From webmaster at hawaiidakine.com Wed Apr 13 10:49:53 2005 From: webmaster at hawaiidakine.com (webmaster at hawaiidakine.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:49:53 -1000 Subject: [buug] Connect Links in email browser Message-ID: Aloha... Gurus, I am trying Thunderbisrd email browser and need to connect to links in emails that I receive. Any body know how to make the links work? The OS is FreeBSD or Debian Linux. Thanks, Al Plant http://hawaiidakine.com. http://freebsdinfo.org Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From hsuclarklarry at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 13 12:52:24 2005 From: hsuclarklarry at sbcglobal.net (Laurence Clark) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:52:24 -0700 Subject: [buug] Connect Links in email browser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425D7878.3090909@sbcglobal.net> Hows It Keep firefox running. Firefox is the web browser that goes with Thunderbird. When you click on an URL in Thunderbird, Firefox will goto the website. Another Note: Keep Thunderbird and Firefox on the same desktop. If you use a window manager where you switch from one virtual desktop to another there is a problem. Switching between desktops on my system (SUSE / WindowMaker) can crash thunderbird / firefox. webmaster at hawaiidakine.com wrote: > > Aloha... Gurus, > > I am trying Thunderbisrd email browser and need to connect to links in > emails that I receive. Any body know how to make the links work? > The OS is FreeBSD or Debian Linux. > > Thanks, > > Al Plant > > http://hawaiidakine.com. > http://freebsdinfo.org > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > From togo at of.net Wed Apr 13 15:49:15 2005 From: togo at of.net (Tony Godshall) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:49:15 -0700 Subject: [buug] Connect Links in email browser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050413224915.GA19410@private> According to webmaster at hawaiidakine.com, > > Aloha... Gurus, > > I am trying Thunderbisrd email browser and need to connect to links in > emails that I receive. Any body know how to make the links work? > The OS is FreeBSD or Debian Linux. > > Thanks, > > Al Plant > > http://hawaiidakine.com. > http://freebsdinfo.org > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug Ah, a man who likes spam! Can't help you with opera mail. Maybe should should try an opera-specific list? -- Tony Godshall From jzitt at josephzitt.com Wed Apr 13 16:19:11 2005 From: jzitt at josephzitt.com (Joseph Zitt) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:19:11 -0700 Subject: [buug] Connect Links in email browser In-Reply-To: <425D7878.3090909@sbcglobal.net> References: <425D7878.3090909@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <425DA8EF.6030104@josephzitt.com> This doesn't work for me. With Firefox and Thunderbird running on the same virtual desktop under icewm on Mandrake 10.1, clicking on a URL in Thunderbird does nothing. Any ideas what I might need to configure differently? Laurence Clark wrote: > Hows It > > Keep firefox running. Firefox is the web browser that goes with > Thunderbird. When you click on an URL in Thunderbird, Firefox will goto > the website. > > Another Note: > Keep Thunderbird and Firefox on the same desktop. > > If you use a window manager where you switch from one virtual desktop to > another there is a problem. Switching between desktops on my system > (SUSE / WindowMaker) can crash thunderbird / firefox. > > > webmaster at hawaiidakine.com wrote: > >> >> Aloha... Gurus, >> >> I am trying Thunderbisrd email browser and need to connect to links in >> emails that I receive. Any body know how to make the links work? >> The OS is FreeBSD or Debian Linux. >> From willtop31 at epsfh.com Thu Apr 14 17:10:45 2005 From: willtop31 at epsfh.com (willtop31 at epsfh.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:10:45 -0500 Subject: [buug] Where do I find old versions of unix? Message-ID: <1113523845.425f068566ac7@webmail.epsfh.com> Hello, I'm new to the BUUG. I join specifically to get more involved with unix, and to be weened from the teat of microsoft. My first step is to find older versions of unix, preferably BSD Unix of FreeBSD if possible. I'm looking for something that will run on a x286 with 8 MB of ram. Can anybody point me in the right direction? Thanks, c_t From atporter at primate.net Thu Apr 14 16:30:10 2005 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:30:10 -0700 Subject: [buug] Where do I find old versions of unix? In-Reply-To: <1113523845.425f068566ac7@webmail.epsfh.com> References: <1113523845.425f068566ac7@webmail.epsfh.com> Message-ID: <20050414233010.GK21230@primate.net> On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 07:10:45PM -0500, willtop31 at epsfh.com wrote: > I'm looking for something that will run on a x286 with 8 MB of ram. > > Can anybody point me in the right direction? I don't think any of the BSD's will run on pre-386 hardware. Your only options are probably MINIX or ELKS. http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/minix.html http://elks.sourceforge.net/ From togo at of.net Thu Apr 14 16:59:28 2005 From: togo at of.net (Tony Godshall) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:59:28 -0700 Subject: [buug] Where do I find old versions of unix? In-Reply-To: <20050414233010.GK21230@primate.net> References: <1113523845.425f068566ac7@webmail.epsfh.com> <20050414233010.GK21230@primate.net> Message-ID: <20050414235928.GA11563@private> According to Aaron T Porter, > On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 07:10:45PM -0500, willtop31 at epsfh.com wrote: > > > I'm looking for something that will run on a x286 with 8 MB of ram. > > > > Can anybody point me in the right direction? > > I don't think any of the BSD's will run on pre-386 hardware. Your > only options are probably MINIX or ELKS. Linux kernel 2.6 has merged in the ucLinux (uc as in micro controller) fork, so it is able to be compiled to run on low-spec non-MMU CPUs. You might look into that. I don't know if there's any distrib supporting it, but you're probably wise to look at the embedded systems arena (mass market or low-power embedded apps are pretty much the only uses for low-spec CPUs any more). I'd expect you'd find most 286 unixes have atrophied, if they were ever on the web to begin with (IIRC, the 286 was new around 20 years ago). From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Apr 14 17:09:29 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:09:29 -0700 Subject: [buug] Where do I find old versions of unix? In-Reply-To: <1113523845.425f068566ac7@webmail.epsfh.com> References: <1113523845.425f068566ac7@webmail.epsfh.com> Message-ID: <20050415000929.GZ27314@linuxmafia.com> Quoting willtop31 at epsfh.com (willtop31 at epsfh.com): > Hello, I'm new to the BUUG. Greetings! > I join specifically to get more involved with unix, and to be weened > from the teat of microsoft. > > My first step is to find older versions of unix, preferably BSD Unix > of FreeBSD if possible. > > I'm looking for something that will run on a x286 with 8 MB of ram. Wow, that's still working? You must be one wizard hardware guy, to keep that thing alive. The 80286 had some strengths for its day, but unfortunately the memory management came out somewhat brain-damaged, and ditto its ability to handle transitions between "real mode" and "protected mode". Real operating systems such as *ixes needed protected mode, but (and I'm fuzzy about details, a this late date) the '286's protected mode just didn't quite work properly. OSes that were designed for it included OS/2 1.x, the little-seen MS-Windows 2.0, and -- ta da! -- a very, very few specialised *ixes. The only two (of the latter category) that come immediately to mind are The Mark Williams Company's Coherent and SCO's XENIX 286. Both were proprietary. Neither included a TCP/IP stack. Both were long, long ago end-of-lifed. The Mark Williams Company has completely vanished. SCO-that-was in Santa Cruz sold off the tiny fragments of its UNIX business, including trademarks, to Caldera Systems of Utah (which renamed itself SCO Group), and became Tarantella of Santa Cruz, instead (a small Web services company). {386|Free|Net|Open}BSD never worked on the 286, requiring (in x86 versions) a 386/387 combination as the bare minimum. ELKS (Embedded Linux Kernel Subset) would probably run on your bitty box; whether you'd like the result, I have no idea. Well, and I suppose you could try to find a copy of Minix (bundled with Tanenbaum's _Operating Systems Design and Implementation_, 2nd edition). AT&T, back in dinosaur days, at one time offered something called "UNIX System V/286", but I don't know a thing about it. (Microport of Scotts Valley apparently managed the feat _first_, and then licensed the tricks involved back to AT&T. Microport got dissolved in 2002.) > Can anybody point me in the right direction? Yeah. Used PII boxes are really cheap. ;-> Some things just don't age well, and anique x86 boxes are definitely among them. From atporter at primate.net Thu Apr 14 17:24:45 2005 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron T Porter) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:24:45 -0700 Subject: [buug] Where do I find old versions of unix? In-Reply-To: <20050415000929.GZ27314@linuxmafia.com> References: <1113523845.425f068566ac7@webmail.epsfh.com> <20050415000929.GZ27314@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20050415002445.GL21230@primate.net> On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 05:09:29PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Well, and I suppose you could try to find a copy of Minix (bundled with > Tanenbaum's _Operating Systems Design and Implementation_, 2nd edition). For the record, you can pull Minix off ast's website if you really want: http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/getting_minix.html From nick at zork.net Thu Apr 14 17:49:17 2005 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:49:17 -0700 Subject: [buug] Where do I find old versions of unix? In-Reply-To: <20050415002445.GL21230@primate.net> References: <1113523845.425f068566ac7@webmail.epsfh.com> <20050415000929.GZ27314@linuxmafia.com> <20050415002445.GL21230@primate.net> Message-ID: <20050415004916.GS32328@zork.net> begin Aaron T Porter quotation: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 05:09:29PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Well, and I suppose you could try to find a copy of Minix (bundled with > > Tanenbaum's _Operating Systems Design and Implementation_, 2nd edition). > > For the record, you can pull Minix off ast's website if you really > want: > > http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/getting_minix.html And it's now BSD licensed! http://minix1.hampshire.edu/faq/mxlicense.html -- "These people program the way Victorians dress. Nick Moffitt It takes two hours and three assistants to put on your nick at zork.net clothes, and you have to change before dinner. But everything is modular." -- Miles Nordin, on PAM From willtop31 at epsfh.com Thu Apr 14 21:48:22 2005 From: willtop31 at epsfh.com (C T) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:48:22 -0700 Subject: [buug] Where do I find old versions of unix? References: <1113523845.425f068566ac7@webmail.epsfh.com><20050415000929.GZ27314@linuxmafia.com> <20050415002445.GL21230@primate.net> Message-ID: <005801c54176$86710f70$0a00a8c0@laptop> I am speechless. I am so impressed I wasn't blammed, dogged, or whatever hip words of ridicule that role in computerdom with my little request. All the information I gathered was very useful. Thanks again, everyone!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron T Porter" To: "Rick Moen" ; "BUUG" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [buug] Where do I find old versions of unix? > On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 05:09:29PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: >> Well, and I suppose you could try to find a copy of Minix (bundled with >> Tanenbaum's _Operating Systems Design and Implementation_, 2nd edition). > > For the record, you can pull Minix off ast's website if you really > want: > > http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/getting_minix.html > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From brian at dessent.net Thu Apr 14 22:04:09 2005 From: brian at dessent.net (Brian Dessent) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:04:09 -0700 Subject: [buug] Where do I find old versions of unix? References: <1113523845.425f068566ac7@webmail.epsfh.com><20050415000929.GZ27314@linuxmafia.com> <20050415002445.GL21230@primate.net> <005801c54176$86710f70$0a00a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <425F4B49.418BB27F@dessent.net> C T wrote: > I am so impressed I wasn't blammed, dogged, or whatever hip words of > ridicule that role in computerdom with my little request. > > All the information I gathered was very useful. I think you have to ask how to get a crappy winmodem working in linux order to receive said ridicule. For extra crispy flamefest, be as vague and uncooperative as possible. Brian From mp at rawbw.com Thu Apr 14 23:03:58 2005 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:03:58 -0700 Subject: [buug] Where do I find old versions of unix? In-Reply-To: <1113523845.425f068566ac7@webmail.epsfh.com> References: <1113523845.425f068566ac7@webmail.epsfh.com> Message-ID: <1113545038.425f594e32567@webmail.rawbw.com> If you're in Berkeley (or the Bay Area), these days low end Pentium or better tend to dominate the curb-side discards. UNIX or a reasonable approximation on x86 hardware on <'386 typically tends to leave far fewer options (and tends to be rather to quite slugish). So, ... if not free, '386 through roughly low end Pentium hardware should be relatively dirt cheap, and quite available. But, for a '286 ... that *was* the first architecture I got to be superuser (root) on :-) ... at the time(~'86/'87), that was SCO Xenix. For text only and nothing too extreme, it was okay for one person, and marginally tolerable for 2 people working on it semi-actively (no graphics or anything snazzy). Searching archives and/or checking around some of the news:comp.unix.* newsgroups may be fairly useful - a moderate number of them cover flavors which run, or have versions that run, on '286 hardware (e.g. xenix, microport, sco, sysv286). There may be a FAQ or sommething out there that gives a more comprehensive and current list of what might exist and be viable for UNIX (or similar) that will run on '286 hardware. Dealing with quite old UNIX software could be a way to start, ... but you may also have to learn, or in many cases, relearn, what's changed with much more current software. Except for historic interests :-) it may be adviseable to try to find a solution that gets you relatively current reasonably supported software (e.g. LINUX or BSD on >='386). Quoting willtop31 at epsfh.com: > I join specifically to get more involved with unix, and to be weened from > the > teat of microsoft. > My first step is to find older versions of unix, preferably BSD Unix of > FreeBSD > if possible. > I'm looking for something that will run on a x286 with 8 MB of ram. > Can anybody point me in the right direction? From emory.taylor at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 14:46:42 2005 From: emory.taylor at gmail.com (Emory Taylor) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:46:42 -0700 Subject: [buug] Connect Links in email browser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I am trying Thunderbisrd email browser and need to connect to links in > emails that I receive. Any body know how to make the links work? > The OS is FreeBSD or Debian Linux. > > Thanks, > > Al Plant here's one way. # in ~/.thunderbird/***.default/prefs.js user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "firefox"); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.https", "firefox"); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.ftp", "whatever-the-heck-you-use"); Note there's other ways of skinning this cat. e.g. search a good linux forums like forums.gentoo.org or go to the mozilla forums. there's dozens of posts if that one doesn't work for you. From jammer at weak.org Mon Apr 25 10:05:53 2005 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:05:53 -0700 Subject: [buug] [Heather_Fox@prenhall.com: offer for review copy of new book: "Firefox & Thunderbird Garage" authored by Hofmann/Knous/Hedtke] Message-ID: <20050425170553.GA1295@weak.org> Someone local take point on this, if they're interested... -Jon ----- Forwarded message from "Fox, Heather" ----- Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:49:50 -0400 From: "Fox, Heather" Subject: offer for review copy of new book: "Firefox & Thunderbird Garage" authored by Hofmann/Knous/Hedtke To: "Fox, Heather" Hello UG Leader, Prentice Hall PTR has just published the new book, "Firefox & Thunderbird Garage", which is authored by Mozilla insiders Chris Hofmann and Marcia Knous and technical book author and documentation writer, John Hedtke. This is a book with lots of tips and tricks [extensions, security/privacy options/tabbed browsing/bookmarking] for how to maximize the desktop experience using Firefox & Thunderbird. If this book is appropriate for your User Group, please let me know and I will ship you one review copy. You can see the book's table of contents and some reader reviews, at this page: www.phptr.com/firefoxthunderbird . If you'd like to receive a review copy, please provide your shipping address so I can confirm your most updated information. Rgds, Heather Fox User Group Liaison for Addison-Wesley/Prentice Hall PTR ************************* Heather L. Fox, Senior Publicist & User Group Liaison Addison-Wesley/Prentice Hall PTR & IBM Press (phone) 201.236.7139; (FAX); 201.236.7123 heather.fox at pearsoned.com www.awprofessional.com; www.phptr.com Street Address: c/o Pearson Education, 1 Lake St., #3K17, Upper Saddle River, NJ, 07458 USA **************************************************************************** This email may contain confidential material. If you were not an intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies. We may monitor email to and from our network. **************************************************************************** ----- End forwarded message -----