From wfhoney at pacbell.net Wed May 5 17:47:44 2004 From: wfhoney at pacbell.net (Bill Honeycutt) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 17:47:44 -0700 Subject: [buug] Pre-IPO companies Message-ID: <40998B30.3050000@pacbell.net> I know many BUUG'ers have had experiences with IPO's and pre-IPO's. I'm looking for your input regarding the good, the bad and the ugly side of working for them (or choosing which ones you might work for). If you are being courted to take a position with a startup company: - What are the good/bad things to look for? - What are the best questions to ask? - What percentage earn payback for everyone -vs- making you broke? - Where's the "IPO Employee Hazards FAQ"? - How long should you make the barge pole when getting close? : ) I'm sure this could draw out some grusome war stories. IMHO, we're not so far away from a day when seed money begins to creep out of hiding and techies will again be invited to become grist for the mill. TIA! From jan at caustic.org Wed May 5 19:58:42 2004 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Pre-IPO companies In-Reply-To: <40998B30.3050000@pacbell.net> References: <40998B30.3050000@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20040505175417.D267@pogo.caustic.org> On Wed, 5 May 2004, Bill Honeycutt wrote: > I know many BUUG'ers have had experiences with IPO's and pre-IPO's. > I'm looking for your input regarding the good, the bad and the ugly side > of working for them (or choosing which ones you might work for). oh man, this is an ugly question. > If you are being courted to take a position with a startup company: > > - What are the good/bad things to look for? the bad, way more stock than you think you want in an offer. giving out large amounts of options in liew of cash/pay is a big warning sign imho. take a look around and see how much space they have. has there been a large hiring spree? if you know anyone in the CO, find out if there's been a freeze or word of one in the grapevine. find out how many hours a week they work. The good.. After having worked for multiple start-ups in the last 6 years.. here's the good. The good to find is enthusiastic workers. people who like the product, know what it is, and can explain what's happening in teh company to you. Look for some communication between executives and employees. This is mostly (sadly) appliciable to smaller companies, since the larger ones will depend on the group you work for. Managers in start-ups are usually fresh fish to the job. They tend to suck, and some just don't know it. look for them being able to do the job they were initially hired for. A rule i've encountered: the smaller the startup, the more confusion there is as to what it is you do. collarary: the more focused the initial employees/founders are, the less confusion there is during first wave expansion. The pre-IPO company is a little different. There's a large, and evil, gap between the startup (10/20 people) and the pre-IPO company (200? 300? people). this gap is in behaviour to meet financials to have a good opening. it seems to be: massive hiring of new employees, lack of infrastructure, and then layoffs to meet stock expectations or keep listed. these are not always in line, mind you. > - What are the best questions to ask? - business plan? where is the company going to be in 5 years? - who are the current execs? who's on the board? what's their background? what other companies do the execs work for? on the board with? - who is auditing the company? who's handling the IPO (if imminent)? - who is issuing the VC (if any)? - what hours are common for the average employee? - what are the stock purchace rules (once stock is involved)? - what are the cash reserves? > - What percentage earn payback for everyone -vs- making you broke? i know very few people who've jackpotted off of an IPO. one of the big headaches is that most employees have to hold the stock for 6 months before being able to sell. the other, of course, is that by then the IPO blitz has gone off and the initial high is done, the stock may be worth less than the paper it's printed on (which has happened to other friends). in most cases, though, people have NOT come out ahead despite having many thousands of options (this happened to me, twice). the 6 month moratorium on sale doesn't seem to apply to board members or many execs, and that is something to remember. the behaviour of the board and executives can make or break a company rather quickly. especially right after the IPO. also, remember that options are NOT stock. don't be fooled. options are rather like a carrot at the end of a stick, designed to keep you around. > - Where's the "IPO Employee Hazards FAQ"? > - How long should you make the barge pole when getting close? : ) very, very, long. remember that corparations are not people, and are only as ethical as their employees, managers, and executives. > I'm sure this could draw out some grusome war stories. IMHO, we're not > so far away from a day when seed money begins to creep out of hiding and > techies will again be invited to become grist for the mill. it's already started again, in a few cases. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 From grayarea at reddagger.org Wed May 5 20:19:28 2004 From: grayarea at reddagger.org (jwithers) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 20:19:28 -0700 Subject: [buug] Pre-IPO companies In-Reply-To: <40998B30.3050000@pacbell.net> References: <40998B30.3050000@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <1083813568.2145.52.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 17:47, Bill Honeycutt wrote: > I know many BUUG'ers have had experiences with IPO's and pre-IPO's. I'm > looking for your input regarding the good, the bad and the ugly side of > working for them (or choosing which ones you might work for). > Been there, done that quite a bit, and unless your title is going to have two letters in front of Officer, my advice on how to think about this is pretty simple. Just keep repeating to yourself over and over: There is no stock, There is no stock. Get this tattooed, backwards, on your forehead so that you see it in the mirror each morning when you shave, if necessary. The vast majority of startups fail. This isn't a bubble thing, it is just a reality of business. Of the ones that don't, they still have to get to the point where the difference in your strike price and the stock valuation is high enough to matter. Then, of those (and we are talking like 1 in 20 at best here), that difference has to be enough that there is a significant advantage after all is said and done between sinking your money into an index fund for the same time period. Which isn't that minor a consideration, since you are probably talking a minimum of about four years before you are free to do something with that money. The company has to get to the point where they can IPO, which is going to take at least 2-3 years, then you are going to be under lockup rules and massive tax liabilities for another year or so beyond that. So you have to ask yourself if you put X dollars in an index fund for that period of time, would you have made significantly less? Once you get the stocks out of your head, the actual specific questions you were asking in your post boil down to the same ones you ask now about a job. Do I like the working conditions? Are these the kind of people I actually want to work with? Does my job involve aiding or abetting evil? Are they selling something right now that makes a profit? Who are their major clients? What is the competitive field in the area? Are the major investors major companies with good track records investing here because they see a technological advantage being inside here, potentially prior to a buyout down the road? One question we, as techs, don't think about enough is: do they have executives with incredible sales and marketing track records? Yes, the suit and shmooze clan are our blood enemies, but the very unfortunate fact is that almost always these are the guys who are going to make or break the company, because they are the ones who make the rain. If I had a cup of coffee for every great demo and proof of concept I have seen that didn't do anything because it didn't have marketing steam behind it, I would be able to stay awake and code for the next year straight. And, conversely, these are the same guys who if they are inexperienced and don't know what they are doing are going to start trying to drive stupid requirements late in the process and make life maximum unfun. John P. Withers > If you are being courted to take a position with a startup company: > > - What are the good/bad things to look for? > - What are the best questions to ask? > - What percentage earn payback for everyone -vs- making you broke? > - Where's the "IPO Employee Hazards FAQ"? > - How long should you make the barge pole when getting close? : ) > > I'm sure this could draw out some grusome war stories. IMHO, we're not > so far away from a day when seed money begins to creep out of hiding and > techies will again be invited to become grist for the mill. > > TIA! > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed May 5 20:24:06 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:24:06 -0700 Subject: [buug] Pre-IPO companies In-Reply-To: <40998B30.3050000@pacbell.net> References: <40998B30.3050000@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20040506032405.GL12221@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bill Honeycutt (wfhoney at pacbell.net): > - What are the good/bad things to look for? Get the stock options issued in certificate form. It'll make rather outre but attractive wallpaper. From jan at caustic.org Wed May 5 20:43:28 2004 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Pre-IPO companies In-Reply-To: <20040506032405.GL12221@linuxmafia.com> References: <40998B30.3050000@pacbell.net> <20040506032405.GL12221@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20040505204304.B267@pogo.caustic.org> On Wed, 5 May 2004, Rick Moen wrote: > Get the stock options issued in certificate form. It'll make rather > outre but attractive wallpaper. a friend of mine used hers as bunny cage lining. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 From rubinson at email.arizona.edu Mon May 10 12:52:28 2004 From: rubinson at email.arizona.edu (Claude Rubinson) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 12:52:28 -0700 Subject: [buug] Pen Scanner? Message-ID: <20040510195228.GB1336@wagner> Does anyone know of any pen scanners that do OCR on the fly and support Linux? Googling around, the only one that I found was the Siemens Pocket Reader (http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-03/pr_pocketreader_01.html) but that's out of production and a few years old (which suggests that it's fairly clunky). Another possibility might be a handheld scanner and OCR software, but I'm looking at taking notes from texts, articles, etc for research and most handheld scanners would keep me tethered to my machine. Not really feasible. Thanks, Claude From jammer at weak.org Mon May 10 15:39:18 2004 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:39:18 -0700 Subject: [buug] [dkravets@ap.org: reporter seeking interviews] Message-ID: <20040510223918.GA26820@weak.org> Anyone interested? -Jon ----- Forwarded message from Dave Kravets ----- Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:26:14 -0700 From: Dave Kravets X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) To: buug-admin at weak.org Subject: reporter seeking interviews My name is David Kravets, the legal writer with The Associated Press in San Francisco. I am searching to interview people in California who had purchased computers between 95-2001 with Microsoft software already installed. These people are eligible for refunds via a class-action lawsuit being settled in San Francisco on Wednesday. The attorneys are seeking thousands of dollars per hour of work, whereas the purchasers are getting not much. thanks david kravets 415-863-6012 ----- End forwarded message ----- From itz at buug.org Thu May 13 08:07:57 2004 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 13 May 2004 08:07:57 -0700 Subject: [buug] cached tex fonts Message-ID: <877jvgl60i.fsf@buug.org> Is there a simpler way to purge the cached font metrics in /var/cache/fonts than something like find /var/cache/fonts -type f -name "*.pk" -o -name "*.tfm" | xargs rm ? In particular, I find that upgrading tetex packages doesn't do this automatically. Should it? Is this a bug? -- Nothing can be explained to a stone. Or to a stoned person, either. From glueline at sbcglobal.net Sat May 15 06:00:55 2004 From: glueline at sbcglobal.net (John Albrecht) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 06:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] (buug) Network rebuild Message-ID: <20040515130055.44109.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I need some direction as to the best way to set up my home network with a UNIX (freeBSD) foundation. The windows set up is deteriorating, for alot of reasons, so a rebuild is on the horizon. I have to have two of my boxes be windows because of software needs, but the rest can be freeBSD. The goal is to shift all of the name,dns, and dhcp needs along with a firewall to smaller boxes. There are at least two that could be use for this project. I currently have a Win2K server that handles my name,dns, and dhcp. Also am running a Win2K Pro workstation along with (currently) 4 freeBSD boxes that are running seti at home. There are several more freeBSD boxes that are not running at the moment because of a office remodel. All machines have access to the internet via DSL and a D-link DI-604. Thank you for your time! John J. Albrecht ===== Walking, a life long, low impact way to get and stay fit.www.healththroughwalking.com From jan at caustic.org Sat May 15 09:57:36 2004 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] (buug) Network rebuild In-Reply-To: <20040515130055.44109.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040515130055.44109.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040515094559.W267@pogo.caustic.org> On Sat, 15 May 2004, John Albrecht wrote: > I currently have a Win2K server that handles my name,dns, and dhcp. > Also am running a Win2K Pro workstation along with (currently) 4 freeBSD > boxes that are running seti at home. There are several more freeBSD boxes > that are not running at the moment because of a office remodel. first, install FreeBSD on the machine you'll be wanting to handle services. next, add the isc-dhcpd package. it'll need to be configured, which can be a pain to do. make sure one machine has two network cards. this is going to be your firewall. ensure you activate bridging between the two interfaces (read the freebsd handbook for how). on one network interface you'll have the DSL modem, on the other you'll have the hub/switch. this is your firewall. read how to configure it in the freebsd handbook. take one internal machine, configure BIND and ISC-DHCPd on it. this will handle your internal DNS and dhcp services. again, read about how to configure it in the freebsd handbook. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 From bferrell at baywinds.org Sat May 15 11:29:34 2004 From: bferrell at baywinds.org (Bruce Ferrell) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:29:34 -0700 Subject: [buug] (buug) Network rebuild In-Reply-To: <20040515094559.W267@pogo.caustic.org> References: <20040515130055.44109.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> <20040515094559.W267@pogo.caustic.org> Message-ID: <40A6618E.6010202@baywinds.org> I'm lazy. Assuming you have perl, you can put webmin on the box and ease the pain of configuring complex things like dhcp, mail of vertually any stripe etc. www.webmin.com f.johan.beisser wrote: > On Sat, 15 May 2004, John Albrecht wrote: > > >> I currently have a Win2K server that handles my name,dns, and dhcp. >>Also am running a Win2K Pro workstation along with (currently) 4 freeBSD >>boxes that are running seti at home. There are several more freeBSD boxes >>that are not running at the moment because of a office remodel. > > > first, install FreeBSD on the machine you'll be wanting to handle > services. next, add the isc-dhcpd package. it'll need to be configured, > which can be a pain to do. > > make sure one machine has two network cards. this is going to be your > firewall. ensure you activate bridging between the two interfaces (read > the freebsd handbook for how). on one network interface you'll have the > DSL modem, on the other you'll have the hub/switch. this is your firewall. > read how to configure it in the freebsd handbook. > > take one internal machine, configure BIND and ISC-DHCPd on it. this will > handle your internal DNS and dhcp services. again, read about how to > configure it in the freebsd handbook. > > -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ > The other day I asked former Yankees pitcher Jim Bouton > what he thought of our great victory over Iraq, and he > said, "Mohammed Ali versus Mr. Rogers." > -- kurt vonnegut, 5.9.03 > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > From john at jjdev.com Mon May 17 16:58:46 2004 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 16:58:46 -0700 Subject: [buug] mfc dev with linux Message-ID: <20040517235846.GA10392@stang.jjdev.com> Anyone have any ideas for me. I have a project to do that needs to run on windows. From what I know it is a GUI client that will use MFC. I know very little about windows programming, but will learn what I need to for the project. I don't have a windows box. In the past I've only played with wine and never really done anything serious. I'm building it now and plan to set it up again. I have access to Visual Studio (I assume I will need this). I'm hoping to keep my normal way of developing (vi and a command line compiler) I've been reading up on the MS compiler and see they have a command line version. Anyone here have experience developing for Windows with a %100 Linux environment. I'd think I could just cross compile with gcc, except for the fact that I'll be using MFC. I'm open to feedback if anyone has anything to suggest I do. -- I'd rather have a gun and never need it, than need one... and never have it. Figures don't lie, but liars figure From itz at buug.org Tue May 18 07:18:47 2004 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 18 May 2004 07:18:47 -0700 Subject: [buug] mfc dev with linux In-Reply-To: <20040517235846.GA10392@stang.jjdev.com> References: <20040517235846.GA10392@stang.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <87zn853jjs.fsf@buug.org> johnd> Anyone have any ideas for me. I have a project to do that needs johnd> to run on windows. From what I know it is a GUI client that will johnd> use MFC. I know very little about windows programming, but will johnd> learn what I need to for the project. No chance of using Qt (or a dozen similar but less known multiplatform GUIs)? -- Nothing can be explained to a stone. Or to a stoned person, either. From brian at planetshwoop.com Tue May 18 08:53:26 2004 From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:53:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [buug] mfc dev with linux In-Reply-To: <20040517235846.GA10392@stang.jjdev.com> References: <20040517235846.GA10392@stang.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <40686.63.73.213.5.1084895606.squirrel@63.73.213.5> johnd said: > Anyone here have experience developing for Windows with a %100 Linux > environment. I'd think I could just cross compile with gcc, except for > the > fact that I'll be using MFC. > > I'm open to feedback if anyone has anything to suggest I do. > I'd look into VMWare. You'd have to pick up a copy of Windows (I believe), but I suspect you'll avoid issues that you'll otherwise get with API issues. Plus, since there are about 60+ versions of Windows (ok, I'm exaggerating, but there is NT, XP, W2K, ME, 98, etc.) who knows what will be supported in wine vs. what you'll want to deploy on. brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ From mike at boom.net Tue May 18 10:03:24 2004 From: mike at boom.net (Mike Hedlund) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:03:24 -0700 Subject: [buug] mfc dev with linux In-Reply-To: <20040517235846.GA10392@stang.jjdev.com> References: <20040517235846.GA10392@stang.jjdev.com> Message-ID: <20040518170323.GA30278@boom.net> Are you taking over someone elses project which has already been started using MFC, or are you doing it from scratch? Either way, I'd probably just use the native VC++ environment as you will spend 3-5x as much time trying to get your custom environment working. I used to do a decent amount of windows development work (mostly porting, some native stuff) and I found VC++ easy to use and quick when I just wanted to Get It Done. Cheers, -mike On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 04:58:46PM -0700, johnd wrote: > Anyone have any ideas for me. I have a project to do that needs to run on > windows. From what I know it is a GUI client that will use MFC. I know > very little about windows programming, but will learn what I need to for > the project. > > I don't have a windows box. In the past I've only played with wine and > never really done anything serious. I'm building it now and plan to set > it up again. I have access to Visual Studio (I assume I will need this). > > I'm hoping to keep my normal way of developing (vi and a command line compiler) > > I've been reading up on the MS compiler and see they have a command line > version. > > Anyone here have experience developing for Windows with a %100 Linux > environment. I'd think I could just cross compile with gcc, except for the > fact that I'll be using MFC. > > I'm open to feedback if anyone has anything to suggest I do. > > > > -- > I'd rather have a gun and never need it, than need one... and never have it. > Figures don't lie, but liars figure > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From sniphadkar at linux.net Wed May 19 21:46:35 2004 From: sniphadkar at linux.net (Sameer Niphadkar) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 21:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] LAMP based Security Message-ID: <20040520044635.7DC17725F@sitemail.everyone.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From mp at rawbw.com Fri May 21 06:42:33 2004 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 06:42:33 -0700 Subject: [buug] to/from Excel, databases, etc. Message-ID: <1085146953.40ae07492841d@webmail.rawbw.com> Question came up at the BUUG meeting yesterday about getting data loaded into and extracted from Excel. Anyway, what I used to do once upon a time, for both some Excel and database stuff, was roughly something like this: import/export to/from Excel or database using quote (") surrounded comma separated format (in some/many cases it was necessary to not have numeric data quoted). for processing the data in UNIX, convert the field separator/delimiters to a single tab each, and convert end of record to a single newline each (then process as desired in UNIX with awk, sed, etc.) Along those lines, the "attached" file archive contains a few utilities I wrote that I'd typically use to aid in some of these functions. 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From john at jjdev.com Fri May 21 13:29:10 2004 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:29:10 -0700 Subject: [buug] to/from Excel, databases, etc. In-Reply-To: <1085146953.40ae07492841d@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <1085146953.40ae07492841d@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <20040521202910.GE30679@stang.jjdev.com> have you looked at gnumeric? http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnumeric/ it is opensource and youcould see the way they do it On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 06:42:33AM -0700, Michael Paoli wrote: > Question came up at the BUUG meeting yesterday about getting data loaded > into and extracted from Excel. > > Anyway, what I used to do once upon a time, for both some Excel and > database stuff, was roughly something like this: > import/export to/from Excel or database using quote (") > surrounded comma separated format (in some/many cases it was necessary > to not have numeric data quoted). > for processing the data in UNIX, convert the field > separator/delimiters to a single tab each, and convert end of record to > a single newline each (then process as desired in UNIX with awk, sed, > etc.) > > Along those lines, the "attached" file archive contains a few utilities > I wrote that I'd typically use to aid in some of these functions. The > scripts are likely still relatively useful. I'm not sure how > useful/complete the C program is (the permissions I left on it make me > think it may not have been completed or otherwise suitable for more > general distribution). -- I'd rather have a gun and never need it, than need one... and never have it. Figures don't lie, but liars figure From jzitt at josephzitt.com Sun May 23 23:41:33 2004 From: jzitt at josephzitt.com (Joseph Zitt) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:41:33 -0700 Subject: [buug] Mandrake 10.0 Official and Canon i250 printer Message-ID: <1085380892.2978.5.camel@aleph.josephzitt.com> I am trying to use a Canon i250 USB printer with my Mandrake 10,0 (Official release) system. I hooked it up, and Mandrake appeared to do whatever it needed to to install the printer. It shows up appropriate in the USB viewer and CUPS interfaces. When I try to send a test page or to print anything, nothing happens. According to the CUPS interface, the pages print, but the printer does nothing. The installation seems to have been sufficiently automatic that I can't see anything that I could have done wrong, but there's always something. Any clues? From lay_myint at hotmail.com Wed May 26 00:26:13 2004 From: lay_myint at hotmail.com (Lay Myint) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:26:13 -0700 Subject: [buug] Solaris 8 man pages installation Message-ID: can someone tell me how I can install the man pages on a newly installed Solaris 8 system on a Sparc 5. I think I just need to unzip the files on /usr/share/man sub-diretories and run 'install' or something...?? _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From jammer at weak.org Wed May 26 07:02:58 2004 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:02:58 -0700 Subject: [buug] Testing, please ignore Message-ID: <20040526140258.GB2470@weak.org> Hooray for system upgrades. -Jon From itz at buug.org Thu May 27 22:20:42 2004 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 27 May 2004 22:20:42 -0700 Subject: [buug] News Item Message-ID: <874qq19lg5.fsf@buug.org> Wow! Linux gets a mention in Christian Science Monitor: http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0527/p09s01-coop.html -- Nothing can be explained to a stone. Or to a stoned person, either. From george at metaart.org Fri May 28 17:54:21 2004 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:54:21 -0700 Subject: [buug] News Item In-Reply-To: <874qq19lg5.fsf@buug.org> References: <874qq19lg5.fsf@buug.org> Message-ID: <200405281754.22060.george@metaart.org> Thanks for the link. I just finished reading "Hackers & Painters" by Paul Graham (O'Reilly). It was thought provoking. The article you reference gives a contrasting point of view. George On Thursday 27 May 2004 10:20 pm, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Wow! Linux gets a mention in Christian Science Monitor: > > http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0527/p09s01-coop.html