From mp at rawbw.com Sun Oct 3 17:07:24 2004 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:07:24 -0700 Subject: [buug] Sun system looking for a good home; BUUG list is back! Message-ID: <1096848444.4160943c91f4f@webmail.rawbw.com> I've got a co-worker that happens to also live in Berkeley, and is giving away a Sun system. I don't have full specifications information, but this is what I seem to recall: SPARC 5, includes keyboard and monitor, presently running Solaris 8, includes 3 hard drives (2 internal 1 external). If you are or may be interested, drop me a note and I'll pass it along to my coworker. And, ... if you're received this in a timely manner, it should be obvious the BUUG list is working once again :-), but in case you were curious, wondering what happened, or just wanted to know: Quoting Jon McClintock : > On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 08:45:17AM -0700, Michael Paoli wrote: > > Can someone please fix the BUUG list stuff? ... or at least > > as an alternative, make the list membership and archives > > available so someone can set this up somewhere else? > > Hi there, > > A couple weeks ago, my DSL service was unexpectedly disconnected when my > local phone service was slammed. This killed all connectivity to > weak.org, which hosts the BUUG mailing lists (and which I run). > > It took a couple days to find alternate hosting. It's back up now (it > has been for a week or so), and should return to the original IP address > shortly. > > > Seems the list information and archives aren't available: > > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/ > > The "Contact Us" url: > > http://www.weak.org/buug/mail.html > > also seems to not work: > > Send Message --> > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access /buug/mail.cgi on this server. > > Yeah, sorry. An Apache upgrade combined with the IP change broke this. > Should be working again. Fixed now. > > -Jon From jan at caustic.org Sun Oct 3 17:30:01 2004 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Sun system looking for a good home; BUUG list is back! In-Reply-To: <1096848444.4160943c91f4f@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <1096848444.4160943c91f4f@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <20041003172120.W52614@pogo.caustic.org> On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Michael Paoli wrote: > I've got a co-worker that happens to also live in Berkeley, and is > giving away a Sun system. I don't have full specifications > information, but this is what I seem to recall: > SPARC 5, includes keyboard and monitor, presently running Solaris 8, > includes 3 hard drives (2 internal 1 external). > > If you are or may be interested, drop me a note and I'll pass it > along to my coworker. i'm interested, but don't currently have space for it. has he considered donating it to one of the few sparc linux projects? --- f.johan.beisser --- Thanks bash.org! matts: bikes go faster than cars...a bike at 60 mph is a lot faster than a car at 60 mph a bike at 60 mph will blow by a car at 60 mph From mp at rawbw.com Thu Oct 7 03:37:23 2004 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 03:37:23 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: gpg keysigning (a wee bit at BUUG 2004-10-07) In-Reply-To: <87acuzxfge.fsf@buug.org> References: <87acuzxfge.fsf@buug.org> Message-ID: <1097145443.41651c631d266@webmail.rawbw.com> Sounds like a plan. I'll likewise bring the requisite information for any BUUG attendees that may want to sign my keys that haven't already ... and of course I can sign keys with suitable information provided. I try make it a habit to generally bring "those little strips of paper" to user group meetings (e.g. BUUG) in case keysignings are done/offered, but I don't always remember to bring them. I rather like the idea I heard at the 2004-10-04 keysigning of writing the fingerprint data on cellular phone (or something one always carries) ... not a bad idea. :-) references/excerpts: BUUG: http://www.buug.org/ 2004-10-04 past event: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?ev=55294 Quoting Ian Zimmerman : > If I make it to tomorrow's BUUG meeting, I'll bring the paraphernalia > to have my new key signed. From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Oct 7 09:53:32 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:53:32 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: gpg keysigning (a wee bit at BUUG 2004-10-07) In-Reply-To: <1097145443.41651c631d266@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <87acuzxfge.fsf@buug.org> <1097145443.41651c631d266@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <20041007165332.GZ22221@linuxmafia.com> [Reply-To set, even though I'm on both lists, because cross-posting across mailing lists is just a bad idea.] Quoting Michael Paoli (mp at rawbw.com): > I rather like the idea I heard at the 2004-10-04 keysigning of writing > the fingerprint data on cellular phone (or something one always > carries) ... not a bad idea. :-) I keep my key ID and signature in my PalmPilot, which I can therefore read off or beam at people, if the battery gods are willing. -- Cheers, The cynics among us might say: "We laugh, Rick Moen monkeyboys -- Linux IS the mainstream UNIX now! rick at linuxmafia.com MuaHaHaHa!" but that would be rude. -- Jim Dennis From webmaster at hawaiidakine.com Sun Oct 17 14:54:36 2004 From: webmaster at hawaiidakine.com (webmaster at hawaiidakine.com) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:54:36 -1000 Subject: [buug] Java on FreeBSD Message-ID: <4172EA1C.8090209@hawaiidakine.com> Can anyone point me to a how to for installing Java on FreeBSD 4.9 or 4.10 Thanks. Al Plant -Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Supporting Open Source in computing with FreeBSD 4.9 "Failure only happens when you stop trying." - Omar Periu From jan at caustic.org Sun Oct 17 23:27:51 2004 From: jan at caustic.org (f.johan.beisser) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 23:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Java on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <4172EA1C.8090209@hawaiidakine.com> References: <4172EA1C.8090209@hawaiidakine.com> Message-ID: <20041017232038.C73943@pogo.caustic.org> best bet: ports. there's a native jdk port, it depends on the linux one. just do a make install. On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, webmaster at hawaiidakine.com wrote: > Can anyone point me to a how to for installing Java on FreeBSD 4.9 or 4.10 > > Thanks. > > > Al Plant -Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com > Supporting Open Source in computing with FreeBSD 4.9 > "Failure only happens when you stop trying." - Omar Periu > > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > --- f.johan.beisser --- Thanks bash.org! matts: bikes go faster than cars...a bike at 60 mph is a lot faster than a car at 60 mph a bike at 60 mph will blow by a car at 60 mph From unixjavabob at yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 12:44:23 2004 From: unixjavabob at yahoo.com (Bob Read) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Java on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <4172EA1C.8090209@hawaiidakine.com> Message-ID: <20041018194423.86722.qmail@web54107.mail.yahoo.com> Al, To pay homeage to all the skaters out there, please name your next child "Face". Thanks, Bob R --- "webmaster at hawaiidakine.com" wrote: > Can anyone point me to a how to for installing Java > on FreeBSD 4.9 or 4.10 > > Thanks. > > > Al Plant -Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com > Supporting Open Source in computing with FreeBSD 4.9 > "Failure only happens when you stop trying." - Omar > Periu > > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > ===== ----------------------------------------- Bob Read Exit Code Incorporated cell (510)-703-1634 unixjavabob at yahoo.com ----------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From webmaster at hawaiidakine.com Tue Oct 19 10:22:24 2004 From: webmaster at hawaiidakine.com (webmaster at hawaiidakine.com) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:22:24 -1000 Subject: [buug] Printer setup with apsfilter problem Message-ID: <41754D50.8070007@hawaiidakine.com> Hi Gurus, Printer is a USB HP psc750 on a FreeBSD 4.9 box. Stand alone printer. I am getting:# lptcontrol -p "Device Busy" :# lpc status lp dnj750 queing is enabled printing is enabled 3 entries in spool area Waiting for dnj750 to become ready (offline?) :# lpr -d dnj750 testprinter lpr: cannot access dnj750 I also get error that reads #16 and gives the hostname of the machine i am trying to set up the printer on, 'guam10.intra.net' as an unrecognized command. What should I be looking for? I have used apsfilter on a HP lasetjet 1100 and not had this problem on FreeBSD 4.9 before. I do note that the apsfilter was an older version I used before. Any suggestions appreciated. Al Plant -Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Supporting Open Source in computing with FreeBSD 4.9 "Failure only happens when you stop trying." - Omar Periu From itz at buug.org Wed Oct 20 07:39:20 2004 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 20 Oct 2004 07:39:20 -0700 Subject: [buug] Free hardware night Message-ID: <87mzyhjvxj.fsf@buug.org> I hope to bring the following tomorrow night: 2wire NIC (I can't find a Linux driver, perhaps BSD people will have better luck) Pair of 8W speakers Linksys Wireless B to Ethernet bridge I already promised Bill the bridge, he has the first shot. -- "It's not true or not." A reality show producer (real quote) From jcdouville at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 20 09:07:27 2004 From: jcdouville at sbcglobal.net (Jarell Douville) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:07:27 -0700 Subject: [buug] DNS Server and Apache on same machine Message-ID: <41768D3F.5050705@sbcglobal.net> Hi, I'm trying to setup BIND on the same machine my web server is on. I spent lots of timefollowing the handbook's tutorial and searching the web for examples of setting up both on the same machine, but can't find any (the common ex's havn't been too helpfull). Is anybody on this list familiar with using named? Thanks Jarell From harpo at thebackrow.net Wed Oct 20 12:40:40 2004 From: harpo at thebackrow.net (Will Lowe) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:40:40 -0700 Subject: [buug] DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <41768D3F.5050705@sbcglobal.net> References: <41768D3F.5050705@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20041020194040.GA30772@thebackrow.net> > I'm trying to setup BIND on the same machine my web server is on. Should be no problem doing this. What OS are you running? -- thanks, Will From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 20 12:42:26 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:42:26 -0700 Subject: [buug] DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <41768D3F.5050705@sbcglobal.net> References: <41768D3F.5050705@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20041020194226.GS27397@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jarell Douville (jcdouville at sbcglobal.net): > Is anybody on this list familiar with using named? 0. Yes, there are people on this list familiar with using named. ;-> 1. What's the problem? 2. In case you need example BIND9 zonefiles, http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/network/bind9-examples-linuxmafia.tar.gz has mine -- including the requisite named.conf snippet. (See file named.conf.local .) From jammer at weak.org Wed Oct 20 13:13:09 2004 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:13:09 -0700 Subject: [buug] DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <41768D3F.5050705@sbcglobal.net> References: <41768D3F.5050705@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20041020201309.GB28497@weak.org> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 09:07:27AM -0700, Jarell Douville wrote: > I'm trying to setup BIND on the same machine my web server is on. > I spent lots of timefollowing the handbook's tutorial and searching the > web for examples of setting up both on the same machine, but can't find > any (the common ex's havn't been too helpfull). > Is anybody on this list familiar with using named? Well, since Rick was gracious enough to not respond with it, I'll posit that we'd all be able to help you better if you first ran through: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Essays/smart-questions.html You basically walked into a bookstore and asked "I'm looking for a book...I think it was blue." -Jon From jcdouville at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 20 15:09:05 2004 From: jcdouville at sbcglobal.net (Jarell Douville) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <200410201938.i9KJc3hl020005@drtboi.rdsl.lmi.net> Message-ID: <20041020220905.44668.qmail@web81008.mail.yahoo.com> I'm using apache13-modssl and the version of bind that comes default with freebsd-4.10. My named.conf, resolv.conf, zone file is pasted below. My domain name now is mpflea.com, but my colocation provider's dns server is handling it and i want to provide dns services for mpflea.net. (I'm going to use my dns only once I know it's working because I'm not sure if I could get locked out.) I used the command make-localhost. I registered mpflea.net with web.com and since bind isn't working it doesn't find anything when I try to add ns1.mpflea.com as a nameserver. Let me know if I'm missing something. Thanks for your help. Here's my "mpflea.net" zone file: /////////////////////////////// $TTL 3600 mpflea.net. IN SOA ns1.mpflea.com. admin.mpflea.net. ( 5 ; Serial 10800 ; Refresh 3600 ; Retry 604800 ; Expire 86400 ; Minimum TTL ; DNS Servers @ IN NS ns1.mpflea.com. ; Machine Names localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 ns1 IN A @ mail IN A @ mpflea.net IN A @ @ IN A 208.185.250.89 ; Aliases www IN CNAME @ ; MX Record @ IN MX 10 mail.mpflea.net //////////////// named.conf: options { directory "/etc/namedb"; // forward only; forwarders { 208.185.243.94; }; */ query-source address * port 53; }; zone "." { type hint; file "named.root"; }; zone "0.0.127.IN-ADDR.ARPA" { type master; file "localhost.rev"; }; zone "mpflea.net" { type master; file "mpflea.net"; }; //////////////////////////// resolv.conf: domain mpflea.com nameserver 127.0.0.1 nameserver 208.185.243.94 nameserver 208.185.247.110 ////////////////////////////////////// > > I have set up BIND and Apache on many servers. I am > most familiar with the > 1.x branch of Apache and the 8.x branch of BIND, and > mostly on FreeBSD, but > I'm sure I can help out. What's the difficulty? > > -Todd > From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 20 15:48:40 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:48:40 -0700 Subject: [buug] DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <20041020220905.44668.qmail@web81008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200410201938.i9KJc3hl020005@drtboi.rdsl.lmi.net> <20041020220905.44668.qmail@web81008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041020224840.GT27397@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jarell Douville (jcdouville at sbcglobal.net): > I'm using apache13-modssl and the version of bind that > comes default with freebsd-4.10. An old boss of mine had a saying: "That's almost useful" (i.e., not useful at all). Here's how I query my installation of BIND for its version number: [rick at uncle-enzo] ~ $ /usr/sbin/named -v BIND 9.2.4rc5 > I used the command make-localhost. Others may have a different perspective on the elephant under scrutiny, but the foregoing doesn't tell me anything. You could have meant to say: 1. I constructed /etc/named/mpflea.net as follows: [cited] 2. I constructed /etc/named.conf as follows: [cited] 3. I attempted to [re-]start BIND using this exact sequence of commands: [cited] 4. The following was returned to stdout: [cited] 5. The following was recorded in /var/log/daemon.log: [cited] (Substitute appropriate logfile.) 6. The following was returned to stdout when I typed "dig @localhost www.mpflea.com CNAME". (Substitute as required any other command that suffices to show the symptom.) > Here's my "mpflea.net" zone file: > /////////////////////////////// > $TTL 3600 > mpflea.net. IN SOA ns1.mpflea.com. admin.mpflea.net. ( > 5 ; Serial > 10800 ; Refresh > 3600 ; Retry > 604800 ; Expire > 86400 ; Minimum TTL > ; DNS Servers > @ IN NS ns1.mpflea.com. > ; Machine Names > localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 > ns1 IN A @ > mail IN A @ > mpflea.net IN A @ > @ IN A 208.185.250.89 I'm not going to debug your entire zonefile, but: (1) You shouldn't be trying to define localhost, here: It's not part of that zone at all. (2) You have gravely misunderstood the meaning and purpose of "@" in BIND zonefiles. Note: Your resolver configuration (resolv.conf) isn't directly relevant to this issue. You're trying to debug the _server_ end of DNS. Your resolver is a DNS _client_ piece. From jcdouville at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 20 15:36:58 2004 From: jcdouville at sbcglobal.net (Jarell Douville) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <200410202218.i9KMIZhl025789@drtboi.rdsl.lmi.net> Message-ID: <20041020223658.47451.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> I've put named_enable="YES" in rc.conf and ndc start works and says it's using some pid. Here's /var/log/messages: Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[511]: starting (/etc/namedb/named.conf). named 8.3.7-REL Tue May 25 21:15:41 GMT 2004 root at perseus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/usr.sbin/named Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[511]: mpflea.net:11: SOA ")" error near (m) Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[511]: Zone "mpflea.net" (file mpflea.net): no SOA RR found Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[511]: master zone "mpflea.net" (IN) rejected due to errors (serial 5) Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[524]: Ready to answer queries. ////////////////////////////////////// And ndc status: named 8.3.7-REL Tue May 25 21:15:41 GMT 2004 root at perseus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/usr.sbin/named config (/etc/namedb/named.conf) last loaded at age: Wed Oct 20 10:53:49 2004 number of zones allocated: 64 debug level: 0 xfers running: 0 xfers deferred: 0 soa queries in progress: 0 query logging is OFF server is up and running /////////////////////////////////////// > Well, first, how are you trying to start named? > What do you see when > you type "ndc status" on the command line? If you > see something > like: > ndc: error: ctl_client: evConnect(fd 3): No such > file or directory > ndc: error: cannot connect to command channel > (/var/run/ndc) > > Type "ndc start", and what do you see then? > > Check /var/log/messages for errors, if it's the zone > that won't load, but > named is running. > > It sounds to me like there's no problems involving > Apache/BIND interaction. > > -Todd > From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 20 16:10:11 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:10:11 -0700 Subject: [buug] DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <20041020223658.47451.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200410202218.i9KMIZhl025789@drtboi.rdsl.lmi.net> <20041020223658.47451.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041020231011.GU27397@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jarell Douville (jcdouville at sbcglobal.net): > Here's /var/log/messages: > Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[511]: mpflea.net:11: SOA > ")" error near (m) > Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[511]: Zone "mpflea.net" > (file mpflea.net): no SOA RR found There you have it. Your zonefile was on crack, and.... > Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[511]: master zone > "mpflea.net" (IN) rejected due to errors (serial 5) ...was summarily rejected and regurgitated onto the pavement. BIND8 is thus eagerly willing to serve up all your _other_ zonefiles, which probably amounts to quantity zero: > Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[524]: Ready to answer > queries. Like that. So, problem #1 of n is that your zonefile doesn't have a valid SOA block. Maybe because you forgot the closing ");" , hmmm? Oops. Might I strongly suggest that you shitcan that zonefile, grab your choice of example zonefiles to work from, and start over? Also: > Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[511]: starting > (/etc/namedb/named.conf). named 8.3.7-REL Tue May 25 > 21:15:41 GMT 2004 /bin/date informs me that it's 2004. BIND8 has not been defensible since around January 2001 at the latest (when BIND9 became good enough to rely on). From john at jjdev.com Wed Oct 20 15:42:14 2004 From: john at jjdev.com (johnd) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:42:14 -0700 Subject: [buug] DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <41768D3F.5050705@sbcglobal.net> References: <41768D3F.5050705@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20041020224214.GA8983@stang.jjdev.com> yes On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 09:07:27AM -0700, Jarell Douville wrote: > Hi, > I'm trying to setup BIND on the same machine my web server is on. > I spent lots of timefollowing the handbook's tutorial and searching the > web for examples of setting up both on the same machine, but can't find > any (the common ex's havn't been too helpfull). > Is anybody on this list familiar with using named? > Thanks > > Jarell From jcdouville at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 20 17:32:06 2004 From: jcdouville at sbcglobal.net (Jarell Douville) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Re: DNS Server and Apache on same machine Message-ID: <20041021003206.71541.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> Bind was 8.3.7-REL but I'm updating to 9 now. I fixed the @ problem and ")" problem in the mpflea.net zone file and now it starts up fine with no error's in the log/messages file. Shouldn't I be able to type ns1.mpflea.com in to the url box and get some good response? --- Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Jarell Douville (jcdouville at sbcglobal.net): > > > I'm using apache13-modssl and the version of bind > that > > comes default with freebsd-4.10. > > An old boss of mine had a saying: "That's almost > useful" (i.e., not > useful at all). Here's how I query my installation > of BIND for its > version number: > > [rick at uncle-enzo] > ~ $ /usr/sbin/named -v > BIND 9.2.4rc5 > > > > I used the command make-localhost. > > Others may have a different perspective on the > elephant under scrutiny, > but the foregoing doesn't tell me anything. > > > You could have meant to say: > > 1. I constructed /etc/named/mpflea.net as follows: > [cited] > 2. I constructed /etc/named.conf as follows: > [cited] > 3. I attempted to [re-]start BIND using this exact > sequence of > commands: [cited] > 4. The following was returned to stdout: [cited] > 5. The following was recorded in > /var/log/daemon.log: [cited] > (Substitute appropriate logfile.) > 6. The following was returned to stdout when I > typed > "dig @localhost www.mpflea.com CNAME". > (Substitute as required any other command that > suffices to show > the symptom.) > > > > > Here's my "mpflea.net" zone file: > > /////////////////////////////// > > $TTL 3600 > > mpflea.net. IN SOA ns1.mpflea.com. > admin.mpflea.net. ( > > 5 ; Serial > > 10800 ; Refresh > > 3600 ; Retry > > 604800 ; Expire > > 86400 ; Minimum TTL > > ; DNS Servers > > @ IN NS ns1.mpflea.com. > > ; Machine Names > > localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 > > ns1 IN A @ > > mail IN A @ > > mpflea.net IN A @ > > @ IN A 208.185.250.89 > > I'm not going to debug your entire zonefile, but: > (1) You shouldn't be > trying to define localhost, here: It's not part of > that zone at all. > (2) You have gravely misunderstood the meaning and > purpose of "@" in > BIND zonefiles. > > > Note: Your resolver configuration (resolv.conf) > isn't directly relevant > to this issue. You're trying to debug the _server_ > end of DNS. Your > resolver is a DNS _client_ piece. > > From todd at bitslinger.net Wed Oct 20 18:16:26 2004 From: todd at bitslinger.net (Todd Meister) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:16:26 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:32:06 PDT." <20041021003206.71541.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200410210116.i9L1GQhl032555@drtboi.rdsl.lmi.net> Jarell Douville writes: >Shouldn't I be able to type ns1.mpflea.com in to the >url box and get some good response? What is a URL box? You need to separate out the various elements of the DNS, in order to troubleshoot your issues. The root servers say that ns{1,2}.simplihosting.com are authoritative for mpflea.com. Every DNS server on the internet except the one you've loaded with the mpflea.com zone, will likely query those servers when asking about that domain. If you've not put 127.0.0.1 as the first entry in the resolv.conf file on the DNS server you are running, even it will query those servers for information about mpflea.com. So, there's what the root servers know about who knows about your domain - that informs the rest of the internet, so far as who has answers about your domain. Then, there's the simplihosting.com servers. They are the authoritative servers for your zone because that's what the root servers believe. Finally, there's your new DNS box, which (probably) thinks it's authoritative, but the rest of the world could care less. I suggest you check out the dig command, not as in the simple "dig NS mpflea.com", but specifying the DNS servers to query. This should help you out. It's always important to know from what server your answers come. Becoming intimate with dig makes that easy. -Todd From mp at rawbw.com Wed Oct 20 20:37:02 2004 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:37:02 -0700 Subject: [buug] DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <20041020223658.47451.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041020223658.47451.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1098329822.41772ededfc8c@webmail.rawbw.com> DNS Server and Apache on the same machine is relatively straight-forward. Generally speaking, they should in no way cause problems for each other ... other, than, of course, any problems they might cause if they aren't configured properly - but that would apply quite equally with Apache and DNS Server on separate systems. If you don't already have this book, I'd well recommend it: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/dns4/ Also, BIND is relativley unforgiving when it comes to configuration errors. Using some type of revision control system may be advisable. For large installations, it's often best to have automated or semi-automated control of changes - from input validation, through change application and validation. Quoting Jarell Douville : > Here's /var/log/messages: > Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[511]: starting > (/etc/namedb/named.conf). named 8.3.7-REL Tue May 25 > 21:15:41 GMT 2004 > root at perseus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/usr.sbin/named > Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[511]: mpflea.net:11: SOA > ")" error near (m) > Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[511]: Zone "mpflea.net" > (file mpflea.net): no SOA RR found > Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[511]: master zone > "mpflea.net" (IN) rejected due to errors (serial 5) > Oct 20 15:38:46 mpflea named[524]: Ready to answer > queries. From jcdouville at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 21 12:34:39 2004 From: jcdouville at sbcglobal.net (Jarell Douville) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Re: DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <200410210116.i9L1GQhl032555@drtboi.rdsl.lmi.net> Message-ID: <20041021193439.11738.qmail@web81002.mail.yahoo.com> > What is a URL box? I meant the address bar (i think it's called, where you type the url in your browser's window.) When I try to go to ns1.mpflea.com to it says it could not be found. Even if ns{1,2}.simplihosting.com are authoritative for mpflea.com, shouldn't my nameserver (ns1.mpflea.com) respond somehow? I also don't really want my nameserver to be authoritative for mpflea.com right now, but instead for mpflea.net. Is this possible? (I'm doing this because if I tell my colocation company to take mpflea.com off their dns server then if mine isn't set up correctly I'm guessing I'd be locked out. So I just want to test it first for mpflea.net.) I'm lost as to what I should be focusing on right; named seems to be working fine, but it seems like ns1.mpflea.com still doesn't exist. Thanks for all the help! From todd at bitslinger.net Fri Oct 22 11:20:38 2004 From: todd at bitslinger.net (Todd Meister) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:20:38 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:34:39 PDT." <20041021193439.11738.qmail@web81002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200410221820.i9MIKchl026378@drtboi.rdsl.lmi.net> Jarell Douville writes: > >> What is a URL box? > >I meant the address bar (i think it's called, where >you type the url in your browser's window.) >When I try to go to ns1.mpflea.com to it says it could >not be found. Even if ns{1,2}.simplihosting.com are >authoritative for mpflea.com, shouldn't my nameserver >(ns1.mpflea.com) respond somehow? You can answer that better than I. What would cause the resolver used by your browser to query ns1.mpflea.com? That depends on what's in the resolv.conf on the machine from which you're running your web browser, and maybe on what's in the resolv.conf on ns1.mpflea.com. >I also don't really want my nameserver to be >authoritative for mpflea.com right now, but instead >for mpflea.net. Is this possible? DNS for mpflea.net is currently set to: mpflea.net nameserver = dns2.web.com. mpflea.net nameserver = dns1.web.com. I don't know how your provider (web.com) works, but maybe you could set up your server to be authoritative, and the web.com nameservers can slave off your box. You'd have three NS records - dns2.web.com, dns1.web.com, and ns1.mpflea.net. From jammer at weak.org Fri Oct 22 14:38:42 2004 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:38:42 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <20041021003206.71541.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041021003206.71541.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041022213842.GH2210@weak.org> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 05:32:06PM -0700, Jarell Douville wrote: > Bind was 8.3.7-REL but I'm updating to 9 now. I fixed > the @ problem and ")" problem in the mpflea.net zone > file and now it starts up fine with no error's in the > log/messages file. > > Shouldn't I be able to type ns1.mpflea.com in to the > url box and get some good response? Did you tell simplihosting about ns1.mpflea.com? It sounds like you don't quite understand how this whole DNS thing works. To be clear, here's the process: - You enter "http://ns1.mpflea.com/" in your web browser, and hit enter. - Your web browser attempts to resolve 'ns1.mpflea.com' into an IP address. It consults the first name server in it's configured list of nameservers (on a Linux host, this is typically /etc/resolv.conf, on a Windows host, it's buried in the Control Panel somewhere). - Your web browser sends a request to the first name server, asking for the IP address that corresponds to ns1.mpflea.com. - That name server either knows that mapping, or it doesn't. If it knows it, it returns it. - If it doesn't, it queries one of the root servers, to figure out which server really does. In this case, it gets the response that ns1.simplihosting.com (and ns2) are the DNS servers for that domain. - It goes to ns1.simplyhosting.com and asks, "Hey, do you know who this ns1.mpflea.com guy is?" - ns1.simplyhosting.com, knowing that it is authoritative for mpflea.com, and not having a mapping for it, says "No, ns1.mpflea.com doesn't exist." - Your local DNS server then relays this back to you. You have four options to get ns1.mpflea.com to work when you enter it in your web browser: a) Setup the mapping at simplihosting.com b) Configure your local computer to use ns1.mpflea.com directly, and set it up as a relay c) Set ns1.mpflea.com as the primary server for the mpflea.com domain d) Add a mapping for ns1.mpflea.com directly to your local table of mappings. In *nix, do this by editing /etc/hosts. I could have just told you to RTFM, but my alternative was to actually be productive, working, and that's just no fun. -Jon From jcdouville at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 22 16:52:29 2004 From: jcdouville at sbcglobal.net (Jarell Douville) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Re: DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <20041022213842.GH2210@weak.org> Message-ID: <20041022235229.41020.qmail@web81006.mail.yahoo.com> > c) Set ns1.mpflea.com as the primary server for the > mpflea.com domain > d) Add a mapping for ns1.mpflea.com directly to your > local table of > mappings. In *nix, do this by editing /etc/hosts. I tried d). My hosts file looks like: ////////////////////// ::1 localhost localhost.mpflea.com 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.mpflea.com 208.185.250.89 mpflea.com 208.185.250.89 ns1.mpflea.com ////////////////////// But there is still no response. Would doing c) only mean changing to hostname="ns1.mpflea.com" in rc.conf? From jcdouville at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 22 13:00:01 2004 From: jcdouville at sbcglobal.net (Jarell Douville) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Re: DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <200410221820.i9MIKchl026378@drtboi.rdsl.lmi.net> Message-ID: <20041022200001.71396.qmail@web81002.mail.yahoo.com> > maybe on what's in the resolv.conf on > ns1.mpflea.com. The resolv.conf file on ns1.mpflea.com = www.mpflea.com (this is the same computer with domainname="mpflea.com" in it's rc.conf) is: ///////////////// domain mpflea.com nameserver 127.0.0.1 nameserver 208.185.243.94 nameserver 207.126.96.162 ///////////////// > I don't know how your provider (web.com) works, but > maybe you could set up > your server to be authoritative, and the web.com > nameservers can slave > off your box. That is what I'm confused about; when I try to add ns1.mpflea.com as a nameserver for mpflea.com I get this: //////////////////// Unable to add nameservers: Command failed: unable to verify existence of nameserver ns1.mpflea.com //////////////////// From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Oct 21 14:59:14 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:59:14 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <200410210116.i9L1GQhl032555@drtboi.rdsl.lmi.net> References: <20041021003206.71541.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> <200410210116.i9L1GQhl032555@drtboi.rdsl.lmi.net> Message-ID: <20041021215914.GW27397@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Todd Meister (todd at bitslinger.net): > What is a URL box? > > You need to separate out the various elements of the DNS, in order to > troubleshoot your issues. I think he has to carefully think through what a nameserver does, and how it does that in the context of a hierarchical namespace. The posted zonefile was a mess, the flow of authority is a mess, and probably the best thing the original poster can do is spend the afternoon under a bo tree, meditating on DNS. From dave at mikamyla.com Sat Oct 23 11:27:39 2004 From: dave at mikamyla.com (Dave Barry) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:27:39 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <20041021215914.GW27397@linuxmafia.com> References: <20041021003206.71541.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> <200410210116.i9L1GQhl032555@drtboi.rdsl.lmi.net> <20041021215914.GW27397@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20041023182739.GA19852@psax.org> Quothe Rick Moen , on Thu, Oct 21, 2004: > probably the best thing the original poster can do is spend the afternoon > under a bo tree, meditating on DNS. The Indians in Bodh Gaya called it a Bodhi tree. -- hurg Dave Barry dave at psax.org From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 23 11:33:55 2004 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:33:55 -0700 Subject: [buug] Re: DNS Server and Apache on same machine In-Reply-To: <20041023182739.GA19852@psax.org> References: <20041021003206.71541.qmail@web81001.mail.yahoo.com> <200410210116.i9L1GQhl032555@drtboi.rdsl.lmi.net> <20041021215914.GW27397@linuxmafia.com> <20041023182739.GA19852@psax.org> Message-ID: <20041023183354.GS2847@zork.net> begin Dave Barry quotation: > Quothe Rick Moen , on Thu, Oct 21, 2004: > > probably the best thing the original poster can do is spend the > > afternoon under a bo tree, meditating on DNS. > > The Indians in Bodh Gaya called it a Bodhi tree. Rick Moen is the Bhodisatva of BIND. -- "I think that software engineering would help to prevent Nick Moffitt things like imake." nick at teh.entar.net -- Jon Webb