From jammer at weak.org Fri Jul 12 14:19:18 2002 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:19:18 -0700 Subject: [buug] Testing... Message-ID: <20020712141918.C24171@weak.org> Testing... -Jon From jammer at weak.org Fri Jul 12 14:46:54 2002 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:46:54 -0700 Subject: [buug] Testing #2 Message-ID: <20020712144654.E24171@weak.org> Another test... From atporter at primate.net Mon Jul 15 16:16:08 2002 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:16:08 -0700 Subject: [buug] Casual Encryption Message-ID: <20020715231608.GY19338@primate.net> Just a quick plea for all you guys to seriously consider enabling SMTP-TLS on any and all mail servers they control. With the US government in Ashcroft juggernaut mode for the forseable future, I fear that the use of encryption will quickly become a red flag for further observation. If we can reach a point where a sizable portion of SMTP traffic is encrypted regardless of the content we can reduce any implications of sending encrypted mail. Probably doesn't make your standard Carnivore install too happy either. To clarify, using TLS is definately not as good as PGP/GPG, it only encrypts the links between servers -- if your MX host isn't trustworthy, they can get plaintext. TLS is just one small step towards a more private email infrastructure. On most mail systems, enabling TLS is incredibly easy (one line config change on my Debian Sendmail box). It's a one-time fix that affects even technologically challenged users. I've tacked some links below for common MTA's. Qmail http://www.esat.kuleuven.ac.be/~vermeule/qmail/tls.patch Postfix http://www.aet.tu-cottbus.de/personen/jaenicke/pfixtls/ Exim http://www.exim.org/exim-html-3.20/doc/html/spec_38.html Sendmail http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/starttls.html From sobolak at myrealbox.com Tue Jul 16 02:32:21 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:32:21 -0500 Subject: [buug] Casual Encryption Message-ID: <1026811941.49704ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> Thanks for the pointer Aaron - I definitely will look into that once my f&*()&in' DSL starts working and I can actually get a server running. Sometimes I wonder if Ashcroft is the Great Satan. I wonder if there is finally enough outrage and frustration with email that someone might get around to changing the system. The beauty of RFC 822 (?) is that it's so simple - and that's its downfall too. It never ceases to amaze me that we send the bulk of our email - our personal correspondence - unencrypted throughout the world. Tack onto that the large percentage of people that use freemail accounts which include advertisements directly in the messages. Who would ever accept putting ads into a personal letter just so you wouldn't have to pay postage? In other email related news: check out Jon Udell's thoughts about using digital IDs as a way to counteract spam. This (besides SpamAssasin) could be the next killer app: a technology that doesn't just weed out spam, but prevents it. brian ps Pardon if these thoughts don't make sense. The sun isn't up yet and I'm already at work. Ah, the joys of insominia. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron T Porter To: buug at weak.org Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:16:08 -0700 Subject: [buug] Casual Encryption Just a quick plea for all you guys to seriously consider enabling SMTP-TLS on any and all mail servers they control. With the US government in Ashcroft juggernaut mode for the forseable future, I fear that the use of encryption will quickly become a red flag for further observation. If we can reach a point where a sizable portion of SMTP traffic is encrypted regardless of the content we can reduce any implications of sending encrypted mail. Probably doesn't make your standard Carnivore install too happy either. To clarify, using TLS is definately not as good as PGP/GPG, it only encrypts the links between servers -- if your MX host isn't trustworthy, they can get plaintext. TLS is just one small step towards a more private email infrastructure. On most mail systems, enabling TLS is incredibly easy (one line config change on my Debian Sendmail box). It's a one-time fix that affects even technologically challenged users. I've tacked some links below for common MTA's. Qmail http://www.esat.kuleuven.ac.be/~vermeule/qmail/tls.patch Postfix http://www.aet.tu-cottbus.de/personen/jaenicke/pfixtls/ Exim http://www.exim.org/exim-html-3.20/doc/html/spec_38.html Sendmail http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/starttls.html _______________________________________________ Buug mailing list Buug at weak.org http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ sobolak at myrealbox.com From itz at speakeasy.org Tue Jul 16 07:36:51 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 16 Jul 2002 07:36:51 -0700 Subject: [buug] Casual Encryption In-Reply-To: <1026811941.49704ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> References: <1026811941.49704ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <868z4bage4.fsf@speakeasy.org> Brian> In other email related news: check out Jon Udell's thoughts Brian> about using digital IDs as a way to counteract spam. This Brian> (besides SpamAssasin) could be the next killer app: a Brian> technology that doesn't just weed out spam, but prevents it. I will check it out, but I already have the obvious question: will what he proposes handle open mailing lists? -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 EngSoc adopts market economy: cheap is wasteful, efficient is expensive. From sobolak at myrealbox.com Tue Jul 16 07:59:45 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:59:45 -0500 Subject: [buug] Casual Encryption Message-ID: <1026831585.53461ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> Brian> In other email related news: check out Jon Udell's thoughts Brian> about using digital IDs as a way to counteract spam. This Brian> (besides SpamAssasin) could be the next killer app: a Brian> technology that doesn't just weed out spam, but prevents it. Ian wrote: > I will check it out, but I already have the obvious question: will > what he proposes handle open mailing lists? I don't see why not. The basic principle is this: if you don't provide a certificate that I can inspect and ensure comes from a valid third party _that I trust_, I don't want to receive mail from you. I don't have to *personally* know you, but I can place trust in Thawte, Versign, or some other authority to ensure that you have provided with credentials. The bigger problem, beyond open mailing lists, is setting up the software infrastruture to enable this. No webmail software that I know of supports this (hotmail? ha!) and it's a royal PITA on Outlook, which I actually tried when I had to use it on a regular basis for work. I'd say that eliminates about 75% of users right there. How well could you provide a certificate on your MUA of choice? brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ sobolak at myrealbox.com From itz at speakeasy.org Tue Jul 16 08:10:46 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 16 Jul 2002 08:10:46 -0700 Subject: [buug] Casual Encryption In-Reply-To: <1026831585.53461ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> References: <1026831585.53461ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <864rezaetl.fsf@speakeasy.org> Brian> In other email related news: check out Jon Udell's thoughts Brian> about using digital IDs as a way to counteract spam. This Brian> (besides SpamAssasin) could be the next killer app: a Brian> technology that doesn't just weed out spam, but prevents it. itz> I will check it out, but I already have the obvious question: itz> will what he proposes handle open mailing lists? Brian> I don't see why not. The basic principle is this: if you don't Brian> provide a certificate that I can inspect and ensure comes from Brian> a valid third party _that I trust_, I don't want to receive Brian> mail from you. I don't have to *personally* know you, but I Brian> can place trust in Thawte, Versign, or some other authority to Brian> ensure that you have provided with credentials. Brian> The bigger problem, beyond open mailing lists, is setting up Brian> the software infrastruture to enable this. No webmail software Brian> that I know of supports this (hotmail? ha!) and it's a royal Brian> PITA on Outlook, which I actually tried when I had to use it on Brian> a regular basis for work. I'd say that eliminates about 75% of Brian> users right there. How well could you provide a certificate on Brian> your MUA of choice? I bet it would be a matter of minutes to add this to Gnus :) But, doesn't PGP/GPG already provide this, in theory? All you need is the signing authority. That it doesn't exist (yet) is a social problem, not a technical one. BTW, I prefer not to receive personal copies of buug traffic (I know, I have been guilty of that, too). -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 EngSoc adopts market economy: cheap is wasteful, efficient is expensive. From nestar at globalctg.net Tue Jul 16 09:51:37 2002 From: nestar at globalctg.net (New Star Service Company) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:51:37 +0600 Subject: [buug] External storage solution Message-ID: <005101c22ce9$2b738bb0$3c9969cb@newrw1wt2r4eeu> I am trying to share an LSILogic San volume by 20 different Linux boxes for full text indexing. Is it even possible to share the same volume and have read/write access to all of those 20 linux machines at the same time? Previously, we were using Solaris with Verisign's Volume Manager, to solve this problem. For cost efficiency I am looking into a linux solution. I know for sure that Santricity with Tivoli or Verisign Volume manager can easily be used on linux. I was wondering if there's a built-in utility in Redhat7.3 that can help me solve this problem, without having to buy a third party software. Any help would be appreciated From nestar at globalctg.net Tue Jul 16 09:52:06 2002 From: nestar at globalctg.net (New Star Service Company) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:52:06 +0600 Subject: [buug] Jpeg compress Message-ID: <005201c22ce9$2f14a740$3c9969cb@newrw1wt2r4eeu> I read somewhere that there is a tool to compress jpeg files, but I can't remember what it is. Does anyone know ? From itz at speakeasy.org Tue Jul 16 21:55:34 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 16 Jul 2002 21:55:34 -0700 Subject: [buug] Jpeg compress In-Reply-To: <005201c22ce9$2f14a740$3c9969cb@newrw1wt2r4eeu> References: <005201c22ce9$2f14a740$3c9969cb@newrw1wt2r4eeu> Message-ID: <86vg7fc5rt.fsf@speakeasy.org> suspect> I read somewhere that there is a tool to compress jpeg files, suspect> but I can't remember what it is. Does anyone know ? Isn't jpeg already basically a compressed format? If that is the case not much gain can be expected from further external compression :-) -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 EngSoc adopts market economy: cheap is wasteful, efficient is expensive. From jan at caustic.org Tue Jul 16 21:55:41 2002 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Jpeg compress In-Reply-To: <005201c22ce9$2f14a740$3c9969cb@newrw1wt2r4eeu> Message-ID: <20020716215455.L493-100000@pogo.caustic.org> On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, New Star Service Company wrote: > I read somewhere that there is a tool to compress jpeg files, but I can't > remember what it is. Does anyone know ? no. image files are already compressed. you won't get more than 1 or 2 % compression. your best bet is to optimise by reducing the colour range used. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan at caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche From itz at speakeasy.org Thu Jul 18 21:58:06 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 18 Jul 2002 21:58:06 -0700 Subject: [buug] dr dobbs Message-ID: <86ele01fhd.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> I realized I left my copy of dr dobb's journal on the table. If someone took it could you bring it to the next meeting please, thanks. No big deal if it's lost, though. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 EngSoc adopts market economy: cheap is wasteful, efficient is expensive. From greg at xmldesigners.com Fri Jul 19 14:56:50 2002 From: greg at xmldesigners.com (Greg S. Robinson) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:56:50 -0700 Subject: [buug] BSD4.6 Firewall ?>&^*%$ :-) Message-ID: All: After "mastering" the Linux method of IPchains, I seem to be having a problem getting my BSD system properly set up. I've multihoned it, and /default rc.config points to "simple" in rc.firewall. I can't seem to get ssh punched through, after that is solved I need to permit http, ntp, 143, 993 (IMAP), etc. My line looks like this: ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from ${oip} 22 Anyone willing to send a snippet of their entries I can follow? Thanks Greg "Never underestimate the ability of people to develop strange interpretations of anything you write, say, or do." -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Greg Robinson - XMLDesigners.com mQGiBDyjiVMRBAD6txYzArjC27mJ66EWoxh4M5alHRwpLVK+/galdgT9KujEDR+H E7ATqWxKleDW0cIu/ByfyfpRUPxPaXpgf30RsXNcjXzITvp9mr0swTABGNqUcMVO 0U/tDQydlUXpToUnSCEx+7jmrJd8ROAXCV2LRSWTzoRXlO9zcGCP5LbEiQCg/ww5 IIpunI9y5CadNnU5FPey8z8D/iSQ3dqCJ/hc5VfLk6A7gcxsWNRfyVQDHS8i+OpV blKiwLtAtuiFq2VJXshyulKMzflrAy70xeQtQGw4DbblHT758c4rC///ta3zEBky YhIIIXzuxLZMwF6hN/rG7WFuG/RWjjnJ1jy9LAxKlkjXdj1TVIBt7/fAsu+t9gdY N7q6A/9z4mIsbJ0XxCT5QpwFYlkR3dqNI/szu5c0V+D1/tBjBahrgIDGqOfQ5WYg E1xe0OdkeY7uTbisd6vqd11+Dk1Bv6L4vAv3SkYZprv7jLFtiz5o087BLbrsAp/a X3HYcYxttQvUri3V7dpn1L5LhxpTS66pbvcqHjMlhJwnIT9pX7QoR3JlZyBTLiBS b2JpbnNvbiA8Z3JlZ0B4bWxkZXNpZ25lcnMuY29tPokAWAQQEQIAGAUCPKOJUwgL AwkIBwIBCgIZAQUbAwAAAAAKCRCskBxV8Ucsfbx1AJ9jRDNt+LD7GxGKuqMaTsX6 bcoCKQCgjNRubsumGR1B8S0Bik4MiQ95kGq5Ag0EPKOJVBAIAPZCV7cIfwgXcqK6 1qlC8wXo+VMROU+28W65Szgg2gGnVqMU6Y9AVfPQB8bLQ6mUrfdMZIZJ+AyDvWXp F9Sh01D49Vlf3HZSTz09jdvOmeFXklnN/biudE/F/Ha8g8VHMGHOfMlm/xX5u/2R XscBqtNbno2gpXI61Brwv0YAWCvl9Ij9WE5J280gtJ3kkQc2azNsOA1FHQ98iLMc fFstjvbzySPAQ/ClWxiNjrtVjLhdONM0/XwXV0OjHRhs3jMhLLUq/zzhsSlAGBGN fISnCnLWhsQDGcgHKXrKlQzZlp+r0ApQmwJG0wg9ZqRdQZ+cfL2JSyIZJrqrol7D VekyCzsAAgIH/0irLdTQdL7A379RN2wvcDKSyuiFzysA86x/T/QDTF2/gdZfb4Za JWvUX6xiOlZwccr8sFIjuitXY3SqYmeBeoVXtng5l1By2y36XdFD3lgaXD4anCAD aTV5jsF4ScGSREHScYN8fZbeBjz7TjJqExEOE+a2UXZEhZR70QGKpiOi4xwCP9Lx rqU6rIDnq00kxW7w4ePZRFf+C7moL994nQb+PSOHHczXllo/1uW6Xkub1PW8mOpT 2elZ7eUwBZJfa8m/dssEslq7VyuSxGF8/TeAW4BpER8zIB127db1oK4YDvrPRURU MzfyenToTWGiP5CNbRwNhqLB1tg/ycTdlCaJAEwEGBECAAwFAjyjiVQFGwwAAAAA CgkQrJAcVfFHLH0ppQCeP+0QRyI+0SycFDDcjWNuyUqYnvYAoOXtUQw/XGgfAQS7 TosjpJcIy74t =mzBs -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From jdicioccio at epylon.com Fri Jul 19 15:10:33 2002 From: jdicioccio at epylon.com (DiCioccio, Jason) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:10:33 -0700 Subject: [buug] BSD4.6 Firewall ?>&^*%$ :-) Message-ID: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA02FFF61E@goofy.epylon.lan> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm using IPFilter on FreeBSD.. however the rules are easy in both.. You might consider IPFilter if you like this rule syntax (they're both capable however).. # No need to fill the state table with traffic that is already granted a round # trip. pass out quick on fxp0 proto tcp/udp from any to 192.168.0.0/16 pass out quick on fxp0 proto icmp from any to 192.168.0.0/16 # Allow incoming traffic internally on a trusted protocol (TCP) and # allow all UDP inbound from internal addresses pending the appropriate # filtering on the upstream routers pass in quick on fxp0 proto tcp/udp from 192.168.0.0/16 to any # Allow ICMP in from internal addresses as well. Also insecure pending # the appropriate filtering on the upstream routers. pass in quick on fxp0 proto icmp from 192.168.0.0/16 to any # Pass out all other outbound traffic so that we can actually do useful stuff :) pass out quick on fxp0 proto tcp from any to any flags S keep state pass out quick on fxp0 proto udp from any to any keep state pass out quick on fxp0 proto icmp from any to any keep state # Added for BUUG email :).. An example of allowing an inbound port in IPFilter pass in quick on fxp0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 # Block everything else. block return-rst in log quick on fxp0 proto tcp from any to any block return-icmp(port-unreach) in log quick on fxp0 proto udp from any to any block in log quick on fxp0 all - -----Original Message----- From: Greg S. Robinson [mailto:greg at xmldesigners.com] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:57 PM To: Buug at weak.org Subject: [buug] BSD4.6 Firewall ?>&^*%$ :-) All: After "mastering" the Linux method of IPchains, I seem to be having a problem getting my BSD system properly set up. I've multihoned it, and /default rc.config points to "simple" in rc.firewall. I can't seem to get ssh punched through, after that is solved I need to permit http, ntp, 143, 993 (IMAP), etc. My line looks like this: ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from ${oip} 22 Anyone willing to send a snippet of their entries I can follow? Thanks Greg "Never underestimate the ability of people to develop strange interpretations of anything you write, say, or do." - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Greg Robinson - XMLDesigners.com mQGiBDyjiVMRBAD6txYzArjC27mJ66EWoxh4M5alHRwpLVK+/galdgT9KujEDR+H E7ATqWxKleDW0cIu/ByfyfpRUPxPaXpgf30RsXNcjXzITvp9mr0swTABGNqUcMVO 0U/tDQydlUXpToUnSCEx+7jmrJd8ROAXCV2LRSWTzoRXlO9zcGCP5LbEiQCg/ww5 IIpunI9y5CadNnU5FPey8z8D/iSQ3dqCJ/hc5VfLk6A7gcxsWNRfyVQDHS8i+OpV blKiwLtAtuiFq2VJXshyulKMzflrAy70xeQtQGw4DbblHT758c4rC///ta3zEBky YhIIIXzuxLZMwF6hN/rG7WFuG/RWjjnJ1jy9LAxKlkjXdj1TVIBt7/fAsu+t9gdY N7q6A/9z4mIsbJ0XxCT5QpwFYlkR3dqNI/szu5c0V+D1/tBjBahrgIDGqOfQ5WYg E1xe0OdkeY7uTbisd6vqd11+Dk1Bv6L4vAv3SkYZprv7jLFtiz5o087BLbrsAp/a X3HYcYxttQvUri3V7dpn1L5LhxpTS66pbvcqHjMlhJwnIT9pX7QoR3JlZyBTLiBS b2JpbnNvbiA8Z3JlZ0B4bWxkZXNpZ25lcnMuY29tPokAWAQQEQIAGAUCPKOJUwgL AwkIBwIBCgIZAQUbAwAAAAAKCRCskBxV8Ucsfbx1AJ9jRDNt+LD7GxGKuqMaTsX6 bcoCKQCgjNRubsumGR1B8S0Bik4MiQ95kGq5Ag0EPKOJVBAIAPZCV7cIfwgXcqK6 1qlC8wXo+VMROU+28W65Szgg2gGnVqMU6Y9AVfPQB8bLQ6mUrfdMZIZJ+AyDvWXp F9Sh01D49Vlf3HZSTz09jdvOmeFXklnN/biudE/F/Ha8g8VHMGHOfMlm/xX5u/2R XscBqtNbno2gpXI61Brwv0YAWCvl9Ij9WE5J280gtJ3kkQc2azNsOA1FHQ98iLMc fFstjvbzySPAQ/ClWxiNjrtVjLhdONM0/XwXV0OjHRhs3jMhLLUq/zzhsSlAGBGN fISnCnLWhsQDGcgHKXrKlQzZlp+r0ApQmwJG0wg9ZqRdQZ+cfL2JSyIZJrqrol7D VekyCzsAAgIH/0irLdTQdL7A379RN2wvcDKSyuiFzysA86x/T/QDTF2/gdZfb4Za JWvUX6xiOlZwccr8sFIjuitXY3SqYmeBeoVXtng5l1By2y36XdFD3lgaXD4anCAD aTV5jsF4ScGSREHScYN8fZbeBjz7TjJqExEOE+a2UXZEhZR70QGKpiOi4xwCP9Lx rqU6rIDnq00kxW7w4ePZRFf+C7moL994nQb+PSOHHczXllo/1uW6Xkub1PW8mOpT 2elZ7eUwBZJfa8m/dssEslq7VyuSxGF8/TeAW4BpER8zIB127db1oK4YDvrPRURU MzfyenToTWGiP5CNbRwNhqLB1tg/ycTdlCaJAEwEGBECAAwFAjyjiVQFGwwAAAAA CgkQrJAcVfFHLH0ppQCeP+0QRyI+0SycFDDcjWNuyUqYnvYAoOXtUQw/XGgfAQS7 TosjpJcIy74t =mzBs - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- _______________________________________________ Buug mailing list Buug at weak.org http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPTiOZzKUHizV76d/EQJUwgCgrrMArTq3NMMTen0HzywY9OrpbZ0AnicN RGaMS9Fxa72nmYLgK7Bz4DyF =PzfL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sobolak at myrealbox.com Fri Jul 19 15:43:59 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:43:59 -0500 Subject: [buug] BSD4.6 Firewall ?>&^*%$ :-) Message-ID: <1027118639.55c44ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> >Anyone willing to send a snippet of their entries I >can follow? I'm not too experienced with firewalls on FreeBSD, but something deep in the back of my mind tells me that you have to recompile your kernel to support it. Did you try that? questions at freebsd.org is your friend if BUUG can't help you. It's an open list. brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ sobolak at myrealbox.com From itz at speakeasy.org Fri Jul 19 21:05:19 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 19 Jul 2002 21:05:19 -0700 Subject: [buug] woody is out! Message-ID: <86ptxj3uyo.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> For those who don't know already, quoting http://www.debian.org/ : >> The latest stable release of Debian is 3.0r0. The last update to >> this release was made on July 19th, 2002. Read more about available >> versions of Debian. Live free or die. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 EngSoc adopts market economy: cheap is wasteful, efficient is expensive. From jrcow97 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 17:31:18 2002 From: jrcow97 at yahoo.com (Jerry Cheung) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Re: Woody is out! In-Reply-To: <20020721143824.22467.52158.Mailman@weak.org> Message-ID: <20020723003118.22026.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> > From: Ian Zimmerman > > For those who don't know already, quoting > http://www.debian.org/ : > > >> The latest stable release of Debian is 3.0r0. The > last update to > >> this release was made on July 19th, 2002. Read > more about available > >> versions of Debian. Does anyone have the new woody CDs' and would be willing to let me borrow them because a friend of mine would be really grateful as he is still using slink. Some of the packages are really old :( thanks in advance! Jerry jrcow97 at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jul 22 17:56:06 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:56:06 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: Woody is out! In-Reply-To: <20020723003118.22026.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020721143824.22467.52158.Mailman@weak.org> <20020723003118.22026.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020723005605.GV28205@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jerry Cheung (jrcow97 at yahoo.com): > Does anyone have the new woody CDs' and would be willing to let me > borrow them because a friend of mine would be really grateful as he is > still using slink. Some of the packages are really old :( Does your friend have even 33.6 kbps Internet access? If so, it would probably be practical for him to upgrade directly off the Net using apt-get. In his shoes, I'd do that in a couple of stages, so as not to attempt too big a jump at once. Login as root. And then: 1. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list as follows, comment out other lines: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main non-free contrib deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US oldstable/non-US main contrib non-free Then, do # apt-get update ...to get the lists of available packages. Because this will be a fairly big jump (slink to previous Debian-stable = potato), we'll upgrade critical packages first: # apt-get install perl libc6 dpkg apt apt-utils debconf Now, upgrade the system as a whole to potato: # apt-get dist-upgrade 2. Re-edit /etc/apt/sources.list as follows: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free Then do: # apt-get update # apt-get install perl libc6 dpkg apt apt-utils debconf # apt-get dist-upgrade That takes you to current Debian-stable, "woody". 3. Re-edit /etc/apt/sources.list as follows: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free Then do: # apt-get update # apt-get dist-upgrade That takes you to current Debian-testing, "sarge". It might be quicker, though, for your friend to just download the floppy images for woody, and then rsync every week or so to the "testing" branch's current contents. It's kind of silly to install Debian and then not use apt-get to stay in sync. Other stuff of interest here: http://linuxmafia.com/debian/tips (Warrning: The file's a mess, and most things of interest are near the bottom.) -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, rick at linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association. From feedle at feedle.net Mon Jul 22 23:26:49 2002 From: feedle at feedle.net (C. Sullivan) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:26:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [buug] You hear feedling sounds in all directions. Message-ID: Hey all. I plan on being in SF, hopefully in time to hit BUUG this week. If I don't, and for those who care, drop me an E-mail and we'll arrange some kind of meet-up. -Fedl From jammer at weak.org Tue Jul 23 07:11:23 2002 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:11:23 -0700 Subject: [buug] You hear feedling sounds in all directions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020723141122.GB17826@weak.org> On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 06:26:49AM +0000, C. Sullivan wrote: > Hey all. > > I plan on being in SF, hopefully in time to hit BUUG this week. If I > don't, and for those who care, drop me an E-mail and we'll arrange some > kind of meet-up. Uhm. No BUUG meeting this week, Chris. :) -Jon From wfhoney at pacbell.net Tue Jul 23 07:18:37 2002 From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Bill Honeycutt) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:18:37 -0700 Subject: [buug] You hear feedling sounds in all directions. References: <20020723141122.GB17826@weak.org> Message-ID: <3D3D65BD.CD001088@pacbell.net> I move to hold a special 'Return of the Fedl' BUUG meeting. Do I hear a second? Jon McClintock wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 06:26:49AM +0000, C. Sullivan wrote: > > Hey all. > > > > I plan on being in SF, hopefully in time to hit BUUG this week. If I > > don't, and for those who care, drop me an E-mail and we'll arrange some > > kind of meet-up. > > Uhm. No BUUG meeting this week, Chris. :) > > -Jon > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From sgshaffer at charter.net Mon Jul 22 21:40:57 2002 From: sgshaffer at charter.net (Steve Shaffer) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:40:57 -0700 Subject: [buug] Help Message-ID: <3D3CDE59.3F94064C@charter.net> I am new to the Linux world and am having a problem setting up Samba. I have gone through the diagnosis document on the samba.org/docs site and have mangage to get most things set up. I can ping my samba server from the Windows ME systems I have and I see the server in my network places...Entire Network. When I click on the server I receive a Host name not found. I have added the server IP address and name to the windows HOSTS.SAM. I have created the samba password directory using smbpasswd. The host name is correct with the correct IP address and netmask. smb is running as a daemon and started with /etc/services. I have setup smb.conf with password encryption and 10 characters for the caps resolution. I have set up a /tmp directory for anyone that logs on. The server /etc/hosts has the IP address and name of each of the windows hosts. Windows password and user name and password has been verified on both the server and on the window machines. I don't know where to go next. Thank you for any help on this problem. Steve From sobolak at myrealbox.com Tue Jul 23 07:52:45 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:52:45 -0500 Subject: Samba and NT Hosts file config (was Re: [buug] Help) Message-ID: <1027435965.56b75ff8sobolak@myrealbox.com> > I have added the server IP address and name to the windows HOSTS.SAM. Ok, take a peak into the HOSTS.SAM. The .SAM part stands for sample. My NT admin skills are rusty but you probably want to edit just HOSTS, and possibly LMHOSTS file in the same spot. If you want to know what computers your Windows box knows about, try the nbtstat command, esp nbtstat -c. If you make a change to the hosts file, nbtstat -R should force a reload of the HOSTS file. HTH, brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ sobolak at myrealbox.com From feedle at feedle.net Tue Jul 23 08:33:49 2002 From: feedle at feedle.net (C. Sullivan) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:33:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [buug] You hear feedling sounds in all directions. In-Reply-To: <20020723141122.GB17826@weak.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Jon McClintock wrote: > Uhm. No BUUG meeting this week, Chris. :) Heh. Forgot it was a bi-weekly thing now. :P -Fedl From jrcow97 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 23 17:51:08 2002 From: jrcow97 at yahoo.com (Jerry Cheung) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Re: Re: Re: Woody is out! In-Reply-To: <20020723143824.7490.73576.Mailman@weak.org> Message-ID: <20020724005108.32482.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> > Does your friend have even 33.6 kbps Internet > access? If so, it > would probably be practical for him to upgrade > directly off the Net > using apt-get. His connection isn't very good, and it often drops him :( > In his shoes, I'd do that in a couple of stages, so > as not to attempt > too big a jump at once. Login as root. And then: > > 1. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list as follows, comment > out other lines: > > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main > non-free contrib > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US > oldstable/non-US main contrib non-free > > Then, do > # apt-get update > ...to get the lists of available packages. > > Because this will be a fairly big jump (slink to > previous Debian-stable > = potato), we'll upgrade critical packages first: > > # apt-get install perl libc6 dpkg apt apt-utils > debconf > > Now, upgrade the system as a whole to potato: Is it doable to directly upgrade from slink to woody? It sounds risky, but wouldn't it speed him thru the upgrade faster? > It might be quicker, though, for your friend to just > download the floppy > images for woody, and then rsync every week or so to > the "testing" > branch's current contents. It's kind of silly to > install Debian and > then not use apt-get to stay in sync. rsync only updates the packages file, right? One would continue by using apt-get install some_file.deb? I'll send all your suggestions to him. Thanks again :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jul 23 18:30:54 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:30:54 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: Re: Re: Woody is out! In-Reply-To: <20020724005108.32482.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020723143824.7490.73576.Mailman@weak.org> <20020724005108.32482.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020724013054.GI28205@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jerry Cheung (jrcow97 at yahoo.com): > His connection isn't very good, and it often drops him > :( Hmm. Unless he can temporarily visit (with his machine) some place with good connectivity, that doesn't sound promising. Doing a big bunch of "apt-get" procedures is more bandwidth-thrifty than pulling down CD images, but still can be a significant amount of bytes. > Is it doable to directly upgrade from slink to woody? Yes, but.... It's such a big jump that there might be at least temporary problems during the upgrade. He might end up having to do some steps twice, because things didn't happen in the right order the first time. It's the sort of stunt that _expert_ Debian users do occasionally just for kicks, and then report back to the debian-devel mailing list: "Hey gang! I went directly from Debian 2.0/hamm to woody. Here's the stuff that went haywire, and the couple of slightly goofy things I did to recover." For an expert, that's fun. For a newcomer, it might be doubleplus unfun. If he wants to try that, by all means have him do the "apt-get install perl libc6 dpkg apt apt-utils debconf" immediately after "apt-get update" and before "apt-get dist-upgrade" to acquire _first_ the really crucial 3.0/woody packages. > rsync only updates the packages file, right? One would continue by > using apt-get install some_file.deb? Umm... when I say "stay in sync", I'm not talking about rsync. It's possible to use rsync as a transport protocol for apt-get, but it's not usually done. Most Debian mirrors deliver packages over http or ftp. -- Cheers, "I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate Rick Moen those who do. And, for the people who like country music, rick at linuxmafia.com denigrate means 'put down'." -- Bob Newhart From cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu Tue Jul 23 19:07:23 2002 From: cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] Re: Re: Re: Woody is out! In-Reply-To: <20020724005108.32482.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Jerry Cheung wrote: > His connection isn't very good, and it often drops him > :( I'd recommend just purchasing the CDs. It's very inexpensive and sidesteps the whole modem issue. See: http://www.debian.org/CD/ and http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ Claude From evans at ncseweb.org Wed Jul 24 11:54:52 2002 From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:54:52 -0700 Subject: [buug] BSD newbie needs help Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724111956.027380f0@mail.mindspring.com> Hi Everyone, I just joined the list and have a few questions about FreeBSD. Let me give a brief intro to give you a better feel for my skill set. I was a developer for 15 years, C, C++, Java, and in that time did probably 50% of my work under HP-UX, Solaris, and a little SCO Unix. I have light sys admin experience, but nothing moderate to heavy. I can get my way around a Unix box, but for those of you who are true sys admins, I will be the first to admitt us developers (even us former ones), can be real bulls in china shops when we try and do admin work. However, I worked in a few small shops where we wore many hats, and then at some big companies and had to fill in at times when staff was short. That said, I left dev work after 15 years to work at a small non-profit here in Oakland defending the teaching of evolution in public schools. Bringing my background with me, a couple of things I've done is to add an intr(a)net section to our int(e)rnet facility that we use for various sundry activities, and also organize closed list serves for various communities of activists we work with around the country. Our internet and intranet is currently a Windows NT/ASP shop, and I decided with our own in-house server I'd opt for BSD for the next phase of the intranet, and migrating our lists from Yahoo Groups and another Unix server someone else maintains, I'd be able to get more done and better organized. I've got BSD installed on an old box we had laying around, but will probably need help getting it on the network and getting our second domain name signed up for it. Additionally, I'll need majordomo, Samba, and Apache set up for the initial fire up. Are there people on the list available for consulting work? We are a non-profit and don't have a big budget but if we get some good estimates we can pay someone for the work. If our budget is too small, I'd be happy to compensate with some pizza and a few beers if you like at the end of a few hour stint. I'd prefer work on say a Saturday afternoon so that I could look over your shoulder and learn a bit. I'll be maintaining this thing moving forward and I know I have a lot of learning to do. In the meantime, a couple of quick questions: for dev work I always worked under the CDE environment, but just to see what it was like I loaded Gnome on this box. One feature I really liked under CDE (KDE), were the buttons on the bottom of the tool bar that essentially gave you four screens in one. Is it possible to configure Gnome like that? I thought I had seen workstations accessing Linux boxes at one job that were like this. How customizable is Gnome? Do any of you have preference for one over the other? Thanks so much! I hope to attend the August 1 meeting. Skip Evans Network Project Director National Center for Science Education 420 40th St, Suite 2 Oakland, CA 94609 510-601-7203 510-601-7204 (fax) 800-290-6006 evans at ncseweb.org http://www.ncseweb.org NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. To sign up send: subscribe ncse your at email.address to: majordomo at inia.cls.org From ms at formulae.org Wed Jul 24 12:04:44 2002 From: ms at formulae.org (Michael Salmon) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:04:44 -0700 Subject: [buug] BSD newbie needs help In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724111956.027380f0@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724111956.027380f0@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020724120444.C11753@formulae.org> On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 11:54:52AM -0700, Skip Evans wrote: > Hi Everyone, hi skip > That said, I left dev work after 15 years to work at a small non-profit here in Oakland defending the teaching of evolution in public schools. Bringing my background with me, a couple of things I've done is to add an intr(a)net section to our int(e)rnet facility that we use for various sundry activities, and also organize closed list serves for various communities of activists we work with around the country. Our internet and intranet is currently a Windows NT/ASP shop, and I decided with our own in-house server I'd opt for BSD for the next phase of the intranet, and migrating our lists from Yahoo Groups and another Unix server someone else maintains, I'd be able to get more done and better organized. > > I've got BSD installed on an old box we had laying around, but will probably need help getting it on the network and getting our second domain name signed up for it. Additionally, I'll need majordomo, Samba, and Apache set up for the initial fire up. First, I recommend you use the latest apache 1.3 rather then the newer 2.0. Other then that you shouldnt have a problem setting any of these systems up unless you're going to use Samba as a real replacement for an NT/2K server. It's very easy to mount and share file systems with samba but much more work to have it be used for a windows network. > In the meantime, a couple of quick questions: for dev work I always worked under the CDE environment, but just to see what it was like I loaded Gnome on this box. One feature I really liked under CDE (KDE), were the buttons on the bottom of the tool bar that essentially gave you four screens in one. Is it possible to configure Gnome like that? I thought I had seen workstations accessing Linux boxes at one job that were like this. How customizable is Gnome? Do any of you have preference for one over the other? I'm not sure if you're talking about a pager, which is what most windowmanager, desktops call the interface to view multiple desktops in a small window on the desktop, and switch between them. I don't use gnome and I don't recommend using what I use, but search google for a "gnome pager". Otherwise, I know that KDE has one "kpager". > Skip Evans ms- From jan at caustic.org Wed Jul 24 13:05:37 2002 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] BSD newbie needs help In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724111956.027380f0@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020724125458.N45362-100000@pogo.caustic.org> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Skip Evans wrote: > I've got BSD installed on an old box we had laying around, but will > probably need help getting it on the network and getting our second > domain name signed up for it. Additionally, I'll need majordomo, Samba, > and Apache set up for the initial fire up. those are all fairly easy with freebsd. all of those will be available through the freebsd ports system. take a look at: /usr/ports/mail/majordomo /usr/ports/net/samba /usr/ports/www/apache13 through this you'll have a remarkably fast build and install. you can also add them through prebuilt packages: pkg_add -r majordomo pkg_add -r samba pkg_add -r apache13 those will grab the latest packages from ftp.freebsd.org. > Are there people on the list available for consulting work? We are a > non-profit and don't have a big budget but if we get some good estimates > we can pay someone for the work. If our budget is too small, I'd be > happy to compensate with some pizza and a few beers if you like at the > end of a few hour stint. I'd prefer work on say a Saturday afternoon so > that I could look over your shoulder and learn a bit. I'll be > maintaining this thing moving forward and I know I have a lot of > learning to do. being that you're a non-profit, i'd probably be willing to do some volunteer work for you. consultants tend to be rather expensive, especially with regards to UNIX. > In the meantime, a couple of quick questions: for dev work I always > worked under the CDE environment, but just to see what it was like I > loaded Gnome on this box. One feature I really liked under CDE (KDE), > were the buttons on the bottom of the tool bar that essentially gave you > four screens in one. Is it possible to configure Gnome like that? I > thought I had seen workstations accessing Linux boxes at one job that > were like this. How customizable is Gnome? Do any of you have preference > for one over the other? there are ways. KDE does the same bit, of course. most window managers these days allow you to have multiple virtual desktops. gnome has an appelet to handle it, although i'm not sure how to set it up. i don't use gnome. > Thanks so much! I hope to attend the August 1 meeting. hmm. maybe i will aswell. been on the list for months now, and still haven't attended a meeting. for additional freebsd specific help, take a look at http://www.freebsddiary.org http://www.daemonnews.org the mailing list FreeBSD-questions at freebsd.org is remarkably helpful, but very high traffic. so set up some filters for it. subscribe by sending mail to majordomo at freebsd.org with "subscribe freebsd-questions" in the body. let me know if there's anything else you need to know. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan at caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche From evans at ncseweb.org Wed Jul 24 17:22:33 2002 From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:22:33 -0700 Subject: [buug] Window size under KDE. Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724171946.02723060@mail.mindspring.com> Hi Everyone, First I want to thank all the people that responded and help this newbie get his box in order. It now has BSD installed and I went back to the KDE. I have a problem with the windows. For example, I was trying to adjust the color scheme through the configuration option, but all the windows open up so large I can't get down to the bottom where I assume there is a 'Save Changes' button or something. Also, the font seem rather large. This is an old machine (a Pentium 166), but I first need to prove the worth of the project, of which I have no doubt, before I can lobby for upgraded equipment. So I'm wondering if my video card is just kind of crappy. I know you can smoke equipment by getting these settings wrong, so I'm being careful. Any ideas? Thanks again for all the help! Skip Evans Network Project Director National Center for Science Education 420 40th St, Suite 2 Oakland, CA 94609 510-601-7203 510-601-7204 (fax) 800-290-6006 evans at ncseweb.org http://www.ncseweb.org NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. To sign up send: subscribe ncse your at email.address to: majordomo at inia.cls.org From itz at speakeasy.org Wed Jul 24 17:31:13 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 24 Jul 2002 17:31:13 -0700 Subject: [buug] Window size under KDE. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724171946.02723060@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724171946.02723060@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <86bs8w1wdq.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> Skip> I have a problem with the windows. For example, I was trying to Skip> adjust the color scheme through the configuration option, but Skip> all the windows open up so large I can't get down to the bottom Skip> where I assume there is a 'Save Changes' button or Skip> something. Also, the font seem rather large. To me this sounds like you have the wrong suite of fonts selected (100dpi instead of 75dpi). The window size is probably just a consequence of that. I can't tell you how to fix this in KDE, because myself I just use bare X (so I would edit something like /etc/X11/XF86Config). Incidentally, this message is also a test: it should be passed to the list without Jon's moderation. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 EngSoc adopts market economy: cheap is wasteful, efficient is expensive. From cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu Wed Jul 24 18:10:05 2002 From: cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] Window size under KDE. In-Reply-To: <86bs8w1wdq.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> Message-ID: On 24 Jul 2002, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > I can't tell you how to fix this in KDE, because myself I just use > bare X (so I would edit something like /etc/X11/XF86Config). Ian's a real man -- he doesn't even use a window manager! From cmsclaud at ARCHES.UGA.EDU Wed Jul 24 18:33:59 2002 From: cmsclaud at ARCHES.UGA.EDU (Claude Rubinson) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [buug] Window size under KDE. (fwd) Message-ID: I assume that you meant for this to go back to list, so I'm redirecting it... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:22:59 -0700 From: Skip Evans To: Claude Rubinson Subject: Re: [buug] Window size under KDE. At 09:10 PM 7/24/2002 -0400, you wrote: >On 24 Jul 2002, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > >> I can't tell you how to fix this in KDE, because myself I just use >> bare X (so I would edit something like /etc/X11/XF86Config). > >Ian's a real man -- he doesn't even use a window manager! And little old wimpy me trying to get KDE going ;) Can't find this file, or anything that seems to set this value. Maybe under /stand/sysinstall? Skip >_______________________________________________ >Buug mailing list >Buug at weak.org >http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug Skip Evans Network Project Director National Center for Science Education 420 40th St, Suite 2 Oakland, CA 94609 510-601-7203 510-601-7204 (fax) 800-290-6006 evans at ncseweb.org http://www.ncseweb.org NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. To sign up send: subscribe ncse your at email.address to: majordomo at inia.cls.org From psoltani at ultradns.com Wed Jul 24 19:02:33 2002 From: psoltani at ultradns.com (Patrick Soltani) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:02:33 -0700 Subject: [buug] Window size under KDE. (fwd) Message-ID: <3DBB075EEB95944492E127F2B9A96FAF539605@ultra-exchange.UltraDNS.com> Hi, find out what version of XFree86 you are running on your FreeBSD box: pkg_info | grep -i xfree based on the version 3 or 4, you have to run the config utility that walks you thru the setup; xf86config Before doing this copy /etc/X11/XF86Config. The directory may be different on your machine based on the installation. Once you run xf86config, it will overwrite your XF86Config file which XWindow Manager uses to customize your session. Post the detail of your machine, version of the OS, pkg_info, etc if it did not work, and I am sure we can help you track down the problem and fix it. Regards, Patrick Soltani. > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Rubinson [mailto:cmsclaud at ARCHES.UGA.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 6:34 PM > To: buug at weak.org > Subject: Re: [buug] Window size under KDE. (fwd) > > > I assume that you meant for this to go back to list, so I'm > redirecting > it... > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:22:59 -0700 > From: Skip Evans > To: Claude Rubinson > Subject: Re: [buug] Window size under KDE. > > At 09:10 PM 7/24/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >On 24 Jul 2002, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > > >> I can't tell you how to fix this in KDE, because myself I just use > >> bare X (so I would edit something like /etc/X11/XF86Config). > > > >Ian's a real man -- he doesn't even use a window manager! > > And little old wimpy me trying to get KDE going ;) Can't find > this file, > or anything that seems to set this value. Maybe under > /stand/sysinstall? > > Skip > > >_______________________________________________ > >Buug mailing list > >Buug at weak.org > >http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > > Skip Evans > Network Project Director > National Center for Science Education > 420 40th St, Suite 2 > Oakland, CA 94609 > 510-601-7203 > 510-601-7204 (fax) > 800-290-6006 > evans at ncseweb.org > http://www.ncseweb.org > > NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that > this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for > members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about > the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. > > To sign up send: > subscribe ncse your at email.address > to: majordomo at inia.cls.org > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > From evans at ncseweb.org Wed Jul 24 20:28:58 2002 From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:28:58 -0700 Subject: [buug] Window size under KDE. (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3DBB075EEB95944492E127F2B9A96FAF539605@ultra-exchange.Ultr aDNS.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724202238.02733530@mail.mindspring.com> At 07:02 PM 7/24/2002 -0700, Patrick Soltani wrote: >Hi, >find out what version of XFree86 you are running on your FreeBSD box: >pkg_info | grep -i xfree Running this command did not produce any output. I am running FreeBSD 4.0. I just purchased The Complete FreeBSD within the last couple of months and these are the CDs that came with the book. I really just thought I was buying a book and was quite surprised to find not only a whole OS but a boatload of free apps! >based on the version 3 or 4, you have to run the config utility that walks you thru the setup; xf86config >Before doing this copy /etc/X11/XF86Config. The directory may be different on your machine based on the installation. I've been looking for some kind of config file but cannot seem to locate it. >Once you run xf86config, it will overwrite your XF86Config file which XWindow Manager uses to customize your session. This I did when I installed the OS. And it seemed to work fine. However, to correct the problem with the large windows I went back into the /stand/sysinstall program, pulled up XF86Config again and tried to set the resolution to SVGA 800x600. When the system attempted to start the X server, first it said the server could not be started. After pressing OK, the Desktop tried to appear but the X that usually appears in the middle of the screen as it loads was much larger than usual. After a moment, the screen went to just a mess of short broken lines indicating a bad card setting, which with this big X splattered in the middle. This machine is a Pentium 166Mhz and I'm wondering if the video card can't support the resolution required to properly run X windows. Anyone think that may be the case? Thanks so much for your help! Skip From itz at speakeasy.org Wed Jul 24 21:03:34 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 24 Jul 2002 21:03:34 -0700 Subject: [buug] Window size under KDE. (fwd) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724202238.02733530@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724202238.02733530@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <86eldsbgix.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> Skip> I've been looking for some kind of config file but cannot seem Skip> to locate it. No? How about locate XF86Config ? :) Skip> This machine is a Pentium 166Mhz and I'm wondering if the video Skip> card can't support the resolution required to properly run X Skip> windows. Anyone think that may be the case? No, I don't think so. My machine here is a AMD K6 also at 166, now 4.5 years old, and it could do 1024x768x16 @ 90Hz right as shipped. I have since upgraded the video, but that's another story. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 EngSoc adopts market economy: cheap is wasteful, efficient is expensive. From evans at ncseweb.org Wed Jul 24 21:26:23 2002 From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:26:23 -0700 Subject: [buug] Window size under KDE. (fwd) In-Reply-To: <86eldsbgix.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724202238.02733530@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020724202238.02733530@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724211540.0273e530@mail.mindspring.com> At 09:03 PM 7/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Skip> I've been looking for some kind of config file but cannot seem >Skip> to locate it. > >No? How about > >locate XF86Config > >? :) >Newbies just can't get a break around here. Okay, I just tried a different video card, same results. It was made in 96, that's all I can tell about it. This time it did put the file in /etc/XF86Config. Someone has suggested there may be a problem with the font size and I did locate these lines: FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" However, it seems all the files in the 100dpi and 75dpi directories are compressed files (extension .gz). My brain hurts. Skip From itz at speakeasy.org Wed Jul 24 21:29:53 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 24 Jul 2002 21:29:53 -0700 Subject: [buug] Window size under KDE. (fwd) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724211540.0273e530@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724202238.02733530@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020724202238.02733530@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020724211540.0273e530@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <86adogbfb2.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> Skip> FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled" FontPath Skip> "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled" FontPath Skip> "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" FontPath Skip> "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" If with this configuration active you still have the same problem, my hypothesis was wrong: the 75dpi fonts are listed before the others, so they would be used. Sorry for leading you down a blind alley. It _is_ a KDE thing after all, it seems. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 EngSoc adopts market economy: cheap is wasteful, efficient is expensive. From sobolak at myrealbox.com Wed Jul 24 23:43:20 2002 From: sobolak at myrealbox.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:43:20 -0700 Subject: [buug] Window size under KDE. (fwd) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724202238.02733530@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724202238.02733530@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <7458264880.20020724234320@myrealbox.com> hi Wednesday, July 24, 2002, 8:28:58 PM, you wrote: SE> At 07:02 PM 7/24/2002 -0700, Patrick Soltani wrote: >>Hi, >>find out what version of XFree86 you are running on your FreeBSD box: >>pkg_info | grep -i xfree SE> Running this command did not produce any output. I am running SE> FreeBSD 4.0. I just purchased The Complete FreeBSD within the last SE> couple of months and these are the CDs that came with the book. I SE> really just thought I was buying a book and was quite surprised to SE> find not only a whole OS but a boatload of free apps! If you have the bandwidth and the time, you might want to download a more recent version of the software. FreeBsd.org has .iso images available - just download the image, burn it to a CD, and you're ready to roll. I bought the book and then went and downloaded the latest code. You can of course also run updates to get the latest source (cvsup). It's not hard. You'll definitely want to upgrade to a more recent release of FreeBSD if this machine's going to be exposed to the internet - they've made a lot of security enhancements since 4.0. >>based on the version 3 or 4, you have to run the config utility that >>walks you thru the setup; xf86config FreeBSD 4.0 is definitely running XFree86 3 (3.1.1?). I think they only upgraded to 4 in the most recent release. Reminds me of one of my favorite unix quotes: X Windows. The problem for your problem. brian -- Got work? http://www.planetshwoop.com/resume/ This is how I think: http://www.planetshwoop.com/blog/ Brian Sobolak sobolak at myrealbox.com From evans at ncseweb.org Wed Jul 24 22:18:48 2002 From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:18:48 -0700 Subject: [buug] KDE on a remote PC? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724221529.0274c1c0@mail.mindspring.com> Okay, once I get settled here I'll stop asking so many questions. Ian said he was not sure this scenario was possible but I did work under this environment at two, at least, different jobs and want to know if it's possible with BSD. Our Solaris servers fired up X windows on the server, but I don't think the server actually showed the desktop on its display. It had something running in the background, is what I think was going on. But anyway, we would connect through an X windows server, I believe Xceed was one we used at the first place, and it would find the KDE running on the server and you'd get the KDE on your PC, just like a workstation. It could be minimalized like any other application on your Windows machine, and then popped back open whenever you wanted access to it. Anyone see this before? Anyone know if BSD can do this? I've been assuming that it can. I mean, can't BSD do anything Solaris does, only better ;) Skip Evans Network Project Director National Center for Science Education 420 40th St, Suite 2 Oakland, CA 94609 510-601-7203 510-601-7204 (fax) 800-290-6006 evans at ncseweb.org http://www.ncseweb.org NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. To sign up send: subscribe ncse your at email.address to: majordomo at inia.cls.org From ndunphy at comnitel.com Thu Jul 25 03:37:13 2002 From: ndunphy at comnitel.com (Nick Dunphy) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:37:13 +0100 Subject: [buug] tee command hanging Message-ID: Hi folks, I'm attempting to use 'tee' within a wrapper script to log stdout & stderr to a file. Specifically it executes the following: command args 2>&1 | tee However we have dsicovered that for certain 3rd-party commands (i.e. executables) that the tee hangs and requires the operator to to complete the command, e.g. ndunphy at bandon% mskstart cdsp 2>&1 | tee nick # Warning: Starting framework module cdsp ... # Done ^Cndunphy at bandon% Has anyone seen this behaviour before with tee? If so, then is there a solution? If not, then does anyone propose an alternate solution? Nicholas Dunphy Comnitel Technologies Ltd. nicholas.dunphy at comnitel.com Important Email Information The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended addressee please contact the sender and dispose of this e-mail. From itz at speakeasy.org Thu Jul 25 07:16:51 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 25 Jul 2002 07:16:51 -0700 Subject: [buug] tee command hanging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86ofcv99kc.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> Nick> I'm attempting to use 'tee' within a wrapper script to log Nick> stdout & stderr to a file. Specifically it executes the Nick> following: Nick> command args 2>&1 | tee Nick> However we have dsicovered that for certain 3rd-party commands Nick> (i.e. executables) that the tee hangs and requires the operator Nick> to to complete the command, e.g. Nick> ndunphy at bandon% mskstart cdsp 2>&1 | tee nick Nick> # Warning: Starting framework module cdsp ... Nick> # Done Nick> Nick> ^Cndunphy at bandon% Are you so sure tee is to blame here? What happens in these cases: 1/ mskstart cdsp >nick 2>&1 2/ script nick ; mskstart cdsp 3/ run under a real shell (bash/ash/ksh) btw, do we know you? -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 EngSoc adopts market economy: cheap is wasteful, efficient is expensive. From unixjavabob at yahoo.com Thu Jul 25 11:56:19 2002 From: unixjavabob at yahoo.com (Bob Read) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] tee command hanging In-Reply-To: <86ofcv99kc.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> Message-ID: <20020725185619.45333.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > Nick> I'm attempting to use 'tee' within a wrapper > script to log > Nick> stdout & stderr to a file. Specifically it > executes the > Nick> following: > > Nick> command args 2>&1 | tee > Here's a workaround. I like to capture output in variables for parsing. then pipe the output to mailx. this avoids temporary files. so I do this all the time: #!/bin/sh OUTPUT=`command args 2>&1` echo "$OUTPUT" > logfile echo "$OUTPUT" ===== ----------------------------------------- Bob Read Senior Unix Administrator/DBA/Programmer cell (510)-703-1634 unixjavabob at yahoo.com ----------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From unixjavabob at yahoo.com Thu Jul 25 11:56:55 2002 From: unixjavabob at yahoo.com (Bob Read) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Re: [buug] KDE on a remote PC? Message-ID: <20020725185655.42536.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bob Read wrote: > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:51:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Read > Subject: Re: [buug] KDE on a remote PC? > To: Skip Evans > > Skip, > I think you're talking about the "XDMCP" > protocol, > which is supported by many X servers, including the > solaris X server. On solaris, the X server listens > for XDMCP messages and calls a program called > "dtlogin" to give you a login and remote X session > via > exceed or hummingbird. > Like you, I've only administered this on solaris. > > A quick search on yahoo for "XDMCP server BSD" > brought up a bunch of links like this one: > > http://librenix.com/?inode=745 > > Happy trails! > > Bob > > > --- Skip Evans wrote: > > Okay, once I get settled here I'll stop asking so > > many questions. Ian said he was not sure this > > scenario was possible but I did work under this > > environment at two, at least, different jobs and > > want to know if it's possible with BSD. > > > > Our Solaris servers fired up X windows on the > > server, but I don't think the server actually > showed > > the desktop on its display. It had something > running > > in the background, is what I think was going on. > But > > anyway, we would connect through an X windows > > server, I believe Xceed was one we used at the > first > > place, and it would find the KDE running on the > > server and you'd get the KDE on your PC, just like > a > > workstation. It could be minimalized like any > other > > application on your Windows machine, and then > popped > > back open whenever you wanted access to it. > > > > Anyone see this before? Anyone know if BSD can do > > this? I've been assuming that it can. I mean, > can't > > BSD do anything Solaris does, only better ;) > > > > > > Skip Evans > > Network Project Director > > National Center for Science Education > > 420 40th St, Suite 2 > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > 510-601-7203 > > 510-601-7204 (fax) > > 800-290-6006 > > evans at ncseweb.org > > http://www.ncseweb.org > > > > NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please > > note that this is NOT a discussion list. You > cannot > > post messages for members to receive. We use this > > list to broadcast news about the > > creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. > > > > To sign up send: > > subscribe ncse your at email.address > > to: majordomo at inia.cls.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Buug mailing list > > Buug at weak.org > > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > > ===== > ----------------------------------------- > Bob Read > Senior Unix Administrator/DBA/Programmer > cell (510)-703-1634 > unixjavabob at yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > ===== ----------------------------------------- Bob Read Senior Unix Administrator/DBA/Programmer cell (510)-703-1634 unixjavabob at yahoo.com ----------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From evans at ncseweb.org Thu Jul 25 16:34:02 2002 From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:34:02 -0700 Subject: [buug] VNC and KDE? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020725163248.01fb7e08@mail.mindspring.com> Hi All, Nesbitt the Newbie here. Someone has told me I can get the KDE displayed on my PC from the BSD server by using a VNC, which, according to this learned gentleman, is much simpler to set up and lighter to run than an X server for the PC. Any comments? (Not about my weight!) Skip Evans Network Project Director National Center for Science Education 420 40th St, Suite 2 Oakland, CA 94609 510-601-7203 510-601-7204 (fax) 800-290-6006 evans at ncseweb.org http://www.ncseweb.org NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. To sign up send: subscribe ncse your at email.address to: majordomo at inia.cls.org From john at jjdev.com Thu Jul 25 17:01:39 2002 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:01:39 -0700 Subject: [buug] VNC and KDE? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020725163248.01fb7e08@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020725163248.01fb7e08@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020726000139.GA7091@vette.jjdev.com> On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 04:34:02PM -0700, Skip Evans wrote: > Hi All, > > Nesbitt the Newbie here. Someone has told me I can get the KDE displayed on my PC from the BSD server by using a VNC, which, according to this learned gentleman, is much simpler to set up and lighter to run than an X server for the PC. > > Any comments? (Not about my weight!) if you go to cygwin.com, you can seup a a X server with ease. From karshi.hasanov at utoronto.ca Thu Jul 25 20:08:10 2002 From: karshi.hasanov at utoronto.ca (Karshi) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:08:10 -0700 Subject: [buug] p4dc6+ Message-ID: <200207252008.10400.karshi.hasanov@utoronto.ca> Hi all, Does FreeBSD supports the supermicro motherboard "p4dc6+"? From jan at caustic.org Thu Jul 25 17:20:02 2002 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] p4dc6+ In-Reply-To: <200207252008.10400.karshi.hasanov@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20020725171801.M45362-100000@pogo.caustic.org> On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Karshi wrote: > Does FreeBSD supports the supermicro motherboard > "p4dc6+"? not to sound grumpy, but a little research on the freebsd.org website would answer this. http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.6R/hardware-i386.html#AEN15 if need be, contact freebsd-questions at freebsd.org -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan at caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche From atporter at primate.net Fri Jul 26 10:24:34 2002 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:24:34 -0700 Subject: [buug] Free Linuxworld Pass Message-ID: <20020726172434.GA26963@primate.net> Wasn't someone asking about free exhibits passes? Below is a snippet from a LinuxWorld spam that came over today: The keynote is open to all registered attendees. Simply register on-line today +or print this e-mail and bring it with you on-site at LinuxWorld. Remember to +use your Special Priority Code - LWEXH, it's your FREE Exhibits Pass ticket! For more information on LinuxWorld Conference & Expo, visit: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/ From itz at speakeasy.org Fri Jul 26 10:40:27 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 26 Jul 2002 10:40:27 -0700 Subject: [buug] Free Linuxworld Pass In-Reply-To: <20020726172434.GA26963@primate.net> References: <20020726172434.GA26963@primate.net> Message-ID: <86y9bycrqs.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> >>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron T Porter writes: Aaron> Wasn't someone asking about free exhibits passes? Below is a Aaron> snippet from a LinuxWorld spam that came over today: Aaron> The keynote is open to all registered attendees. Simply Aaron> register on-line today +or print this e-mail and bring it with Aaron> you on-site at LinuxWorld. Remember to +use your Special Aaron> Priority Code - LWEXH, it's your FREE Exhibits Pass ticket! Aaron> For more information on LinuxWorld Conference & Expo, visit: Aaron> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/ Oh, right. Quoth that webpage: >> Please note: In order to register on-line, you MUST be using >> Netscape 4.5 or later, Internet Explorer 4.0 or later, Mozilla or >> Opera. In addition, you MUST have all cookies and Javascript >> related functions ENABLED to ensure a successful registration. If >> you are not using the proper browser, or choose to disable these >> features, you are welcome to register by Mail or Fax . So I downloaded the PDF form, and it has a different Priority Code preselected (LWML). It's just a scam to harvest addresses, if you ask me. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 EngSoc adopts market economy: cheap is wasteful, efficient is expensive. From atporter at primate.net Fri Jul 26 10:48:07 2002 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:48:07 -0700 Subject: [buug] Free Linuxworld Pass In-Reply-To: <86y9bycrqs.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> References: <20020726172434.GA26963@primate.net> <86y9bycrqs.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> Message-ID: <20020726174807.GA16264@primate.net> On Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 10:40:27AM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Aaron> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/ > > >> Please note: In order to register on-line, you MUST be using > >> Netscape 4.5 or later, Internet Explorer 4.0 or later, Mozilla or > >> Opera. In addition, you MUST have all cookies and Javascript > >> related functions ENABLED to ensure a successful registration. If > >> you are not using the proper browser, or choose to disable these > >> features, you are welcome to register by Mail or Fax . > > So I downloaded the PDF form, and it has a different Priority Code > preselected (LWML). > > It's just a scam to harvest addresses, if you ask me. The nastiness of their website has been well covered elsewhere. It's not so much of an address collection scam as one to fill a large space with warm bodies. If you'd prefer a different free offer, this one claims to offer prefered seating for the McNeally keynote. I haven't visited this site, so they may be out of seats. VIP PASSES INCLUDE: ============================ * FREE admission to the Exhibit Floor Aug 13 -15, 2002 * Keynotes * Feature Presentations * Birds of a Feather Meetings * Taste of Linux series and Linux Around the World sessions * All Sun's VIP Day programs/activities Space is limited - Register today! http://www.sun.com/us-signup/ Event Id: bigbear Password: sun From evans at ncseweb.org Tue Jul 30 15:57:32 2002 From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:57:32 -0700 Subject: [buug] Recommend a Unix reference? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730155634.02205718@mail.mindspring.com> Hey all, I need to get a Unix reference book here for my FreeBSD box. I have the BSD manual, but figure I need a good Unix reference as well. Any recommendations? Places on the web I can find a used one? Skip Evans Network Project Director National Center for Science Education 420 40th St, Suite 2 Oakland, CA 94609 510-601-7203 510-601-7204 (fax) 800-290-6006 evans at ncseweb.org http://www.ncseweb.org NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. To sign up send: subscribe ncse your at email.address to: majordomo at inia.cls.org From evans at ncseweb.org Tue Jul 30 16:02:49 2002 From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:02:49 -0700 Subject: [buug] ...And a PHP reference? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730160143.02205858@mail.mindspring.com> Sorry for the double o-tundra, I'll also need a PHP book... recommendations? I see on the web many of them are geared towards MySQL, but I imagine on a BSD box I can get a better DB than MySQL. Recommendations there? Skip Evans Network Project Director National Center for Science Education 420 40th St, Suite 2 Oakland, CA 94609 510-601-7203 510-601-7204 (fax) 800-290-6006 evans at ncseweb.org http://www.ncseweb.org NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. To sign up send: subscribe ncse your at email.address to: majordomo at inia.cls.org From john at jjdev.com Tue Jul 30 16:26:24 2002 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:26:24 -0700 Subject: [buug] ...And a PHP reference? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730160143.02205858@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730160143.02205858@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020730232624.GA14062@vette.jjdev.com> On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 04:02:49PM -0700, Skip Evans wrote: > Sorry for the double o-tundra, > > I'll also need a PHP book... recommendations? I see on the web many of them are geared towards MySQL, but I imagine on a BSD box I can get a better DB than MySQL. Recommendations there? what do you mean by better? When you say on a BSD box you'd image a better DB. What is that in comparison to? From jan at caustic.org Tue Jul 30 16:28:11 2002 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Recommend a Unix reference? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730155634.02205718@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020730160759.G45362-100000@pogo.caustic.org> On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Skip Evans wrote: > I need to get a Unix reference book here for my FreeBSD box. I have the > BSD manual, but figure I need a good Unix reference as well. Any > recommendations? Places on the web I can find a used one? depending on the kind of reference you want.. O'Reilly's UNIX in a Nutshell http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/unixnut3/ Tends to be fairly SYSV specific, but some is very applicable to your linux or BSD box. it's mostly Man Pages, and summeries of them. O'Reilly's Essential System Administration http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/esa3/ General UNIX reference book. Worth the cash. 2nd edition is a bit old, published in 1995. 3rd edition will be out in August, or so. O'Reilly's UNIX Power Tools, 2nd Ed. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/upt2/ Good for the "right tool, right job" and "how can i do this" type of reference. find a used copy, though. much of the info can be found with a little work on the Web. The Purple Book (UNIX System Administration Handbook, 3rd Ed) [1] an URL.. Another SA book, i hear good things about it, but i've never read it myself. The FreeBSD Handbook [2] another URL.. FreeBSD specific, covers most basic FreeBSD things in decent detail. The URLs from above. [1] http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0130206016/qid=1028070974/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-8219430-9087010 [2] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html this is, of course, off the top of my head. there's more and better references out there, i suspect. and remember, apropos(1) is your friend. as far as finding used tech books, i think you're mostly trapped. i'm a bit of a pack rat, and have loaned out older copies of various books, but my standby are in the shelf, just in case i need them. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan at caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche From jammer at weak.org Tue Jul 30 16:30:35 2002 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:30:35 -0700 Subject: [buug] ...And a PHP reference? In-Reply-To: <20020730232624.GA14062@vette.jjdev.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730160143.02205858@mail.mindspring.com> <20020730232624.GA14062@vette.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <20020730233035.GH14463@weak.org> On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 04:26:24PM -0700, johnd wrote: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 04:02:49PM -0700, Skip Evans wrote: > > Sorry for the double o-tundra, > > > > I'll also need a PHP book... recommendations? I see on the web many of them are geared towards MySQL, but I imagine on a BSD box I can get a better DB than MySQL. Recommendations there? > > what do you mean by better? When you say on a BSD box you'd image a better > DB. What is that in comparison to? PostgreSQL is the canonical "better than MySQL" database. But, for most web development, MySQL is more than enough. -Jon From evans at ncseweb.org Tue Jul 30 18:40:18 2002 From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:40:18 -0700 Subject: [buug] CD getting stuck Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730183850.012ed708@mail.mindspring.com> Hi All, I got a faster box, 500Mhz and an 8 gig hard drive for our BSD server I'm putting together but I'm having a weird problem with the CD drive. Once I've accessed it using /stand/sysinstall, it no longer wants to come out of the drive until I shutdown BSD and hit the reset button. While the machine is resetting I can then get the CD out. Any ideas? Skip Evans Network Project Director National Center for Science Education 420 40th St, Suite 2 Oakland, CA 94609 510-601-7203 510-601-7204 (fax) 800-290-6006 evans at ncseweb.org http://www.ncseweb.org NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. 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To sign up send: subscribe ncse your at email.address to: majordomo at inia.cls.org From jan at caustic.org Tue Jul 30 20:13:11 2002 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] CD getting stuck In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730183850.012ed708@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020730200817.U45362-100000@pogo.caustic.org> On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Skip Evans wrote: > Hi All, > > I got a faster box, 500Mhz and an 8 gig hard drive for our BSD server > I'm putting together but I'm having a weird problem with the CD drive. > Once I've accessed it using /stand/sysinstall, it no longer wants to > come out of the drive until I shutdown BSD and hit the reset button. > While the machine is resetting I can then get the CD out. > > Any ideas? usually if the cdrom is mounted it can't be ejected. if you're accessing /stand/sysinstall you may have had the cdrom automatically mounted. so, check it after exiting sysinstall, and then fire off mount to see if /cdrom has been mounted. specifically look for /dev/acd0c being mounted. hope this gives you something to go on. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan at caustic.org "John Ashcroft is really just the reanimated corpse of J. Edgar Hoover." -- Tim Triche From ms at formulae.org Tue Jul 30 15:59:58 2002 From: ms at formulae.org (Michael Salmon) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:59:58 -0700 Subject: [buug] Recommend a Unix reference? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730155634.02205718@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020730155634.02205718@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020730155958.D55048@formulae.org> I always thought this book had good stuff in it. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/upt2/ very general unix stuff. ms On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 03:57:32PM -0700, Skip Evans wrote: > Hey all, > > I need to get a Unix reference book here for my FreeBSD box. I have the BSD manual, but figure I need a good Unix reference as well. Any recommendations? Places on the web I can find a used one? > > > Skip Evans > Network Project Director > National Center for Science Education > 420 40th St, Suite 2 > Oakland, CA 94609 > 510-601-7203 > 510-601-7204 (fax) > 800-290-6006 > evans at ncseweb.org > http://www.ncseweb.org > > NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. > > To sign up send: > subscribe ncse your at email.address > to: majordomo at inia.cls.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From itz at speakeasy.org Wed Jul 31 15:20:50 2002 From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 31 Jul 2002 15:20:50 -0700 Subject: [buug] meeting Message-ID: <86y9br35fh.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net> At the time of the up-coming meeting, I'll most probably attend the event announced here: http://www.globalexchange.org/getInvolved/bayarea.html (Spoiling for a Fight). I aplogize to those who expected to meet me this time, and I hope next time we'll have a better match. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA087 9C0F 194F 203A 63F7 B1B8 6E5A 8CA3 27DB 433B A087 EngSoc adopts market economy: cheap is wasteful, efficient is expensive.