From webmaster at hawaiidakine.com  Wed Dec  1 14:00:28 2004
From: webmaster at hawaiidakine.com (webmaster at hawaiidakine.com)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:00:28 -1000
Subject: [buug] Window Manager missing
Message-ID: <41AE3EFC.1040304@hawaiidakine.com>

Hi Gurus,

I am trying out FreeBSD 5.3 on an box which seems to run fine except 
that the X does not load the screen for ( xfce ) the window manager I 
use on all my FreeBSD 4.x boxes.

init files seem to be there, but I just get a black screen with a mouse 
arrow and a left click brings up a small window with selections 
including a way to quit.

Anybody have this or a similar problem installing X windows on FreeBSD 5.3.

Thanks for help.

Al Plant -Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com
Supporting Open Source in computing with FreeBSD 4.9
"Failure only happens when you stop trying." - Omar Periu




From jammer at weak.org  Wed Dec  1 14:51:33 2004
From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:51:33 -0800
Subject: [buug] Window Manager missing
In-Reply-To: <41AE3EFC.1040304@hawaiidakine.com>
References: <41AE3EFC.1040304@hawaiidakine.com>
Message-ID: <20041201225133.GL697@weak.org>

On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 12:00:28PM -1000, webmaster at hawaiidakine.com wrote:
> I am trying out FreeBSD 5.3 on an box which seems to run fine except 
> that the X does not load the screen for ( xfce ) the window manager I 
> use on all my FreeBSD 4.x boxes.
> 
> init files seem to be there, but I just get a black screen with a mouse 
> arrow and a left click brings up a small window with selections 
> including a way to quit.
> 
> Anybody have this or a similar problem installing X windows on FreeBSD 5.3.

Sounds like it's starting up a different window manager (maybe TWM?)
than the one you're expecting...

-Jon


From brian at planetshwoop.com  Mon Dec  6 10:17:09 2004
From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:17:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [buug] FreeSBIE 1.1 Release Announcement
Message-ID: <45855.63.73.213.5.1102357029.squirrel@webmail.psys.org>


I know there are at least a few BUUG BSD users.  This came through chat@
and sounds interesting.  Has anyone tried it yet?

brian

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: FreeSBIE 1.1 Release Announcement
From:    "Dario Freni" <saturnero at freesbie.org>
Date:    Mon, December 6, 2004 7:54
To:      freesbie at gufi.org
Cc:      chat at freebsd.org
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

It's our honour and pleasure to announce FreeSBIE 1.1, a LiveCD based on
FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE.
Some of the innovations since 1.0 include:

- A renewed series of scripts to support power users in the use of
  FreeSBIE 1.1.
- An installer to let users install FreeSBIE 1.1 on their hard drives,
  thus having a powerful operating system such as FreeBSD, but with all
the personalizations FreeSBIE 1.1 carries.
- The presence of the best open source software, chosen and
  personalized, such as X.Org 6.7, XFCE 4.2RC1, Firefox 1.0 and
  Thunderbird 0.9.2.

Moreover, many bugs were solved thanks also to the help of numerous beta
testers which we are honoured to thank.
 For more information about FreeSBIE, visit the website:
http://www.FreeSBIE.org


Mission

FreeSBIE 1.1 was created from the omonimous toolkit to offer users a tool
whose uses range from networking activities, to multimedia, to disaster
recovery.
  The real limit FreeSBIE suffers from is user's fantasy, who will be
able to appreciate its flexibility for many uses.


Included software

Along with FreeSBIE is distributed a complete and heterogenous
collection of the best open source software now available, making it the
ideal tool for the student, the teacher, the network administrator, the
computer addicted, the scheptical, the curious and also the newbie taking
a first approach to FreeBSD 5.3.
  For a complete list of the included software, please consult:

http://www.freesbie.org/doc/1.1/FreeSBIE-1.1-i386.pkg_info.txt


Innovations

The most interesting innovation in FreeSBIE 1.1 is represented by
the presence of the installer supplied by the DragonFlyBSD Installer Team
(http://www.bsdinstaller.org), which will let users install
FreeSBIE 1.1 on their hard drive.
 A help system was also created to help newcomers become familiar with
FreeSBIE 1.1, and to let them know the tools it provides.

FreeSBIE 1.1 comes with 2 Desktop Environments (apart from the
well-known shell) to satisfy the needs of those who want a lightweight
desktop environment, and those who want a complete one.


Acknowledgments

We would like to thank all the people who contributed to the creation of
FreeSBIE.

First of all, we would like to thank those who will inevitably be
forgotten, whose help we will never forget.
  Our special thanks go to the FreeBSD core team, and to those who orbit
around it: without you we wouldn't look at the world from obscure
little windows nowadays.

  We cannot forget to thank the DargonFlyBSD Installer Team, to whom
we promised to try DargonFlyBSD sooner or later: ok, we'll do it, as long
as you stop talking about KDE. ;-)


Availability

FreeSBIE 1.1 can be downloaded from one of the mirrors listed on the website:

http://www.freesbie.org/?section=download-en
and on:
http://mirrors.freesbie.org/

or using a BitTorrent client:
http://torrent.freesbie.org/FreeSBIE-1.1-i386.torrent


MD5 checksum of the CD image:

MD5 (FreeSBIE-1.1-i386.iso) = 61e6433b8ace7c83cee281b731e73f1c

_WARNING_: Check the md5 of the mirror you are downloading from.
Given the recent Security Advisory, the iso was updated recently.
Thus, it is possible that some mirrors still haven't updated to the most
recent image file available.

Have fun with FreeSBIE,
the project team



--
Brian Sobolak
http://www.planetshwoop.com/
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From ajayk at jopasana.com  Mon Dec 13 06:07:37 2004
From: ajayk at jopasana.com (Ajay Kolambekar)
Date: 13 Dec 2004 19:37:37 +0530
Subject: [buug] Need help
Message-ID: <1102946856.2360.19.camel@RMTEST>


Hi ,

I have a problem while using Signals in multi-threaded application.
The problem is with handling SIGALRM in case of multiple threads,
The information that I got from net says, that the signal (SIGALRM) get
sent to the process and not to the thread !!. Process decides to which
thread the signal is to be sent. (This decision has to be made when more
than one thread is ready to handle the signal.)
The problem with this I see is one can not control the thread on which
the signal handler will run !!!!. 

Waiting for your reply,

Regards,
Ajay



From nickmdf at tsoft.com  Thu Dec 16 14:59:59 2004
From: nickmdf at tsoft.com (Nick Sophinos)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:59:59 -0800
Subject: [buug] Meeting Tonight - Need help with kernel patch
Message-ID: <1103237999.3593.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello Everyone,

I have not been to a BUUG meeting in a while but tonight I have the
opportunity to go.

I have a Dell D600 in which I have Fedora Core 3 installed.
Most everything is working but I still need to patch the kernel in 
order to get the S3 suspend state to work, as prescribed in this
web page:

http://www.loria.fr/~thome/d600/#build

Anyhow, I know this is an easy thing but have not done this before
and would greatly appreciate someone lending me their intellectual
training wheels as I attempted this tonight.

Any thoughts?

- Nick 



From itz at buug.org  Tue Dec 21 22:30:45 2004
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: 21 Dec 2004 22:30:45 -0800
Subject: [buug] "record" mp3/ogg?
Message-ID: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org>


Hi, I'm a rank beginner with digital sound, hence this question.
There seem to be plenty of programs to "rip" tracks from a CD,
save them in the lossy format of the day, and maybe reassemble
them for burning on another CD.  But I want to create files
from external source - really, whatever the sound card happens
to play.  That's because I'd like to retire my stereo, but only
after converting the really valuable LPs and tapes.  After
a very short search I have not found any way to do that.

Maybe I am asking the wrong question?  If so I'm sure Rick
will correct that :-)

-- 
"It's not true or not."  A reality show producer (real quote)


From bferrell at baywinds.org  Tue Dec 21 23:13:33 2004
From: bferrell at baywinds.org (Bruce Ferrell)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:13:33 -0800
Subject: [buug] "record" mp3/ogg?
In-Reply-To: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org>
References: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org>
Message-ID: <41C91E9D.2000709@baywinds.org>

Ian,

I'm assuming you're using a linux-like platform.  I needed to do 
something like this a few weeks back.  I didn't find anything to go 
direct to mp3/ogg but I did find something to go to wave and then from 
there to mp3/ogg

http://www.xenoclast.org/vsound/

Is the sound card to wave tool I used and

notlame is what I used to encode.  I won't bother with that link, but 
vsound was not easy to find.

Good luck!


Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> Hi, I'm a rank beginner with digital sound, hence this question.
> There seem to be plenty of programs to "rip" tracks from a CD,
> save them in the lossy format of the day, and maybe reassemble
> them for burning on another CD.  But I want to create files
> from external source - really, whatever the sound card happens
> to play.  That's because I'd like to retire my stereo, but only
> after converting the really valuable LPs and tapes.  After
> a very short search I have not found any way to do that.
> 
> Maybe I am asking the wrong question?  If so I'm sure Rick
> will correct that :-)
> 


From rick at linuxmafia.com  Tue Dec 21 23:38:59 2004
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:38:59 -0800
Subject: [buug] "record" mp3/ogg?
In-Reply-To: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org>
References: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20041222073859.GE22615@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Ian Zimmerman (itz at buug.org):

> Hi, I'm a rank beginner with digital sound, hence this question.
> There seem to be plenty of programs to "rip" tracks from a CD,
> save them in the lossy format of the day, and maybe reassemble
> them for burning on another CD.  But I want to create files
> from external source - really, whatever the sound card happens
> to play.  That's because I'd like to retire my stereo, but only
> after converting the really valuable LPs and tapes.  After
> a very short search I have not found any way to do that.
> 
> Maybe I am asking the wrong question?  If so I'm sure Rick
> will correct that :-)

Since you didn't have much luck with picking something to _record_
sound files, I tried a Google search on "capture sound Linux".  

First of all, it appears that MP3 encoding utilities like BladeEnc
accept stdin, so you should be able to read directly from a sound device
file, as specified on the command line.  That seems like the most
straight-forward way, off the top of my head.

There's also a sound-capture client for the relatively obscure sound
server named JACK (or JACKit), detailed here:
http://desktops.linux.com/desktops/04/08/09/1513255.shtml?tid=25

This thread...
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/261684
...suggests you should be able to use KRecord or audicity directly for
the purpose you have in mind.  Consensus seems to favour audicity.

This article...
http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/20/1423245
...says to use something called "ecasound" to do the capture from
/dev/dsp, and then audicity to clean it up (if necessary).

There's a Freshmeat category with a mere 130 entries in it:
http://freshmeat.net/browse/115/

'Hope that helps.  (I'd not gotten around to considering this problem
before.)

-- 
Cheers,                    I've been suffering death by PowerPoint, recently.
Rick Moen                                                     -- Huw Davies
rick at linuxmafia.com  


From xtifr at debian.org  Tue Dec 21 23:48:03 2004
From: xtifr at debian.org (Chris Waters)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:48:03 -0800
Subject: [buug] "record" mp3/ogg?
In-Reply-To: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org>
References: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20041222074803.GA6260@starless.xtnet>

On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:30:45PM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote:

> But I want to create files from external source - really, whatever
> the sound card happens to play.  That's because I'd like to retire
> my stereo, but only after converting the really valuable LPs and
> tapes.

Very easy.  Just about any sound editing tool will allow you to record
from your sound card's line-in.  However, there's a program
specifically designed for what you're trying to do:  gramofile.

http://panic.et.tudelft.nl/~costar/gramofile/

Or, if you're running Debian, "apt-get install gramofile". :)

Also, I have to say, if you're really planning to dump your LPs and
tapes, you might want to make lossless archives of the music (or, at
least, the more valuable, less easily replaceable bits) compressed
with FLAC instead of ogg or mp3.  Make oggs too, for playing, but
keep archives of the FLAC files on CDR or other backup medium.  Then,
if you ever want to transcode to a newer or better format, you'll
still have the pristine originals around.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/

-- 
Chris Waters           |  Pneumonoultra-        osis is too long
xtifr at debian.org       |  microscopicsilico-    to fit into a single
or xtifr at speakeasy.net |  volcaniconi-          standalone haiku


From wallachd at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 22 18:51:44 2004
From: wallachd at earthlink.net (Darlene Wallach)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:51:44 -0800
Subject: [buug] "record" mp3/ogg?
In-Reply-To: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org>
References: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org>
Message-ID: <41CA32C0.5060806@earthlink.net>

Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> Hi, I'm a rank beginner with digital sound, hence this question.
> There seem to be plenty of programs to "rip" tracks from a CD,
> save them in the lossy format of the day, and maybe reassemble
> them for burning on another CD.  But I want to create files
> from external source - really, whatever the sound card happens
> to play.  That's because I'd like to retire my stereo, but only
> after converting the really valuable LPs and tapes.  After
> a very short search I have not found any way to do that.
> 
> Maybe I am asking the wrong question?  If so I'm sure Rick
> will correct that :-)
> 

I actually have a question not a solution.

By LPs am I correct in assuming vinyl records?
How long does the quality of the LPs last in
regards to quality of sound?
Is there any statistics or information on digital
storage and how long that lasts in regards to
quality of sound?

Just curious.

Darlene



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Wed Dec 22 20:22:48 2004
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:22:48 -0800
Subject: [buug] "record" mp3/ogg?
In-Reply-To: <41CA32C0.5060806@earthlink.net>
References: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org> <41CA32C0.5060806@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20041223042248.GD14495@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Darlene Wallach (wallachd at earthlink.net):

> By LPs am I correct in assuming vinyl records?
> How long does the quality of the LPs last in
> regards to quality of sound?

(Observation:  This isn't really a computer/software question.  You're
probably not asking this in quite the right forum.)

This sort of divides into two cases:

1.  How long does an _unplayed_ LP's sound quality last?
2.  How long does an LP's sound quality last with ordinary usage?

As to the first case:  Not really sure.  If not exposed to sunshine,
heat, and other abuse, it might well last centures, depending on the
material used for the media.  Early 78 RPM records (which are not LPs,
but I thought I'd mention them) were on shellac, and have held up
extremely well.  So have lightly used (and unused) LPs on polyvinyl
chloride, which is was used for all such recordings from the late 1940s
onwards.

I have a number of good-condition Mercury Living Presence and RCA
classical LPs from those years (1940s-50s), and, but for clicks and pops
resulting from dirt and the grooves and a certain amount of stylus wear,
they're exceptionally good.  Sensational, in fact, and famously so.

As to the second case:  In ordinary usage, most LPs tended to get badly
damaged by worn styluses and really crummy players, not to mention dirty
and sometimes warped by heat.  

> Is there any statistics or information on digital storage and how long
> that lasts in regards to quality of sound?

Digital storage _can_ in theory be essentially perfect indefinitely.
In practice, there can be lossage during transfers of various sorts.
Of course, also media can deteriorate.  

The information on media that I know best related to CDRs used for data
storage.  The best advice seems to be that most such discs are believed
reliable (if properly stored, not significantly scratched or dirtied,
etc.) for at least a couple of decades.  Commercially pressed CDs, which
use different media, are expected to have much longer lives than that.




From itz at buug.org  Thu Dec 23 22:41:44 2004
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: 23 Dec 2004 22:41:44 -0800
Subject: [buug] Early summary [Was: "record" mp3/ogg?]
In-Reply-To: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org>
References: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org>
Message-ID: <87hdmctcyf.fsf@buug.org>


Ian> Hi, I'm a rank beginner with digital sound, hence this question.
Ian> There seem to be plenty of programs to "rip" tracks from a CD, save
Ian> them in the lossy format of the day, and maybe reassemble them for
Ian> burning on another CD.  But I want to create files from external
Ian> source - really, whatever the sound card happens to play.  That's
Ian> because I'd like to retire my stereo, but only after converting the
Ian> really valuable LPs and tapes.  After a very short search I have
Ian> not found any way to do that.

A quick run down the list of people's suggestions.

1/ I was unaware that general-purpose audio file editors like audacity
can record line-in.  It certainly seems to contradict the "one job well"
maxim, but I guess we've come a long way (toward hell, that is).

Had I known, I probably wouldn't even have posted, because it's the
record (or capture) part that I was missing.  Thanks for pointing out
that it's worth saving to a lossless format, though.

2/ vsound is for recording audio output of programs, and thus isn't
applicable to my situation.

3/ ecasound seems like exactly what I am looking for.  It even has
an Emacs interface :-)

4/ gramophile can detect and cut tracks,  but I really hate it's
half-arsed curses UI (it doesn't even react to screen size change).
It would have been much better off with a straight CLI like ecasound.

-- 
"It's not true or not."  A reality show producer (real quote)


From xtifr at debian.org  Fri Dec 24 16:23:34 2004
From: xtifr at debian.org (Chris Waters)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:23:34 -0800
Subject: [buug] Early summary [Was: "record" mp3/ogg?]
In-Reply-To: <87hdmctcyf.fsf@buug.org>
References: <87acs6etey.fsf@buug.org> <87hdmctcyf.fsf@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20041225002334.GA27436@starless.xtnet>

On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 10:41:44PM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote:

> A quick run down the list of people's suggestions.

> 1/ I was unaware that general-purpose audio file editors like audacity
> can record line-in.  It certainly seems to contradict the "one job well"
> maxim, but I guess we've come a long way (toward hell, that is).

Well, actually, you can record using nothing but cat(1).  What you
can't do (at least not easily) with cat is set the sample rate and the
mixer/channel-select controls.  Once you've got something that can do
controlled playback of raw sound data, though, you're about 95% of the
way to making something that can record as well, So, while in general
I agree with you about the bloat issue, in this case I think it makes
sense to provide the extra feature.

The Linux sound card interface is dead easy once you look into it.

> 3/ ecasound seems like exactly what I am looking for.  It even has
> an Emacs interface :-)

I've actually edited raw sound files in emacs.  There's even a live
concert recording up on the Internet Archive now that has emacs in its
lineage, thanks to your truly.  :)

Uncompressed sound file formats are dead easy once you look into it.

> 4/ gramophile can detect and cut tracks,  but I really hate it's
> half-arsed curses UI (it doesn't even react to screen size change).
> It would have been much better off with a straight CLI like ecasound.

Bummer.  I've heard good things about it, but never actually tried
it.  The filters designed for clicks and pops (as often found on
vinyl) seemed like a pretty useful feature too.  Trapping SIGWINCH is
not difficult.  Did you send in a bug report?

One last thing I should mention: if you ever plan to burn your sound
files to audio CD, you should make sure the data is a proper multiple
of the audio CD sector size, or you may end up with coasters.  The
"--sector-align" option for FLAC is a good place to start.

-- 
Chris Waters           |  Pneumonoultra-        osis is too long
xtifr at debian.org       |  microscopicsilico-    to fit into a single
or xtifr at speakeasy.net |  volcaniconi-          standalone haiku


From wfhoney at pacbell.net  Tue Dec 28 10:10:23 2004
From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Bill Honeycutt)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:10:23 -0800
Subject: [buug] Know filename, need the .deb
Message-ID: <41D1A18F.9020205@pacbell.net>

Hi,

I've forgotten how to find out which .deb package provides a specific file.

Thanks in advance!


From nick at zork.net  Tue Dec 28 10:16:09 2004
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:16:09 -0800
Subject: [buug] Know filename, need the .deb
In-Reply-To: <41D1A18F.9020205@pacbell.net>
References: <41D1A18F.9020205@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <20041228181608.GD11778@zork.net>

begin  Bill Honeycutt  quotation:
> I've forgotten how to find out which .deb package provides a
> specific file.

[nick at zork(~)] dpkg -S /bin/bash
bash: /bin/bash


-- 
"These people program the way Victorians dress.              Nick Moffitt
It takes two hours and three assistants to put on your      nick at zork.net
clothes, and you have to change before dinner.
But everything is modular."    -- Miles Nordin, on PAM


From itz at buug.org  Tue Dec 28 22:06:54 2004
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: 28 Dec 2004 22:06:54 -0800
Subject: [buug] Know filename, need the .deb
In-Reply-To: <20041228181608.GD11778@zork.net>
References: <41D1A18F.9020205@pacbell.net> <20041228181608.GD11778@zork.net>
Message-ID: <87oegdwsch.fsf@buug.org>


Nick> "These people program the way Victorians dress.
Nick> It takes two hours and three assistants to put on your
Nick> clothes, and you have to change before dinner.
Nick> But everything is modular."    -- Miles Nordin, on PAM

I didn't know I was Victorian at heart :-)

-- 
"It's not true or not."  A reality show producer (real quote)


From jzitt at josephzitt.com  Wed Dec 29 23:10:39 2004
From: jzitt at josephzitt.com (Joseph Zitt)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:10:39 -0800
Subject: [buug] Audio CD Catalog Software
Message-ID: <41D3A9EF.7050506@josephzitt.com>

Does anyone have a recommendation for software to catalog audio CDs? 
I've been poking at gmmusic without much success (I suspect that it's 
assuming that I know a whole lot about PostgreSQL). Ideally, I'm looking 
for something freedb-aware with a useful GUI.

Clues?


From itz at buug.org  Thu Dec 30 21:06:01 2004
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: 30 Dec 2004 21:06:01 -0800
Subject: [buug] Audio CD Catalog Software
In-Reply-To: <41D3A9EF.7050506@josephzitt.com>
References: <41D3A9EF.7050506@josephzitt.com>
Message-ID: <87acrvgipy.fsf@buug.org>


Joseph> Does anyone have a recommendation for software to catalog audio
Joseph> CDs?  I've been poking at gmmusic without much success (I
Joseph> suspect that it's assuming that I know a whole lot about
Joseph> PostgreSQL). Ideally, I'm looking for something freedb-aware
Joseph> with a useful GUI.

Mee tooo.

-- 
"It's not true or not."  A reality show producer (real quote)