From evans at ncseweb.org Tue Jun 3 14:20:58 2003 From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:20:58 -0700 Subject: [buug] KVM switch recommendation? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030603142019.03f9a2e0@mail.mindspring.com> Hey all, We're adding another server here at it's time to get a KVM switch I'm thinking. Any recommendations? Things to stay away from, etc? Thanks! Skip Evans Network Project Director National Center for Science Education 420 40th St, Suite 2 Oakland, CA 94609 510-601-7203 Ext. 308 510-601-7204 (fax) 800-290-6006 evans at ncseweb.org http://www.ncseweb.org NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. To sign up send: subscribe ncse your at email.address.here to: majordomo at ncseweb2.org To unsubscribe send: unsubscribe ncse your at email.address.here to: majordomo at ncseweb2.org From jan at caustic.org Tue Jun 3 14:51:43 2003 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] KVM switch recommendation? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030603142019.03f9a2e0@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030603142019.03f9a2e0@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20030603143906.X17321@pogo.caustic.org> On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Skip Evans wrote: > Any recommendations? Things to stay away from, etc? i'm rather partial to my 4 port belkin omnicube. http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=56&pcount=&Product_Id=82392 http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=1535&pcount=&Product_Id=12945 oddly, they no longer seem to list my version, the F1D094. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jun 4 02:13:03 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:13:03 -0700 Subject: [buug] Modern SCO Executive Message-ID: <20030604091303.GA29461@linuxmafia.com> Archived copy will be at http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PiratesOfPenguinance Modern SCO Executive (Apologies to Gilbert, Sullivan, and most of humanity) (Send brickbats to: Rick Moen and Karsten Self) [The scene: Major-General Darl McBride has stepped up to the fo'castle of HMS SCaldera, which has just fought its first skirmish against the dread Pirates of Penguinance. He prepares to hold a press conference^W^W^W^W address the troops:] McBride: I am the very model of a modern SCO executive. Our market share is minuscule; our losses are consecutive. But from our labs deep in U-T, you very soon will surely see The ultimate, the pinnacle, in high-technolo-barratry. "Live free or die" philosophies are very well, but still, you see: Our contracts and our trade secrets make Unix seem our property. Never mind what we really own (a question not rhetorical): We have thirty thousand contracts, though most are quite historical. Lawyer Chorus: We have thirty thousand contracts, though most are quite historical. We have thirty thousand contracts, though most are quite historical. We have thirty thousand contracts, though most are quite historical. McBride: While our profit's been elusive, our tort claims are unremitting, And Blake Stowell's PR quota is still dozens at each sitting. In short, in matters litigual, continual, accusative, I am the very model of a modern SCO executive. Lawyer Chorus: In short, in matters litigual, continual, accusative, He is the very model of a modern SCO executive. McBride: Our history's mythological (per Eric, it's not factual). I answer simple questions with evasions indeciph'rable. I'm quoted in the IT press, first one and then another way, And if that's not quite sufficient, then Sontag runs some blocking play. I'm not so good with copyrights, Novell's got those (they say to us), Our patent holding's very slim, our valuation's perilous. But please don't ever hit me with our POSIX system standard score. I'm always quite confused by that infernal nonsense System 4. Lawyer Chorus: He's always quite confused by that infernal nonsense System 4. He's always quite confused by that infernal nonsense System 4. He's always quite confused by that infernal nonsense System 4. McBride: That freaky hippie GPL, you'd think we'd never heard of it! And all that code we say they took? The Stevens book's got every bit. In short, with markets minucule and losses quite consecutive, I am the very model of a modern SCO executive. Lawyer Chorus: In short with markets minuscule and losses quite consecutive, He is the very model of a modern SCO executive! McBride: Our name is "SCO" (although we really still are Caldera): Our Eighties business plan seemed good; why permit a change of era? That old IP that passed to us seemed ripe for legal mining. We're not quite clear on what it is, but it must have been worth buying. I look with great anxiety on Linux and on BSD. I've signed up with the Devil: Chairman Bill sent a huge license fee. He says he has a high regard for intellectual property, But I really haven't thought much what he'll do when he's done with me. Lawyer Chorus: But he really hasn't thought much what he'll do when he's done with him. But he really hasn't thought much what he'll do when he's done with him. But he really hasn't thought much what he'll do when he's done with him. McBride: Our contract reach is deep and broad, and gives us exclusivity: The lawyers tell us to shoot wide. (Who'll notice things like privity?) From the penguinista rabble, I've earned naught but opprobrium. But dare I'll say I'm twice the man of anyone at I-B-M. Lawyer Chorus: But dare'e'll say he's twice the man of anyone at I-B-M. But dare'e'll say he's twice the man of anyone at I-B-M. But dare'e'll say he's twice the man of anyone at I-B-IBM. McBride: So though we have run quite amok, we readily will go away, If for our worthless capital, you were this tidy sum to pay. In short, with markets minuscule and losses quite consecutive, I am the very model of a modern SCO executive. Lawyer Chorus: In short, with markets minuscule and losses quite consecutive, I am the very model of a modern SCO executive. -- Cheers, I have /usr/sbin/coffee mounted from /dev/mug right now, Rick Moen and you can't have it. Oh no, I just tried to seek past rick at linuxmafia.com end-of-beverage. *sigh* -- Graham Reed, in the Monastery From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jun 4 02:15:16 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:15:16 -0700 Subject: [buug] KVM switch recommendation? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030603142019.03f9a2e0@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030603142019.03f9a2e0@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20030604091516.GB29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Skip Evans (evans at ncseweb.org): > We're adding another server here at it's time to get a KVM > switch I'm thinking. > > Any recommendations? Things to stay away from, etc? Avocent (formerly Cybex) KVMs are a bit more expensive the Belkins -- and worth it. Much, much fewer hardware-compatibility problems. -- Cheers, Ceterum censeo, Caldera delenda est. Rick Moen rick at linuxmafia.com From atporter at primate.net Thu Jun 5 10:48:47 2003 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:48:47 -0700 Subject: [buug] Group Hardware Buy? Message-ID: <20030605174847.GQ10391@primate.net> Hey BUUGers, I'm going to be placing an order for a Soekris system in the next few days, and was wondering if anyone else (local to Berkeley) wants one too? They're neat little boards, I'll be using one to replace my router/nat system and my wireless access point. The model: http://www.soekris.com/net4521.htm The pricing (Part 10452130): http://www.soekris.com/how_to_buy.htm From jan at caustic.org Fri Jun 6 09:53:43 2003 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Group Hardware Buy? In-Reply-To: <20030605174847.GQ10391@primate.net> References: <20030605174847.GQ10391@primate.net> Message-ID: <20030606095326.K58549@pogo.caustic.org> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Aaron T Porter wrote: > > Hey BUUGers, I'm going to be placing an order for a Soekris system > in the next few days, and was wondering if anyone else (local to > Berkeley) wants one too? They're neat little boards, I'll be using one > to replace my router/nat system and my wireless access point. i love my soekris. my only complaint with it is the power supply. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 From nkj at iaminsane.com Fri Jun 6 15:51:40 2003 From: nkj at iaminsane.com (Nick Jennings) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:51:40 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? Message-ID: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> So, I've had my new Powerbook G4 for a few months now and I love it. I just checked out the iTunes music store, it's pretty cool (if you habe a fast connection, that is). Bought the Strokes album, but I wanted to give a copy to a friend, so I uploaded the files to her. At that point I realized they were '.m4p' files. She uses Linux, and XMMS won't play em. So what do I do? I mean, I could burn an audio CD, give that to her, or rip the audio CD intp mp3's and upload them to her. This seems like an unnecesarry ordeal. Isn't there a converter? Anyone know? I tried searching on google without luck. - Nick From atporter at primate.net Fri Jun 6 15:59:36 2003 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:59:36 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> Message-ID: <20030606225936.GD10391@primate.net> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 03:51:40PM -0700, Nick Jennings wrote: > So, I've had my new Powerbook G4 for a few months now and I love it. I > just checked out the iTunes music store, it's pretty cool (if you habe a > fast connection, that is). Bought the Strokes album, but I wanted to > give a copy to a friend, so I uploaded the files to her. At that point I > realized they were '.m4p' files. > > She uses Linux, and XMMS won't play em. That's a feature, not a bug. You're not allowed to share the files you get from the iTunes music store. From nkj at iaminsane.com Fri Jun 6 16:15:30 2003 From: nkj at iaminsane.com (Nick Jennings) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:15:30 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030606225936.GD10391@primate.net> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> <20030606225936.GD10391@primate.net> Message-ID: <20030606231530.GD21830@iaminsane.com> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 03:59:36PM -0700, Aaron T Porter wrote: > On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 03:51:40PM -0700, Nick Jennings wrote: > > So, I've had my new Powerbook G4 for a few months now and I love it. I > > just checked out the iTunes music store, it's pretty cool (if you habe a > > fast connection, that is). Bought the Strokes album, but I wanted to > > give a copy to a friend, so I uploaded the files to her. At that point I > > realized they were '.m4p' files. > > > > She uses Linux, and XMMS won't play em. > > That's a feature, not a bug. You're not allowed to share the files > you get from the iTunes music store. > Seems kinda pointless since it appears I can still just burn an audio CD. Or am I mistaken? - nick From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 6 16:11:47 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:11:47 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> Message-ID: <20030606231146.GO29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > So, I've had my new Powerbook G4 for a few months now and I love it. I > just checked out the iTunes music store, it's pretty cool (if you habe a > fast connection, that is). Bought the Strokes album, but I wanted to > give a copy to a friend, so I uploaded the files to her. At that point I > realized they were '.m4p' files. > > She uses Linux, and XMMS won't play em. > > So what do I do? Be aware that Apple has been slowly caving in to RIAA pressure, for one thing. The "p" in "m4p" stands for "protected" [sic], and guess what _that_ means? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/30458.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/30466.html In short, you didn't actually buy the Strokes album (if I correctly understand from the above that you acquired its tracks from the iTunes music store); you only thought you did. You actually bought some very limited and (effectively temporary) access rights to a digital representation of it. If, on the other hand, you bought a regular CDDA-encoded physical Strokes album, then you have the usual technical options to make legitimate use of your purchase such as copying the bitstreams to a different storage medium you own and use. Note: Those legitimate uses would not seem to include "giving a copy to a friend". As loathsome as the RIAA is, I rather resent your providing justification for their thuggery. If you're going to keep seeking assistance with that, please let me know, and I'll take measures to ensure that I am not troubled by reading about your bootlegging efforts in the future. -- Cheers, Ceterum censeo, Caldera delenda est. Rick Moen rick at linuxmafia.com From cmsclaud at uga.edu Fri Jun 6 16:26:18 2003 From: cmsclaud at uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:26:18 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? Message-ID: > Seems kinda pointless since it appears I can still just burn > an audio CD. Or am I mistaken? That's precisely the point. Apple's trying a compromise. You can still move your media around but they're trying to make it inconvenient enough that it discourages casual copying (such as what you're trying to do). Can't say that I agree with them but I'm certainly sympathetic. From john at jjdev.com Fri Jun 6 16:29:29 2003 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:29:29 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030606231530.GD21830@iaminsane.com> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> <20030606225936.GD10391@primate.net> <20030606231530.GD21830@iaminsane.com> Message-ID: <20030606232928.GA10299@stang.jjdev.com> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 04:15:30PM -0700, Nick Jennings wrote: > Seems kinda pointless since it appears I can still just burn an audio > CD. Or am I mistaken? > pointless? Not really, it seems to be working in their favor in your case. By this I mean, it is not as easy for you as you would like it to be. They are successfully hindering you and that is their goal. From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 6 16:41:50 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:41:50 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Claude Rubinson (cmsclaud at uga.edu): > That's precisely the point. Apple's trying a compromise. You > can still move your media around but they're trying to make it > inconvenient enough that it discourages casual copying (such > as what you're trying to do). The iTunes client software refuses to convert a downloaded MPEG-4/ACC-encoded .m4p file to any other format. User-encoded (as opposed to downloaded) iTunes files are basically the same encoding but treated less stringently and given filename extension .m4a. > Can't say that I agree with them but I'm certainly sympathetic. I'd be sympathetic if users were fully informed about what they were buying into at the time of download. -- Cheers, Ceterum censeo, Caldera delenda est. Rick Moen rick at linuxmafia.com From jerry-sourceforge at theashergroup.com Fri Jun 6 17:05:33 2003 From: jerry-sourceforge at theashergroup.com (Jerry Asher) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:05:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <7040.209.233.238.162.1054944333.squirrel@postoffice.theashergroup.com > Claude Rubinson wrote: > >Seems kinda pointless since it appears I can still just burn > >an audio CD. Or am I mistaken? I use audible.com. Crummy website. IE Only. But I drive lots and for $20 a month I can download two books in a proprietary format. I can listen to the book using their proprietary player. I don't know any other audible subscribers, so I don't know if someone else could play the books I have bought and downloaded. I haven't read the fine print -- did I buy books or just licenses, but I am sure I know the answer (though they refer to my books as being in *my library*). While I would like to own the book, and as it turns out, for me, 1/2 the fun is giving a book I like away to someone else, well at $10 a book for 10-20 hours of driving entertainment, I am willing for now, to trade away ownership. I can legitimately (they provide the software and encouragement) burn the books to CD. But the books I listen to are typically unabridged and 10 - 40 hours long, making a CD copy prohibitively expensive (of my time and money). Odd Plug (not Ob Plug). Terrible website. Ethical/Moral problems over DRM. But some of these books are wonderful things to listen to. Up Country, 28 hours by Nelson DeMille narrated by Scott Brick. Snow Crash. Angel's Flight, Michael Connelly read by Burt Reynolds. Several James Lee Burke Mysteries, read by Will Patton. These were wonderful performances. One actor doing all the voices, male and female, and convincing too. Maybe one or two sound effects, but mostly just used as a seque. Not all the books have such good recordings, and those that don't can be painful to listen too. But if you're going on a long drive, or need something new to listen to at the gym or on a walk, it's a pretty good service. BUT I HATE THEIR DAMNED WEBSITE. It's clear they got some seed money from Microsoft or a Microsoft interested VC. From nkj at iaminsane.com Fri Jun 6 17:14:01 2003 From: nkj at iaminsane.com (Nick Jennings) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:14:01 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030607001400.GA12646@iaminsane.com> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 04:41:50PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Claude Rubinson (cmsclaud at uga.edu): > > > That's precisely the point. Apple's trying a compromise. You > > can still move your media around but they're trying to make it > > inconvenient enough that it discourages casual copying (such > > as what you're trying to do). > > The iTunes client software refuses to convert a downloaded > MPEG-4/ACC-encoded .m4p file to any other format. Acutally this is not true, it converts download iTunes music to CD Audio just fine. > User-encoded (as > opposed to downloaded) iTunes files are basically the same encoding but > treated less stringently and given filename extension .m4a. You mean ripped from CD right? This is also incorrect, iTunes encodes ripped music ifrom CD as mp3's. > > Can't say that I agree with them but I'm certainly sympathetic. > > I'd be sympathetic if users were fully informed about what they were > buying into at the time of download. Yeah, I wasn't informed of this. I am happy with the result though. It's much better than most solutions out there, because I actually have them on my hard drive, and can burn audio CD's. - Nick From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 6 17:18:00 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:18:00 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607001400.GA12646@iaminsane.com> References: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607001400.GA12646@iaminsane.com> Message-ID: <20030607001800.GT29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > Acutally this is not true, it converts download iTunes music to CD > Audio just fine. You're somewhat overinterpreting what I said. CDDA isn't exactly what I had in mind by "conversion", in that any further processing, such as re-encoding to MP3 (_or_ AAC) will lose quality. > You mean ripped from CD right? This is also incorrect, iTunes encodes > ripped music ifrom CD as mp3's. I was, as should have been obvious, referring to the iTunes option to encode at the user end into AAC encoding, not mp3. But you know, gosh, Nick, I have basically zero interest in helping you with your expressed aim of bootlegging. Which brings me back to my earlier question: Are you willing to confirm that you still have that aim? Please let me know, so I can hand you off to /dev/null. -- Mildly disgusted, Ceterum censeo, Caldera delenda est. Rick Moen rick at linuxmafia.com From nkj at iaminsane.com Fri Jun 6 17:25:02 2003 From: nkj at iaminsane.com (Nick Jennings) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:25:02 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030606231146.GO29461@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> <20030606231146.GO29461@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030607002502.GC12646@iaminsane.com> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 04:11:47PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Be aware that Apple has been slowly caving in to RIAA pressure, for one thing. > The "p" in "m4p" stands for "protected" [sic], and guess what _that_ means? I assumed it stood for 'pirate'. Silly me! :) > Note: Those legitimate uses would not seem to include "giving a copy to > a friend". As loathsome as the RIAA is, I rather resent your providing > justification for their thuggery. If you're going to keep seeking > assistance with that, please let me know, and I'll take measures to > ensure that I am not troubled by reading about your bootlegging efforts > in the future. Although my intention was not to offend you, I find it humorous that you were so. I was not doing anything illegal, I was simply doing a bit of creative writing. - Nick From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 6 17:25:19 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:25:19 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607002502.GC12646@iaminsane.com> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> <20030606231146.GO29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607002502.GC12646@iaminsane.com> Message-ID: <20030607002518.GU29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > I was not doing anything illegal.... Oh, so that bit about "giving a copy to a friend" was a surprising constellation of line noise. Right, then. (Note: Your change of subject to legality is noted without comment. I made no reference to law.) -- Cheers, Ceterum censeo, Caldera delenda est. Rick Moen rick at linuxmafia.com From nkj at iaminsane.com Fri Jun 6 17:32:30 2003 From: nkj at iaminsane.com (Nick Jennings) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:32:30 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607001800.GT29461@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607001400.GA12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607001800.GT29461@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030607003229.GD12646@iaminsane.com> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 05:18:00PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > > > Acutally this is not true, it converts download iTunes music to CD > > Audio just fine. > > You're somewhat overinterpreting what I said. CDDA isn't exactly > what I had in mind by "conversion", in that any further processing, such > as re-encoding to MP3 (_or_ AAC) will lose quality. Over interpreting? I believe that converting to CDDA is just as much of a "conversion" as anything else in a general sense. I was mereley making sure it was clear that you can burn CD's with the files downloaded from the iTunes store. It's an important detail in my opinion. > > You mean ripped from CD right? This is also incorrect, iTunes encodes > > ripped music ifrom CD as mp3's. > > I was, as should have been obvious, referring to the iTunes option to > encode at the user end into AAC encoding, not mp3. ?? I don't follow. I put in an audio CD, and select 'Convert to MP3'. I don't even see any option to convert to AAC encoding. - Nick From nkj at iaminsane.com Fri Jun 6 17:34:57 2003 From: nkj at iaminsane.com (Nick Jennings) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:34:57 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607002518.GU29461@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> <20030606231146.GO29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607002502.GC12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607002518.GU29461@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030607003457.GE12646@iaminsane.com> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 05:25:19PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > > > I was not doing anything illegal.... > > Oh, so that bit about "giving a copy to a friend" was a surprising > constellation of line noise. Right, then. Dude haven't you ever heard of disaster recovery? Offsite backup!? - Nick From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 6 17:30:53 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:30:53 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607003229.GD12646@iaminsane.com> References: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607001400.GA12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607001800.GT29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607003229.GD12646@iaminsane.com> Message-ID: <20030607003053.GV29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > Over interpreting? You having a reading-comprehension problem? > I believe that converting to CDDA is just as much of > a "conversion" as anything else in a general sense. All God's chillun got opinions. > ?? I don't follow. On the whole, I can live with that. > I put in an audio CD, and select 'Convert to MP3'. I > don't even see any option to convert to AAC encoding. I'm sorry to hear about _your_ problem. http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/04/20030429195456.shtml Quoting: According to Apple: iTunes will only play AAC files that are created by iTunes or downloaded from the Music Store. "Other AAC files that you find on the Internet or elsewhere will not play in iTunes." However, Anecdotal evidence does not support this. Users have reported being able to play AAC files encoded outside of iTunes. [ Tech Note ] - AACs you rip from CD yourself (via iTunes) have no restrictions. Now, don't you have some warez to work on, sonny? -- Cheers, Live Faust, die Jung. Rick Moen rick at linuxmafia.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 6 17:32:08 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:32:08 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607003457.GE12646@iaminsane.com> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> <20030606231146.GO29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607002502.GC12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607002518.GU29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607003457.GE12646@iaminsane.com> Message-ID: <20030607003208.GW29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > Dude haven't you ever heard of disaster recovery? Offsite backup!? You're evidently confusing me with somebody with a short-term memory problem, kid. -- Cheers, I have /usr/sbin/coffee mounted from /dev/mug right now, Rick Moen and you can't have it. Oh no, I just tried to seek past rick at linuxmafia.com end-of-beverage. *sigh* -- Graham Reed, in the Monastery From nick at zork.net Fri Jun 6 17:29:35 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:29:35 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607003208.GW29461@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> <20030606231146.GO29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607002502.GC12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607002518.GU29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607003457.GE12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607003208.GW29461@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030607002935.GN32655@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > > > Dude haven't you ever heard of disaster recovery? Offsite backup!? > > You're evidently confusing me with somebody with a short-term memory > problem, kid. YHBT -- end From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 6 17:42:29 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:42:29 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607002935.GN32655@zork.net> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> <20030606231146.GO29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607002502.GC12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607002518.GU29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607003457.GE12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607003208.GW29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607002935.GN32655@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030607004229.GX29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Nick Moffitt (nick at zork.net): > YHBT It look more like the "I'm a funny guy so please ignore what I said earlier" gambit. Which stopped being amusing around age eight. -- Cheers, I've been suffering death by PowerPoint, recently. Rick Moen -- Huw Davies rick at linuxmafia.com From nkj at iaminsane.com Fri Jun 6 17:49:52 2003 From: nkj at iaminsane.com (Nick Jennings) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:49:52 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607003053.GV29461@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607001400.GA12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607001800.GT29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607003229.GD12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607003053.GV29461@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030607004952.GF12646@iaminsane.com> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 05:30:53PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > > You having a reading-comprehension problem? No. Do you? > All God's chillun got opinions. Apparently. > > ?? I don't follow. > > On the whole, I can live with that. I'm glad. Wouldn't want to go giving you a heart attack or anything. > > I put in an audio CD, and select 'Convert to MP3'. I > > don't even see any option to convert to AAC encoding. > > I'm sorry to hear about _your_ problem. > http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/04/20030429195456.shtml > > Quoting: > > According to Apple: iTunes will only play AAC files that are created by > iTunes or downloaded from the Music Store. "Other AAC files that you > find on the Internet or elsewhere will not play in iTunes." However, > Anecdotal evidence does not support this. Users have reported being able > to play AAC files encoded outside of iTunes. [ Tech Note ] > > - AACs you rip from CD yourself (via iTunes) have no restrictions. I was not stating that it could not be done, as you are now trying to prove. I was letting you know that iTunes can, and does, convert to mp3. In a previous message in this thread Rick Moen said: > User-encoded (as > opposed to downloaded) iTunes files are basically the same encoding > but > treated less stringently and given filename extension .m4a. I don't know how old that documentation is, but if it is possible to rip as .m4a files, it's not made easily available (i.e. in a pull-down menu by default). - Nick From nkj at iaminsane.com Fri Jun 6 18:01:34 2003 From: nkj at iaminsane.com (Nick Jennings) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:01:34 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607004229.GX29461@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> <20030606231146.GO29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607002502.GC12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607002518.GU29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607003457.GE12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607003208.GW29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607002935.GN32655@zork.net> <20030607004229.GX29461@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030607010134.GG12646@iaminsane.com> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 05:42:29PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > It look more like the "I'm a funny guy so please ignore what I said > earlier" gambit. Which stopped being amusing around age eight. No, it's an "Oh my god is this guy really THIS anal!?" gambit. The further this goes the more I realize, "Yeah, he sure is!". - Nick From nkj at iaminsane.com Fri Jun 6 18:05:54 2003 From: nkj at iaminsane.com (Nick Jennings) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:05:54 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607002935.GN32655@zork.net> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> <20030606231146.GO29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607002502.GC12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607002518.GU29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607003457.GE12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607003208.GW29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607002935.GN32655@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030607010553.GH12646@iaminsane.com> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 05:29:35PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > > > > > Dude haven't you ever heard of disaster recovery? Offsite backup!? > > > > You're evidently confusing me with somebody with a short-term memory > > problem, kid. > > YHBT I guess I do inadvertently find myself trolling at times. It's just so hard to resist when you have someone as anal and pretentious as THE RICK MOEN breathing down your neck! I just picture him frustratingly pounding away on his keyboard, trying so hard! - Nick From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 6 18:16:55 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:16:55 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607004952.GF12646@iaminsane.com> References: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607001400.GA12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607001800.GT29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607003229.GD12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607003053.GV29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607004952.GF12646@iaminsane.com> Message-ID: <20030607011655.GZ29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > I was not stating that it could not be done, as you are now trying to > prove. I was letting you know that iTunes can, and does, convert to mp3. This does not contradict, and is irrelevant to, what I said. > I don't know how old that documentation is, but if it is possible to rip > as .m4a files, it's not made easily available (i.e. in a pull-down menu > by default). I _still_ don't really care about your problem. -- Cheers, Ceterum censeo, Caldera delenda est. Rick Moen rick at linuxmafia.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 6 18:18:00 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:18:00 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607010553.GH12646@iaminsane.com> References: <20030606225139.GC21830@iaminsane.com> <20030606231146.GO29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607002502.GC12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607002518.GU29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607003457.GE12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607003208.GW29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607002935.GN32655@zork.net> <20030607010553.GH12646@iaminsane.com> Message-ID: <20030607011800.GA29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > I just picture him frustratingly pounding away on his keyboard, trying > so hard! I'm sorry, but who were you, again? -- Cheers, Rick Moen Age, baro, fac ut gaudeam. rick at linuxmafia.com From cmsclaud at uga.edu Fri Jun 6 19:40:51 2003 From: cmsclaud at uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:40:51 -0700 Subject: [buug] Consumer Reports reviews Walmart/Lindows PC Message-ID: <20030607024050.GA21842@wagner> Received the latest issue of Consumer Reports in the mail today. It includes a capsule review of the Walmart/Lindows machine. Nothing surprising (they hated it) but thought that it might be of interest nonetheless. The relevant section: "Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, now offers a line of 9 desktop computers through walmart.com that are noteworthy on two counts: They're among the cheapest, with some priced around $200, and they're the first widely available machines driven by something other than Windows or Macintosh OS X. We weren't impressed. The computer we tested was OK for Web browsing, e-mail, and letter writing, but not much more. And anyone who equates 'low-priced' with 'basic and easy to use' will be frustrated. Instead, we recommend that you spend another $200 or so for a low-priced Windows computer..." From nkj at iaminsane.com Sun Jun 8 10:40:22 2003 From: nkj at iaminsane.com (Nick Jennings) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:40:22 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030607011655.GZ29461@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607001400.GA12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607001800.GT29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607003229.GD12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607003053.GV29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607004952.GF12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607011655.GZ29461@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030608174021.GA23472@iaminsane.com> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 06:16:55PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > I _still_ don't really care about your problem. My goal was not to get you to care. In fact, the "problem" was resolved before your first response. Get over yourself. - Nick From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Jun 8 11:28:23 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:28:23 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030608174021.GA23472@iaminsane.com> References: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607001400.GA12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607001800.GT29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607003229.GD12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607003053.GV29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607004952.GF12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607011655.GZ29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030608174021.GA23472@iaminsane.com> Message-ID: <20030608182823.GM29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > My goal was not to get you to care. Your goal appears to have been to have tantrums in public. Oh well. -- Cheers, Ceterum censeo, Caldera delenda est. Rick Moen rick at linuxmafia.com From nick at zork.net Sun Jun 8 16:07:37 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:07:37 -0700 Subject: [buug] iTunes Music Store: m4p audio files? In-Reply-To: <20030608182823.GM29461@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030606234150.GQ29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607001400.GA12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607001800.GT29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607003229.GD12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607003053.GV29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030607004952.GF12646@iaminsane.com> <20030607011655.GZ29461@linuxmafia.com> <20030608174021.GA23472@iaminsane.com> <20030608182823.GM29461@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030608230737.GF1586@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Quoting Nick Jennings (nkj at iaminsane.com): > > > My goal was not to get you to care. > > Your goal appears to have been to have tantrums in public. Oh well. NOnono! *I* got the last word! There! -- end From desertfox at cableaz.com Sun Jun 8 17:43:42 2003 From: desertfox at cableaz.com (Erick Smith) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:43:42 -0700 Subject: [buug] LAN naming resolution Message-ID: <200306081743.42262.desertfox@cableaz.com> I'm sure this is a total newbie question, but I just can't seem to find the answer. I'm running a small LAN in my home, and so far I have been relying on the /etc/hosts file for name resolution. Naturally this isn't ideal because the IP addresses are handed out by my router and change occassionally....makeing me update all the hosts files. I assume that in order to get dynamic name resolution working properly that I must get the bind daemon running. I've looked through the manual regarding DNS but this document seems to focus on Internet wide applications. I just want local DNS working because the internet DNS system is working fine for the rest. Is there a document somewhere that's specifically aimed at LANs? I'm just tired of editing /etc/hosts. Thanks, Erick Smith From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Jun 8 20:42:59 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:42:59 -0700 Subject: [buug] LAN naming resolution In-Reply-To: <200306081743.42262.desertfox@cableaz.com> References: <200306081743.42262.desertfox@cableaz.com> Message-ID: <20030609034259.GR29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Erick Smith (desertfox at cableaz.com): > I'm sure this is a total newbie question, but I just can't seem to find the > answer. No, actually it's a natural question for which there isn't nearly enough available public documentation. > I'm running a small LAN in my home, and so far I have been relying on the > /etc/hosts file for name resolution. > > Naturally this isn't ideal because the IP addresses are handed out by my > router and change occassionally....makeing me update all the hosts files. > > I assume that in order to get dynamic name resolution working properly that I > must get the bind daemon running. BIND is just the best-known DNS daemon, and you're correct that it's not a great fit for your situation. Here's a rundown on all known DNS daemon choices: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/dns-servers Have a look at the entry, there, for Dnsmasq. It seems likely to be a pretty good fit for your situation. (I have no personal experience with it, alas.) You would use its authoritative service for the names of your machines on the local LAN. (Invent a nonsense domain, if you like. I tend to use cabal.gov.) The caching forwarder is the part that deals with DNS information from the rest of the world, querying other authoritative servers for it and then caching the results. -- Cheers, I've been suffering death by PowerPoint, recently. Rick Moen -- Huw Davies rick at linuxmafia.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Jun 9 01:51:59 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 01:51:59 -0700 Subject: [buug] LAN naming resolution In-Reply-To: <200306090025.07858.desertfox@cableaz.com> References: <200306081743.42262.desertfox@cableaz.com> <20030609034259.GR29461@linuxmafia.com> <200306090025.07858.desertfox@cableaz.com> Message-ID: <20030609085159.GU29461@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Erick Smith (desertfox at cableaz.com): > Ok, thanks for that info. Yr. welcome. I hope you won't mind my directing this back to the mailing list. You departed into private mail, and I'll assume you did that accidentally rather than out of any need for privacy. > I failed to mention that I am on FreeBSD, and Dnsmasq is unfortunately > not in the ports tree. I have, however; gotten the source and will be > checking it out to see if I can install it. Ah well. It should be pretty easy to compile and install into /usr/local. I've done BIND on FreeBSD, but not any of the alternatives. > I located most of these other dns servers in the ports tree and have > installed a couple. Is there any general DNS info somewhere for > someone like me who knows next to nothing about it? Truthfully all > these programs seem pretty complex. I do sympathise. I learned DNS back when the only good information out there was the O'Reilly "DNS & BIND" book, which of course has nothing about any other implementation other than BIND. I think the single best resource on the Net is the DNS Resource Directory, http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/ , which links to other useful sites like "Ask Mr. DNS". -- Cheers, There are only 10 types of people in this world -- Rick Moen those who understand binary arithmetic and those who don't. rick at linuxmafia.com From cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu Mon Jun 9 19:22:45 2003 From: cmsclaud at arches.uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:22:45 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: Meeting Location In-Reply-To: <3EE53427.1010907@pacbell.net> References: <3EE4E6A7.5030202@pacbell.net> <200306091709.20806.shalehperry@attbi.com> <20030610001608.GB3684@zork.net> <3EE53427.1010907@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20030610022245.GC26289@wagner> Oh Jesus Christ! Here goes: This month's BAD meeting will be 7pm, Wed, June 11 at Triple Rock in Berkeley. Getting to Triple Rock is simple. From BART, exit at Downtown Berkeley, and go North on Shattuck Avenue 3 1/2 blocks to 1920 Shattuck; you'll see the classic neon sign on your left. Driving from San Francisco, Marin, or other points, find your way to the 580/80 freeway, take the University Avenue exit, go a couple of miles east, and take a left on Shattuck Avenue; Triple Rock is 1 1/2 blocks up. From Cal Berkeley, head west; the pub is 2 blocks from campus near the corner of Hearst Avenue. Call 510-THE-BREW for personalized directions. See you there. Claude p.s. Steve - don't post HTML to the list. Thanks. From jerry-sourceforge at theashergroup.com Mon Jun 9 19:51:39 2003 From: jerry-sourceforge at theashergroup.com (Jerry Asher) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:51:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [buug] Who's bad? In-Reply-To: <20030610022245.GC26289@wagner> References: <3EE4E6A7.5030202@pacbell.net> <200306091709.20806.shalehperry@attbi.com> <20030610001608.GB3684@zork.net> <3EE53427.1010907@pacbell.net> <20030610022245.GC26289@wagner> Message-ID: <4470.209.233.238.162.1055213499.squirrel@postoffice.theashergroup.com > > Oh Jesus Christ! Here goes: > > This month's BAD meeting will be 7pm, Wed, June 11 at Triple Rock in > Berkeley. > Claude Rubinson wrote: > Oh Jesus Christ! Here goes: > > This month's BAD meeting will be 7pm, Wed, June 11 at Triple Rock in > Berkeley. What's BAD?? Jerry P.S. I have the answer to Who's Bad but don't know what is BAD.... MICHAEL JACKSON LYRICS "Bad" Your Butt Is Mine Gonna Take You Right Just Show Your Face In Broad Daylight I'm Telling You On How I Feel Gonna Hurt Your Mind Don't Shoot To Kill Come On, Come On, Lay It On Me All Right... I'm Giving You On Count Of Three To Show Your Stuff Or Let It Be . . . I'm Telling You Just Watch Your Mouth I Know Your Game What You're About Well They Say The Sky's The Limit And To Me That's Really True But My Friend You Have Seen Nothing Just Wait 'Til I Get Through . . . Because I'm Bad, I'm Bad- Come On (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) You Know I'm Bad, I'm Bad- You Know It (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) You Know I'm Bad, I'm Bad- Come On, You Know (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) And The Whole World Has To Answer Right Now Just To Tell You Once Again, Who's Bad . . . The Word Is Out You're Doin' Wrong Gonna Lock You Up Before Too Long, Your Lyin' Eyes Gonna Take You Right So Listen Up Don't Make A Fight, Your Talk Is Cheap You're Not A Man You're Throwin' Stones To Hide Your Hands But They Say The Sky's The Limit And To Me That's Really True And My Friends You Have Seen Nothin' Just Wait 'Til I Get Through . . . Because I'm Bad, I'm Bad- Come On (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) You Know I'm Bad, I'm Bad- You Know It (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) You Know I'm Bad, I'm Bad- You Know It, You Know (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) And The Whole World Has To Answer Right Now (And The Whole World Has To Answer Right Now) Just To Tell You Once Again, (Just To Tell You Once Again) Who's Bad . . . We Can Change The World Tomorrow This Could Be A Better Place If You Don't Like What I'm Sayin' Then Won't You Slap My Face . . . Because I'm Bad, I'm Bad- Come On (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) You Know I'm Bad, I'm Bad- You Know It (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) You Know I'm Bad, I'm Bad- You Know It, You Know (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) Woo! Woo! Woo! (And The Whole World Has To Answer Right Now Just To Tell You Once Again . . .) You Know I'm Bad, I'm Bad- Come On (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) You Know I'm Bad, I'm Bad- You Know It-You Know It (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) You Know, You Know, You Know, Come On (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) And The Whole World Has To Answer Right Now (And The Whole World Has To Answer Right Now) Just To Tell You (Just To Tell You Once Again) You Know I'm Smooth, I'm Bad, You Know It (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) You Know I'm Bad, I'm Bad Baby (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) You Know, You Know, You Know It, Come On (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) And The Whole World Has To Answer Right Now (And The Whole World Has To Answer Right Now) Woo! (Just To Tell You Once Again) You Know I'm Bad, I'm Bad- You Know It (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) You Know I'm Bad-You Know-Hoo! (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) You Know I'm Bad-I'm Bad- You Know It, You Know (Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad) And The Whole World Has To Answer Right Now (And The Whole World Has To Answer Right Now) Just To Tell You Once Again . . . (Just To Tell You Once Again . . .) Who's Bad? From cmsclaud at uga.edu Mon Jun 9 19:57:39 2003 From: cmsclaud at uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:57:39 -0700 Subject: [cmsclaud@arches.uga.edu: [buug] Re: Meeting Location] Message-ID: <20030610025738.GA26553@wagner> Well, fuck me. I fumble-fingered over the address. This should have gone to BAD (Bay Area Debian). ----- Forwarded message from Claude Rubinson ----- From: Claude Rubinson To: buug at weak.org Subject: [buug] Re: Meeting Location Oh Jesus Christ! Here goes: This month's BAD meeting will be 7pm, Wed, June 11 at Triple Rock in Berkeley. Getting to Triple Rock is simple. From BART, exit at Downtown Berkeley, and go North on Shattuck Avenue 3 1/2 blocks to 1920 Shattuck; you'll see the classic neon sign on your left. Driving from San Francisco, Marin, or other points, find your way to the 580/80 freeway, take the University Avenue exit, go a couple of miles east, and take a left on Shattuck Avenue; Triple Rock is 1 1/2 blocks up. From Cal Berkeley, head west; the pub is 2 blocks from campus near the corner of Hearst Avenue. Call 510-THE-BREW for personalized directions. See you there. Claude p.s. Steve - don't post HTML to the list. Thanks. _______________________________________________ Buug mailing list Buug at weak.org http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug ----- End forwarded message ----- From wfhoney at pacbell.net Tue Jun 10 08:43:18 2003 From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Bill Honeycutt) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:43:18 -0700 Subject: [cmsclaud@arches.uga.edu: [buug] Re: Meeting Location] In-Reply-To: <20030610025738.GA26553@wagner> References: <20030610025738.GA26553@wagner> Message-ID: <3EE5FC96.1040803@pacbell.net> That's pretty BAD, Claude :-P Claude Rubinson wrote: > Well, fuck me. I fumble-fingered over the address. This should have > gone to BAD (Bay Area Debian). > > ----- Forwarded message from Claude Rubinson ----- > > From: Claude Rubinson > To: buug at weak.org > Subject: [buug] Re: Meeting Location > > Oh Jesus Christ! Here goes: > > This month's BAD meeting will be 7pm, Wed, June 11 at Triple Rock in > Berkeley. > > Getting to Triple Rock is simple. From BART, exit at Downtown > Berkeley, and go North on Shattuck Avenue 3 1/2 blocks to 1920 > Shattuck; you'll see the classic neon sign on your left. Driving from > San Francisco, Marin, or other points, find your way to the 580/80 > freeway, take the University Avenue exit, go a couple of miles east, > and take a left on Shattuck Avenue; Triple Rock is 1 1/2 blocks > up. From Cal Berkeley, head west; the pub is 2 blocks from campus near > the corner of Hearst Avenue. Call 510-THE-BREW for personalized > directions. > > See you there. > > Claude > > p.s. Steve - don't post HTML to the list. Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > From evans at ncseweb.org Wed Jun 11 09:39:59 2003 From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:39:59 -0700 Subject: [buug] Switches? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030611093550.02e90ec8@mail.mindspring.com> Hey, Thanks for the tips on the KVMs. I ordered one that someone had recommended and it came yesterday: works fine. Now I need to get a new switch. We have a 16 port thing here from Centercom, it says on its faceplate, but need to go up to 24. Any recommendations? Linksys has one for $135. I am thinking I want to make sure it is completely brainless, so it does not interfere with the firewall's DHCP stuff, etc. But I imagine most switches are, right? Software guy out of his league once again... *sigh* Any recommendations greatly appreciated. Skip Evans Network Project Director National Center for Science Education 420 40th St, Suite 2 Oakland, CA 94609 510-601-7203 Ext. 308 510-601-7204 (fax) 800-290-6006 evans at ncseweb.org http://www.ncseweb.org NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. To sign up send: subscribe ncse your at email.address.here to: majordomo at ncseweb2.org To unsubscribe send: unsubscribe ncse your at email.address.here to: majordomo at ncseweb2.org From jan at caustic.org Wed Jun 11 09:45:45 2003 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Switches? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030611093550.02e90ec8@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030611093550.02e90ec8@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20030611094335.I7140@pogo.caustic.org> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Skip Evans wrote: > Any recommendations? Linksys has one for $135. I am thinking I > want to make sure it is completely brainless, so it does not interfere > with the firewall's DHCP stuff, etc. But I imagine most switches are, > right? i have had zero problems with my netgear switches (by bay networks). for a dumb switch, these are rock solid, very stable, and work well. my only complaint with them is the power supply. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 From john at jjdev.com Thu Jun 12 11:49:55 2003 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:49:55 -0700 Subject: [buug] srcsafe with wine Message-ID: <20030612184955.GA5162@stang.jjdev.com> Anyone had any luck getting source safe to work under wine? -- Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --Henry Spencer (Usenet signature, November 1987) From brian at planetshwoop.com Thu Jun 12 12:02:43 2003 From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:02:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [buug] non-RFC1918 addresses Message-ID: <49059.4.17.250.5.1055444563.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> Someone in my company is asking for a "non-RFC1918" address. I read the RFC, and if I understood it correctly, it recommends that large companies use private IPs (e.g. 10.x.x.x, 192.168.x.x, etc.) for their internal networks as a best practice. Is a non-RFC1918 address therefore just a publicly available IP, or is there something I'm missing? brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ From jan at caustic.org Thu Jun 12 12:06:28 2003 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] non-RFC1918 addresses In-Reply-To: <49059.4.17.250.5.1055444563.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> References: <49059.4.17.250.5.1055444563.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> Message-ID: <20030612120347.S7140@pogo.caustic.org> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Brian Sobolak wrote: > Someone in my company is asking for a "non-RFC1918" address. > I read the RFC, and if I understood it correctly, it recommends that > large companies use private IPs (e.g. 10.x.x.x, 192.168.x.x, etc.) for > their internal networks as a best practice. it's not so much 'best practice' as much as limiting the need for large amounts of IP space usage. > Is a non-RFC1918 address therefore just a publicly available IP, or is > there something I'm missing? it's a routed IP. i don't think you're missing anything. what you may want to know is why they want it, and how they're planning on using it. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Jun 12 16:29:51 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:29:51 -0700 Subject: [buug] non-RFC1918 addresses In-Reply-To: <49059.4.17.250.5.1055444563.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> References: <49059.4.17.250.5.1055444563.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> Message-ID: <20030612232951.GC3541@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Brian Sobolak (brian at planetshwoop.com): > Is a non-RFC1918 address therefore just a publicly available IP, or is > there something I'm missing? Your cow-orker is indeed asking for an IP of the sort that could potentially be publicly routable -- if thus routed. (At my old firm of a couple of decades back, we used genuine, ARIN-issued IP addresses for all hosts, long before I connected the firm to the Internet via filtering router and frame-relay T1. Thus, they were _potentially_ routable in the sense of being valid for public routing, but were not at that time routed.) -- Cheers, I've been suffering death by PowerPoint, recently. Rick Moen -- Huw Davies rick at linuxmafia.com From evans at ncseweb.org Fri Jun 13 10:54:41 2003 From: evans at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:54:41 -0700 Subject: [buug] Firing a URL with lynx? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030613105154.035eeb60@mail.mindspring.com> Hi all, I have a PHP script I wrote that fires off an email to members of a web site to let them know at the end of the day all the updates to the site for that day. I was wondering if it's possible to put a call to lynx in a chron job and have it fire off the URL, but then also kill itself once it has done the URL. I have looked through the options in the man pages, but didn't see anything that would cause it to terminate after executing the script. Anyone know how this can be done, if it can be done? Thanks, Skip Skip Evans Network Project Director National Center for Science Education 420 40th St, Suite 2 Oakland, CA 94609 510-601-7203 Ext. 308 510-601-7204 (fax) 800-290-6006 evans at ncseweb.org http://www.ncseweb.org NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. To sign up send: subscribe ncse your at email.address.here to: majordomo at ncseweb2.org To unsubscribe send: unsubscribe ncse your at email.address.here to: majordomo at ncseweb2.org From atporter at primate.net Fri Jun 13 10:58:12 2003 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:58:12 -0700 Subject: [buug] Firing a URL with lynx? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030613105154.035eeb60@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030613105154.035eeb60@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20030613175812.GJ14688@primate.net> On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 10:54:41AM -0700, Skip Evans wrote: > I have a PHP script I wrote that fires off an email to members of a > web site to let them know at the end of the day all the updates to the > site for that day. > > I was wondering if it's possible to put a call to lynx in a chron job > and have it fire off the URL, but then also kill itself once it has done > the URL. > > Anyone know how this can be done, if it can be done? Why not use the php interpreter from the commandline? Or wget the url, or lynx -dump? From sneakums at zork.net Fri Jun 13 10:59:19 2003 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:59:19 +0100 Subject: [buug] Firing a URL with lynx? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030613105154.035eeb60@mail.mindspring.com> (Skip Evans's message of "Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:54:41 -0700") References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030613105154.035eeb60@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <6uznklvoy0.fsf@zork.zork.net> Skip Evans writes: > I have a PHP script I wrote that fires off an email to members of a > web site to let them know at the end of the day all the updates to the > site for that day. > > I was wondering if it's possible to put a call to lynx in a chron job > and have it fire off the URL, but then also kill itself once it has done > the URL. > > I have looked through the options in the man pages, but didn't see > anything that would cause it to terminate after executing the script. lynx -dump is probably what you want. If the script doesn't return any useful information, just devnull it. From atporter at primate.net Fri Jun 13 11:12:13 2003 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:12:13 -0700 Subject: [buug] Firing a URL with lynx? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030613110407.03676e78@mail.mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030613105154.035eeb60@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030613105154.035eeb60@mail.mindspring.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030613110407.03676e78@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20030613181213.GL14688@primate.net> On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 11:05:50AM -0700, Skip Evans wrote: > I wasn't sure if dump would actually execute the script, including the > email function, but I guess it might have to in order to produce the out > put. And then it exits? Guess it might. Okay, I'll try that. Yeah, apache/php will process the page to generate the output. > What's wget? It didn't have a man page. If it's a C call that would be > easy enough to do. GNU Wget, command line web tool. Should be in ports. http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/wget.html If you have a PHP binary, you could probably do: php -q /path/to/php/script.php You can also do php scripts like you would a shell script and put something like this at the top of the file: #!/usr/bin/php From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jun 20 20:52:27 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:52:27 -0700 Subject: [buug] Attention, CalLUG people: Your host's off-line Message-ID: <20030621035227.GS1427@linuxmafia.com> I realise it's summer session at Cal, but if any CalLUG officers are still in the area, please be aware that brain.cs.berkeley.edu (CNAME callug.cs.berkeley.edu), the mailing list machine, isn't responding to ping any more, and www-callug.cs.berkeley.edu, the Web server, doesn't even resolve in the DNS any more. If you need help, please let me know. -- Resize your browser so the following line touches both margins!
Best Regards, Rick Moen, rick at linuxmafia.com From nick at zork.net Sat Jun 21 00:00:24 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:00:24 -0700 Subject: [buug] Attention, CalLUG people: Your host's off-line In-Reply-To: <20030621035227.GS1427@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030621035227.GS1427@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030621070024.GH1189@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > I realise it's summer session at Cal, but if any CalLUG officers are > still in the area, please be aware that brain.cs.berkeley.edu (CNAME > callug.cs.berkeley.edu), the mailing list machine, isn't responding > to ping any more, and www-callug.cs.berkeley.edu, the Web server, > doesn't even resolve in the DNS any more. You may be able to get ahold of someone on soda.csua.berkeley.edu using their lwall address. If you send mail to (I think) lwall at soda.csua.berkeley.edu it will lwall it (lwall was somewhat of an inspiration for nwall). That may get the attention of people who at least know folks in charge of the callug system. -- end From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Jun 21 00:28:26 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:28:26 -0700 Subject: [buug] Attention, CalLUG people: Your host's off-line In-Reply-To: <20030621070024.GH1189@zork.net> References: <20030621035227.GS1427@linuxmafia.com> <20030621070024.GH1189@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030621072826.GV1427@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Nick Moffitt (nick at zork.net): > You may be able to get ahold of someone on > soda.csua.berkeley.edu using their lwall address. If you send mail to > (I think) lwall at soda.csua.berkeley.edu it will lwall it (lwall was > somewhat of an inspiration for nwall). That may get the attention of > people who at least know folks in charge of the callug system. Excellent idea, but I think that system's out of order: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "| /csua/home/lwall/bin/mail.pl" (reason: 255) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 255 From rajesh.vargheese at voxpath.com Fri Jun 27 09:15:44 2003 From: rajesh.vargheese at voxpath.com (Rajesh Vargheese) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:15:44 -0500 Subject: [buug] Debugging a core Message-ID: <5A670681489CBD43B17A6ABCB8AEC43164F8D7@mailserver.voxpath.com> Hi, I am using sun solaris on sparc. [64 bit] I do not have the source for the core on the host the application is running. I got a core. I transferred the core to another host that has pstack on it, but it doesnot give me any info. It just has lot of question marks. core 'core-copy' of 11682: /vas/VXPssw/bin/TcApp /vas/VXPssw/config/tcApp.cfg /vas/VXPssw/config/ ----------------- lwp# 41 / thread# 20 -------------------- ffffffff7f232f48 ???????? (0, ffffffff7440ab40, 0, 10040f910, 0, ffffffff7440a4e0) ffffffff7f224b18 ???????? (10040a6a8, 1, ffffffff7440ab40, ffffffff7440ab40, 100401728, ffffffff7440ab40) ffffffff7f2251b0 ???????? (10040a6a8, ffffffff7440ab40, ffffffff7440aa0f, ffffffff7f1d373c, ffffffff79a07958, ffffffff79b0 bf18) ffffffff7f226958 ???????? (10040a6a8, ffffffff7440ab40, ffffffff7e80c5d8, 0, ffffffff7bcbf728, 28) ffffffff7b20eaf0 ???????? (1004026b0, 1, 0, 1003fba30, 1003f5330, 10040b860) 00000001000aad84 ???????? (1003e1740, 1003aa1a0, 0, 100308e69, 5eb, 0) 00000001000b36c4 ???????? (1003e1740, 1003aa1a0, 1003869c0, ffffffff7440b550, 1077b4, 100413260) 00000001000a1dd8 ???????? (1003aa1a0, 1003869c0, 0, 1, 100413178, 0) 000000010006f094 ???????? (1003aa1c8, 1003869c0, 0, ffffffff7bd068dc, 107404, 0) ffffffff7d907078 ???????? (1003869c0, 100401818, ffffffff7440b190, ffffffff7bd068dc, 1077b4, 0) ffffffff7d90d4d4 ???????? (1003f0520, 1003869c0, 0, 0, 1, 0) ffffffff7d906520 ???????? (100401810, 0, 1701ec, ffffffff7bd068dc, 170b68, ffffffff7bd068dc) ffffffff7bb46ab0 ???????? (ffffffff7440b428, 100413290, 1701ec, ffffffff7bd068dc, 107404, 0) ffffffff7bb469d0 ???????? (100413170, 4, ffffffff7bb4bee0, 14, 1, 0) ffffffff7bb4818c ???????? (100413170, 100413170, 0, ffffffff7440b550, 1, 100413260) ffffffff7bb47f14 ???????? (100413170, ffffffff7440b650, 0, 1, 100413178, 0) ffffffff7bb4d178 ???????? (100413170, 1, 0, 16b67c, ffffffff7bcb75a0, ffffffff7440b780) ffffffff7bb518e8 ???????? (1003f1100, 0, ffffffff7bb6a2c8, 14, 1, 0) ffffffff7bb4818c ???????? (1003f1100, 1003f1100, 0, ffffffff7440b9b0, 1, 1003f11f0) ffffffff7bb6a23c ???????? (1003f1100, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0) ffffffff7bb6a1d4 ???????? (1003f1100, ffffffff77305361, 0, 0, 0, 1000) ffffffff7941f364 _thread_start (1003f1100, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0) + 40 Thanks, Rajesh From cmsclaud at uga.edu Sun Jun 29 14:53:24 2003 From: cmsclaud at uga.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:53:24 -0700 Subject: [buug] Sign duty Message-ID: <20030629215324.GA15488@wagner> I'm not going to be able to attend this week's BUUG meeting. Can somebody else volunteer to bring a sign? Thanks. Claude From wfhoney at pacbell.net Sun Jun 29 17:17:49 2003 From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Bill Honeycutt) Date: 29 Jun 2003 17:17:49 -0700 Subject: [buug] Sign duty In-Reply-To: <20030629215324.GA15488@wagner> References: <20030629215324.GA15488@wagner> Message-ID: <1056932269.10891.0.camel@fontanka> Bring it on! On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 14:53, Claude Rubinson wrote: > I'm not going to be able to attend this week's BUUG meeting. Can > somebody else volunteer to bring a sign? Thanks. > > Claude > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From unixjavabob at yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 22:52:47 2003 From: unixjavabob at yahoo.com (Bob Read) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Debugging a core In-Reply-To: <5A670681489CBD43B17A6ABCB8AEC43164F8D7@mailserver.voxpath.com> Message-ID: <20030701055247.43442.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Rajesh, Try using adb or gdb to analyze. You don't need the source. It goes something like this: adb /path/to/binary /path/to/core adb is interactive and has a bunch of commands, so run adb in one window, and have "man adb" in the other. Bob R. --- Rajesh Vargheese wrote: > Hi, > > I am using sun solaris on sparc. [64 bit] I do not > have the source for the > core on the host the application is running. I got a > core. I transferred the > core to another host that has pstack on it, but it > doesnot give me any info. > It just has lot of question marks. > > core 'core-copy' of 11682: > /vas/VXPssw/bin/TcApp > /vas/VXPssw/config/tcApp.cfg /vas/VXPssw/config/ > ----------------- lwp# 41 / thread# 20 > -------------------- > ffffffff7f232f48 ???????? (0, ffffffff7440ab40, 0, > 10040f910, 0, > ffffffff7440a4e0) > ffffffff7f224b18 ???????? (10040a6a8, 1, > ffffffff7440ab40, > ffffffff7440ab40, 100401728, ffffffff7440ab40) > ffffffff7f2251b0 ???????? (10040a6a8, > ffffffff7440ab40, ffffffff7440aa0f, > ffffffff7f1d373c, ffffffff79a07958, ffffffff79b0 > bf18) > ffffffff7f226958 ???????? (10040a6a8, > ffffffff7440ab40, ffffffff7e80c5d8, > 0, ffffffff7bcbf728, 28) > ffffffff7b20eaf0 ???????? (1004026b0, 1, 0, > 1003fba30, 1003f5330, > 10040b860) > 00000001000aad84 ???????? (1003e1740, 1003aa1a0, 0, > 100308e69, 5eb, 0) > 00000001000b36c4 ???????? (1003e1740, 1003aa1a0, > 1003869c0, > ffffffff7440b550, 1077b4, 100413260) > 00000001000a1dd8 ???????? (1003aa1a0, 1003869c0, 0, > 1, 100413178, 0) > 000000010006f094 ???????? (1003aa1c8, 1003869c0, 0, > ffffffff7bd068dc, > 107404, 0) > ffffffff7d907078 ???????? (1003869c0, 100401818, > ffffffff7440b190, > ffffffff7bd068dc, 1077b4, 0) > ffffffff7d90d4d4 ???????? (1003f0520, 1003869c0, 0, > 0, 1, 0) > ffffffff7d906520 ???????? (100401810, 0, 1701ec, > ffffffff7bd068dc, 170b68, > ffffffff7bd068dc) > ffffffff7bb46ab0 ???????? (ffffffff7440b428, > 100413290, 1701ec, > ffffffff7bd068dc, 107404, 0) > ffffffff7bb469d0 ???????? (100413170, 4, > ffffffff7bb4bee0, 14, 1, 0) > ffffffff7bb4818c ???????? (100413170, 100413170, 0, > ffffffff7440b550, 1, > 100413260) > ffffffff7bb47f14 ???????? (100413170, > ffffffff7440b650, 0, 1, 100413178, 0) > ffffffff7bb4d178 ???????? (100413170, 1, 0, 16b67c, > ffffffff7bcb75a0, > ffffffff7440b780) > ffffffff7bb518e8 ???????? (1003f1100, 0, > ffffffff7bb6a2c8, 14, 1, 0) > ffffffff7bb4818c ???????? (1003f1100, 1003f1100, 0, > ffffffff7440b9b0, 1, > 1003f11f0) > ffffffff7bb6a23c ???????? (1003f1100, 0, 0, 0, 0, > 0) > ffffffff7bb6a1d4 ???????? (1003f1100, > ffffffff77305361, 0, 0, 0, 1000) > ffffffff7941f364 _thread_start (1003f1100, 0, 0, 0, > 0, 0) + 40 > > Thanks, > Rajesh > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug ===== ----------------------------------------- Bob Read Exit Code Incorporated cell (510)-703-1634 unixjavabob at yahoo.com ----------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com