a single thing, really, but rather a collection of X11 clients, a CORBA broker, some miscellaneous utilities, and a (default) window manager, kwm. When we say it doesn't "start", we mean in effect that either X11 or kwm gets tripped up by something. One way to diagnose the problem is to narrow down what's doing the tripping up. (I don't have any idea about your twm/sawfish issue in GNOME. If you pursue the matter, or post elsewhere about it, make sure you identify which FreeBSD release(s) it happened in.) > 3-cups would not install via the ports collection.... It would help for you to be quite specific, in describing problems like this: I.e., I performed these steps (listed), and the following output resulted (quoted). > ...had to download the tgz file and followed the instructions, > including using gmake instead of make. However, the Canon 2100C > bubblejet does not work and there is no Canon choice during printer > setup. What can I do? Moving the printer to a Linux box was no > problem, it worked fine. On the Linux box, what print filter ("driver") did you use? If memory serves, there's nothing terribly different about CUPS on Linux as compared to FreeBSD, so picking the same filter on one -- from the same or a similar set of Ghostscript and Uniprint filters -- should give the same results as on the other. Any type of printing system on Unix has tended to be a horrible mess, and CUPS is no exception, but I've found Grant Taylor's linuxprinting.org database to always be useful. He has entries for lots of specific printers, where you can find recommended filters and versions for them, and has a good page about CUPS in general here: http://www.linuxprinting.org/cups-doc.html I'm not going to be giving more-specific advice on printing problems, as it's not a strength of mine (and frankly, I don't want to get bogged down in an area of Unix I just don't like to deal with). > 4-can't use staroffice. had to do a package installation as the cdrom > would not install the program. Again, it would help for you to be quite specific, in describing such problems. "I performed the following steps" (listed). "FreeBSD gave this output to the various steps" (quoted). > What I'm looking for also, is systematic way of approaching these > problems so I can solve them myself. Now, _that_ is a good and useful question. One common problem in software diagnosis is the "too many suspects" problem: Your KDE, GNOME/sawfish/twm, and CUPS problems are cases in point. Diagnosis often consists of identifying the logical suspects, and then narrowing down the field until you identify the culprit, and you happen to have cited several rather ornate software setups, in which one does not readily know where to look first because there are too many interrelated pieces whirring about. Another common diagnostic technique is to look for relevant error output. Some useful debugging information goes to stdout. Note that such output is often suppressed when starting processes from window managers' menus and such, but fully displayed when you do the same thing from a command line. To see this point illustrated, start Mozilla from a window manager menu. Now, start it from an xterm, like this: "mozilla &" So, you could start diagnosing a KDE problem by starting with a deliberately simple starting point, by creating ~/.xinitrc as follows: /usr/bin/X11/xterm (Note that you'll have to correct the pathspec, which is almost certainly incorrect for FreeBSD.) Now, do "startx". What will result is X11 starting up with just the one xterm client, and no window manager. Now, type "kwm" in that xterm. (Again, you may need to figure out and supply the correct FreeBSD pathspec.) Does kwm start? If not, what does the stderr output state? Can you start the KDE panel process? (I _think_ it's called "panel".) Note that the above technique addresses simultaneously the "too many suspects" / simplicity problem and the concealed-stdout problem. You will possibly find other relevant error output in the system logs. Another common diagnostic technique is to start with a theory about what is causing the problem, and then gather information to try to test it. For example, you might hypothesise that the printing problem is caused by the CUPS engine, rather than by the filter. You might have identified the filter you used for your Canon (and its version), and verified that it worked on Linux. So, you might have good reason to feel that the problem lies elsewhere. OK, so, does the same filter on FreeBSD work if you use lpd or lprng instead of CUPS? A variant of the "too many suspects" problem is the "too many uncontrolled variables" problem: If you're trying to isolate the problem's cause, the worst thing you can do is change lots of variables (elements of your configuration or operating state) at the same time: Doing so _increases_ the field of suspects, rather than decreasing it. Computer novices fail to solve their problems for this reason more than any other. To the extent feasible, change only one thing at a time, and remember what you changed, when. Last, in all Unix systems, remember that many problems are related to ownership and permissions on files. Thus, it is often useful to observe that a problem exists only for non-root users, but not for the root user. (Test to see if a problem goes away when you perform the action as root.) And here is a FAQ on asking questions of technical communities, on which I collaborated with Eric S. Raymond: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html (Absolutely no offence intended: The fact that you're asking about general diagnosis techniques means you _are_ attempting to ask questions the smart way!) -- Cheers, Rick Moen "vi is my shepherd; I shall not font." rick at linuxmafia.com -- Psalm 0.1 beta From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jan 1 12:24:35 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:24:35 -0800 Subject: [buug] Multiple problems In-Reply-To: <35215.1009867570@vulture.icir.org> References: <01123122405001.02817@MandrakeServer.NorthPole.com> <35215.1009867570@vulture.icir.org> Message-ID: <20020101202435.GB20183@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Mark Handley (mjh at aciri.org): > The A7V has a known problem with disks; both SCSI and IDE disks suffer > corruption when writing large files. Luis -- Notice this means that any OS already loaded onto such a machine (prior to upgrading the BIOS) is suspect: That is, if you still had the FreeBSD-unspecified-version load on the A7V, you would have to not only upgrade the BIOS but also then _blow away and reload the installation_ before drawing any further conclusions. If one suspects that the OS was corrupted in the process of installation (as what Mark says would suggest), then all bets are off until you've eliminated that possibility. Please note that this is always a risk when trying out bleeding-edge hardware: You can always tell the pioneers by the arrows sticking out of their backs. (I'm thus always happy to let _other_ people be the first to test new hardware.) -- Cheers, Rick Moen "vi is my shepherd; I shall not font." rick at linuxmafia.com -- Psalm 0.1 beta From mjh at aciri.org Tue Jan 1 14:23:52 2002 From: mjh at aciri.org (Mark Handley) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:23:52 -0800 Subject: [buug] Multiple problems In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:24:35 PST." <20020101202435.GB20183@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <40657.1009923832@vulture.icir.org> >Notice this means that any OS already loaded onto such a machine (prior >to upgrading the BIOS) is suspect: That is, if you still had the >FreeBSD-unspecified-version load on the A7V, you would have to not only >upgrade the BIOS but also then _blow away and reload the installation_ >before drawing any further conclusions. > >If one suspects that the OS was corrupted in the process of installation >(as what Mark says would suggest), then all bets are off until you've >eliminated that possibility. I've got seven A7V systems (original A7V's, not A7V133 or A7V266): two with 1GHz Athlons and Ultra-2 SCSI, and five with 1.1GHz Athlons and Ultra 160 SCSI. I never saw corruption on the 1GHz systems, but all the 1.1GHz systems would consistently corrupt large files, with probability of perhaps 1-in-5 for files larger than 100MB. But none of them got corrupted during OS install - I run tripwire-like monitoring, so I'd know. I certainly wouldn't rule out OS corruption, but I never saw it myself. Cheers, Mark From lramos3 at satx.rr.com Tue Jan 1 18:38:29 2002 From: lramos3 at satx.rr.com (luis) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:38:29 -0600 Subject: [buug] Webmin: where are thou?!?!?!?! Message-ID: <3C3272A5.6090807@satx.rr.com> Here's another one: went to #/usr/local/ports/sysutils/webmin, did make then make install but don't know where the webmin executalbe is located. Doing a #find / -name webmin showed only the following: /usr/local/lib/webmin, /usr/local/lib/webmin/caldera/webmin, /usr/local/lib/webmin/webmin, /usr/ports/sysutils/webmin, /usr/ports/sysutils/webmin/work/webmin-0.87/webmin, /usr/ports/sysutils/webmin/work/webmin-0.87/caldera/webmin. I then went to /usr/local/lib/webmin, chmod 700 /config-freebsd and received "auxwwww: not found". Also, I don't have an /etc/webmin/start. What is going on? Thanks. Luis From mjh at aciri.org Tue Jan 1 19:01:07 2002 From: mjh at aciri.org (Mark Handley) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 19:01:07 -0800 Subject: [buug] Webmin: where are thou?!?!?!?! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:38:29 CST." <3C3272A5.6090807@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <41823.1009940467@vulture.icir.org> > Here's another one: went to #/usr/local/ports/sysutils/webmin, did >make then make install but don't know where the webmin executalbe is >located. Doing a #find / -name webmin showed only the following: >/usr/local/lib/webmin, /usr/local/lib/webmin/caldera/webmin, >/usr/local/lib/webmin/webmin, /usr/ports/sysutils/webmin, >/usr/ports/sysutils/webmin/work/webmin-0.87/webmin, >/usr/ports/sysutils/webmin/work/webmin-0.87/caldera/webmin. I then went >to /usr/local/lib/webmin, chmod 700 /config-freebsd and received >"auxwwww: not found". Also, I don't have an /etc/webmin/start. What >is going on? Thanks. Luis The way to find out where a port was installed is: pkg_info To tell you what all the package names are. Find the one you want. Then pkg_info -f to find out what was installed where. Cheers, Mark From rower at MovieEditor.com Wed Jan 2 13:15:32 2002 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:15:32 -0800 Subject: [buug] Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) References: <20011210121542.I24061@madhack.com> <20011211125354.N20495@navel.introspect> <20020102081709.GO20183@linuxmafia.com> <864rm4eor6.fsf@speakeasy.org> <20020102174343.GT20183@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <004101c193d2$9db821f0$0201a8c0@rowboat> The Berkeley Unix Users Group (BUUG) meets at Au Coquelet on Thursday (tomorrow) at 7pm. I don't represent BUUG, but that seems a nice small informal group -- less than ten of us when I stopped by at the Au Coquelet BUUG meeting a few weeks ago. I propose that we Debian Linux users have our East Bay BAD get-together at Au Coquelet on Thursday at 7pm. There should be plenty of room in the back, at least there was last time. Maybe we can gain a bit more critical mass. I'll be ready to chat about Debian, desktop Linux, graphics, C++, and OSS projects if anyone is interested in those things. See you tomorrow night! Cheers, Robin P.S. Au Coquelet is one block NW from the Berkeley BART station. Directions on the BUUG page at http://www.weak.org/buug/. From itz at speakeasy.org Wed Jan 2 13:08:16 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 02 Jan 2002 13:08:16 -0800 Subject: [buug] Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) In-Reply-To: <004101c193d2$9db821f0$0201a8c0@rowboat> References: <20011210121542.I24061@madhack.com> <20011211125354.N20495@navel.introspect> <20020102081709.GO20183@linuxmafia.com> <864rm4eor6.fsf@speakeasy.org> <20020102174343.GT20183@linuxmafia.com> <004101c193d2$9db821f0$0201a8c0@rowboat> Message-ID: <86advwfolb.fsf@speakeasy.org> Robin> P.S. Au Coquelet is one block NW from the Berkeley BART Robin> station. Directions on the BUUG page at 2 blocks, if the Repertory Theatre hasn't fallen victim to terror yet. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 In his own soul a man bears the source from which he draws all his sorrows and his joys. Sophocles. From cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu Wed Jan 2 13:15:16 2002 From: cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:15:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [buug] Re: Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) In-Reply-To: <87vgekmpfu.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Message-ID: On 2 Jan 2002, Ben Pfaff wrote: > Is it safe for a Stanford student to attend a Berkeley Unix Users > Group meeting? as long as it's not a game day, you should be fine. still, you may want to bring some mace just in case... From blp at cs.stanford.edu Wed Jan 2 13:08:05 2002 From: blp at cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) Date: 02 Jan 2002 13:08:05 -0800 Subject: [buug] Re: Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) In-Reply-To: <004101c193d2$9db821f0$0201a8c0@rowboat> References: <20011210121542.I24061@madhack.com> <20011211125354.N20495@navel.introspect> <20020102081709.GO20183@linuxmafia.com> <864rm4eor6.fsf@speakeasy.org> <20020102174343.GT20183@linuxmafia.com> <004101c193d2$9db821f0$0201a8c0@rowboat> Message-ID: <87vgekmpfu.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> "Robin Rowe" writes: > The Berkeley Unix Users Group (BUUG) meets at Au Coquelet on Thursday > (tomorrow) at 7pm. I don't represent BUUG, but that seems a nice small > informal group -- less than ten of us when I stopped by at the Au Coquelet > BUUG meeting a few weeks ago. Is it safe for a Stanford student to attend a Berkeley Unix Users Group meeting? -- Stanford PhD Student - MSU Alumnus - Debian Maintainer - GNU Developer Personal webpage: http://www.msu.edu/~pfaffben From randolph at tausq.org Wed Jan 2 13:15:52 2002 From: randolph at tausq.org (Randolph Chung) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:15:52 -0800 Subject: [buug] Re: Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) In-Reply-To: <87vgekmpfu.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> References: <20011210121542.I24061@madhack.com> <20011211125354.N20495@navel.introspect> <20020102081709.GO20183@linuxmafia.com> <864rm4eor6.fsf@speakeasy.org> <20020102174343.GT20183@linuxmafia.com> <004101c193d2$9db821f0$0201a8c0@rowboat> <87vgekmpfu.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20020102211551.GV28925@tausq.org> > Is it safe for a Stanford student to attend a Berkeley Unix Users > Group meeting? Only if you bring the tree with you. randolph -- Debian Developer http://www.TauSq.org/ From sobolak at myrealbox.com Wed Jan 2 13:27:23 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:27:23 -0800 Subject: [buug] Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) In-Reply-To: <86advwfolb.fsf@speakeasy.org> References: <20011210121542.I24061@madhack.com> <20011211125354.N20495@navel.introspect> <20020102081709.GO20183@linuxmafia.com> <864rm4eor6.fsf@speakeasy.org> <20020102174343.GT20183@linuxmafia.com> <004101c193d2$9db821f0$0201a8c0@rowboat> <86advwfolb.fsf@speakeasy.org> Message-ID: <14915682069.20020102132723@myrealbox.com> hi Wednesday, January 02, 2002, 1:08:16 PM, you wrote: IZ> 2 blocks, if the Repertory Theatre hasn't fallen victim to terror IZ> yet. Was there the threat of the Rep being under attack? People hiding bombs in their black turtlenecks? brian -- Got work? http://www.planetshwoop.com/resume/ This is how I think: http://www.planetshwoop.com/blog/ Brian Sobolak sobolak at myrealbox.com From deirdre at deirdre.net Wed Jan 2 14:43:43 2002 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse Moen) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:43:43 -0800 Subject: [buug] Re: Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) In-Reply-To: <87vgekmpfu.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> References: <20011210121542.I24061@madhack.com> <20011211125354.N20495@navel.introspect> <20020102081709.GO20183@linuxmafia.com> <864rm4eor6.fsf@speakeasy.org> <20020102174343.GT20183@linuxmafia.com> <004101c193d2$9db821f0$0201a8c0@rowboat> <87vgekmpfu.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Message-ID: At 1:08 PM -0800 1/2/02, Ben Pfaff wrote: >"Robin Rowe" writes: > >> The Berkeley Unix Users Group (BUUG) meets at Au Coquelet on Thursday >> (tomorrow) at 7pm. I don't represent BUUG, but that seems a nice small >> informal group -- less than ten of us when I stopped by at the Au Coquelet >> BUUG meeting a few weeks ago. > >Is it safe for a Stanford student to attend a Berkeley Unix Users >Group meeting? Sure, but you WILL be enlisted into making anti-Stanford signs for the various sporting teams, you understand. -- _Deirdre * http://deirdre.net "I live in comfort knowing that my early works were not printed on acid-free paper." -- Lawrence Block From jrcow97 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 3 10:57:35 2002 From: jrcow97 at yahoo.com (Jerry Cheung) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:57:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] Re: Buug digest, Vol 1 #258 - 7 msgs In-Reply-To: <200201031537.HAA20416@weak.org> Message-ID: <20020103185735.59072.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> I'm a high school student in Albany (small city next to Berkeley), and I've caught the Linux bug :> I've ran Red Hat 6 for about 2 years, and I've just installed Debian. It has some problems though. There's only a base system with no X windows. I hope someone can help me with that tonight. I went to one other meeting before, but there was no one there :< --- buug-admin at weak.org wrote: > > Send Buug mailing list submissions to > buug at weak.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > buug-request at weak.org > You can reach the person managing the list at > buug-admin at weak.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Buug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) (Robin Rowe) > 2. Re: Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) (Ian > Zimmerman) > 3. Re: Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) (Claude > Rubinson) > 4. Re: Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) (Ben > Pfaff) > 5. Re: Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) > (Randolph Chung) > 6. Re[2]: [buug] Berkeley get-together (BAD + > BUUG) (Brian Sobolak) > 7. Re: Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) (Deirdre > Saoirse Moen) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Robin Rowe" > To: , > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:15:32 -0800 > charset="iso-8859-1" > Subject: [buug] Berkeley get-together (BAD + BUUG) > > The Berkeley Unix Users Group (BUUG) meets at Au > Coquelet on Thursday > (tomorrow) at 7pm. I don't represent BUUG, but that > seems a nice small > informal group -- less than ten of us when I stopped > by at the Au Coquelet > BUUG meeting a few weeks ago. > > I propose that we Debian Linux users have our East > Bay BAD get-together at > Au Coquelet on Thursday at 7pm. There should be > plenty of room in the back, > at least there was last time. Maybe we can gain a > bit more critical mass. > I'll be ready to chat about Debian, desktop Linux, > graphics, C++, and OSS > projects if anyone is interested in those things. > > See you tomorrow night! > > Cheers, > > Robin > > P.S. Au Coquelet is one block NW from the Berkeley > BART station. Directions > on the BUUG page at http://www.weak.org/buug/. > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > To: "Robin Rowe" > Cc: , > Subject: Re: [buug] Berkeley get-together (BAD + > BUUG) > <20011211125354.N20495 at navel.introspect> > <20020102081709.GO20183 at linuxmafia.com> > <864rm4eor6.fsf at speakeasy.org> > <20020102174343.GT20183 at linuxmafia.com> > <004101c193d2$9db821f0$0201a8c0 at rowboat> > From: Ian Zimmerman > Date: 02 Jan 2002 13:08:16 -0800 > > > Robin> P.S. Au Coquelet is one block NW from the > Berkeley BART > Robin> station. Directions on the BUUG page at > > 2 blocks, if the Repertory Theatre hasn't fallen > victim to terror > yet. > > -- > Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. > GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 > 27DB 433B A087 > In his own soul a man bears the source > from which he draws all his sorrows and his joys. > Sophocles. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:15:16 -0500 (EST) > From: Claude Rubinson > To: Ben Pfaff > cc: bad at bad.debian.net, buug at weak.org > Subject: [buug] Re: Berkeley get-together (BAD + > BUUG) > > On 2 Jan 2002, Ben Pfaff wrote: > > > Is it safe for a Stanford student to attend a > Berkeley Unix Users > > Group meeting? > > as long as it's not a game day, you should be fine. > still, you may want > to bring some mace just in case... > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > To: , > <20011211125354.N20495 at navel.introspect> > <20020102081709.GO20183 at linuxmafia.com> > <864rm4eor6.fsf at speakeasy.org> > <20020102174343.GT20183 at linuxmafia.com> > <004101c193d2$9db821f0$0201a8c0 at rowboat> > Reply-To: blp at cs.stanford.edu > From: Ben Pfaff > Date: 02 Jan 2002 13:08:05 -0800 > Subject: [buug] Re: Berkeley get-together (BAD + > BUUG) > > "Robin Rowe" writes: > > > The Berkeley Unix Users Group (BUUG) meets at Au > Coquelet on Thursday > > (tomorrow) at 7pm. I don't represent BUUG, but > that seems a nice small > > informal group -- less than ten of us when I > stopped by at the Au Coquelet > > BUUG meeting a few weeks ago. > > Is it safe for a Stanford student to attend a > Berkeley Unix Users > Group meeting? > -- > > > Stanford PhD Student - MSU Alumnus - Debian > Maintainer - GNU Developer > Personal webpage: http://www.msu.edu/~pfaffben > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:15:52 -0800 > From: Randolph Chung > To: Ben Pfaff > Cc: bad at bad.debian.net, buug at weak.org > Reply-To: Randolph Chung > Subject: [buug] Re: Berkeley get-together (BAD + > BUUG) > > > Is it safe for a Stanford student to attend a > Berkeley Unix Users > > Group meeting? > > Only if you bring the tree with you. > > randolph > -- > Debian Developer > http://www.TauSq.org/ > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:27:23 -0800 > From: Brian Sobolak > Reply-To: Brian Sobolak > To: Ian Zimmerman > CC: "Robin Rowe" , > bad at bad.debian.net, buug at weak.org > Subject: Re[2]: [buug] Berkeley get-together (BAD + > BUUG) > <20011211125354.N20495 at navel.introspect> > <20020102081709.GO20183 at linuxmafia.com> > <864rm4eor6.fsf at speakeasy.org> > <20020102174343.GT20183 at linuxmafia.com> > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From jammer at weak.org Thu Jan 3 11:03:31 2002 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:03:31 -0800 Subject: [buug] Re: Buug digest, Vol 1 #258 - 7 msgs In-Reply-To: <20020103185735.59072.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com>; from jrcow97@yahoo.com on Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 10:57:35AM -0800 References: <200201031537.HAA20416@weak.org> <20020103185735.59072.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020103110331.A21355@weak.org> On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 10:57:35AM -0800, Jerry Cheung wrote: > I'm a high school student in Albany (small city next > to Berkeley), and I've caught the Linux bug :> I've > ran Red Hat 6 for about 2 years, and I've just > installed Debian. It has some problems though. > There's only a base system with no X windows. I hope > someone can help me with that tonight. I went to one > other meeting before, but there was no one there :< As root: 'apt-get install task-x-window-system'. Come to the meeting tonight; I'll be there, but I tend to leave early (around 8:00-8:15) to go to dinner... -Jon From feedle at feedle.net Thu Jan 3 23:37:16 2002 From: feedle at feedle.net (C. Sullivan) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:37:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [buug] Re: BAD + BUUG.... In-Reply-To: <878zbeeulm.fsf@pfaff.stanford.edu> Message-ID: (delurk, and CC'd to buug as it's relevant topic there as well) As someone who was a longtime attender of BUUG, it might be a Good Thing (tm) for BAD to meet somewhere else on another night. Not that I wouldn't welcome Bay Area Debian, but just that BUUG was more about schmooze than anything serious, and it sounds like many in BAD want more structure. BUUG has never (to my knowledge) had anything remotely like a "speaker", and often times the topic of conversation wanders far off things *NIXian (for example, into mystical religions and libertarian politics). Well, maybe mystical religions and libertarian politics isn't really that far off the topic, but you get the point nonetheless. But, as Rick can certainly attest, BUUG is certainly a neat thing, and everybody is always welcome to come and "in our geekness, let us schmooze." Of course, I'm so far behind on my E-mail that I'm writing this well after this week's BUUG meeting... (sigh) -Fedl From rower at MovieEditor.com Fri Jan 4 00:15:22 2002 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:15:22 -0800 Subject: [buug] Berkeley BAD + BUUG recap Message-ID: <005401c194f7$f58dfa00$0201a8c0@rowboat> Meeting in conjunction with the BUUG group tonight seemed to work well. Gave us about a dozen all together. Fun talking about C++ and code porting, OSS vs. ALSA sound, Debian printing, Gnome, and KDE. Thanks to everyone who talked with me, and sorry if I missed you at the other end of the table. I plan to make this an ongoing thing, to have an informal Berkeley BAD group that meets at Au Coquelet on the first Thursday at 7pm. Note this is a separate meeting from the traditional BAD meeting on the 9th that rotates to various locations. It is intended to be in addition to, not instead of. FYI, in the past I've founded and run a large users group with speakers. Since someboday asked, I'm definitely in low maintenance schmooze mode -- not looking to repeat the effort necessary to procure monthly speakers and draw hundreds of attendees. I don't have the time. Cheers, Robin From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jan 4 00:20:49 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:20:49 -0800 Subject: [buug] Berkeley BAD + BUUG recap In-Reply-To: <005401c194f7$f58dfa00$0201a8c0@rowboat> References: <005401c194f7$f58dfa00$0201a8c0@rowboat> Message-ID: <20020104082049.GE12923@linuxmafia.com> [Cross-post retained; Reply-To set to BAD.] Quoting Robin Rowe (rower at MovieEditor.com): > I plan to make this an ongoing thing, to have an informal Berkeley BAD group > that meets at Au Coquelet on the first Thursday at 7pm. If you/anyone includes these events on a Web page (preferably with meeting dates, i.e, maintained regularly) that I can link to, I'll be delighted to publicise them on http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ . -- Cheers, "Learning Java has been a slow and tortuous process for me. Every Rick Moen few minutes, I start screaming 'No, you fools!' and have to go rick at linuxmafia.com read something from _Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs_ to de-stress." -- The Cube, www.forum3000.org From john at jjdev.com Mon Jan 7 09:50:51 2002 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:50:51 -0800 Subject: [buug] wireless accesspoint Message-ID: <20020107175051.GA11073@vette.jjdev.com> I am trying to setup my a wireless network with my laptop. I have found a orinoco (lucent chipset) card to use. Now I need a 'access point'. I don't want a full wireless router. The guy I buy my hardware from told me that most of these access points need to be configured (chanel, encryption, etc) and there are no linux programs to do this. I don't have a windows box running, so I can't configure the device. he told me the routers typically have a web based admin utility, but I don't want a rull router. Is anybody here doing wireless? If so, what kind of access point are you using? -- The great thing about Object Oriented code is that it can make small, simple problems look like large, complex ones. From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jan 7 10:03:01 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:03:01 -0800 Subject: [buug] wireless accesspoint In-Reply-To: <20020107175051.GA11073@vette.jjdev.com> References: <20020107175051.GA11073@vette.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <20020107180301.GK24762@linuxmafia.com> Quoting johnd (john at jjdev.com): > Is anybody here doing wireless? If so, what kind of access point are > you using? My friend Nick Moffitt is very happy with his LinkSys access point. But your best source of information is likely to be BAWUG: http://www.bawug.org/ From rower at MovieEditor.com Mon Jan 14 22:59:36 2002 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:59:36 -0800 Subject: [buug] Open Source Programmer Group Meeting (Jan 17) References: <200201031537.HAA20416@weak.org> <20020103185735.59072.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> <20020103110331.A21355@weak.org> Message-ID: <00d301c19d92$3242cff0$0201a8c0@rowboat> Open Source Programmer Group Meeting January 17, 2002 (third Thursday) 7-9 pm Cafe Au Coquelet (back room) 2000 University Ave. Berkeley, California Open invitation to attend a free informal monthly get-together to discuss issues relevant to open source programmers. Anyone working on open source or wanting to work on open source is welcome. People may discuss whatever they like, but here are some suggested OSS topics to get the ball rolling: 1. How to choose a project to join 2. Creating a prototype 3. Challenges extending existing projects 4. Tips for CVS, autoconf, make, C/C++ 5. Choosing an IDE 6. Adding a GUI 7. Getting help Because nobody has time to attend every Linux-related event it seems convenient to co-locate. We meet at the same time and location as BUUG, the Berkeley Unix Users Group, but are an independent group. Details on this Web page: http://www.movieeditor.com/open-source-programmer/index.html Look forward to seeing you Thursday. Please direct any comments or questions off-list. Cheers, Robin From itz at speakeasy.org Mon Jan 14 23:05:48 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 14 Jan 2002 23:05:48 -0800 Subject: [buug] Open Source Programmer Group Meeting (Jan 17) In-Reply-To: <00d301c19d92$3242cff0$0201a8c0@rowboat> References: <200201031537.HAA20416@weak.org> <20020103185735.59072.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> <20020103110331.A21355@weak.org> <00d301c19d92$3242cff0$0201a8c0@rowboat> Message-ID: <866664856b.fsf@speakeasy.org> Robin> Open Source Programmer Group Meeting Robin> January 17, 2002 (third Thursday) 7-9 pm Robin> Cafe Au Coquelet (back room) Robin> 2000 University Ave. Robin> Berkeley, California Robin> Open invitation to attend a free informal monthly get-together to discuss Robin> issues relevant to open source programmers. Robin> Because nobody has time to attend every Linux-related event it seems Robin> convenient to co-locate. We meet at the same time and location as BUUG, the Robin> Berkeley Unix Users Group, but are an independent group. Just for the record, that means that I, who enjoyed the atmosphere of the old BUUG meetings by far the best of all the groups around, will not attend. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 In his own soul a man bears the source from which he draws all his sorrows and his joys. Sophocles. From cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu Tue Jan 15 10:45:12 2002 From: cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:45:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [buug] Open Source Programmer Group Meeting (Jan 17) In-Reply-To: <866664856b.fsf@speakeasy.org> Message-ID: While I'm not quite ready to stop attending the BUUG meetings, I have to say that it's also crossed my mind. I've always found BUUG to be really special; indeed, to date, it's the only user-group that I attend regularly. To my mind, that BUUG is informal and intimate is only part of its appeal. Even more important is BUUG's openness. All flavors of Unix are discussed, anybody (developer, user, newbie) is welcome, and political debates (open source vs free software, Windows vs Unix) are virtually non-existent. Unlike so many other user groups, I can't imagine that anyone would feel out of place at BUUG. But I fear that large influxes of specific groups (for example, Debian users or open source developers) will change that dynamic. We've already lost one valuable member in the form of Ian, it would be a shame to lose more. Robin, I think that it's great that you're interested in forming other user-groups in the East Bay Area. As I mentioned to tluxt, I'd certainly be interested in attending an East-Bay chapter of BAD. But could I suggest that rather than piggybacking on top of BUUG, that these others groups meet on a different day? In fact, this may be best all around as it would allow each group to evolve it's own culture, specific to the interests of its members. Claude On 14 Jan 2002, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > Just for the record, that means that I, who enjoyed the atmosphere of > the old BUUG meetings by far the best of all the groups around, will > not attend. > From NO_SPAM_wfhoney at pacbell.net Tue Jan 15 19:06:37 2002 From: NO_SPAM_wfhoney at pacbell.net (Bill Honeycutt) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:06:37 -0800 Subject: [buug] Open Source Programmer Group Meeting (Jan 17) References: Message-ID: <3C44EE3D.105C2E62@pacbell.net> I would second Claude's and Ian's feeling, that combining another group with the existing BUUGers (ahem) would change the experience. Regulars who come to BUUG are more interested in the intangible benefits of associating with technically gifted (or inclined) individuals. Could the meetings be staggered? BUUG is a twice monthly gig. Couldn't BAD interlace with that schedule? Both groups have their strengths, but we may be looking at an oil-and-water situation. Just my 2 kopecks. Claude Rubinson wrote: > > Robin, I think that it's great that you're interested in forming other > user-groups in the East Bay Area. As I mentioned to tluxt, I'd certainly > be interested in attending an East-Bay chapter of BAD. But could I > suggest that rather than piggybacking on top of BUUG, that these others > groups meet on a different day? In fact, this may be best all around as > it would allow each group to evolve it's own culture, specific to the > interests of its members. > > Claude > > On 14 Jan 2002, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > > > > Just for the record, that means that I, who enjoyed the atmosphere of > > the old BUUG meetings by far the best of all the groups around, will > > not attend. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From jammer at weak.org Tue Jan 15 21:58:42 2002 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:58:42 -0800 Subject: [buug] Open Source Programmer Group Meeting (Jan 17) In-Reply-To: <00d301c19d92$3242cff0$0201a8c0@rowboat>; from rower@MovieEditor.com on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 10:59:36PM -0800 References: <200201031537.HAA20416@weak.org> <20020103185735.59072.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> <20020103110331.A21355@weak.org> <00d301c19d92$3242cff0$0201a8c0@rowboat> Message-ID: <20020115215842.A31196@weak.org> Hey folks, As the only founder of BUUG who is still in the Bay Area and a part of the group, I feel I should say something here. BUUG was created because we were looking for a casual setting to meet, hang out, and talk about various things geek. We chose the UUG (Unix User Group) moniker because that was a common interest among us, and because we felt it was fairly inclusive and relaxed, much like we wanted the group to be. Anyone is welcome to attend the meetings. Any topic is open to discussion (and probably already has been discussed at great length). There is no format, there are no presentations, and any attempt at structure would probably fail miserably. The only orginizational details we worry about are were to place the sign (if I remembered to bring it), and how to arrange the tables to best facilitate conversation. Robin, I applaud your efforts at creating more forums for open dialog. However, I don't think it's appropriate that it should be tacked onto the existing BUUG meetings, and I wish you would have consulted me before announcing this. You (and anyone else for that matter), are welcome to come and discuss the ins and outs of open source programming. But don't be suprised to find that people have their opinions and hold them dearly, no matter how insipid or closed minded you believe them to be. End of discussion. I hope to see you all on Thursday. -Jon From rower at MovieEditor.com Wed Jan 16 09:00:04 2002 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:00:04 -0800 Subject: [buug] Open Source Programmer Group Meeting (Jan 17) References: <200201031537.HAA20416@weak.org> <20020103185735.59072.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> <20020103110331.A21355@weak.org> <00d301c19d92$3242cff0$0201a8c0@rowboat> <20020115215842.A31196@weak.org> Message-ID: <004901c19eaf$4b1fdf90$0201a8c0@rowboat> Jon, Glad to hear from you. I was wondering when I would hear back regarding my private emails to you requesting your input. As you are aware, I see BUUG as your group. Changing the location for the Open Source Programmer Group by tomorrow isn't feasible. Au Coquelet is a public place with room for hundreds of people. Most of the patrons there have no awareness of BUUG. We can exist separately in the same space. Cheers, Robin From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jan 16 09:43:17 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:43:17 -0800 Subject: [buug] Open Source Programmer Group Meeting (Jan 17) In-Reply-To: <004901c19eaf$4b1fdf90$0201a8c0@rowboat> References: <200201031537.HAA20416@weak.org> <20020103185735.59072.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> <20020103110331.A21355@weak.org> <00d301c19d92$3242cff0$0201a8c0@rowboat> <20020115215842.A31196@weak.org> <004901c19eaf$4b1fdf90$0201a8c0@rowboat> Message-ID: <20020116174317.GZ9884@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Robin Rowe (rower at MovieEditor.com): > Changing the location for the Open Source Programmer Group by tomorrow > isn't feasible. Au Coquelet is a public place with room for hundreds > of people. Most of the patrons there have no awareness of BUUG. We > can exist separately in the same space. I'm sure these matters can be reasonably dealt with by people of good will. Perhaps you wouldn't mind clarifying: Since you've now heard a pretty clear message from four BUUG regulars (Jon McClintock, Ian Zimmerman, Bill Honeycutt, Claude Rubinson) objecting to the likely effect on BUUG's atmosphere, will you at least be using _separate_ tablespace in Cafe Au Coquelet's back room for your two new user groups? (For those who weren't following the preceding details, Robin is founding an Open Source Programmer Group, meeting 3rd Thursdays, 7-9pm at Cafe Au Coquelet, and a Linux Graphics Group, meeting 1st Thursdays, 7-9pm at Cafe Au Coquelet. Those overlap BUUG's two monthly meeting location and times, by design.) http://www.movieeditor.com/open-source-programmer/ http://www.movieeditor.com/linux-graphics/ Disclaimer: I have no personal interest in stake, being only an occasional visitor, but am speaking as a sympathetic observer. I'm not speaking for anyone else, or any group. From bernie at e-mich.com Wed Jan 16 23:01:57 2002 From: bernie at e-mich.com (Michigan Connect, LLC) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:01:57 -0500 Subject: [buug] Hi I am new Dual Homed IP Problems Message-ID: <002101c19f24$da5f4400$0b1da841@MC> I have a quetions regarding Dual Homed system. I run a web server, OS FreeBSD 4.3 , Iam alos running BGP4 between Sprint and Cable and Wirless. I had assigned a class C to my router form Sprint that was 65.168.xx.xxx, and havebee giving out those IP's to host that do web hostng on my servers. I ran out of Ip's and requested a /22 from Cable and Wireless. they provided me with 204.188.xx.xx, I have one NIC card in this server and need to add the additonal Cable and Wireless IP's, but nothing I try is working. I used ifconfig and stil cant get them to work I can ping the .1 address in the /22 but that is it. any help would be greatly appreciated, Bernie-- From john at jjdev.com Wed Jan 23 07:41:31 2002 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:41:31 -0800 Subject: [buug] pro recording tools Message-ID: <20020123154131.GA9094@vette.jjdev.com> A friend of mine currently uses windows. The problem is, he is semi- inteligent. He does profesional grade recording of music. He uses a program called Cubase VST/32 for recording with an external USB D/A convertor. I am telling him to switch to a *nix of some flavor...(I happen to use linux). I usually tell people, you can do it better with unix. He has says he has searched the web and found no high quality recording tools. Does anyone know of any pro quality recording studios that use any type of *nix tools? -- The great thing about Object Oriented code is that it can make small, simple problems look like large, complex ones. From rower at MovieEditor.com Wed Jan 23 09:52:02 2002 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:52:02 -0800 Subject: [buug] pro recording tools References: <20020123154131.GA9094@vette.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <004401c1a436$aae3ce50$0201a8c0@rowboat> Linux Journal has an article, "Setting up a Multitrack Audio Recording Studio" (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4814). Besides Broadcast2000 mentioned there you may want to research Ardour, Xsnd, Sweep, Audacity, ASIA, Acon, and AudioCutter. As far as I am aware there are no Linux audio tools comparable to pro tools available for Windows. If you find otherwise please let me know. Cheers, Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "johnd" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 7:41 AM Subject: [buug] pro recording tools > A friend of mine currently uses windows. The problem is, he is semi- > inteligent. > He does profesional grade recording of music. He uses a program > called Cubase VST/32 for recording with an external USB D/A > convertor. > > I am telling him to switch to a *nix of some flavor...(I happen to > use linux). > > I usually tell people, you can do it better with unix. He has says > he has searched the web and found no high quality recording tools. > > Does anyone know of any pro quality recording studios that use > any type of *nix tools? > > > > -- > The great thing about Object Oriented code is that it can make small, > simple problems look like large, complex ones. > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From bill at wiliweld.com Fri Jan 25 05:26:46 2002 From: bill at wiliweld.com (Bill Schoolcraft) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:26:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] [ultra-10] Error opening terminal: xterm Message-ID: Hello Family, I'm running a (headless) Ultra-10 here at home dual-booted with Linux and Solaris-8. I'm ssh'd into the Solaris-8 box that has Lynx installed and from my FreeBSD box I was attempting to run Lynx. The error I get is: Error opening terminal: xterm I've serched http://www.google.com/linux and http://www.google.com and can't seem to find anything that helps. TIA -- Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 -o) San Francisco CA 94121 /\ "UNIX, A Way Of Life." _\_v http://forwardslashunix.com From dave at dselders.org Fri Jan 25 13:27:34 2002 From: dave at dselders.org (David Selders) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:27:34 -0800 Subject: [buug] [ultra-10] Error opening terminal: xterm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020125132733.A3766@catharsis.dselders.org> On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 05:26:46AM -0800, Bill Schoolcraft wrote: > I'm ssh'd into the Solaris-8 box that has Lynx installed and from my > FreeBSD box I was attempting to run Lynx. The error I get is: > > Error opening terminal: xterm > I could be wrong, but it sounds like you don't have termcap entry for xterm. You can either change your terminal type or get a termcap that has an entry for xterm. I think the Solaris software companion cd has a pkg with a lot more terminal definitions than what comes with Solaris 8. -- David Selders dave at dselders.org Martinez, Ca From dave at dselders.org Fri Jan 25 13:28:32 2002 From: dave at dselders.org (David Selders) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:28:32 -0800 Subject: [buug] [ultra-10] Error opening terminal: xterm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020125132831.B3766@catharsis.dselders.org> On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 05:26:46AM -0800, Bill Schoolcraft wrote: > I'm ssh'd into the Solaris-8 box that has Lynx installed and from my > FreeBSD box I was attempting to run Lynx. The error I get is: > > Error opening terminal: xterm > I could be wrong, but it sounds like you don't have termcap entry for xterm. You can either change your terminal type or get a termcap that has an entry for xterm. I think the Solaris software companion cd has a pkg with a lot more terminal definitions than what comes with Solaris 8. -- David Selders dave at dselders.org Martinez, Ca From jrcow97 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 10:58:13 2002 From: jrcow97 at yahoo.com (Jerry Cheung) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:58:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] cdrom - invalid device Message-ID: <20020126185813.18839.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Hey everyone. I just recently swapped an old-cdrom for a slightly faster one on my RedHat 7.1 box. It's an Atapti 32X/AKU. However, now when I try to mount a cd, it calls it an invalid device. I didn't modify fstab, or anything else. What's the problem? Is there a way to rescan the device? Thanks, jrcow __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From rower at MovieEditor.com Tue Jan 29 14:12:34 2002 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:12:34 -0800 Subject: [buug] pro recording tools References: <20020123154131.GA9094@vette.jjdev.com> <004401c1a436$aae3ce50$0201a8c0@rowboat> Message-ID: <005a01c1a912$0da1af50$0201a8c0@rowboat> A few suggestions: Audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Protux http://protux.sourceforge.net/ SLab http://www.slabexchange.org/ Sweep http://sweep.sourceforge.net/ Robin From john at jjdev.com Wed Jan 30 06:56:24 2002 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:56:24 -0800 Subject: [buug] pro recording tools In-Reply-To: <005a01c1a912$0da1af50$0201a8c0@rowboat> References: <20020123154131.GA9094@vette.jjdev.com> <004401c1a436$aae3ce50$0201a8c0@rowboat> <005a01c1a912$0da1af50$0201a8c0@rowboat> Message-ID: <20020130145624.GD3901@vette.jjdev.com> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 02:12:34PM -0800, Robin Rowe wrote: > A few suggestions: > > Audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ > Protux http://protux.sourceforge.net/ > SLab http://www.slabexchange.org/ > Sweep http://sweep.sourceforge.net/ > > Robin Thanks for the links...but his D/A convertor converts to 24 bit and he needs MIDI recording as well. those tools don't support 24 bit and midi (he tells me) From rower at MovieEditor.com Wed Jan 30 17:25:43 2002 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:25:43 -0800 Subject: [buug] pro recording tools References: <20020123154131.GA9094@vette.jjdev.com> <004401c1a436$aae3ce50$0201a8c0@rowboat> <005a01c1a912$0da1af50$0201a8c0@rowboat> <20020130145624.GD3901@vette.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <006101c1a9f6$3400ef50$0201a8c0@rowboat> For MIDI you might be interested in these: http://anthem.sourceforge.net/ http://www.arts-project.org/ http://brahms.sourceforge.net/ http://www.jazzware.com/cgi-bin/Zope.cgi/jazzware/ http://nosuch.com/keykit/ http://muse.seh.de/ http://www.pawfal.org/SpiralSynth/ http://www.pawfal.org/Software/SSM/ http://www.goice.co.jp/member/mo/timidity/ I haven't looked at 24-bit. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "johnd" To: "Robin Rowe" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [buug] pro recording tools > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 02:12:34PM -0800, Robin Rowe wrote: > > A few suggestions: > > > > Audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ > > Protux http://protux.sourceforge.net/ > > SLab http://www.slabexchange.org/ > > Sweep http://sweep.sourceforge.net/ > > > > Robin > > Thanks for the links...but his D/A convertor converts to 24 bit and he > needs MIDI recording as well. > > those tools don't support 24 bit and midi (he tells me) > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug