From alex at myzona.net  Wed Apr  2 16:45:40 2003
From: alex at myzona.net (Aleksandr Melentiev)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:45:40 -0800
Subject: [buug] watchdog timeout
Message-ID: <000d01c2f97a$5a79e720$0300a8c0@kronos>

Hello all,

I am having a trouble with a watchdog timeout problem that occurs with a
network card. First I thought its the network card (SMC), but then I changed
it to a 3Com card and still having the same error:

xl0: watchdog timeout

When this randomly occurs, my console and ssh sessions stop responding,
sometimes the internet dissapears. Then only thing I can do is cold-reboot
the server.
My other card which is on-board (its an Intel N440BX mobo) works just fine.
I am suspecting that it could be because of the faulty PCI riser thru which
the network card is hooked up (its a 2U rackmount server). Cabling is fine.

Anyone have any ideas of where the problem lies and how to fix it? I am
running FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE-p6.

Thanks in advance.
Alex.



From unixjavabob at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  2 17:34:26 2003
From: unixjavabob at yahoo.com (Bob Read)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:34:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [buug] watchdog timeout
In-Reply-To: <000d01c2f97a$5a79e720$0300a8c0@kronos>
Message-ID: <20030403013426.63264.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Alex,
   I've never been bitten by the watchdog timeout, but
other people have...here's the results from
google...good luck!:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=xl0%3A+watchdog+timeout&btnG=Google+Search

Bob R.

--- Aleksandr Melentiev <alex at myzona.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I am having a trouble with a watchdog timeout
> problem that occurs with a
> network card. First I thought its the network card
> (SMC), but then I changed
> it to a 3Com card and still having the same error:
> 
> xl0: watchdog timeout
> 
> When this randomly occurs, my console and ssh
> sessions stop responding,
> sometimes the internet dissapears. Then only thing I
> can do is cold-reboot
> the server.
> My other card which is on-board (its an Intel N440BX
> mobo) works just fine.
> I am suspecting that it could be because of the
> faulty PCI riser thru which
> the network card is hooked up (its a 2U rackmount
> server). Cabling is fine.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas of where the problem lies and
> how to fix it? I am
> running FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE-p6.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Alex.
> 
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> Buug mailing list
> Buug at weak.org
> http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug


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From wfhoney at pacbell.net  Thu Apr  3 21:58:26 2003
From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Wm. F. Honeycutt)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:58:26 -0800
Subject: [buug] Sun shines again
Message-ID: <3E8D1F02.9010105@pacbell.net>

Thanks to Jon and Aaron...I dribbled the Stop+A keys like a Harlem 
Globetrotter while booting the Ultra.  That did the trick!



From itz at speakeasy.org  Thu Apr  3 22:59:32 2003
From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: 03 Apr 2003 22:59:32 -0800
Subject: [buug] randomized linux
Message-ID: <863cky3fzf.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net>

By the way, I have been running the kernel with the randomized PID
patch for over a week, and I think it is completely safe.  Apart from
PIDs it also randomizes ephemeral client ports, which is probably even
more important for security on a user workstation.

Last I heard, OpenBSD still haven't cloned apt-get :-)

-- 
"This is the patent age of new inventions
For killing bodies, and for saving souls,
All propagated with the best intentions." 
George Gordon, lord Byron


From jan at caustic.org  Thu Apr  3 23:01:52 2003
From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 23:01:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [buug] randomized linux
In-Reply-To: <863cky3fzf.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net>
Message-ID: <20030403230140.H613-100000@pogo.caustic.org>

On 3 Apr 2003, Ian Zimmerman wrote:

> Last I heard, OpenBSD still haven't cloned apt-get :-)

probably for the best.

-------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+
  http://caustic.org/~jan                      jan at caustic.org
	"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for
	  my sham friends." -- Tom Waits



From wfhoney at pacbell.net  Fri Apr  4 15:14:22 2003
From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Bill Honeycutt)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:14:22 -0800
Subject: [buug] User/Group turbulence
Message-ID: <3E8E11CE.90307@pacbell.net>

Hi,

I've once again managed to be creative :0)

I've somehow corrupted /etc/group file on a lowly fileserver such that 
I'm getting the wrong user:group on newly created files.

Example:

Compiling mysql, I untar the source from a bash shell as root.  I expect 
to see all the files owned by

	root:root

...but instead see

	tom:dick

How did I get into this "Harry" situation?

Can it be fixed?



From wfhoney at pacbell.net  Fri Apr  4 15:15:54 2003
From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Bill Honeycutt)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:15:54 -0800
Subject: [buug] User/Group turbulence...part II
Message-ID: <3E8E122A.6030807@pacbell.net>

Forgot to mention...this problem is on a Linux 2.4 installation.



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Fri Apr  4 16:17:16 2003
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:17:16 -0800
Subject: [buug] User/Group turbulence
In-Reply-To: <3E8E11CE.90307@pacbell.net>
References: <3E8E11CE.90307@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <20030405001716.GG30227@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Bill Honeycutt (wfhoney at pacbell.net):

> I've somehow corrupted /etc/group file on a lowly fileserver....

Well, maybe not.  (Note:  The above is your _diagnosis_, which isn't a
useful thing to post.  If you were so good at diagnosis, would you be
seeking help?  Fortunately, you posted the symptoms, too:)

> Compiling mysql, I untar the source from a bash shell as root.  I expect 
> to see all the files owned by
> 
> 	root:root
> 
> ...but instead see
> 
> 	tom:dick

You untarred it as the _root_ user, didn't you?  Unpacking
mysql-4.0.10-gamma.tar.gz with root authority, I get:

uncle-enzo:/tmp/mysql-4.0.10-gamma# ls -al | more
total 1693
drwxrwxrwx   34 503      users        1024 Jan 29 03:50 .
drwxrwxrwt    4 root     root         8192 Apr  4 16:10 ..
drwxrwxrwx    2 503      users        1024 Jan 29 03:50 BUILD
-rw-r--r--    1 503      users       19106 Jan 29 03:30 COPYING
-rw-r--r--    1 503      users       28003 Jan 29 03:30 COPYING.LIB
-rw-r--r--    1 503      users       37745 Jan 29 03:29 ChangeLog
drwxrwxrwx    4 503      users        1024 Jan 29 03:50 Docs
[...]

Unpacking the same file with user "rick" authority, I get:

/tmp/mysql-4.0.10-gamma $ ls -al | more
total 1693
drwxr-xr-x   34 rick     rick         1024 2003-01-29 03:50 .
drwxrwxrwt    4 root     root         8192 2003-04-04 16:13 ..
-rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick         6256 2003-01-29 03:29 acconfig.h
-rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        38584 2003-01-29 03:29 acinclude.m4
-rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick       170496 2003-01-29 03:29 aclocal.m4
drwxr-xr-x   48 rick     rick         1024 2003-01-29 03:50 bdb
drwxr-xr-x    2 rick     rick         1024 2003-01-29 03:50 BUILD
-rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        37745 2003-01-29 03:29 ChangeLog
drwxr-xr-x    2 rick     rick         1024 2003-01-29 03:50 client
-rwxr-xr-x    1 rick     rick        38693 2003-01-29 03:29 config.guess
-rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        21619 2003-01-29 03:29 config.h.in
-rwxr-xr-x    1 rick     rick        28114 2003-01-29 03:29 config.sub
-rwxr-xr-x    1 rick     rick       676004 2003-01-29 03:29 configure
-rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        77516 2003-01-29 03:29 configure.in
-rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        19106 2003-01-29 03:30 COPYING
-rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        28003 2003-01-29 03:30 COPYING.LIB
drwxr-xr-x    2 rick     rick         1024 2003-01-29 03:50 dbug
[...]

(Different sort order, but you get the idea.)

Suggestion:  _Don't_ use root authority when you don't need it.

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From wfhoney at pacbell.net  Fri Apr  4 16:50:32 2003
From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Bill Honeycutt)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:50:32 -0800
Subject: [buug] User/Group turbulence
In-Reply-To: <20030405001716.GG30227@linuxmafia.com>
References: <3E8E11CE.90307@pacbell.net> <20030405001716.GG30227@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <3E8E2858.7010709@pacbell.net>

Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bill Honeycutt (wfhoney at pacbell.net):
> 
> 
>>I've somehow corrupted /etc/group file on a lowly fileserver....
> 
> 
> Well, maybe not.  (Note:  The above is your _diagnosis_, which isn't a
> useful thing to post.  If you were so good at diagnosis, would you be
> seeking help?  Fortunately, you posted the symptoms, too:)

I know you say that with the kindest of intentions, so your words are 
taken in the spirit that they're offered.  :-)

>>Compiling mysql, I untar the source from a bash shell as root.  I expect 
>>to see all the files owned by
>>
>>	root:root
>>
>>...but instead see
>>
>>	tom:dick

Interestingly, tom's UID is 503...which might explain the first 
contradiction.  I hadn't noticed that until I saw your results.

-------------- snip -------------------
> uncle-enzo:/tmp/mysql-4.0.10-gamma# ls -al | more
> total 1693
> drwxrwxrwx   34 503      users        1024 Jan 29 03:50
-------------- snip -------------------

> Unpacking the same file with user "rick" authority, I get:
> 
> /tmp/mysql-4.0.10-gamma $ ls -al | more
> total 1693
> drwxr-xr-x   34 rick     rick         1024 2003-01-29 03:50 .
> drwxrwxrwt    4 root     root         8192 2003-04-04 16:13 ..
> -rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick         6256 2003-01-29 03:29 acconfig.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        38584 2003-01-29 03:29 acinclude.m4
> -rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick       170496 2003-01-29 03:29 aclocal.m4
-------------- snip -------------------

Following suit, I used my own authority to untar and got the same 
results as you.

> 
> Suggestion:  _Don't_ use root authority when you don't need it.
> 

Yes, wise words indeed.



From unixjavabob at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 17:00:03 2003
From: unixjavabob at yahoo.com (Bob Read)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:00:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [buug] User/Group turbulence
In-Reply-To: <20030405001716.GG30227@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <20030405010003.93935.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>

Also, Bill, if you're using tar, I think there's a
command-line flag for choosing to use the tar file's
user/group info for each file, or the current user's. 
Might be "-v".  Maybe similar flag for gzip/gunzip?

I know the man pages are just seconds away, and I
could look it up myself, but sh*t, it's Friday, sorry
dude.

Bob R.

--- Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Bill Honeycutt (wfhoney at pacbell.net):
> 
> > I've somehow corrupted /etc/group file on a lowly
> fileserver....
> 
> Well, maybe not.  (Note:  The above is your
> _diagnosis_, which isn't a
> useful thing to post.  If you were so good at
> diagnosis, would you be
> seeking help?  Fortunately, you posted the symptoms,
> too:)
> 
> > Compiling mysql, I untar the source from a bash
> shell as root.  I expect 
> > to see all the files owned by
> > 
> > 	root:root
> > 
> > ...but instead see
> > 
> > 	tom:dick
> 
> You untarred it as the _root_ user, didn't you? 
> Unpacking
> mysql-4.0.10-gamma.tar.gz with root authority, I
> get:
> 
> uncle-enzo:/tmp/mysql-4.0.10-gamma# ls -al | more
> total 1693
> drwxrwxrwx   34 503      users        1024 Jan 29
> 03:50 .
> drwxrwxrwt    4 root     root         8192 Apr  4
> 16:10 ..
> drwxrwxrwx    2 503      users        1024 Jan 29
> 03:50 BUILD
> -rw-r--r--    1 503      users       19106 Jan 29
> 03:30 COPYING
> -rw-r--r--    1 503      users       28003 Jan 29
> 03:30 COPYING.LIB
> -rw-r--r--    1 503      users       37745 Jan 29
> 03:29 ChangeLog
> drwxrwxrwx    4 503      users        1024 Jan 29
> 03:50 Docs
> [...]
> 
> Unpacking the same file with user "rick" authority,
> I get:
> 
> /tmp/mysql-4.0.10-gamma $ ls -al | more
> total 1693
> drwxr-xr-x   34 rick     rick         1024
> 2003-01-29 03:50 .
> drwxrwxrwt    4 root     root         8192
> 2003-04-04 16:13 ..
> -rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick         6256
> 2003-01-29 03:29 acconfig.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        38584
> 2003-01-29 03:29 acinclude.m4
> -rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick       170496
> 2003-01-29 03:29 aclocal.m4
> drwxr-xr-x   48 rick     rick         1024
> 2003-01-29 03:50 bdb
> drwxr-xr-x    2 rick     rick         1024
> 2003-01-29 03:50 BUILD
> -rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        37745
> 2003-01-29 03:29 ChangeLog
> drwxr-xr-x    2 rick     rick         1024
> 2003-01-29 03:50 client
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 rick     rick        38693
> 2003-01-29 03:29 config.guess
> -rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        21619
> 2003-01-29 03:29 config.h.in
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 rick     rick        28114
> 2003-01-29 03:29 config.sub
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 rick     rick       676004
> 2003-01-29 03:29 configure
> -rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        77516
> 2003-01-29 03:29 configure.in
> -rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        19106
> 2003-01-29 03:30 COPYING
> -rw-r--r--    1 rick     rick        28003
> 2003-01-29 03:30 COPYING.LIB
> drwxr-xr-x    2 rick     rick         1024
> 2003-01-29 03:50 dbug
> [...]
> 
> (Different sort order, but you get the idea.)
> 
> Suggestion:  _Don't_ use root authority when you
> don't need it.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,                              "Open your
> present...."
> Rick Moen                            "No, you open
> your present...."
> rick at linuxmafia.com                  Kaczinski
> Christmas.
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From wfhoney at pacbell.net  Fri Apr  4 17:16:09 2003
From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Bill Honeycutt)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 17:16:09 -0800
Subject: [buug] User/Group turbulence
In-Reply-To: <20030405010003.93935.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030405010003.93935.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3E8E2E59.6050107@pacbell.net>

Bob Read wrote:
> Also, Bill, if you're using tar, I think there's a
> command-line flag for choosing to use the tar file's
> user/group info for each file, or the current user's. 
> Might be "-v".  Maybe similar flag for gzip/gunzip?
> 
> I know the man pages are just seconds away, and I
> could look it up myself, but sh*t, it's Friday, sorry
> dude.
> 
> Bob R.

I use:
	tar zxvf <filename>

Maybe someone could explain what happens when the root authority is 
used, why it generates the files with the original uid:gid.  Does tar 
maintain root privileges while the file is being expanded...or does the 
priivilege level change during processing?

May as well learn something here ;-)




From jammer at weak.org  Fri Apr  4 17:49:59 2003
From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:49:59 -0800
Subject: [buug] User/Group turbulence
In-Reply-To: <3E8E2E59.6050107@pacbell.net>
References: <20030405010003.93935.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> <3E8E2E59.6050107@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <20030405014959.GA18263@weak.org>

On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 05:16:09PM -0800, Bill Honeycutt wrote:
> I use:
> 	tar zxvf <filename>
> 
> Maybe someone could explain what happens when the root authority is 
> used, why it generates the files with the original uid:gid.  Does tar 
> maintain root privileges while the file is being expanded...or does the 
> priivilege level change during processing?
> 
> May as well learn something here ;-)

Tar stores the permissions and ownership of each file in the archive.
But it stores numeric values, not the string values. When you unpack the 
archive, it tries to restore those values as best it can. Which means
that as root, it'll create the files with those funky owners, whereas
as a normal user, it'll create the files owned by that user, because
a normal user can't create files owned by someone else.

-Jon



From unixjavabob at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  4 18:57:45 2003
From: unixjavabob at yahoo.com (Bob Read)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 18:57:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [buug] User/Group turbulence
In-Reply-To: <20030405014959.GA18263@weak.org>
Message-ID: <20030405025745.9479.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>

If memory serves, that's what the "v" does, so you
could try:

tar zxf <filename>


--- Jon McClintock <jammer at weak.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 05:16:09PM -0800, Bill
> Honeycutt wrote:
> > I use:
> > 	tar zxvf <filename>
> > 
> > Maybe someone could explain what happens when the
> root authority is 
> > used, why it generates the files with the original
> uid:gid.  Does tar 
> > maintain root privileges while the file is being
> expanded...or does the 
> > priivilege level change during processing?
> > 
> > May as well learn something here ;-)
> 
> Tar stores the permissions and ownership of each
> file in the archive.
> But it stores numeric values, not the string values.
> When you unpack the 
> archive, it tries to restore those values as best it
> can. Which means
> that as root, it'll create the files with those
> funky owners, whereas
> as a normal user, it'll create the files owned by
> that user, because
> a normal user can't create files owned by someone
> else.
> 
> -Jon
> 
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From jammer at weak.org  Fri Apr  4 19:30:10 2003
From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:30:10 -0800
Subject: [buug] User/Group turbulence
In-Reply-To: <20030405025745.9479.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030405014959.GA18263@weak.org> <20030405025745.9479.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030405033010.GA26121@weak.org>

On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 06:57:45PM -0800, Bob Read wrote:
> If memory serves, that's what the "v" does, so you
> could try:
> 
> tar zxf <filename>

Nope. 'v' just causes tar to print out all of the files it processes.

-Jon


From itz at speakeasy.org  Fri Apr  4 20:04:37 2003
From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: 04 Apr 2003 20:04:37 -0800
Subject: [buug] User/Group turbulence
In-Reply-To: <20030405033010.GA26121@weak.org>
References: <20030405014959.GA18263@weak.org>
	<20030405025745.9479.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20030405033010.GA26121@weak.org>
Message-ID: <864r5d37ze.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net>

>> tar zxf <filename>

Jon> Nope. 'v' just causes tar to print out all of the files it
Jon> processes.

With GNU tar, it's --no-same-owner.

-- 
"This is the patent age of new inventions
For killing bodies, and for saving souls,
All propagated with the best intentions." 
George Gordon, lord Byron


From wfhoney at pacbell.net  Fri Apr  4 22:09:11 2003
From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Wm. F. Honeycutt)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 22:09:11 -0800
Subject: [buug] User/Group turbulence
References: <20030405014959.GA18263@weak.org>
 <20030405025745.9479.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>
 <20030405033010.GA26121@weak.org>
Message-ID: <3E8E7307.4030303@pacbell.net>

Thanks Ian, Rick, Bob, and Jon for the informative feedback.   Much to 
chew on!



From itz at speakeasy.org  Wed Apr  9 17:33:20 2003
From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: 09 Apr 2003 17:33:20 -0700
Subject: [buug] Mozilla again
Message-ID: <86r88bnqcv.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net>

This horse is just about dead, but I hate the fonts in Mozilla :-(

What I would like is just 1 sans and one serif font, but that's just
what I cannot seem to be able to do.  Either I clear "Allow other fonts"
in Preferences, and then I get one font for everything, or I set it
and then Mozilla honors all the damned <font> garbage.

Worse, when Allow is set Mozilla seems to always prefer <font
face=...> over inherited CSS properties, even if the latter are
!important.

Is this a bug?  Should it be reported? Does anyone care?

-- 
"This is the patent age of new inventions
For killing bodies, and for saving souls,
All propagated with the best intentions." 
George Gordon, lord Byron


From evans at ncseweb.org  Sun Apr 13 20:03:26 2003
From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:03:26 -0700
Subject: [buug] She blow'd up real good
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030413195754.00b66358@mail.mindspring.com>

Hey all,

I've got a site I developed with PostNuke, a pretty good PHP content
management system. But I don't know how I manage to do what I did
today while doing some development work on it, but now it won't load
the index.php file, and when I just go to the URL of the site it gives
me a listing of the files in the site's root directory, but index.php is not
listed, and if I type it in directly to the URL field of the browser it just
bounces right back to the file listing.

I can see the file at my OS prompt, so I know it is there. I checked the
httpd.conf file in Apache, just to make sure it still had index.php as 
one of the default pages, and it did.

But I don't understand why it shows up at the OS prompt, but the 
browser can't see it.

I can select the login file and get into the site and everything functions
fine, but index.php sets up the whole front page with articles, etc.

Any ideas would be most helpful, as I'm quite lost at this point. Did I
blow up a directory structure or something somewhere? Oh, like I
would know...

Thanks,
Skip


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From evans at ncseweb.org  Sun Apr 13 20:09:22 2003
From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:09:22 -0700
Subject: [buug] She blow'd up real good
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030413195754.00b66358@mail.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030413200835.0246e000@mail.mindspring.com>

Oh, guess I should have said, I'm running FreeBSD 4.5 and
Apache (which I mentioned below), MySQL for a database if that 
makes any difference.


At 08:03 PM 4/13/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>I've got a site I developed with PostNuke, a pretty good PHP content
>management system. But I don't know how I manage to do what I did
>today while doing some development work on it, but now it won't load
>the index.php file, and when I just go to the URL of the site it gives
>me a listing of the files in the site's root directory, but index.php is not
>listed, and if I type it in directly to the URL field of the browser it just
>bounces right back to the file listing.
>
>I can see the file at my OS prompt, so I know it is there. I checked the
>httpd.conf file in Apache, just to make sure it still had index.php as 
>one of the default pages, and it did.
>
>But I don't understand why it shows up at the OS prompt, but the 
>browser can't see it.
>
>I can select the login file and get into the site and everything functions
>fine, but index.php sets up the whole front page with articles, etc.
>
>Any ideas would be most helpful, as I'm quite lost at this point. Did I
>blow up a directory structure or something somewhere? Oh, like I
>would know...
>
>Thanks,
>Skip
>
>
>Skip Evans
>Network Project Director
>National Center for Science Education
>420 40th St, Suite 2
>Oakland, CA 94609
>510-601-7203 Ext. 308
>510-601-7204 (fax)
>800-290-6006
>evans at ncseweb.org
> http://www.ncseweb.org
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From evans at ncseweb.org  Mon Apr 14 11:57:02 2003
From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:57:02 -0700
Subject: [buug] Anyone up for some quick work?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030414114512.02ac7d30@mail.mindspring.com>

Hey all,

The problem I described in a previous email persists. A PHP
site I have simply will not process index.php, it just hangs
and times out, but I can go into the site through other files
and things function fine.

I've done a complete restore of the site from a backup, but to
no avail.

Additionally odd is the fact that Apache is not logging anything
into the log files, even when I go into the site through another
route and tromp all over the place.

If there are any Emergency Fireman out there who can spare
a few hours to get this resolved send me your rate and perhaps
call me on the number below. I'm desperate to get this site back
up, as it is becoming pretty integral to what we do here.

I do this stuff for our organization in my spare time, so my days
cannot be spent on this tuff, leaving me to toil away in the evenings.

Thanks!


Skip Evans
Network Project Director
National Center for Science Education
420 40th St, Suite 2
Oakland, CA 94609
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510-601-7204 (fax)
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From atporter at primate.net  Mon Apr 14 13:04:18 2003
From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:04:18 -0700
Subject: [buug] Anyone up for some quick work?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030414114512.02ac7d30@mail.mindspring.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030414114512.02ac7d30@mail.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20030414200418.GV12607@primate.net>

	You want to do this for pay, or should I help him?

On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 11:57:02AM -0700, Skip Evans wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> The problem I described in a previous email persists. A PHP
> site I have simply will not process index.php, it just hangs
> and times out, but I can go into the site through other files
> and things function fine.
> 
> I've done a complete restore of the site from a backup, but to
> no avail.
> 
> Additionally odd is the fact that Apache is not logging anything
> into the log files, even when I go into the site through another
> route and tromp all over the place.
> 
> If there are any Emergency Fireman out there who can spare
> a few hours to get this resolved send me your rate and perhaps
> call me on the number below. I'm desperate to get this site back
> up, as it is becoming pretty integral to what we do here.
> 
> I do this stuff for our organization in my spare time, so my days
> cannot be spent on this tuff, leaving me to toil away in the evenings.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Skip Evans
> Network Project Director
> National Center for Science Education
> 420 40th St, Suite 2
> Oakland, CA 94609
> 510-601-7203 Ext. 308
> 510-601-7204 (fax)
> 800-290-6006
> evans at ncseweb.org
>  http://www.ncseweb.org
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From wfhoney at pacbell.net  Mon Apr 14 14:23:18 2003
From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Wm. F. Honeycutt)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:23:18 -0700
Subject: [buug] She blow'd up real good
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030413200835.0246e000@mail.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <3E9B26C6.4040300@pacbell.net>

Skip Evans wrote:
>>
>>But I don't understand why it shows up at the OS prompt, but the 
>>browser can't see it.
>>
>>I can select the login file and get into the site and everything functions
>>fine, but index.php sets up the whole front page with articles, etc.
>>
>>Any ideas would be most helpful, as I'm quite lost at this point. Did I
>>blow up a directory structure or something somewhere? Oh, like I
>>would know...


Put phpinfo.php in that path...can apache serve that file?
What do you see when you try 'apachectl configtest'?





From evans at ncseweb.org  Mon Apr 14 13:36:50 2003
From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:36:50 -0700
Subject: [buug] Anyone up for some quick work?
In-Reply-To: <20030414200418.GV12607@primate.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030414114512.02ac7d30@mail.mindspring.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20030414114512.02ac7d30@mail.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030414133552.02acb8a0@mail.mindspring.com>

Oh, didn't realize that was Ian,

Hi guys, whatever works, I just need to get this fixed as soon
as possible.

I've got people trying to access the site, and I sure don't want to
show them how to get around the sign on screen.

Skip

At 01:04 PM 4/14/2003 -0700, Aaron T Porter wrote:

>        You want to do this for pay, or should I help him?
>
>On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 11:57:02AM -0700, Skip Evans wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> The problem I described in a previous email persists. A PHP
>> site I have simply will not process index.php, it just hangs
>> and times out, but I can go into the site through other files
>> and things function fine.
>> 
>> I've done a complete restore of the site from a backup, but to
>> no avail.
>> 
>> Additionally odd is the fact that Apache is not logging anything
>> into the log files, even when I go into the site through another
>> route and tromp all over the place.
>> 
>> If there are any Emergency Fireman out there who can spare
>> a few hours to get this resolved send me your rate and perhaps
>> call me on the number below. I'm desperate to get this site back
>> up, as it is becoming pretty integral to what we do here.
>> 
>> I do this stuff for our organization in my spare time, so my days
>> cannot be spent on this tuff, leaving me to toil away in the evenings.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> Skip Evans
>> Network Project Director
>> National Center for Science Education
>> 420 40th St, Suite 2
>> Oakland, CA 94609
>> 510-601-7203 Ext. 308
>> 510-601-7204 (fax)
>> 800-290-6006
>> evans at ncseweb.org
>>  http://www.ncseweb.org
>> 
>> NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that 
>> this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members
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>> creationism/evolution issue to interested parties.
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From atporter at primate.net  Mon Apr 14 13:47:43 2003
From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:47:43 -0700
Subject: [buug] Anyone up for some quick work?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030414114512.02ac7d30@mail.mindspring.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030414114512.02ac7d30@mail.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20030414204743.GX12607@primate.net>

On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 11:57:02AM -0700, Skip Evans wrote:
 
> Additionally odd is the fact that Apache is not logging anything
> into the log files, even when I go into the site through another
> route and tromp all over the place.

	Are you out of disk space? Does the user apache is running as have
write access to the log files?


From john at jjdev.com  Mon Apr 14 13:48:48 2003
From: john at jjdev.com (johnd)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:48:48 -0700
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
Message-ID: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com>

any programmers out there forced to work with sourcesafe?

If so, do you know of any unix clients?




From harpo at thebackrow.net  Mon Apr 14 13:53:26 2003
From: harpo at thebackrow.net (Will Lowe)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:53:26 -0700
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com>
Message-ID: <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net>

I used this once long ago:

http://www.sourcegear.com/sos/

but I haven't used it in ~ 2yrs.

-- 
					thanks,
		
					Will


From john at jjdev.com  Mon Apr 14 13:57:43 2003
From: john at jjdev.com (johnd)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:57:43 -0700
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com> <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net>
Message-ID: <20030414205743.GB1074@stang.jjdev.com>

On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 01:53:26PM -0700, Will Lowe wrote:
> I used this once long ago:
> 
> http://www.sourcegear.com/sos/
> 
> but I haven't used it in ~ 2yrs.

I should have specified...

I'm lookin for a open source solution...




From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr 14 14:06:02 2003
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:06:02 -0700
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com> <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net>
Message-ID: <20030414210602.GE17850@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Will Lowe (harpo at thebackrow.net):

> I used this once long ago:
> 
> http://www.sourcegear.com/sos/
> but I haven't used it in ~ 2yrs.

SourceOffSite is covered briefly at:
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/scm.html

Because it has Linux kernel dependencies, it may not work at all under
environments like FreeBSD's linux_lib or Solaris's lxrun.  Also, I
vaguely recall that it's extremely kludgey.  But then, getting any data
out of the data roach motel that is Visual SourceSafe is something of a
miracle.

-- 
Cheers,               A host is a host, from coast to coast.
Rick Moen             And nobody talks to a host that's close,
rick at linuxmafia.com   Unless the host that isn't close is busy, hung, or dead.


From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr 14 14:07:36 2003
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:07:36 -0700
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <20030414205743.GB1074@stang.jjdev.com>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com> <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net> <20030414205743.GB1074@stang.jjdev.com>
Message-ID: <20030414210736.GF17850@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting johnd (john at jjdev.com):

> I should have specified...
> 
> I'm lookin for a open source solution...

As someone who's studied the issue, I can pretty much guarantee none
such exists.

-- 
Cheers,            There are only 10 types of people in this world -- 
Rick Moen          those who understand binary arithmetic and those who don't.
rick at linuxmafia.com


From brian at planetshwoop.com  Mon Apr 14 14:21:47 2003
From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:21:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <20030414210602.GE17850@linuxmafia.com>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com> 
     <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net> 
     <20030414210602.GE17850@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <59928.4.17.250.5.1050355307.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>

Rick Moen said:

> Quoting Will Lowe (harpo at thebackrow.net):
>
>> I used this once long ago:
>>
>> http://www.sourcegear.com/sos/
>> but I haven't used it in ~ 2yrs.
>
> SourceOffSite is covered briefly at:
> http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/scm.html
>
> Because it has Linux kernel dependencies, it may not work at all under
> environments like FreeBSD's linux_lib or Solaris's lxrun.  Also, I
> vaguely recall that it's extremely kludgey.  But then, getting any data
> out of the data roach motel that is Visual SourceSafe is something of a
> miracle.
>

For some reason people in my office have kept the old boxes of ancient
software.  I happened to find a copy of Source Safe v 2.2 from One Tree
Software (before Microsoft bought it).  One of the features is support for
Mac and Unix.

There were a few projects when I looked 2+ years ago to transform SS
databases into CVS.  They were barely started though and were hampered by
NDAs.

I'd guess that your best bet is to use cvs on your linux machine and
sneakernet it over to SS when you need to.

brian

--
Brian Sobolak
http://www.planetshwoop.com/


From harpo at thebackrow.net  Mon Apr 14 14:26:13 2003
From: harpo at thebackrow.net (Will Lowe)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:26:13 -0700
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <59928.4.17.250.5.1050355307.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com> <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net> <20030414210602.GE17850@linuxmafia.com> <59928.4.17.250.5.1050355307.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
Message-ID: <20030414212613.GA6022@thebackrow.net>

> I'd guess that your best bet is to use cvs on your linux machine and
> sneakernet it over to SS when you need to.

Our Windows guys at work are (of course) SS weenies also, and tried to
get me to use SS for linux development.  It was pretty pointless ...

We eventually agreed that it was simpler to just let me use CVS and
require me to export a tarball of the CVS tree into sourcesafe every
time I tag ...

-- 
					thanks,
		
					Will


From brian at planetshwoop.com  Mon Apr 14 14:33:20 2003
From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:33:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <20030414212613.GA6022@thebackrow.net>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com> 
     <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net> 
     <20030414210602.GE17850@linuxmafia.com> 
     <59928.4.17.250.5.1050355307.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> 
     <20030414212613.GA6022@thebackrow.net>
Message-ID: <53659.4.17.250.5.1050356000.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>

Will Lowe said:

>> I'd guess that your best bet is to use cvs on your linux machine and
>> sneakernet it over to SS when you need to.
>
> Our Windows guys at work are (of course) SS weenies also, and tried to
> get me to use SS for linux development.  It was pretty pointless ...
>
> We eventually agreed that it was simpler to just let me use CVS and
> require me to export a tarball of the CVS tree into sourcesafe every
> time I tag ...
>

CVS for Windows isn't bad, as in, it works and it doesn't cost money. CVS'
warts are still present.

We had no end of problems with SS.  If was frequently corrupted, we had to
pay all sorts of money for Source Off-Site, etc.  It's a stinky product.

I'm stuck with CM Telelogic right now, which is probably the worst
software I've ever used.  SCM can be summed up as:  the more expensive the
product, the more likely companies are to buy it, and the crappier it is.

brian

--
Brian Sobolak
http://www.planetshwoop.com/


From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Apr 14 14:35:53 2003
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:35:53 -0700
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <53659.4.17.250.5.1050356000.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com> <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net> <20030414210602.GE17850@linuxmafia.com> <59928.4.17.250.5.1050355307.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> <20030414212613.GA6022@thebackrow.net> <53659.4.17.250.5.1050356000.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
Message-ID: <20030414213553.GH17850@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Brian Sobolak (brian at planetshwoop.com):

> I'm stuck with CM Telelogic right now, which is probably the worst
> software I've ever used.

Is it still $25,000 for 10 users?  Just curious.

-- 
Cheers,            There are only 10 types of people in this world -- 
Rick Moen          those who understand binary arithmetic and those who don't.
rick at linuxmafia.com


From jammer at weak.org  Mon Apr 14 16:21:03 2003
From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:21:03 -0700
Subject: [buug] Anyone up for some quick work?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030414114512.02ac7d30@mail.mindspring.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030414114512.02ac7d30@mail.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20030414232103.GC17925@weak.org>

On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 11:57:02AM -0700, Skip Evans wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> The problem I described in a previous email persists. A PHP
> site I have simply will not process index.php, it just hangs
> and times out, but I can go into the site through other files
> and things function fine.
> 
> I've done a complete restore of the site from a backup, but to
> no avail.
> 
> Additionally odd is the fact that Apache is not logging anything
> into the log files, even when I go into the site through another
> route and tromp all over the place.

Check yer mime types. Also, look in your Apache configuration for the
DirectoryIndex directive. Is 'index.php' in the list? If not, add it.

-Jon


From itz at speakeasy.org  Mon Apr 14 18:21:23 2003
From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: 14 Apr 2003 18:21:23 -0700
Subject: [buug] Tk and fonts
Message-ID: <86znms7dyk.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net>

Hi buugers,

how (if at all) can I change the default font for Tk widgets, the way
one changes gtk fonts by editing the style|fontset entry in ~/.gtkrc?
I am trying to kill my monitor with high resolutions :) but the
default Tk font (which is, unfortunately, in terms of pixels, not
points) is way too small for them.

The more general problem is that Tk doesn't use the normal X resource
matching mechanism.  See the Tcl/Tk book, sections 25.[3-4]; what this
means is that I cannot simply say, for instance,

tkinfo*font: -some-large-fat-font-for-buttons
tkinfo*Text.font: -some-large-thin-font-for-text

in my ~/.Xresources file, because the first entry will trump the
second :-(

-- 
"This is the patent age of new inventions
For killing bodies, and for saving souls,
All propagated with the best intentions." 
George Gordon, lord Byron


From nick at zork.net  Mon Apr 14 18:28:46 2003
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:28:46 -0700
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <20030414212613.GA6022@thebackrow.net>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com> <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net> <20030414210602.GE17850@linuxmafia.com> <59928.4.17.250.5.1050355307.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> <20030414212613.GA6022@thebackrow.net>
Message-ID: <20030415012846.GG18790@zork.net>

begin  Will Lowe  quotation:
> We eventually agreed that it was simpler to just let me use CVS and
> require me to export a tarball of the CVS tree into sourcesafe every
> time I tag ...

	I've heard this story regarding most revision control systems.
They're all ultimately so bloated that most developers just keep a cvs
repository locally and then export things into the company's official
juggernaut system (clearcase, sourcesafe, whatever) when it's time.

-- 

end


From brian at planetshwoop.com  Mon Apr 14 19:46:51 2003
From: brian at planetshwoop.com (brian at planetshwoop.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:46:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <20030414213553.GH17850@linuxmafia.com>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com> <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net>
 <20030414210602.GE17850@linuxmafia.com> <59928.4.17.250.5.1050355307.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
 <20030414212613.GA6022@thebackrow.net> <53659.4.17.250.5.1050356000.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>
 <20030414213553.GH17850@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0304142143140.13449@monet.psys.org>


On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Rick Moen wrote:

> Quoting Brian Sobolak (brian at planetshwoop.com):
>
> > I'm stuck with CM Telelogic right now, which is probably the worst
> > software I've ever used.
>
> Is it still $25,000 for 10 users?  Just curious.
>

Probably.  I don't know the details,but I can tell you that it
frequently crashes, is horribly complicated, and requires a horrible
and complicated setup routine that requires copious amounts of magii
skills and hocus pocus.

The package is so enormous that we have two full-time people to provide
support and do builds.  Ludicros.  Why use ANT when you can pay someone
too much money instead?

brian






From jammer at weak.org  Mon Apr 14 21:27:10 2003
From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:27:10 -0700
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <20030415012846.GG18790@zork.net>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com> <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net> <20030414210602.GE17850@linuxmafia.com> <59928.4.17.250.5.1050355307.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> <20030414212613.GA6022@thebackrow.net> <20030415012846.GG18790@zork.net>
Message-ID: <20030415042710.GA28488@weak.org>

On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 06:28:46PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote:
> begin  Will Lowe  quotation:
> > We eventually agreed that it was simpler to just let me use CVS and
> > require me to export a tarball of the CVS tree into sourcesafe every
> > time I tag ...
> 
> 	I've heard this story regarding most revision control systems.
> They're all ultimately so bloated that most developers just keep a cvs
> repository locally and then export things into the company's official
> juggernaut system (clearcase, sourcesafe, whatever) when it's time.

Perforce is the one and only commercial revision control system I would
ever use. Clients for just about every platform you can think of, and an
awesome paradigm.

Learn it. Use it. Love it.

-Jon


From nick at zork.net  Mon Apr 14 21:29:34 2003
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:29:34 -0700
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0304142143140.13449@monet.psys.org>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com> <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net> <20030414210602.GE17850@linuxmafia.com> <59928.4.17.250.5.1050355307.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> <20030414212613.GA6022@thebackrow.net> <53659.4.17.250.5.1050356000.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> <20030414213553.GH17850@linuxmafia.com> <Pine.LNX.4.53.0304142143140.13449@monet.psys.org>
Message-ID: <20030415042934.GH18790@zork.net>

begin  brian at planetshwoop.com  quotation:
> The package is so enormous that we have two full-time people to
> provide support and do builds.  Ludicros.  Why use ANT when you can
> pay someone too much money instead?

	ha ha ANT

-- 

end


From nick at zork.net  Mon Apr 14 21:32:48 2003
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:32:48 -0700
Subject: [buug] sourcesafe client
In-Reply-To: <20030415042710.GA28488@weak.org>
References: <20030414204848.GA1074@stang.jjdev.com> <20030414205326.GC6628@thebackrow.net> <20030414210602.GE17850@linuxmafia.com> <59928.4.17.250.5.1050355307.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> <20030414212613.GA6022@thebackrow.net> <20030415012846.GG18790@zork.net> <20030415042710.GA28488@weak.org>
Message-ID: <20030415043248.GI18790@zork.net>

begin  Jon McClintock  quotation:
> Perforce is the one and only commercial revision control system I
> would ever use. Clients for just about every platform you can think
> of, and an awesome paradigm.

	Sadly, not only is it commercial, but it is also proprietary.

-- 

end


From abhay_srivastava at infosys.com  Tue Apr 15 01:18:01 2003
From: abhay_srivastava at infosys.com (Abhay Kumar Srivastava)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:48:01 +0530
Subject: [buug] substitute for bdevsw_add in FreeBSD 4.7
Message-ID: <882B7E812BE14E4BA7E86387242C8DB902590637@kecmsg11.ad.infosys.com>

 
Hi,
This function was there in FreeBSD 3.2  but kern/conf.c  is changed in
4.7. 
Is there any substitute for it else how do we add Block Device.
 
 
 
Abhay Kr. Srivastava
Software Engineer,
Embeded System and Driver Lab, CAPS,
Infosys Technologies Ltd.
91-80-852 0261 ext. 2889
91-80-5010 889
 
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From nkj at iaminsane.com  Tue Apr 15 16:16:23 2003
From: nkj at iaminsane.com (Nick Jennings)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:16:23 -0700
Subject: [buug] linux filesystem limitations
Message-ID: <20030415231623.GA20756@iaminsane.com>

hello, I was wondering if anyone here knew the maximum number of
file/directory entries that can exist inside of one directory?

I think it's 32k, is this correct? Has there been any increases in this
limitation as of yet?

Thanks,

- Nick



From jammer at weak.org  Tue Apr 15 17:33:33 2003
From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:33:33 -0700
Subject: [buug] linux filesystem limitations
In-Reply-To: <20030415231623.GA20756@iaminsane.com>
References: <20030415231623.GA20756@iaminsane.com>
Message-ID: <20030416003333.GB5133@weak.org>

On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 04:16:23PM -0700, Nick Jennings wrote:
> hello, I was wondering if anyone here knew the maximum number of
> file/directory entries that can exist inside of one directory?
> 
> I think it's 32k, is this correct? Has there been any increases in this
> limitation as of yet?

 From Documentation/filesystems/ext2.txt:

There is an upper limit of 32768 subdirectories in a single directory.

There is a "soft" upper limit of about 10-15k files in a single directory
with the current linear linked-list directory implementation.  This limit
stems from performance problems when creating and deleting (and also
finding) files in such large directories.  Using a hashed directory index
(under development) allows 100k-1M+ files in a single directory without
performance problems (although RAM size becomes an issue at this point).

The (meaningless) absolute upper limit of files in a single directory
(imposed by the file size, the realistic limit is obviously much less)
is over 130 trillion files.  It would be higher except there are not
enough 4-character names to make up unique directory entries, so they
have to be 8 character filenames, even then we are fairly close to
running out of unique filenames.

...and now you know... :)

-Jon


From sneakums at zork.net  Wed Apr 16 01:37:59 2003
From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:37:59 +0100
Subject: [buug] linux filesystem limitations
In-Reply-To: <20030416003333.GB5133@weak.org> (Jon McClintock's message of
 "Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:33:33 -0700")
References: <20030415231623.GA20756@iaminsane.com>
	<20030416003333.GB5133@weak.org>
Message-ID: <6uptnm25y0.fsf@zork.zork.net>

Jon McClintock <jammer at weak.org> writes:

> There is a "soft" upper limit of about 10-15k files in a single directory
> with the current linear linked-list directory implementation.  This limit
> stems from performance problems when creating and deleting (and also
> finding) files in such large directories.  Using a hashed directory index
> (under development) allows 100k-1M+ files in a single directory without
> performance problems (although RAM size becomes an issue at this point).

Also, both resierfs and XFS already use directory layouts that cope
well with large numbers of files.  The work referenced above is work
specific to ext2/ext3.

-- 
Sean Neakums - <sneakums at zork.net>


From sneakums at zork.net  Wed Apr 16 01:39:48 2003
From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:39:48 +0100
Subject: [buug] linux filesystem limitations
In-Reply-To: <6uptnm25y0.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Wed,
 16 Apr 2003 09:37:59 +0100")
References: <20030415231623.GA20756@iaminsane.com>
	<20030416003333.GB5133@weak.org> <6uptnm25y0.fsf@zork.zork.net>
Message-ID: <6un0iq25uz.fsf@zork.zork.net>

Sean Neakums <sneakums at zork.net> writes:

> Also, both resierfs and XFS already use directory layouts that cope
> well with large numbers of files.  The work referenced above is work
> specific to ext2/ext3.

s/files/directory entries/

-- 
Sean Neakums - <sneakums at zork.net>


From nkj at iaminsane.com  Wed Apr 16 12:27:46 2003
From: nkj at iaminsane.com (Nick Jennings)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:27:46 -0700
Subject: [buug] linux filesystem limitations
In-Reply-To: <6uptnm25y0.fsf@zork.zork.net>
References: <20030415231623.GA20756@iaminsane.com> <20030416003333.GB5133@weak.org> <6uptnm25y0.fsf@zork.zork.net>
Message-ID: <20030416192746.GC31797@iaminsane.com>

On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 09:37:59AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote:
> 
> Also, both resierfs and XFS already use directory layouts that cope
> well with large numbers of files.  The work referenced above is work
> specific to ext2/ext3.

 So with XFS in particular, the limitation of 32k still applies, it's
 just that the handling of that number is better optomized than with
 ext2/3 correct?

- Nick



From sneakums at zork.net  Thu Apr 17 00:43:09 2003
From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:43:09 +0100
Subject: [buug] linux filesystem limitations
In-Reply-To: <20030416192746.GC31797@iaminsane.com> (Nick Jennings's message
 of "Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:27:46 -0700")
References: <20030415231623.GA20756@iaminsane.com>
	<20030416003333.GB5133@weak.org> <6uptnm25y0.fsf@zork.zork.net>
	<20030416192746.GC31797@iaminsane.com>
Message-ID: <6uk7dt1sdu.fsf@zork.zork.net>

Nick Jennings <nkj at iaminsane.com> writes:

> On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 09:37:59AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote:
>> 
>> Also, both resierfs and XFS already use directory layouts that cope
>> well with large numbers of files.  The work referenced above is work
>> specific to ext2/ext3.
>
>  So with XFS in particular, the limitation of 32k still applies, it's
>  just that the handling of that number is better optomized than with
>  ext2/3 correct?

Given that the citation of a 32k limits came from
Documentation/ext2.txt, I would say that that is also a limit specific
to ext2/ext3.  I am fairly sure that XFS supports larger directories
than that, but I can't find anything to cite right now.

-- 
Sean Neakums - <sneakums at zork.net>


From jammer at weak.org  Thu Apr 17 17:27:11 2003
From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:27:11 -0700
Subject: [buug] Preview The Matrix Reloaded, courtesy of NetworkAppliance
Message-ID: <20030418002711.GA18079@weak.org>

Check it out...

  http://netapp.treehousei.com/mtimages/matrix_html/berkeley_invite.html

-Jon


From jan at caustic.org  Thu Apr 17 17:37:41 2003
From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:37:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [buug] Preview The Matrix Reloaded, courtesy of NetworkAppliance
In-Reply-To: <20030418002711.GA18079@weak.org>
Message-ID: <20030417173717.B62201-100000@pogo.caustic.org>

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Jon McClintock wrote:

> Check it out...

amazing. netapp is doing something useful.

good thing i've been getting up at 6am anyway as of late..

-------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+
  http://caustic.org/~jan                      jan at caustic.org
	"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for
	  my sham friends." -- Tom Waits



From atporter at primate.net  Fri Apr 18 12:54:34 2003
From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:54:34 -0700
Subject: [buug] Evil Packet Sniffer
Message-ID: <20030418195434.GM12607@primate.net>

	Here's a link to the sniffer I mentioned at last night's meeting.
A very nasty program that's making its way into a number of the script
kiddie rootkits floating about.

http://ettercap.sf.net/	


From nick at zork.net  Fri Apr 18 13:17:59 2003
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:17:59 -0700
Subject: [buug] Evil Packet Sniffer
In-Reply-To: <20030418195434.GM12607@primate.net>
References: <20030418195434.GM12607@primate.net>
Message-ID: <20030418201759.GS26752@zork.net>

begin  Aaron T Porter  quotation:
> 	Here's a link to the sniffer I mentioned at last night's meeting.
> A very nasty program that's making its way into a number of the script
> kiddie rootkits floating about.
> 
> http://ettercap.sf.net/	

	It's also been on the LNX-BBC for quite some time:

http://build.lnx-bbc.org/packages/net/ettercap.html

-- 

end


From jan at caustic.org  Fri Apr 18 13:25:11 2003
From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:25:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [buug] Evil Packet Sniffer
In-Reply-To: <20030418195434.GM12607@primate.net>
Message-ID: <20030418130431.N62201-100000@pogo.caustic.org>

On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Aaron T Porter wrote:

> 	Here's a link to the sniffer I mentioned at last night's meeting.
> A very nasty program that's making its way into a number of the script
> kiddie rootkits floating about.

doesn't seem all that much different from any other sniffer. Man in the
Middle attacks are routine, and prone to detection once you involve
cryptography.

what i find amusing are the various attacks against specific protocols.

i'll run a test on my home LAN in the next couple of weeks. i'm curious
about the ssh key interception, aswell as the arp cache spoiling.

-------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+
  http://caustic.org/~jan                      jan at caustic.org
	"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for
	  my sham friends." -- Tom Waits




From wfhoney at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 18 14:34:01 2003
From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Bill Honeycutt)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:34:01 -0700
Subject: [buug] Evil Packet Sniffer
In-Reply-To: <20030418195434.GM12607@primate.net>
References: <20030418195434.GM12607@primate.net>
Message-ID: <3EA06F49.6050107@pacbell.net>

Here's a question for the list.

For an existing ssh connection, can you determine which protocol version 
(1 or 2) was used to establish the connection?


Aaron T Porter wrote:
> 	Here's a link to the sniffer I mentioned at last night's meeting.
> A very nasty program that's making its way into a number of the script
> kiddie rootkits floating about.
> 
> http://ettercap.sf.net/	
> _______________________________________________
> Buug mailing list
> Buug at weak.org
> http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug
> 




From jan at caustic.org  Fri Apr 18 14:38:48 2003
From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:38:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [buug] Evil Packet Sniffer
In-Reply-To: <3EA06F49.6050107@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <20030418143554.S62201-100000@pogo.caustic.org>

On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Bill Honeycutt wrote:

> For an existing ssh connection, can you determine which protocol version
> (1 or 2) was used to establish the connection?

no.

for the ettercap trick to work, you have to pass keys unsafely. it's
taking advantage of a flaw in the sshv1 protocol.. not in the encryption
between the two hosts.

-------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+
  http://caustic.org/~jan                      jan at caustic.org
	"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for
	  my sham friends." -- Tom Waits



From john at jjdev.com  Sat Apr 19 09:51:02 2003
From: john at jjdev.com (John de la Garza)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:51:02 -0700
Subject: [buug] test
Message-ID: <1AA4EB09-7287-11D7-A701-000393CB11D4@jjdev.com>

test



From sneakums at zork.net  Sat Apr 19 09:54:04 2003
From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 17:54:04 +0100
Subject: [buug] test
In-Reply-To: <1AA4EB09-7287-11D7-A701-000393CB11D4@jjdev.com> (John de la
 Garza's message of "Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:51:02 -0700")
References: <1AA4EB09-7287-11D7-A701-000393CB11D4@jjdev.com>
Message-ID: <6u7k9qmnrn.fsf@zork.zork.net>

John de la Garza <john at jjdev.com> writes:

> test

You flunk.

-- 
Sean Neakums - <sneakums at zork.net>


From cmsclaud at uga.edu  Tue Apr 22 13:38:25 2003
From: cmsclaud at uga.edu (cmsclaud at uga.edu)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:38:25 -0500
Subject: [buug] E.F. Codd passed away
Message-ID: <1051040305.smmsdV1.1.2@mail.arches.uga.edu>

Just read that E.F. Codd, inventor of the relational database model, 
passed away last Friday.

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/5676110.htm

Claude

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From nick at zork.net  Tue Apr 22 16:10:20 2003
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:10:20 -0700
Subject: [buug] E.F. Codd passed away
In-Reply-To: <1051040305.smmsdV1.1.2@mail.arches.uga.edu>
References: <1051040305.smmsdV1.1.2@mail.arches.uga.edu>
Message-ID: <20030422231019.GR23479@zork.net>

begin  cmsclaud at uga.edu  quotation:
> Just read that E.F. Codd, inventor of the relational database model, 
> passed away last Friday.

	Great!  Now maybe we can move on to something not mired in
1970s IBMisms.


-- 

end


From itz at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 22 16:32:14 2003
From: itz at speakeasy.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: 22 Apr 2003 16:32:14 -0700
Subject: [buug] E.F. Codd passed away
In-Reply-To: <20030422231019.GR23479@zork.net>
References: <1051040305.smmsdV1.1.2@mail.arches.uga.edu>
	<20030422231019.GR23479@zork.net>
Message-ID: <86d6jecdmp.fsf@kronstadt.homeunix.net>

Claude> Just read that E.F. Codd, inventor of the relational database
Claude> model, passed away last Friday.

Nick> Great!  Now maybe we can move on to something not mired in 1970s
Nick> IBMisms.

The relational model is great, it's SQL that stinks.

-- 
"This is the patent age of new inventions
For killing bodies, and for saving souls,
All propagated with the best intentions." 
George Gordon, lord Byron


From cmsclaud at uga.edu  Thu Apr 24 12:43:12 2003
From: cmsclaud at uga.edu (cmsclaud at uga.edu)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:43:12 -0500
Subject: [buug] penguinwarehouse.com
Message-ID: <1051209792.smmsdV1.1.2@mail.arches.uga.edu>

This beats a stuffed Tux doll any day...

http://www.penguinwarehouse.com/

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From cmsclaud at uga.edu  Thu Apr 24 13:48:20 2003
From: cmsclaud at uga.edu (cmsclaud at uga.edu)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:48:20 -0500
Subject: [buug] Re: E.F. Codd passed away
Message-ID: <1051213700.smmsdV1.1.2@mail.arches.uga.edu>

Nick> Great!  Now maybe we can move on to something not mired in 1970 
IBMisms.

Ian> The relational model is great, it's SQL that stinks.

It's a mixture of things.  On the one hand, SQL is woefully limited 
(and, in a number of respects, simply broken).  But you've also got the 
problem that none of the major database vendors (starting with IBM) have 
fully implemented the relational model.  While you certainly can't fault 
the model (it's just logic, after all), you can blame the implementation.

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From cmsclaud at uga.edu  Thu Apr 24 21:16:28 2003
From: cmsclaud at uga.edu (Claude Rubinson)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:16:28 -0700
Subject: [buug] "Keeping your inbox clean is not my problem"
Message-ID: <20030425041628.GA10868@wagner>

I'm trying to locate a specific discussion list (or, possibly, usenet)
posting.  My Google searches have, so far, been unsuccessful.  I'm
wondering if someone here might know where it is.

As far as I can recall, it was a response to the popular suggestion of
using whitelists to control spam.  The response was something along
the lines of "First, discussions of spam control are boring; don't
expect to find any sympathizers here."  And then the author went on to
explain why discussions of spam control are boring.  It concluded with
a great line along the lines of "Keeping your inbox clean is not my
problem."  I'm thinking that the author may have been Karsten Self,
but I may be wrong.

Does anyone have a clue as to what I'm talking about?

Thanks,

Claude


From john at jjdev.com  Wed Apr 30 13:40:52 2003
From: john at jjdev.com (johnd)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:40:52 -0700
Subject: [buug] regex question
Message-ID: <20030430204050.GB3110@stang.jjdev.com>

Can someone give me a regex to find some text?


I have a file with lines like this

aaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=123213&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb


I need a regex to substitue on that gives me

the part after the = and before the &

in this case 123213

it is not for sure the the string will be numeric or alpha

I just know it is the text between UserID= and &



From atporter at primate.net  Wed Apr 30 13:52:52 2003
From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:52:52 -0700
Subject: [buug] regex question
In-Reply-To: <20030430204050.GB3110@stang.jjdev.com>
References: <20030430204050.GB3110@stang.jjdev.com>
Message-ID: <20030430205252.GW12607@primate.net>

On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 01:40:52PM -0700, johnd wrote:
> I need a regex to substitue on that gives me
> the part after the = and before the &

	Something like:

	($id) = $_ =~ m"UserID=(.*)&";


From nick at zork.net  Wed Apr 30 13:55:12 2003
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:55:12 -0700
Subject: [buug] regex question
In-Reply-To: <20030430204050.GB3110@stang.jjdev.com>
References: <20030430204050.GB3110@stang.jjdev.com>
Message-ID: <20030430205512.GE773@zork.net>

begin  johnd  quotation:
> Can someone give me a regex to find some text?
> 
> 
> I have a file with lines like this
> 
> aaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=123213&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
> 
> 
> I need a regex to substitue on that gives me
> 
> the part after the = and before the &
> 
> in this case 123213
> 
> it is not for sure the the string will be numeric or alpha
> 
> I just know it is the text between UserID= and &

	If you're using a system that allows you to save references,
such as sed, Perl, or awk, you can wrap your answer in parens
(appropriately backwhacked for your implementation).

For example:

$ echo 'aaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=123213&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb' | sed 's/^.*UserID=\([^&]\+\)\&.*$/\1/'
123213

Note that your backwhacks may vary, and Perl uses $1 instead of \1.

Apologies for the long line.

-- 

end


From nick at zork.net  Wed Apr 30 13:56:24 2003
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:56:24 -0700
Subject: [buug] regex question
In-Reply-To: <20030430205252.GW12607@primate.net>
References: <20030430204050.GB3110@stang.jjdev.com> <20030430205252.GW12607@primate.net>
Message-ID: <20030430205624.GF773@zork.net>

begin  Aaron T Porter  quotation:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 01:40:52PM -0700, johnd wrote:
> > I need a regex to substitue on that gives me
> > the part after the = and before the &
> 
> 	Something like:
> 
> 	($id) = $_ =~ m"UserID=(.*)&";

	That's nice, but it does a lot of backtracking from the end to
figure out which & is the terminating symbol.  It's much more
efficient to use some variant of "[^&]+" instead of ".*".  The match
then stops at the first & it sees instead of hoping for a later one in
the string.

-- 

end


From john at jjdev.com  Wed Apr 30 13:58:26 2003
From: john at jjdev.com (johnd)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:58:26 -0700
Subject: [buug] regex question
In-Reply-To: <20030430205252.GW12607@primate.net>
References: <20030430204050.GB3110@stang.jjdev.com> <20030430205252.GW12607@primate.net>
Message-ID: <20030430205826.GA3197@stang.jjdev.com>

On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 01:52:52PM -0700, Aaron T Porter wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 01:40:52PM -0700, johnd wrote:
> > I need a regex to substitue on that gives me
> > the part after the = and before the &
> 
> 	Something like:
> 
> 	($id) = $_ =~ m"UserID=(.*)&";


I don't follow.

How would you use this?

For example in vim, if I want to substitute all UserIDs to xyz

something I can put in a substitue command


%s/the_regex/xyz/g






From john at jjdev.com  Wed Apr 30 14:07:50 2003
From: john at jjdev.com (johnd)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:07:50 -0700
Subject: [buug] more specific
Message-ID: <20030430210750.GA3243@stang.jjdev.com>

let me ask a more specific question

if I have a file with lines that have UserID=somestuff&

surrounded by other text

how can I substitue the UserID=somestuff for say UserID=foo

the file is like this

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=oldid&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

and I want to make it

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=newid&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

the substring is UserID=text  and ends at the &


From atporter at primate.net  Wed Apr 30 14:15:53 2003
From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:15:53 -0700
Subject: [buug] more specific
In-Reply-To: <20030430210750.GA3243@stang.jjdev.com>
References: <20030430210750.GA3243@stang.jjdev.com>
Message-ID: <20030430211553.GY12607@primate.net>

On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 02:07:50PM -0700, johnd wrote:
> let me ask a more specific question
> if I have a file with lines that have UserID=somestuff&
> surrounded by other text
> how can I substitue the UserID=somestuff for say UserID=foo
> the file is like this
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=oldid&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
> and I want to make it
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=newid&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
> the substring is UserID=text  and ends at the &

	Where are you getting newid from?


From alex at myzona.net  Wed Apr 30 14:20:27 2003
From: alex at myzona.net (Aleksandr Melentiev)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:20:27 -0700
Subject: [buug] more specific
References: <20030430210750.GA3243@stang.jjdev.com>
Message-ID: <001601c30f5e$54b84210$0300a8c0@Romulus>

Specific answer to your specific question:

kronos# cat testfile
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=oldid&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

kronos# cat testfile | sed -e "s:UserID=oldid:UserID=newid:g" > newfile

kronos# cat newfile
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=newid&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "johnd" <john at jjdev.com>
To: <buug at weak.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:07 PM
Subject: [buug] more specific


> let me ask a more specific question
> 
> if I have a file with lines that have UserID=somestuff&
> 
> surrounded by other text
> 
> how can I substitue the UserID=somestuff for say UserID=foo
> 
> the file is like this
> 
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=oldid&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
> 
> and I want to make it
> 
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=newid&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
> 
> the substring is UserID=text  and ends at the &
> _______________________________________________
> Buug mailing list
> Buug at weak.org
> http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug
> 


From john at jjdev.com  Wed Apr 30 14:19:59 2003
From: john at jjdev.com (johnd)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:19:59 -0700
Subject: [buug] more specific
In-Reply-To: <001601c30f5e$54b84210$0300a8c0@Romulus>
References: <20030430210750.GA3243@stang.jjdev.com> <001601c30f5e$54b84210$0300a8c0@Romulus>
Message-ID: <20030430211959.GA3303@stang.jjdev.com>

On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 02:20:27PM -0700, Aleksandr Melentiev wrote:
> Specific answer to your specific question:
> 
> kronos# cat testfile
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=oldid&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
> 
> kronos# cat testfile | sed -e "s:UserID=oldid:UserID=newid:g" > newfile
> 
> kronos# cat newfile
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=newid&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
> 

yea, the thinkg is oldid is always different, that is why I am asking
for a regex to find everthing that is UserID to the &




From john at jjdev.com  Wed Apr 30 14:20:17 2003
From: john at jjdev.com (johnd)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:20:17 -0700
Subject: [buug] more specific
In-Reply-To: <20030430211553.GY12607@primate.net>
References: <20030430210750.GA3243@stang.jjdev.com> <20030430211553.GY12607@primate.net>
Message-ID: <20030430212017.GB3303@stang.jjdev.com>

On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 02:15:53PM -0700, Aaron T Porter wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 02:07:50PM -0700, johnd wrote:
> > let me ask a more specific question
> > if I have a file with lines that have UserID=somestuff&
> > surrounded by other text
> > how can I substitue the UserID=somestuff for say UserID=foo
> > the file is like this
> > aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=oldid&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
> > and I want to make it
> > aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaUserID=newid&bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
> > the substring is UserID=text  and ends at the &
> 
> 	Where are you getting newid from?

It will always be the same, I'lll provide it




From atporter at primate.net  Wed Apr 30 14:29:18 2003
From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:29:18 -0700
Subject: [buug] more specific
In-Reply-To: <20030430211959.GA3303@stang.jjdev.com>
References: <20030430210750.GA3243@stang.jjdev.com> <001601c30f5e$54b84210$0300a8c0@Romulus> <20030430211959.GA3303@stang.jjdev.com>
Message-ID: <20030430212918.GZ12607@primate.net>

On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 02:19:59PM -0700, johnd wrote:
> > kronos# cat testfile | sed -e "s:UserID=oldid:UserID=newid:g" > newfile
> 
> yea, the thinkg is oldid is always different, that is why I am asking
> for a regex to find everthing that is UserID to the &

	Since you mentioned VI, this works in vim:

	:%s/UserID=.\{-}&/UserID=foo\&/


From john at jjdev.com  Wed Apr 30 14:32:31 2003
From: john at jjdev.com (johnd)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:32:31 -0700
Subject: [buug] more specific
In-Reply-To: <20030430212918.GZ12607@primate.net>
References: <20030430210750.GA3243@stang.jjdev.com> <001601c30f5e$54b84210$0300a8c0@Romulus> <20030430211959.GA3303@stang.jjdev.com> <20030430212918.GZ12607@primate.net>
Message-ID: <20030430213231.GB3348@stang.jjdev.com>

On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 02:29:18PM -0700, Aaron T Porter wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 02:19:59PM -0700, johnd wrote:
> > > kronos# cat testfile | sed -e "s:UserID=oldid:UserID=newid:g" > newfile
> > 
> > yea, the thinkg is oldid is always different, that is why I am asking
> > for a regex to find everthing that is UserID to the &
> 
> 	Since you mentioned VI, this works in vim:
> 
> 	:%s/UserID=.\{-}&/UserID=foo\&/
> _______________________________________________


thanks, that does it


From atporter at primate.net  Wed Apr 30 14:37:51 2003
From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:37:51 -0700
Subject: [buug] regex question
In-Reply-To: <20030430205624.GF773@zork.net>
References: <20030430204050.GB3110@stang.jjdev.com> <20030430205252.GW12607@primate.net> <20030430205624.GF773@zork.net>
Message-ID: <20030430213750.GA12607@primate.net>

On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 01:56:24PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote:

> > 	($id) = $_ =~ m"UserID=(.*)&";
> 
> 	That's nice, but it does a lot of backtracking from the end to
> figure out which & is the terminating symbol.  It's much more
> efficient to use some variant of "[^&]+" instead of ".*".  The match
> then stops at the first & it sees instead of hoping for a later one in
> the string.

	My perl code is rarely (if ever) described as efficient :)


From jeremy at nirvani.net  Wed Apr 30 15:02:58 2003
From: jeremy at nirvani.net (Jeremy Brand, B.S.)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:02:58 -0700
Subject: [buug] Re: regex question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.55.0304301501400.5256@wilcox.nirvani.net>

Thus spake Nick Moffitt:

> > 	($id) = $_ =~ m"UserID=(.*)&";
>
> 	That's nice, but it does a lot of backtracking from
> the end to figure out which & is the terminating symbol.
> It's much more efficient to use some variant of "[^&]+"
> instead of ".*".  The match then stops at the first & it
> sees instead of hoping for a later one in the string.

Lol.  I agree with you, but after thinking about this,
what's a regex in efficiency compared to starting up PERL.
I would have to speculate (because I'm too lazy right now
to time() it) that it is relatively negligible.

(apologies, no referring Message-Ids - already deleted the
email and had to refer to the archives)

:)

Cheers,
Jeremy

--
"Prediction is very difficult, especially of the future."
                                   Niels Bohr
http://www.nirvani.net


From nick at zork.net  Wed Apr 30 15:56:24 2003
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:56:24 -0700
Subject: [buug] regex question
In-Reply-To: <20030430213750.GA12607@primate.net>
References: <20030430204050.GB3110@stang.jjdev.com> <20030430205252.GW12607@primate.net> <20030430205624.GF773@zork.net> <20030430213750.GA12607@primate.net>
Message-ID: <20030430225624.GH773@zork.net>

begin  Aaron T Porter  quotation:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 01:56:24PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote:
> 
> > > 	($id) = $_ =~ m"UserID=(.*)&";
> > 
> > 	That's nice, but it does a lot of backtracking from the end to
> > figure out which & is the terminating symbol.  It's much more
> > efficient to use some variant of "[^&]+" instead of ".*".  The match
> > then stops at the first & it sees instead of hoping for a later one in
> > the string.
> 
> 	My perl code is rarely (if ever) described as efficient :)

	Well, consider also what your code would do in the event of:

aaaaaaaaaaUserID=374743&bbbbbbbbbb&bbbbbbb

You'd get "374743&bbbbbbbbbb" on account of the greediness of *

-- 

end


From nick at zork.net  Wed Apr 30 16:06:12 2003
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:06:12 -0700
Subject: [buug] Re: regex question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.55.0304301501400.5256@wilcox.nirvani.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.55.0304301501400.5256@wilcox.nirvani.net>
Message-ID: <20030430230612.GJ773@zork.net>

begin  Jeremy Brand, B.S.  quotation:
> Lol.  I agree with you, but after thinking about this,
> what's a regex in efficiency compared to starting up PERL.
> I would have to speculate (because I'm too lazy right now
> to time() it) that it is relatively negligible.

	Depends on your data set.  Starting up Perl may be a long
time, but it's constant.  greedy grabs are going to be O(N*M) where M
is the length of your string.  Knocking down M speeds things up for
large N.

-- 

end


From flarg at flarg.org  Wed Apr 30 17:00:16 2003
From: flarg at flarg.org (Stefan Lasiewski)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:00:16 -0700
Subject: [buug] Jermey Allison from Samba at Lawrence Berkeley Lab on Monday
Message-ID: <00cb01c30f74$a617b3a0$6401a8c0@attbi.com>

For those that are interested, Jeremy Allison from the Samba project is
speaking at the Lawrence Berkeley Lab LUG this next Monday, May 6 at Noon.
Samba 3 is in the alpha stages, and they are working alot on getting some
Active Directory and Kerberos features, to work better with Win2k systems.

See http://lug.lbl.gov for more information.

I don't work there, but I try to go to the meetings. My advice on LBL
security: Bring a picture ID and a printout of the RSVP list showing your
name. Show this stuff to the guards or at the bus driver.

-= Stefan





From atporter at primate.net  Wed Apr 30 19:07:10 2003
From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:07:10 -0700
Subject: [buug] Jermey Allison from Samba at Lawrence Berkeley Lab on Monday
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c30f74$a617b3a0$6401a8c0@attbi.com>
References: <00cb01c30f74$a617b3a0$6401a8c0@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <20030501020710.GM12607@primate.net>

On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 05:00:16PM -0700, Stefan Lasiewski wrote:
> For those that are interested, Jeremy Allison from the Samba project is
> speaking at the Lawrence Berkeley Lab LUG this next Monday, May 6 at Noon.
> Samba 3 is in the alpha stages, and they are working alot on getting some
> Active Directory and Kerberos features, to work better with Win2k systems.

	Jeremy's a fantasticly ammusing speaker. Last time I saw him at
SVLUG he spent about 15 minutes on SAMBA and about 45 minutes on Microsoft
horror stories and anecdotes. Lots of fun.


From nick at zork.net  Wed Apr 30 19:10:39 2003
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:10:39 -0700
Subject: [buug] Jermey Allison from Samba at Lawrence Berkeley Lab on Monday
In-Reply-To: <20030501020710.GM12607@primate.net>
References: <00cb01c30f74$a617b3a0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> <20030501020710.GM12607@primate.net>
Message-ID: <20030501021039.GS773@zork.net>

begin  Aaron T Porter  quotation:
> 	Jeremy's a fantasticly ammusing speaker. Last time I saw him at
> SVLUG he spent about 15 minutes on SAMBA and about 45 minutes on
> Microsoft horror stories and anecdotes. Lots of fun.

	Agreed!  Even if you don't care much for SMB networking, come
for his anecdotes on project management, revision control systems,
buggy distributions, and beligerent software companies.  He's
definitely a speaker in the vein of Kirk McKusick!

-- 

end


From dave at mikamyla.com  Wed Apr 30 19:27:50 2003
From: dave at mikamyla.com (Dave Barry)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:27:50 -0700
Subject: [buug] Jermey Allison from Samba at Lawrence Berkeley Lab on Monday
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c30f74$a617b3a0$6401a8c0@attbi.com>
References: <00cb01c30f74$a617b3a0$6401a8c0@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <20030501022749.GA27387@mikamyla.com>

Quothe Stefan Lasiewski <flarg at flarg.org>, on Wed, Apr 30, 2003:
> For those that are interested, Jeremy Allison from the Samba project is
> speaking at the Lawrence Berkeley Lab LUG this next Monday, May 6 at Noon.

May 6 is Tuesday, just to be clear.

-- 
Bush War One
Bush War Two
They got a war for me, they got a war for you.
                        --Michael Franti



From nick at zork.net  Wed Apr 30 21:22:36 2003
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:22:36 -0700
Subject: [buug] Jermey Allison from Samba at Lawrence Berkeley Lab on Monday
In-Reply-To: <20030501022749.GA27387@mikamyla.com>
References: <00cb01c30f74$a617b3a0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> <20030501022749.GA27387@mikamyla.com>
Message-ID: <20030501042236.GV773@zork.net>

begin  Dave Barry  quotation:
> May 6 is Tuesday, just to be clear.

	STOP TRYING TO CONFUSE US WITH FACTS!

-- 

end


From wfhoney at pacbell.net  Wed Apr 30 22:31:21 2003
From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Wm. F. Honeycutt)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:31:21 -0700
Subject: [buug] Jermey Allison from Samba at Lawrence Berkeley Lab on Monday
References: <00cb01c30f74$a617b3a0$6401a8c0@attbi.com>
 <20030501020710.GM12607@primate.net>
Message-ID: <3EB0B129.7070005@pacbell.net>

Aaron T Porter wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 05:00:16PM -0700, Stefan Lasiewski wrote:
> 
>>For those that are interested, Jeremy Allison from the Samba project is
>>speaking at the Lawrence Berkeley Lab LUG this next Monday, May 6 at Noon.
>>Samba 3 is in the alpha stages, and they are working alot on getting some
>>Active Directory and Kerberos features, to work better with Win2k systems.
> 
> 
> 	Jeremy's a fantasticly ammusing speaker. Last time I saw him at
> SVLUG he spent about 15 minutes on SAMBA and about 45 minutes on Microsoft
> horror stories and anecdotes. Lots of fun.

Can someone hit <Record>?

I'd like to go, but can't get there.