From skip at ncseweb.org Fri Apr 2 11:06:34 2004 From: skip at ncseweb.org (Skip Evans) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:06:34 -0800 Subject: [buug] Need help! Message-ID: <406DB9BA.3080605@ncseweb.org> NCSE seems to be under attack, and I know this is going to sound weird, from creationists in Turkey (We tracked in IP address from there). We need a consultant who know security and especially attacks through majordomo. This is an emergency. I'm taking our network off-line so please call on the phone number below if you're available and know network security and attacks through majordomo. -- Skip Evans Network Project Director National Center for Science Education 420 40th St, Suite 2 Oakland, CA 94609 510-601-7203 Ext. 308 510-601-7204 (fax) 800-290-6006 evans at ncseweb.org http://www.ncseweb.org NCSE now has a one way broadcast news list. Please note that this is NOT a discussion list. You cannot post messages for members to receive. We use this list to broadcast news about the creationism/evolution issue to interested parties. To sign up send: subscribe ncse-news your at email.address.here to: majordomo at ncseweb2.org To unsubscribe send: unsubscribe ncse-news your at email.address.here to: majordomo at ncseweb2.org From mp at rawbw.com Sat Apr 3 02:37:40 2004 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 02:37:40 -0800 Subject: [buug] S.F. contract ~6 mo. heavy SMTP/sendmail on Solaris ... Message-ID: <1080988660.406e93f44ef81@webmail.rawbw.com> S.F. contract ~6 mo. heavy SMTP/sendmail on Solaris ... They also want to fill this ASAP - ideally they'd like to have someone in place on Monday - but if that can't happen, I still think they would really like very soon. Why I'm bothering to post this: "inside track": I'm quite familiar with the group/people/environment for this position (worked pretty intensely with them for several months, and less intensely for years, as I became lead in group that took over primary sys. adm. responsibilities for their servers and worked on upgrading and converting them to meet standards of my then group that would be supporting them - of course all while keeping very busy (and semi-frequently pushed-to-its limits) production stuff (which it mostly all was) running quite smoothly the whole while). Anyway, if you have "environment"/people type questions, I could probably say a fair bit about that and such, however, I *am not* the contact for hiring/arranging getting into this contract opportunity. I'm guestimating it could probably be done on 1099 or W-2 basis - the recruiter contact given (I also happen to know her somewhat - via same former employer) could certainly answer that (and other) questions. Anyway, if you want to chat with me about what I know of the environment/folks, etc. might be best to give me a call (it's a listed number in Berkeley - not too hard to find me) ... I might be most reachable this weekend Saturday and Sunday evenings after it's dark out ... other times I'm more likely to be away from the phone (or asleep). Anyway, also, as far as I'm aware, they're a pretty good bunch 'o folks to work with. My guestimates/impression of the "position": Knowing what I know of the group, and guestimating what they're doing or likely to be doing (based on prior experience with them) I'd probably write up "requirements" for the position and description a *bit* differently. Anyway, I'd probably sketch out something *roughly* like this (mostly emphasizing how I'd vary the description). "Requirements:" Strong proven track record (~)"senior" level UNIX sys. adm. experience, preferably Solaris (and Solaris 8 most preferably) or at *least* comparable experience with two or more substantially different UNIX flavors. Experience must include: major critical support of production (e.g. thousands to millions of concurrent users, highly active systems, critical applications on those systems, and generally making necessary fixes/corrections/upgrades without having undue negative consequences to production operations) sendmail - moderate to heavy experience/knowledge SMTP - should know rather to quite well lots of other typical UNIX stuff, etc. ("senior" ... networking, TCP, DNS (at least client and caching servers), patching/installing/upgrading, etc., etc.) Major/significant pluses: significant/great familiarity with 3rd party (and/or Open Source) mail tools/package/software (e.g. anti-spam, anti-malicious code, security and SMTP mail security, etc.) Oh, also, I suspect this also correlates to: http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=1002&dockey=xml/a/1/a1e284ff03dc16024763368d6c689bba at activejobs0&c=1&source=1 but I haven't gotten confirmation of that. If I'm not mistaken, I think/believe rate for W-2 contract employee may be $45/hr. but it's possible I have that incorrect (rate may also vary substantially depending on precise skill/experience and track record). I believe I noted 6 mo. duration based on phone conversation(s). Oh, if you do contact the recruiter if you would mention that you were referred by me (or by my BUUG posting) that would probably be good (and I'd be curious to hear too if anyone lands this opportunity via my mention of it here, and what recruiter's impression of response turns out to be). Anyway, ... recruiter contact and position description, etc.: > Reply-To: > To: > Subject: RE: Wells Contract Position, etc. > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:58:28 -0800 > Message-ID: <000201c418dc$1b3757a0$0f00a8c0 at sheriwin98> > In-Reply-To: <1080871372.406cc9ccad11c at webmail.rawbw.com> > Thanks for all your help. Please post it ASAP, and go ahead and put my home > number on there so they can contact me over the weekend (707) 773-0105. > Sheri Safreno Cellini > Concinnity Group, Inc. > 205 Keller Street, Suite 205 > Petaluma, CA 94952 > * 707-773-1477 > Fax:707-773-4577 > * sheri at concinnitygroup.biz > Reply-To: > To: > Subject: RE: Wells Contract Position > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:38:58 -0800 > Message-ID: <000c01c41781$b8e74200$0f00a8c0 at sheriwin98> > Really great talking with you. I am so bummed that you have another > contract, however that is really great for you and I wish you best of luck. > Below is the job description and current pay rate. If they are really > interested they can contact me tonight at my home up until 10:00pm > 707-773-0105, otherwise they can contact me in the office. > Job Description: > Roll out anti-Spam software to SMTP mail hubs > Assist with creating documentation and training > Essential skills: > Experience with Unix, SunOS, Solaris 8 plus > Experience with SMTP sendmail > Experience with large, complex environments of over 100,000 users > Effective written and verbal communication skills > Ability to problem-solve, work well independently and with others and > patience Ability to work well in fast pace, stressful environment > Pay Rate: > PC LAN Engineer $45 / Hr And (not exactly in reverse chronologic order), more 'bout this posting itself: http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2003-August/002070.html < Message-ID: <1080793355.406b990ba71f6 at webmail.rawbw.com> < Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:22:35 -0800 < Reply-to: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu < To: sheri at concinnitygroup.biz < Cc: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu < Subject: RE: Wells Contract Position, etc. < The list isn't specifically job/employment position(s) wanted/available < stuff, and generally isn't to be used for such postings - notable < general exception is "inside track" stuff (unposted/unadvertised < positions, very familiar with the environment/people (work/worked there < or closely with them, hiring manager/supervisor for the opening, etc.)) < ... and preferably brief (like very short synopsis and link to more < details and/or inclusion of contact information). -- Michael Paoli Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu From john at jjdev.com Mon Apr 5 13:40:06 2004 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:40:06 -0700 Subject: [buug] SATA vs IDE Message-ID: <20040405204006.GA3341@stang.jjdev.com> I am buying a new box for my home computer. I am trying to decide if I should get a SATA hard drive or IDE. I don't really need super high performance for anything. I don't want to have any problems or jump through any hoops. Anyone here know of a motherboard/SATA drive combo that will work fine with Linux (2.6) or should I just get a IDE system? any feed back appreciated -- I'd rather have a gun and never need it, than need one... and never have it. From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Apr 5 14:31:12 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:31:12 -0700 Subject: [buug] SATA vs IDE In-Reply-To: <20040405204006.GA3341@stang.jjdev.com> References: <20040405204006.GA3341@stang.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <20040405213112.GA22228@linuxmafia.com> Quoting johnd (john at jjdev.com): > I am buying a new box for my home computer. I am trying to decide if I should > get a SATA hard drive or IDE. This might help: "Serial ATA" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Hardware . -- Cheers, "This is Unix. Stop acting so helpless." Rick Moen -- D.J. Bernstein rick at linuxmafia.com From john at jjdev.com Tue Apr 6 23:23:41 2004 From: john at jjdev.com (John de la Garza) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:23:41 -0700 Subject: [buug] dvi Message-ID: <1CEB86CA-885C-11D8-803B-000393CB11D4@jjdev.com> I just got a new DVI video card. It is a ati radeon. It has plugs for vga, dvi, and s video. When I hook up my dvi monitor nothing happens when I boot the box. Should I see something when the box is booting? From what I know the boot messages and stuff are vga console stuff. If I hook up a vga monitor it works fine. If I hook up the dvi monitor and turn the box on, the monitor blinks and just stays black, at that point if I hook up the vga monitor it wont come on. Is there something special I need to do to use my dvi monitor with linux? From john at jjdev.com Thu Apr 8 15:36:32 2004 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:36:32 -0700 Subject: [buug] apple cinema disp Message-ID: <20040408223632.GA572@stang.jjdev.com> anyone ever get a apple cinema display to work with linux on a pc? -- I'd rather have a gun and never need it, than need one... and never have it. From itz at buug.org Sun Apr 11 08:32:04 2004 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 11 Apr 2004 08:32:04 -0700 Subject: [buug] old parts Message-ID: <87lll2sf7v.fsf@buug.org> http://www.craigslist.org/sys/28522546.html To BUUG members, available for a latte or pastry. But an IDE disc still preferred :-) -- Nothing can be explained to a stone. Or to a stoned person, either. From mp at rawbw.com Sat Apr 17 01:05:21 2004 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:05:21 -0700 Subject: [buug] Bigger pointer / mouse cursor in KDE ... Message-ID: <1082189121.4080e54128f1a@webmail.rawbw.com> Question was brought up at the BUUG meeting about configuring a larger / more visible mouse cursor in KDE ... Perhaps there's some nice easy way to do that in KDE (I haven't explicitly looked into that) ... but, within the recesses of my memory, I recalled reading something about changing pointer in X11 (generically, standard X11 tool(s), not the snazzy replace your pointer with something cute and/or animated type stuff) ... didn't recall the utility(/ies) off the top of my head, but quick peek at ye olde O'Reilly & Associates _X User Tools_ (First Edition, October 1994 - I'm pretty sure I got that copy in 1995) ... "6.14 Changing the Root Window Pointer" ... "You can change the shape of the root window pointer to one of the standard X cursor shapes or to any bitmap, using these options: -cursor_name standard_cursor_name -cursor cursorfile maskfile The first option allows you to set the root window pointer to one of the stan- dard cursor symbols. To view these symbols, you can display the cursor font using xfd, the X font displayer: xfd -fn cursor & The file cursorfont.h (generally found in the directory /usr/include/X11) lists the names that correspond to the characters in the cursor font. To specify a standard cursor on a command line or in a resource file, strip the XC_ prefix from the name. Thus, to set the root window pointer to the pirate cursor sym- bol (a skull and crossbones!), you would enter % xsetroot -cursor_name pirate The second xsetroot option: -cursor cursorfile maskfile allows you to set the root pointer to a bitmap, perhaps one you cre- ate. The parameters cursorfile and maskfile are bitmaps. The cursorfile is the bitmap used for the pointer shape. In effect, the maskfile is placed behind the cursorfile bitmap to set it off from the root window. For the cursorfile, you can use any of the standard bitmaps (generally found in /usr/include/X11/bitmaps) or you can create a bitmap of your own using the bitmap editor (22.03). Every standard cursor has an associated mask, which appears next to it when you display the cursor font. If you are using your own bitmaps as the cursor- file, you need to create a maskfile (22.12) to go with it. Once you have the components of the cursor, a bitmap, and makefile, you can specify it as the new pointer symbol. Here we have a cat cursor: % xsetroot -cursor cat cat.mask " Anyway, ... pretty good book, but probably rather dated at this point, and out of print ... too bad there isn't a relatively current, updated, in-print edition. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/xtools/ Back in 1995, when I found myself thrust into an environment that was pretty heavy in X11, and when I'd had just about zero X11 exposure prior to that, I certainly found it a pretty good introduction, reference and starting point for X11 orientation and use. From john at jjdev.com Tue Apr 20 10:44:03 2004 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:44:03 -0700 Subject: [buug] dhcp Message-ID: <20040420174403.GB27584@stang.jjdev.com> I have one nic with two ips the first one has an ip... can I get a ip for eth0:1 with dhcp? I try dhcpcd eth0:1 with no luch... I tried doing a ifconfig eth0:1 first then ran dhcpcd for eth0:1 and it didn't work -- I'd rather have a gun and never need it, than need one... and never have it. From jan at caustic.org Tue Apr 20 13:01:06 2004 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] dhcp In-Reply-To: <20040420174403.GB27584@stang.jjdev.com> References: <20040420174403.GB27584@stang.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <20040420130020.B48874@pogo.caustic.org> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, johnd wrote: > can I get a ip for eth0:1 with dhcp? > > I try > dhcpcd eth0:1 try "dhclient" it probably will not work for IP aliases, though. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 From unixjavabob at yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 13:35:51 2004 From: unixjavabob at yahoo.com (Bob Read) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] dhcp In-Reply-To: <20040420130020.B48874@pogo.caustic.org> Message-ID: <20040420203551.26024.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Why do you need two random IPs on the same interface on the same subnet? --- "f.johan.beisser" wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, johnd wrote: > > > can I get a ip for eth0:1 with dhcp? > > > > I try > > dhcpcd eth0:1 > > try "dhclient" > > it probably will not work for IP aliases, though. > > -------/ f. johan beisser > /--------------------------------------+ > The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim > Bouton > what he thought of our great victory over > Iraq, and he > said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." > -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug ===== ----------------------------------------- Bob Read Exit Code Incorporated cell (510)-703-1634 unixjavabob at yahoo.com ----------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From john at jjdev.com Tue Apr 20 14:07:08 2004 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:07:08 -0700 Subject: [buug] dhcp In-Reply-To: <20040420203551.26024.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040420130020.B48874@pogo.caustic.org> <20040420203551.26024.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040420210708.GB28323@stang.jjdev.com> Virtual hosts for apache On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:35:51PM -0700, Bob Read wrote: > Why do you need two random IPs on the same interface > on the same subnet? > > > --- "f.johan.beisser" wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, johnd wrote: > > > > > can I get a ip for eth0:1 with dhcp? > > > > > > I try > > > dhcpcd eth0:1 > > > > try "dhclient" > > > > it probably will not work for IP aliases, though. > > > > -------/ f. johan beisser > > /--------------------------------------+ > > The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim > > Bouton > > what he thought of our great victory over > > Iraq, and he > > said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." > > -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 > > _______________________________________________ > > Buug mailing list > > Buug at weak.org > > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > > ===== > ----------------------------------------- > Bob Read > Exit Code Incorporated > cell (510)-703-1634 > unixjavabob at yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash -- I'd rather have a gun and never need it, than need one... and never have it. From john at jjdev.com Tue Apr 20 14:16:34 2004 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:16:34 -0700 Subject: [buug] dhcp In-Reply-To: <20040420130020.B48874@pogo.caustic.org> References: <20040420174403.GB27584@stang.jjdev.com> <20040420130020.B48874@pogo.caustic.org> Message-ID: <20040420211634.GC28323@stang.jjdev.com> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:01:06PM -0700, f.johan.beisser wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, johnd wrote: > > > can I get a ip for eth0:1 with dhcp? > > > > I try > > dhcpcd eth0:1 > > try "dhclient" > > it probably will not work for IP aliases, though. yea, was asking about doing this with IP aliases... I've since found out (as far as I know) that I can't do this because dhcp servers need unique MAC addresses From unixjavabob at yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 14:22:45 2004 From: unixjavabob at yahoo.com (Bob Read) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] dhcp In-Reply-To: <20040420210708.GB28323@stang.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <20040420212245.34011.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Why not use static IPs then? Otherwise, how are you going to configure httpd.conf (or DNS for that matter)? Bob --- johnd wrote: > Virtual hosts for apache > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:35:51PM -0700, Bob Read > wrote: > > Why do you need two random IPs on the same > interface > > on the same subnet? > > > > > > --- "f.johan.beisser" wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, johnd wrote: > > > > > > > can I get a ip for eth0:1 with dhcp? > > > > > > > > I try > > > > dhcpcd eth0:1 > > > > > > try "dhclient" > > > > > > it probably will not work for IP aliases, > though. > > > > > > -------/ f. johan beisser > > > /--------------------------------------+ > > > The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher > Jim > > > Bouton > > > what he thought of our great victory > over > > > Iraq, and he > > > said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." > > > -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Buug mailing list > > > Buug at weak.org > > > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > > > > > ===== > > ----------------------------------------- > > Bob Read > > Exit Code Incorporated > > cell (510)-703-1634 > > unixjavabob at yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for > 25? > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > > -- > I'd rather have a gun and never need it, than need > one... and never have it. > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug ===== ----------------------------------------- Bob Read Exit Code Incorporated cell (510)-703-1634 unixjavabob at yahoo.com ----------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash From jan at caustic.org Tue Apr 20 14:27:55 2004 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] dhcp In-Reply-To: <20040420211634.GC28323@stang.jjdev.com> References: <20040420174403.GB27584@stang.jjdev.com> <20040420130020.B48874@pogo.caustic.org> <20040420211634.GC28323@stang.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <20040420142707.I48874@pogo.caustic.org> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, johnd wrote: > yea, was asking about doing this with IP aliases... > I've since found out (as far as I know) that I can't do this because dhcp > servers need unique MAC addresses yes. that's one problem. you CAN configure some dhcpd to issue two addresses to the same host. the client may not support it though. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 From jan at caustic.org Tue Apr 20 14:30:20 2004 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] dhcp In-Reply-To: <20040420212245.34011.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040420212245.34011.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040420142808.Y48874@pogo.caustic.org> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Bob Read wrote: > Why not use static IPs then? > Otherwise, how are you going to configure httpd.conf > (or DNS for that matter)? host name based virtual hosts don't need IP addresses to be bound to. it's part of the http spec to enable them just on name resolution. BUT, apache throws a fit if it can't resolve the hostname it is supposed to have as a virtual host in this case. i generally advocate host name based virtual hosts. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 From john at jjdev.com Tue Apr 20 15:19:17 2004 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:19:17 -0700 Subject: [buug] dhcp In-Reply-To: <20040420212245.34011.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040420210708.GB28323@stang.jjdev.com> <20040420212245.34011.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040420221917.GA28678@stang.jjdev.com> it's just for a testing system to get a static IP I'd have to request it and go the a semi-formal approach. to get a dhcp ip, I'd just type a command I was just hoping to quickly and simply get a ip then set up the conf file and use it for a while The ip wouldn't change (I've had my desktop's dhcp ip for 4 months) and if it did I would just change a small conf file that I probably would already have open in an editor I'm was trying to keep things really simple for a really simple test... On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 02:22:45PM -0700, Bob Read wrote: > Why not use static IPs then? > Otherwise, how are you going to configure httpd.conf > (or DNS for that matter)? > > Bob > > --- johnd wrote: > > Virtual hosts for apache > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:35:51PM -0700, Bob Read > > wrote: > > > Why do you need two random IPs on the same > > interface > > > on the same subnet? > > > > > > > > > --- "f.johan.beisser" wrote: > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, johnd wrote: > > > > > > > > > can I get a ip for eth0:1 with dhcp? > > > > > > > > > > I try > > > > > dhcpcd eth0:1 > > > > > > > > try "dhclient" > > > > > > > > it probably will not work for IP aliases, > > though. > > > > > > > > -------/ f. johan beisser > > > > /--------------------------------------+ > > > > The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher > > Jim > > > > Bouton > > > > what he thought of our great victory > > over > > > > Iraq, and he > > > > said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." > > > > -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Buug mailing list > > > > Buug at weak.org > > > > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Bob Read > > > Exit Code Incorporated > > > cell (510)-703-1634 > > > unixjavabob at yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for > > 25? > > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > > > > -- > > I'd rather have a gun and never need it, than need > > one... and never have it. > > _______________________________________________ > > Buug mailing list > > Buug at weak.org > > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > > ===== > ----------------------------------------- > Bob Read > Exit Code Incorporated > cell (510)-703-1634 > unixjavabob at yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25? > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash -- I'd rather have a gun and never need it, than need one... and never have it. From john at jjdev.com Tue Apr 20 15:21:23 2004 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:21:23 -0700 Subject: [buug] dhcp In-Reply-To: <20040420142808.Y48874@pogo.caustic.org> References: <20040420212245.34011.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> <20040420142808.Y48874@pogo.caustic.org> Message-ID: <20040420222123.GB28678@stang.jjdev.com> yea, but I'm not doing name based virtual hosts or I would have not been trying to get an ip in the first place it uses ssl and needs an ip our dhcp servers lets you get an ip and give a name to resolve with On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 02:30:20PM -0700, f.johan.beisser wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Bob Read wrote: > > > Why not use static IPs then? > > Otherwise, how are you going to configure httpd.conf > > (or DNS for that matter)? > > host name based virtual hosts don't need IP addresses to be bound to. it's > part of the http spec to enable them just on name resolution. > > BUT, apache throws a fit if it can't resolve the hostname it is supposed > to have as a virtual host in this case. > > i generally advocate host name based virtual hosts. > > -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ > The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton > what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he > said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." > -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 -- I'd rather have a gun and never need it, than need one... and never have it. From jan at caustic.org Tue Apr 20 16:58:42 2004 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] dhcp In-Reply-To: <20040420221917.GA28678@stang.jjdev.com> References: <20040420210708.GB28323@stang.jjdev.com> <20040420212245.34011.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> <20040420221917.GA28678@stang.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <20040420165343.B48874@pogo.caustic.org> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, johnd wrote: > it's just for a testing system > to get a static IP I'd have to request it and go the a semi-formal approach. > to get a dhcp ip, I'd just type a command ahh. see, this leads to problems. set up an RFC 1918 network on a dumb switch or hub. that way you have as many addresses as you want, and don't have to rely on your works network. be sure to separate your network from the "real" network. costs you little, and you now have a personal testing lab. voila. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 From jan at caustic.org Tue Apr 20 17:00:41 2004 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] dhcp In-Reply-To: <20040420222123.GB28678@stang.jjdev.com> References: <20040420212245.34011.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> <20040420142808.Y48874@pogo.caustic.org> <20040420222123.GB28678@stang.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <20040420165907.X48874@pogo.caustic.org> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, johnd wrote: > yea, but I'm not doing name based virtual hosts or I would have not been > trying to get an ip in the first place ah. > it uses ssl and needs an ip > our dhcp servers lets you get an ip and give a name to resolve with the hard part with this is that you can run this all secluded. honestly, let me suggest that you DO run it secluded before you finish setting it all up "live." -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 From john at jjdev.com Tue Apr 20 17:00:22 2004 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:00:22 -0700 Subject: [buug] dhcp In-Reply-To: <20040420165907.X48874@pogo.caustic.org> References: <20040420212245.34011.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> <20040420142808.Y48874@pogo.caustic.org> <20040420222123.GB28678@stang.jjdev.com> <20040420165907.X48874@pogo.caustic.org> Message-ID: <20040421000022.GB29066@stang.jjdev.com> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 05:00:41PM -0700, f.johan.beisser wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, johnd wrote: > > the hard part with this is that you can run this all secluded. honestly, > let me suggest that you DO run it secluded before you finish setting it > all up "live." it is far from live, it's just a prototype system on a protected lan that we use for development when it is 'ready' we move it to a stagging area, then to production From mp at rawbw.com Sat Apr 24 13:10:12 2004 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:10:12 -0700 Subject: [buug] reference card: UNIX, LINUX, Debian GNU/Linux Message-ID: <1082837412.408ac9a48448c@webmail.rawbw.com> For those that may not have seen it in Debian Weekly News[1], this resource[24] was announced, which may be quite handy, particularly for those new to Debian GNU/Linux, LINUX or UNIX(/BSD, etc.) (in that order of decreasing specificity), or looking to pass along such materials/information. From the 2004-04-20 issue[2] of Debian Weekly News[1], we have: " Debian GNU/Linux Reference Card. Wolfgang Borgert [23]announced a Debian reference [24]card he was working on. He asked interested people to check the card and report problems to him. The card contains information for people, who either are new to Debian or are new to any Unix-like system. 23. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0404/msg01219.html 24. http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ " References: 1. http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ 2. http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2004/16/ 23. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0404/msg01219.html 24. http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ From brian at planetshwoop.com Sun Apr 25 18:11:08 2004 From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:11:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [buug] connectivity issues w/ NT and FreeBSD running at same time Message-ID: Hi - I'm experiencing a number of issues when I try to run my WinNT machine and my FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE box at the same time. Here's my network setup: DSL Modem DLink Wireless Router - 192.168.0.1 (default gw) 192.168.0.2 - DLink DWL G810 Wireless Bridge (192.168.0.2) 192.168.0.4 - FreeBSD 4.9 -STABLE 192.168.0.6 - WinNT4 The BSD box and the NT box are connected to a Netgear FS105 switch. So is the bridge. The NT machine has an older bus and runs at 10Mbs-half duplex (it has to - it's an ISA card). The bridge and the BSD box run at 100Mbs-full duplex. If I run the Windows machine OR the BSD machine, it works fine. If I run them both at the same time I start to get connectivity issues. I get lots of timeouts when browsing the Internet with some occasional successes, but not many. When I ping Nt (.6) -> BSD (.4) it works fine. Same with reverse. When I ping NT or BSD -> wireless bridge (.2), it works fine. Once every, say, two minutes one ping is dropped and next takes 3 secs to resolve, but it otherwise works fine. It's when I ping from NT or BSD (with both running) to the default gateway then I get tons of drops. Barely anything gets through, and when I've left it running I lose lots of packets - over 70%. Since the problem seems to be running both machines at the same time, I suspect there's a problem with the duplexing? I've tried modifying rc.conf to automatically go half-duplex at startup and it caused the interface to not work at all. Even though the 100 full-duplex was auto-sensed, I couldn't actually send any packets over the interface. It kept coming back with "no route to host". Help, please?!? My best guess is that there's an issue somewhere with the duplexing since it only seems to happen when both machines are running. (I'm assuming a wireless bridge should be able to handle traffic from two machines at once - a false assumption?) Any recommendations? thanks, brian From itz at buug.org Sun Apr 25 23:43:52 2004 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 25 Apr 2004 23:43:52 -0700 Subject: [buug] connectivity issues w/ NT and FreeBSD running at same time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87r7ub6xxz.fsf@buug.org> Brian> The BSD box and the NT box are connected to a Netgear FS105 Brian> switch. So is the bridge. The NT machine has an older bus and Brian> runs at 10Mbs-half duplex (it has to - it's an ISA card). The Brian> bridge and the BSD box run at 100Mbs-full duplex. The bridge probably provides a configuration and diagnostic interface on port 80. You could look at the page(s) and see if that tells you anything, and you could post what you saw. If you have a GNU/Linux or BSD laptop with a wireless card and an ethernet card (I could loan you the latter at the next meeting), you could temporarily put it in the place of the bridge, and do all possible logging. Sorry I can't help more, Ian -- Nothing can be explained to a stone. Or to a stoned person, either. From wfhoney at pacbell.net Mon Apr 26 10:07:21 2004 From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Bill Honeycutt) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:07:21 -0700 Subject: [buug] connectivity issues w/ NT and FreeBSD running at same time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408D41C9.80905@pacbell.net> Brian Sobolak wrote: > > My best guess is that there's an issue somewhere with the duplexing since > it only seems to happen when both machines are running. (I'm assuming a > wireless bridge should be able to handle traffic from two machines at once > - a false assumption?) > > Any recommendations? Though it's a pain in the rear, I'd suggest testing using the lowest common denominator. Reconfigure your 100Mps card to use identical settings when compared to the ISA 10Mps...both half duplex, both 10Mps. Does the configuration degrade the network? The reason I suggest this goes back to my experience trying to mix speed and duplex settings on the same collision domain. Hardware is *SUPPOSED* to coexists peacefully on the same collision domain, but often different NIC's won't coexist (different implementations of the RFC's). Lot's of nasty things can happen. Hope this helps somewhat.