From mcsx3 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 8 10:58:43 2005 From: mcsx3 at yahoo.com (Gabriel Gabriel) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] help / newbie Message-ID: <20050708175843.31946.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello: I'm new to FreeBSD. I tried it on VMWare virtual machines and I managed to bring it up all the way to the Gnome graphical environment but, as soon as I installed it on a real machine I got trouble. I've tried unsuccessfully to start a Gnome session on 2 different machines: a PIII Compaq and a 2800+ Athlon machine. The latter is the one I'm interested in running FreeBSD (v 5.4). I have an Athlon proc. 2800+ class, a Gigabyte 7nnxp mobo and an ATI 9600 Radeon video card. Everything seems to work fine and install fine, but I can't start Gnome. I tried with and without ATI's Linux/Xorg driver and keep on getting error messages. "failure to initialize core devices" "no matching section found for device XXXX" (the card installs as two devices on Win XP and Win 2k3). Apparently the "no matchin section found..." is for the second???? part of the card. Can anybody shed some light on me? plz! ThX! mc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jon at rejon.org Fri Jul 8 20:36:52 2005 From: jon at rejon.org (Jon Phillips) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:36:52 -0700 Subject: [buug] help / newbie In-Reply-To: <20050708175843.31946.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050708175843.31946.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1120880212.26602.8.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 10:58 -0700, Gabriel Gabriel wrote: > Hello: I'm new to FreeBSD. I tried it on VMWare > virtual machines and I managed to bring it up all the > way to the Gnome graphical environment but, as soon as > I installed it on a real machine I got trouble. I've > tried unsuccessfully to start a Gnome session on 2 > different machines: a PIII Compaq and a 2800+ Athlon > machine. The latter is the one I'm interested in > running FreeBSD (v 5.4). I have an Athlon proc. 2800+ > class, a Gigabyte 7nnxp mobo and an ATI 9600 Radeon > video card. Everything seems to work fine and install > fine, but I can't start Gnome. I tried with and > without ATI's Linux/Xorg driver and keep on getting > error messages. "failure to initialize core devices" > "no matching section found for device XXXX" (the card > installs as two devices on Win XP and Win 2k3). > Apparently the "no matchin section found..." is for > the second???? part of the card. Can anybody shed > some light on me? plz! ThX! Sounds like you are having a problem with X windows. Try to do from the commandline: startx Copy and paste what is output from that... Also, try: X -probeonly And paste the output back in an email. What it sounds like you need is to get your X configuration file sorted and then start your system. Someone who is familiar with freebsd's X configuration could probably help you even better than me. To generate a new config file from X, you can generate a new X configure file by doing : X -configure Jon -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon at rejon.org http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) From jon at rejon.org Fri Jul 8 22:01:29 2005 From: jon at rejon.org (Jon Phillips) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 22:01:29 -0700 Subject: [buug] Good meeting Message-ID: <1120885289.26600.16.camel@localhost> Nice to meet you all last night at the meeting. Jon -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon at rejon.org http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) From mp at rawbw.com Mon Jul 11 20:37:30 2005 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:37:30 -0700 Subject: [buug] DHCP and option 82 In-Reply-To: <42D2999C.8000103@hamiltontel.com> References: <42C06C0A.9040003@hamiltontel.com> <1121055736.42d1f3f8996ae@webmail.rawbw.com> <42D2999C.8000103@hamiltontel.com> Message-ID: <1121139450.42d33afaab6b3@webmail.rawbw.com> Do you know if your FreeBSD installation is using the ISC DHCP server? If so that DHCP server is well documented, and quite standards conformant. If I'm not mistaken, by default it logs via syslog, but command line options and/or configuration file options can alter that behavior (likely also including what it does and doesn't log, when, how, and where, etc.) Quoting Dan Ross : > No, > I am still searching for this answer. > Michael Paoli wrote: > >Did you manage to already get your question answered? > >Quoting Dan Ross : > >>I am new to the forum and so I am probably asking an old question. So > >>forgive me ahead of time. I am trying to figure out how to configure my > >>DHCP server on my FreeBSD server such that it supports Option 82 AND > >>logs the information in a database so I can search the database for > >>historical info. Has anybody tried either one or both of these? Input > >>would be most helpful. From kchrist at speakeasy.net Tue Jul 12 13:15:55 2005 From: kchrist at speakeasy.net (k christ) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:15:55 -0700 Subject: [buug] Web development SIG Message-ID: <9B790F3A-07C9-40F2-9087-18DA926F1AD2@speakeasy.net> Greetings! I'm fairly new to the Bay area. I moved up from LA last year and have only just now started looking at local user groups and such. In LA I was on the mailing list for, and occasionally went to the meetings of, the SGVLUG (San Gabriel Valley LUG). Their meetings were more structured, with planned presentations and such, but BUUG looks interesting as well. I'll try to stop by one of these weeks. LA also had LAMPSIG, an LA web development user group. Is there anything like this around the East Bay? The LAMPSIG meetings conflicted just perfectly with my work schedule, so I never actually went to any, but that is where my interest mainly lies, so I'm hoping to find something up here I can get involved in. From mp at rawbw.com Tue Jul 12 22:08:57 2005 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:08:57 -0700 Subject: [buug] DHCP and option 82 In-Reply-To: <42D3C6BD.4030109@hamiltontel.com> References: <42C06C0A.9040003@hamiltontel.com> <1121055736.42d1f3f8996ae@webmail.rawbw.com> <42D2999C.8000103@hamiltontel.com> <1121139450.42d33afaab6b3@webmail.rawbw.com> <42D3C6BD.4030109@hamiltontel.com> Message-ID: <1121231337.42d4a1e9a0a7c@webmail.rawbw.com> Well, you might get answer(s) sooner and/or get better answer(s) on/with some list(s)/forum(s), ... I peeked a bit more at the ISC DHCP server ( ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/dhcp/dhcp-3.0.2.tar.gz ). I don't quickly/easily find anything much beyond logging configurations and debug option(s). Perhaps cranking up the logging level and/or directing that to file (or pipe, etc.) may suffice. When all else fails, it does come with source. :-) Quoting Dan Ross : > I installed the ISC version myself. However, the only documentation so > far is in the man pages which only describe the most rudimentary aspect > of the of processing option 82. It mentions nothing about rerouting the > logs of the entries to the lease file. There seems to be no list > anywhere regarding what the circuit ID's or Relay Agent ID numbers are, > or how to obtain them. The only examples I can find are where the > instance was made specifically for their site and they not only dont > know where they got the relay agent info, they also have it logging to > the syslog and dont know how to change that. We want it logging to a > mysql database so we can look up who got what address when. > The only application that comes close to this is DIXIE which didnt work > and had even worse documentation. > Is there a pdf somewhere I dont know about that goes over setting up a > ISC server for option 82? Because the man pages are about as useful as > the RFC describing the option. > Michael Paoli wrote: > >Do you know if your FreeBSD installation is using the ISC DHCP server? > >If so that DHCP server is well documented, and quite standards conformant. > If > >I'm not mistaken, by default it logs via syslog, but command line options > >and/or configuration file options can alter that behavior (likely also > >including what it does and doesn't log, when, how, and where, etc.) > >Quoting Dan Ross : > >>No, > >>I am still searching for this answer. > >>Michael Paoli wrote: > >>>Did you manage to already get your question answered? > >>>Quoting Dan Ross : > >>>>I am new to the forum and so I am probably asking an old question. So > >>>>forgive me ahead of time. I am trying to figure out how to configure my > >>>>DHCP server on my FreeBSD server such that it supports Option 82 AND > >>>>logs the information in a database so I can search the database for > >>>>historical info. Has anybody tried either one or both of these? Input > >>>>would be most helpful. From lakesu at yahoo.com Wed Jul 20 16:53:41 2005 From: lakesu at yahoo.com (Weidong Hu) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] unix shell wouldn't show up Message-ID: <20050720235341.14614.qmail@web32010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, We have a sgi unix machine, and when individual users or even root login, and click on "open unix shell", it just blinked for a while, then nothing happened. We don't know what is going on. The workstation seems normal except for this strange problem. What should I do to fix this problem? Thanks Dr. Weidong Hu Immunology Division, BRI, City of Hope 1500 Duarte Rd., Duarte, CA 91010 Tel: 626 359-8111, ext: 63416 Fax: 626 301-8186 ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mp at rawbw.com Fri Jul 22 00:27:37 2005 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:27:37 -0700 Subject: [buug] history of UNIX(/LINUX) and random notes and related from 2005-07-19 BUUG meeting Message-ID: <1122017257.42e09fe9582b6@webmail.rawbw.com> history of UNIX(/LINUX) and random notes and related from 2005-07-19 BUUG meeting book(s) ... for some reason I was thinking 30 years, rather than 25, but this is the book I had in mind: A Quarter Century of UNIX by Peter H. Salus I've not read it, but what I've read/heard about it sounds quite good. I do have some other historical UNIX stuff (an old _Bell Systems Technical Journal_ issue that has a good chunk of some early UNIX history/background in it)., and some of the volumes of the UNIX Programmer's Manual (Unix Version 7 man pages, circa 1979), and some other UNIX documents of that vintage. Many of those older documents are also available on-line, e.g.: http://cm.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/ There are also emulators and old images of UNIX version 7, and some versions a bit earlier (and perhaps slightly later?) that are also available and can be used/run/explored. (see also item I have for The Computer History Simulation Project further below ) Also, fgrep -i ing my bookmarks for history, and dropping things out not reasonably related to UNIX/LINUX/computers/etc., I come up with an interesting list, ... some of the links may be dead, but if so, there's Google and such to perhaps find them if they moved, or if they're no longer "live" and on the Internet, there's: http://www.archive.org/ Anyway, ... here they are, ... I find first on the list provides a supurb timeline of UNIX development/history (may also touch on or reasonably cover LINUX)). UNIX history (preview) http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html Computer Languages History (preview) http://www.levenez.com/lang/history.html Computer History Museum Home Page http://www.computerhistory.org/ FastSilicon.com: Video Card History (1996 to 2003-11-09) http://www.fastsilicon.com/showarticle.php?a=28 HISTORY OF ROBOTS IN THE VICTORIAN ERA http://www.bigredhair.com/robots/index.html A History of Apple's Operating Systems http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/oshistory/ POWER to the people [A history of chipmaking at IBM] http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-powhist/ The History of Programming Languages http://www.oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/news/languageposter_0504.html The Institute of Internet History - www.ioih.org http://dogme.burningman.com/~jeremymb/ioih/ A History of the GUI : Page 1 http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/gui.ars/1 Linux: Its history and current distributions - A concise history of Linux http://www.developer.ibm.com/library/articles/schenk1.html Computer History http://www.systemtoolbox.com/history.php The Computer History Simulation Project http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ octothorpe: history and the real story http://www.sigtel.com/tel_tech_octothorpe.html From mp at rawbw.com Fri Jul 22 03:08:26 2005 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:08:26 -0700 Subject: [buug] conferences, publications, associations, _Computer-Related Risks_, etc. (follow-up from the BUUG 2005-07-21 meeting) Message-ID: <1122026906.42e0c59a2d535@webmail.rawbw.com> conferences, publications, associations, _Computer-Related Risks_, etc. (follow-up from the BUUG 2005-07-21 meeting) The BALE -- Bay Area Linux Events http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ I *strongly* recommend this for all persons in software, programming, or computer related professions, related hardware/design/management and/or management of any of those areas thereof. Also recommended in general for any engineering/nuclear/power/electrical/electronics realms and risks, risk prevention and analysis in general also, and most any areas dependent upon or significantly impacted by any of those technologies: _Computer-Related Risks_ http://www.csl.sri.com/users/neumann/neumann.html#4 Illustrative Risks to the Public in the Use of Computer Systems and Related Technology This list is supurb, and terse/concise (but long) reading with references (one line per incident, 620,612 bytes total, wc gives me about: 16820 97762 627204, on the text, not including URL references). It is probably much more valuable to read after reading _Computer-Related Risks_, and makes an excellent supplement to _Computer-Related Risks_ Be sure to have handy and/or familiarize one's self first with the "Descriptor Symbols" key towards the start of that list when reading through the list. http://www.csl.sri.com/users/neumann/illustrative.html ... and closely related to _Computer-Related Risks_: the Risks Forum: http://www.csl.sri.com/users/neumann/neumann.html#3 BugTraq: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1 UNIX Review: http://www.unixreview.com/ And the next Bay Area Debian (BAD) meeting and such: http://bad.debian.net/list/2005-July/002951.html http://bad.debian.net/list/2005-July/002952.html Oh, and LinuxWorld and Expo vendors (and .org pavilion exhibitors), and Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings, etc.: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/ http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/conference/special And a bunch more stuff and details (references towards the end) from some materials I prepared a while back (~2003-11-10, was with a slant towards being a set of related tips regarding doing job searches and such). References (URLs) are towards the bottom - appologies if there may be some link rot in there, but most of the URLs should still be correct and reasonably current (and if not that, probably findable via Google or such). (Technical and other): Conferences/Expositions, Publications, Associations, etc. I'll attempt to cover these items from more/most general, to more specific (towards technical/UNIX/LINUX and related). One thing that may be of interest regarding conferences and such, is these tend to generally include exhibitions (some of them seem more exhibition oriented than conference oriented), and for most of them, one can register for the exhibition portions of the events for free (typically on-line, or sometimes via a mail-in form), and often in particular ahead of some early registration or mail-in/on-line registration cutoff deadline. Even if one has no intention to physically attend the event, registering for such free exhibition stuff can be quite useful (sometimes also includes some useful free hardcopy publication subscription), can get one information/leads/information on vendors, advertisers, sponsors, etc. Note that with such registrations, one may want to explicitly "opt out" of most of the e-mail option stuff (to avoid having some, many, or most all of the vendors sending e-mail items and/or passing your e-mail address on to their "partners", etc.). Also, many of the major exhibitions/conferences often come to San Francisco (typically Moscone Convention Center - I'd guestimate probably somewhere from 30 to 60% of the time, on average) - or other locations in the San Francisco Bay Area that may be reasonably convenient. If one can get to the exhibition, that can be rather/quite useful - if nothing else, picking up program guide (and addendum/update/errata) can be quite useful (advertisers, directory of vendors/exhibitors - often also including categorized listings). In addition to that, "working" the exhibition floor (for information, contacts, leads, general networking, etc.) can be quite useful/informative. If one does go to an exhibition to "work" the floor, having advance listing of vendors/exhibitors and having researched where one wants to concentrate one's time/focus may be advantageous (but it may not always be easy or possible to get vendor/exhibitor listing in advance). Advertisers/Exhibitors/Sponsors. Noting who is (and isn't) exhibiting, selling, advertising, sponsoring, (and relative sizes of these things), etc. can provide useful insight into who's got products to sell, who may be expanding/shrinking (compare earlier events/publications), who has larger/major $$ for large sponsorships or key advertising positions, "flavor" of what the company/organization is/isn't "pushing", etc. Note not only general, but also "classified" or "marketplace" advertising in publications may be of interest (e.g. specific job leads, potential networking leads/pointers, etc.). Also, quick skim of various materials may help with "feel" for news/growth/"hot" areas. [1]Information Week (relatively general, Information Technology) - Weekly hardcopy and on-line publication, free hardcopy with qualified subscription form (fill out form with typical "magic" / "good enough" numbers, and one gets it for free - typically using liberal numbers of logical OR of anything and everything one and/or one's company (or last 12 months of employment) that one has touched or been associated with will qualify one for most all of the publications I mention). Once upon a time I used to really enjoy getting and reading UNIX Today (despite the name, it was a hardcopy weekly) ... but that became Open Systems Today and was eventually subsumed into [2]Information Week. I used to enjoy [3]Information Week more - particularly when it was more technically oriented (such as just after it subsumed Open Systems Today) ... nowadays it's much more higher-level / business oriented, but it's still generally a pretty useful/informative read - or at least skim. This is one of the few freebie hardcopies I actually bothered to (re)subscribe to and am currently getting. [4]CIO Magazine (as in Chief Information Officer) I haven't looked at this one a whole lot, but when I have it always seemed at least fairly interesting to me. I believe it's significantly more high-level "business" oriented, though it is IT focused. I'm not sure if much or all of it might also be available on-line for free. Hardcopy subscription is free with qualified subscription form ... but the "magic numbers" might be trickier on that form - I'm pretty sure I tried at least once, and perhaps twice, and didn't get free hardcopy subscription (probably the only free with qualification form subscription I didn't actually get via such a form). [5]WITI - Women In Technology International was mentioned in the 2003-11-03 meeting. That also reminded me of Systers: [6]Systers - an informal organization for technical women in computing that began in 1987 as a small mailing list for women in "systems", thus the name Systers [7]Computer Technology Review - I used to really enjoy reading this :-) ... last I had (free with qualified form) hardcopy subscription, it was a monthly ("newspaper" format), with a glossy quarterly also. Definitely nerdly/scientific/technical (I fit somewhere in there), but it's a really good publication to get a nice sense of where the technology is likely to be heading in the 2 to 5 year time frame (plus also what's current production state-of-the-art). It tends to be more hardware oriented than software, but does reasonably cover important/critical software technology also. I believe it's also available on-line. [8]Sys Admin (mostly focused on/towards UNIX (and LINUX) Systems Administration) Hardcopy, not horribly expensive, may also have stuff (partially) on-line too (likely a feature/sample article, older issues, advertisers, etc.) I've been a long-time subscriber of this, but it is pretty much technically oriented. Also, *some* (free!) exposition registration(s) can get one a free hardcopy subscription (I think for one year). I believe I got a free year's subscription via [9]LISA conference and/or exposition registration (see [10]LISA reference(s) further below). [11]Slashdot - on-line only, and absolutely, definitely very technically/nerdly oriented ("News for nerds, stuff that matters"), however, it's an excellent resource for a few more general purposes in the IT (and to a lesser extent, scientific in general) realm: keep eye on advertisers, most of the commentary on articles is from a bunch of self-selecting nerds (good for feel of pulse, more technical references/discussion, but not much else), however the main articles often contain links to other sources that may be more generally interesting/useful. What I'd guess might be most/more generally useful on slashdot would be quick skim glance at advertisers, and skim over article headlines and lead text (all of which can be seen on a single not-too-huge web page), and then follow-up from there if/where something seems useful (otherwise go on to other resources). At any given time one goes to slashdot, one will just see stuff from the last 24 hours on that main web page, but one can read/skim backwards - over on the right there's a heading which says "Older Stuff" - select the link that corresponds to yesterday, and one gets quite similar web page for yesterday. This can be repeated recursively to effectively peruse backwards (relatively) indefinitely. [12]USENIX - The Advanced Computing Systems Association / [13]SAGE - The System Administrators GuildE (okay, so it appears they may have tweaked the SAGE motto, but that's where the name comes from historically) - Historically, SAGE was part of USENIX. Though I believe they're now technically separate, I tend to still think of them as tightly intertwined, and for most practical purposes, that probably is and will remain to be the case. These associations tend to be more - but not exclusively - technically oriented. Membership is (semi-)"moderately" priced - <~= $150.00 USD to cover both USENIX and SAGE. Membership does include subscription to [14];login: I believe it's monthly, or approximately monthly hardcopy. Without membership, one can still get to [15]issues of ;login: more than one year old on-line. I believe ;login: carries no advertising. It tends to be more technically oriented than not, but is by no means exclusively technically oriented (perhaps peruse/skim some older on-line issues to get a rough feel for it), and may cover a fair number of more general IT issues/areas. Some other USENIX/SAGE resources (with or without membership) might also be of potentially more interest. USENIX/SAGE puts on a great conference - LISA (Large Installations Systems Administration) ([16]LISA '03 [17]LISA '04) - which also includes a smallish (but very high quality) exhibition. I've been to two LISA conferences - they're great. They tend to approximately alternate between San Diego and some other location in the US. I also registered for the '03 exhibition portion - even though I wasn't planning to attend (though I was still seriously considering going to the conference on my own $$ this year; of the two times I went before, once I went entirely on my own $$ because my employer was too shortsighted (they almost entirely prohibited attendance of anything that contained the word "conference") to send me and I didn't want that to interfere that much with my career growth). One other great USENIX/SAGE resource are the annual [18]SAGE Salary Surveys. They have tons of good well analyzed information (far from being just a salary survey). If you're a non-member, you can look at the ones over one year old. The most recent one was actually a combined effort and also is available on-line without needing to be a member: [19]2002 SAGE/SANS/BigAdmin Annual Salary Survey. Might be useful for looking at trends and such (e.g. growth areas by (sub-)sector or geography, etc.). I've been a member of USENIX and SAGE more often than not for at least the past 6 years. Oh, ... not to forget, USENIX also does various other conferences and also often has training events at other conferences (e.g. LinuxWorld): [20]USENIX Events Calendar [21]SANS SANS is particularly great in the (IT and related physical) security realm. Though I haven't been to a SANS conference yet, what I've heard about their conferences, and what I've generally seen and know of SANS is excellent. It's certainly a conference that I would be very interested in attending. I'm not sure what, if anything, they may have in the way of hardcopy periodicals. [22]LinuxWorld - Conferences, expositions, etc. I think about every other LinuxWorld conference/exposition event is in San Francisco. From what I've heard, the events post-dot-com-fizzle aren't as big as they were at their peak, but they're still very respectably sized (I'm guestimating >=60% of prior peak size). When I went this year, they had Moscone North pretty well filled - not totally, and not bursting at the seams, but certainly well filled up most of the available space. Oh, they recently also created their own [23]LinuxWorld Magazine - it's definitely available as hardcopy (I don't think it's available in hardcopy for free), ... it's also available on-line (both browseable web pages, or as a largeish downloadable PDF to cover an entire issue). I haven't particularly read it yet, but at quick glance it seems like a decent publication. I'd guestimate it to be more "business" oriented than the many other LINUX magazines (which are mostly LINUX "user" oriented). Also, for glancing over LINUX magazines, this may be a useful starting point: [24]Google Directory: ... LINUX Magazines and E-zines. [25]Atlanta Linux Showcase / Annual Linux Showcase (ALS) - Unfortunately this one seriously fizzled after 2001 :-( Might want to give the web site a peek about every 6 months or so, just to see if it ever comes back to life. There might be some older materials available there, but I'd guestimate they may be getting a bit too dated to be particularly useful for "market" type information. I think most of what used to be covered under ALS shifted over into the realm of LinuxWorld and/or USENIX/SAGE/LISA (and/or SANS, etc.). First and only time I went to ALS was 2001 - it had its first change of venue at that time (to Oakland) - unfortunately it was not only into the dot-com-fizzle, but less than two months post 2001-09-11, and it ended up quite sparsely attended (vendors/exhibitors seemed to have about a 20 to 30% cancellation rate, attendance seemed to be a meager 10 to 20% of the facility's capacity - despite USENIX taking the unprecedented step, on 2001-10-12 of switching all the technical session registrations to being free) ... and unfortunately USENIX (and other major sponsors) lost a lot of money on the 2001 event. Oh well, ... what was there (conferences/tutorials/technical sessions, exhibition), etc., was great. Excellent, long established professional organizations/associations: * [26]Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) * [27]Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) I think membership in each of them is roughly USD $100.00/yr. I know ACM has excellent publications (they may be all or mostly advertisement free) ... not sure how useful the various publications may be, however, for purposes such as market research or vendor leads, etc. Many major vendors (e.g. commercial UNIX) also have their own conferences/exhibitions (and/or user groups). These various resources/leads may be worth checking out: * [28]HP World [HP-UX (Hewlett Packard's UNIX, etc.] * [29]USERblue [user-run, related to AIX (IBM's UNIX)] * [30]JavaOne (Sun Microsystems Java Technology, etc.) * [31]OracleWorld [often (always? - at least recently) occurs in San Francisco at Moscone] * [32]Macworld - fairly regularly in San Francisco (Moscone). Note that MacOS is now Unix (BSD) based, and such systems may even used now be used for quite huge computing projects, e.g.: [33]"Virginia Tech's 'Big Mac' Power Mac G5 cluster has secured its place as the third fastest supercomputer in the world." * [34]NetWorld + Interop It's networking/internetworking/interoperability focused. I went to this many times when it was just Interop. I think last time I went was somewhere in the range of 1992-1995. Last time I went, Moscone North was quite recently opened, and Interop had both Moscone North and Moscone South not only completely filled, but totally packed and very much bursting at the seams (they were also pretty much using any and all space within the Moscone North and South complexes - including packing rooms on many floors of Moscone South). That was when FDDI was still cutting/bleeding edge technology (the prior year there was no FDDI at the show (possibly excluding inside some vendor's booth) ... the last year they were in San Francisco they were dependent upon FDDI to cover traversing the large distance between Moscone North and Moscone South. Interop always featured a very impressive live show network (they had their very own Internet class A network) and to the extent feasible, they try to have every vendor connected to the network and hopefully doing something useful with it (definitely a big event for network equipment providers, and for them to be able to actively test the interoperability of their equipment on a live network and with quite a variety of systems and activity on the network). Anyway, I digress ... At least historically, Interop was more "Open Systems"/IP/UNIX oriented (with a bit of OSI, SNA, big iron, etc.), and NetWorld was I believe more oriented towards networking DOS/Windows/Novell (IPX/IP, perhaps also AppleTalk?). I believe presently it's pretty much all pulled together under NetWorld + Interop. When they left San Francisco and went to Las Vegas, they did so because "Las Vegas was the only place they could fit" (I believe they've been there since). They also merged with NetWorld as they moved (which kind of made sense anyway, as with the move, they could fit together, and the two "worlds" were increasingly moving towards and interoperating primarily over/via IP anyway). * [35]Comdex Huge event/show, blah, blah, ... might be some useful stuff/leads there. * [36]UniForum Once upon a time, UniForum used to do huge conferences and exhibitions (e.g. typically annually filling Moscone South). While far from "dead", I think much of what UniForum used to do can now be found in areas such as USENIX/SAGE/LISA, SANS, LinuxWorld, etc. UniForum does continue to do stuff and have conferences and training and such, so it's still probably worth poking around their web site at least once in a while to see what's up. Also, I don't know if they still do, but they at least used to have an excellent Open Systems Product Directory (also good for vendor leads) - I can't find that presently with quick search - seems it's likely gone away or been renamed or been superseded or supplanted by something else (like The Web; the OSPD used to be available via a very fat softback bound volume (or volume(s)?), or on CD-ROM(s).) References 1. http://www.iweek.com/ 2. http://www.iweek.com/ 3. http://www.iweek.com/ 4. http://www.cio.com/ 5. http://www.witi.com/ 6. http://www.systers.org/ 7. http://www.wwpi.com/Home_CTR.asp 8. http://www.sysadminmag.com/ 9. (see "LISA (Large Installations Systems Administration) just before [16]) 10. (see "LISA (Large Installations Systems Administration) just before [16]) 11. http://slashdot.org/ 12. http://www.usenix.org/ 13. http://sageweb.sage.org/ 14. http://www.usenix.org/publications/login/login.html 15. http://www.usenix.org/publications/login/online.html 16. http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa03/ 17. http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa04/ 18. http://sageweb.sage.org/jobs/salary_survey/ 19. http://sageweb.sage.org/jobs/salary_survey/2002/2002SalarySurvey.pdf 20. http://www.usenix.org/events/ 21. http://www.sans.org/ 22. http://www.linuxworld.com/ 23. http://www.linuxworld.com/magazine/ 24. http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/News_and_Media/Magazines_and_E-zines/?il=1 25. http://www.linuxshowcase.org/ 26. http://www.acm.org/ 27. http://www.ieee.org/ 28. http://www.hpworld.com/ 29. http://www.userblue.org/ 30. http://servlet.java.sun.com/javaone/ 31. http://www.oracle.com/oracleworld/ 32. http://www.macworld.com/ 33. http://www.macobserver.com/article/2003/11/05.11.shtml 34. http://www.interop.com/ 35. http://www.comdex.com/ 36. http://www.uniforum.org/ From jon at rejon.org Fri Jul 22 17:26:07 2005 From: jon at rejon.org (Jon Phillips) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:26:07 -0700 Subject: [buug] conferences, publications, associations, _Computer-Related Risks_, etc. (follow-up from the BUUG 2005-07-21 meeting) In-Reply-To: <1122026906.42e0c59a2d535@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <1122026906.42e0c59a2d535@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <1122078367.13196.67.camel@localhost> Cool...thanks for the nice list! Jon On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 03:08 -0700, Michael Paoli wrote: > conferences, publications, associations, _Computer-Related Risks_, etc. > (follow-up from the BUUG 2005-07-21 meeting) > > The BALE -- Bay Area Linux Events > http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ > > I *strongly* recommend this for all persons in software, programming, > or computer related professions, related hardware/design/management > and/or management of any of those areas thereof. Also recommended in > general for any engineering/nuclear/power/electrical/electronics realms > and risks, risk prevention and analysis in general also, and most any > areas dependent upon or significantly impacted by any of those > technologies: > _Computer-Related Risks_ > http://www.csl.sri.com/users/neumann/neumann.html#4 > > Illustrative Risks to the Public in the Use of Computer Systems and Related > Technology > This list is supurb, and terse/concise (but long) reading with > references (one line per incident, 620,612 bytes total, wc gives me about: > 16820 97762 627204, on the text, not including URL references). It is > probably much more valuable to read after reading _Computer-Related > Risks_, and makes an excellent supplement to _Computer-Related Risks_ Be > sure to have handy and/or familiarize one's self first with the > "Descriptor Symbols" key towards the start of that list when reading > through the list. > http://www.csl.sri.com/users/neumann/illustrative.html > > ... and closely related to _Computer-Related Risks_: > the Risks Forum: > http://www.csl.sri.com/users/neumann/neumann.html#3 > > BugTraq: > http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1 > > UNIX Review: > http://www.unixreview.com/ > > And the next Bay Area Debian (BAD) meeting and such: > http://bad.debian.net/list/2005-July/002951.html > http://bad.debian.net/list/2005-July/002952.html > > Oh, and LinuxWorld and Expo vendors (and .org pavilion exhibitors), and > Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings, etc.: > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/ > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/conference/special > > And a bunch more stuff and details (references towards the end) from > some materials I prepared a while back (~2003-11-10, was with a slant > towards being a set of related tips regarding doing job searches and > such). References (URLs) are towards the bottom - appologies if there > may be some link rot in there, but most of the URLs should still be > correct and reasonably current (and if not that, probably findable via > Google or such). > > (Technical and other): Conferences/Expositions, Publications, Associations, > etc. > > I'll attempt to cover these items from more/most general, to more > specific (towards technical/UNIX/LINUX and related). > > One thing that may be of interest regarding conferences and such, is > these tend to generally include exhibitions (some of them seem more > exhibition oriented than conference oriented), and for most of them, > one can register for the exhibition portions of the events for free > (typically on-line, or sometimes via a mail-in form), and often in > particular ahead of some early registration or mail-in/on-line > registration cutoff deadline. Even if one has no intention to > physically attend the event, registering for such free exhibition > stuff can be quite useful (sometimes also includes some useful free > hardcopy publication subscription), can get one > information/leads/information on vendors, advertisers, sponsors, etc. > Note that with such registrations, one may want to explicitly "opt > out" of most of the e-mail option stuff (to avoid having some, many, > or most all of the vendors sending e-mail items and/or passing your > e-mail address on to their "partners", etc.). Also, many of the major > exhibitions/conferences often come to San Francisco (typically Moscone > Convention Center - I'd guestimate probably somewhere from 30 to 60% > of the time, on average) - or other locations in the San Francisco Bay > Area that may be reasonably convenient. If one can get to the > exhibition, that can be rather/quite useful - if nothing else, picking > up program guide (and addendum/update/errata) can be quite useful > (advertisers, directory of vendors/exhibitors - often also including > categorized listings). In addition to that, "working" the exhibition > floor (for information, contacts, leads, general networking, etc.) can > be quite useful/informative. If one does go to an exhibition to "work" > the floor, having advance listing of vendors/exhibitors and having > researched where one wants to concentrate one's time/focus may be > advantageous (but it may not always be easy or possible to get > vendor/exhibitor listing in advance). > > Advertisers/Exhibitors/Sponsors. Noting who is (and isn't) exhibiting, > selling, advertising, sponsoring, (and relative sizes of these > things), etc. can provide useful insight into who's got products to > sell, who may be expanding/shrinking (compare earlier > events/publications), who has larger/major $$ for large sponsorships > or key advertising positions, "flavor" of what the > company/organization is/isn't "pushing", etc. Note not only general, > but also "classified" or "marketplace" advertising in publications may > be of interest (e.g. specific job leads, potential networking > leads/pointers, etc.). Also, quick skim of various materials may help > with "feel" for news/growth/"hot" areas. > > [1]Information Week (relatively general, Information Technology) - > Weekly hardcopy and on-line publication, free hardcopy with qualified > subscription form (fill out form with typical "magic" / "good enough" > numbers, and one gets it for free - typically using liberal numbers of > logical OR of anything and everything one and/or one's company (or > last 12 months of employment) that one has touched or been associated > with will qualify one for most all of the publications I mention). > Once upon a time I used to really enjoy getting and reading UNIX Today > (despite the name, it was a hardcopy weekly) ... but that became Open > Systems Today and was eventually subsumed into [2]Information Week. I > used to enjoy [3]Information Week more - particularly when it was more > technically oriented (such as just after it subsumed Open Systems > Today) ... nowadays it's much more higher-level / business oriented, > but it's still generally a pretty useful/informative read - or at > least skim. This is one of the few freebie hardcopies I actually > bothered to (re)subscribe to and am currently getting. > > [4]CIO Magazine (as in Chief Information Officer) I haven't looked at > this one a whole lot, but when I have it always seemed at least fairly > interesting to me. I believe it's significantly more high-level > "business" oriented, though it is IT focused. I'm not sure if much or > all of it might also be available on-line for free. Hardcopy > subscription is free with qualified subscription form ... but the > "magic numbers" might be trickier on that form - I'm pretty sure I > tried at least once, and perhaps twice, and didn't get free hardcopy > subscription (probably the only free with qualification form > subscription I didn't actually get via such a form). > > [5]WITI - Women In Technology International was mentioned in the > 2003-11-03 meeting. > > That also reminded me of Systers: [6]Systers - an informal > organization for technical women in computing that began in 1987 as a > small mailing list for women in "systems", thus the name Systers > > [7]Computer Technology Review - I used to really enjoy reading this > :-) ... last I had (free with qualified form) hardcopy subscription, > it was a monthly ("newspaper" format), with a glossy quarterly also. > Definitely nerdly/scientific/technical (I fit somewhere in there), but > it's a really good publication to get a nice sense of where the > technology is likely to be heading in the 2 to 5 year time frame (plus > also what's current production state-of-the-art). It tends to be more > hardware oriented than software, but does reasonably cover > important/critical software technology also. I believe it's also > available on-line. > > [8]Sys Admin (mostly focused on/towards UNIX (and LINUX) Systems > Administration) Hardcopy, not horribly expensive, may also have stuff > (partially) on-line too (likely a feature/sample article, older > issues, advertisers, etc.) I've been a long-time subscriber of this, > but it is pretty much technically oriented. Also, *some* (free!) > exposition registration(s) can get one a free hardcopy subscription (I > think for one year). I believe I got a free year's subscription via > [9]LISA conference and/or exposition registration (see [10]LISA > reference(s) further below). > > [11]Slashdot - on-line only, and absolutely, definitely very > technically/nerdly oriented ("News for nerds, stuff that matters"), > however, it's an excellent resource for a few more general purposes in > the IT (and to a lesser extent, scientific in general) realm: keep eye > on advertisers, most of the commentary on articles is from a bunch of > self-selecting nerds (good for feel of pulse, more technical > references/discussion, but not much else), however the main articles > often contain links to other sources that may be more generally > interesting/useful. What I'd guess might be most/more generally useful > on slashdot would be quick skim glance at advertisers, and skim over > article headlines and lead text (all of which can be seen on a single > not-too-huge web page), and then follow-up from there if/where > something seems useful (otherwise go on to other resources). At any > given time one goes to slashdot, one will just see stuff from the last > 24 hours on that main web page, but one can read/skim backwards - over > on the right there's a heading which says "Older Stuff" - select the > link that corresponds to yesterday, and one gets quite similar web > page for yesterday. This can be repeated recursively to effectively > peruse backwards (relatively) indefinitely. > > [12]USENIX - The Advanced Computing Systems Association / [13]SAGE - > The System Administrators GuildE (okay, so it appears they may have > tweaked the SAGE motto, but that's where the name comes from > historically) - Historically, SAGE was part of USENIX. Though I > believe they're now technically separate, I tend to still think of > them as tightly intertwined, and for most practical purposes, that > probably is and will remain to be the case. These associations tend to > be more - but not exclusively - technically oriented. Membership is > (semi-)"moderately" priced - <~= $150.00 USD to cover both USENIX and > SAGE. Membership does include subscription to [14];login: I believe > it's monthly, or approximately monthly hardcopy. Without membership, > one can still get to [15]issues of ;login: more than one year old > on-line. I believe ;login: carries no advertising. It tends to be more > technically oriented than not, but is by no means exclusively > technically oriented (perhaps peruse/skim some older on-line issues to > get a rough feel for it), and may cover a fair number of more general > IT issues/areas. Some other USENIX/SAGE resources (with or without > membership) might also be of potentially more interest. USENIX/SAGE > puts on a great conference - LISA (Large Installations Systems > Administration) ([16]LISA '03 [17]LISA '04) - which also includes a > smallish (but very high quality) exhibition. I've been to two LISA > conferences - they're great. They tend to approximately alternate > between San Diego and some other location in the US. I also registered > for the '03 exhibition portion - even though I wasn't planning to > attend (though I was still seriously considering going to the > conference on my own $$ this year; of the two times I went before, > once I went entirely on my own $$ because my employer was too > shortsighted (they almost entirely prohibited attendance of anything > that contained the word "conference") to send me and I didn't want > that to interfere that much with my career growth). One other great > USENIX/SAGE resource are the annual [18]SAGE Salary Surveys. They have > tons of good well analyzed information (far from being just a salary > survey). If you're a non-member, you can look at the ones over one > year old. The most recent one was actually a combined effort and also > is available on-line without needing to be a member: [19]2002 > SAGE/SANS/BigAdmin Annual Salary Survey. Might be useful for looking > at trends and such (e.g. growth areas by (sub-)sector or geography, > etc.). I've been a member of USENIX and SAGE more often than not for > at least the past 6 years. Oh, ... not to forget, USENIX also does > various other conferences and also often has training events at other > conferences (e.g. LinuxWorld): [20]USENIX Events Calendar > > [21]SANS SANS is particularly great in the (IT and related physical) > security realm. Though I haven't been to a SANS conference yet, what > I've heard about their conferences, and what I've generally seen and > know of SANS is excellent. It's certainly a conference that I would be > very interested in attending. I'm not sure what, if anything, they may > have in the way of hardcopy periodicals. > > [22]LinuxWorld - Conferences, expositions, etc. I think about every > other LinuxWorld conference/exposition event is in San Francisco. From > what I've heard, the events post-dot-com-fizzle aren't as big as they > were at their peak, but they're still very respectably sized (I'm > guestimating >=60% of prior peak size). When I went this year, they > had Moscone North pretty well filled - not totally, and not bursting > at the seams, but certainly well filled up most of the available > space. Oh, they recently also created their own [23]LinuxWorld > Magazine - it's definitely available as hardcopy (I don't think it's > available in hardcopy for free), ... it's also available on-line (both > browseable web pages, or as a largeish downloadable PDF to cover an > entire issue). I haven't particularly read it yet, but at quick glance > it seems like a decent publication. I'd guestimate it to be more > "business" oriented than the many other LINUX magazines (which are > mostly LINUX "user" oriented). Also, for glancing over LINUX > magazines, this may be a useful starting point: [24]Google Directory: > ... LINUX Magazines and E-zines. > > [25]Atlanta Linux Showcase / Annual Linux Showcase (ALS) - > Unfortunately this one seriously fizzled after 2001 :-( Might want to > give the web site a peek about every 6 months or so, just to see if it > ever comes back to life. There might be some older materials available > there, but I'd guestimate they may be getting a bit too dated to be > particularly useful for "market" type information. I think most of > what used to be covered under ALS shifted over into the realm of > LinuxWorld and/or USENIX/SAGE/LISA (and/or SANS, etc.). First and only > time I went to ALS was 2001 - it had its first change of venue at that > time (to Oakland) - unfortunately it was not only into the > dot-com-fizzle, but less than two months post 2001-09-11, and it ended > up quite sparsely attended (vendors/exhibitors seemed to have about a > 20 to 30% cancellation rate, attendance seemed to be a meager 10 to > 20% of the facility's capacity - despite USENIX taking the > unprecedented step, on 2001-10-12 of switching all the technical > session registrations to being free) ... and unfortunately USENIX (and > other major sponsors) lost a lot of money on the 2001 event. Oh well, > ... what was there (conferences/tutorials/technical sessions, > exhibition), etc., was great. > > Excellent, long established professional organizations/associations: > * [26]Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) > * [27]Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) > > I think membership in each of them is roughly USD $100.00/yr. I know > ACM has excellent publications (they may be all or mostly > advertisement free) ... not sure how useful the various publications > may be, however, for purposes such as market research or vendor leads, > etc. > > Many major vendors (e.g. commercial UNIX) also have their own > conferences/exhibitions (and/or user groups). These various > resources/leads may be worth checking out: > * [28]HP World [HP-UX (Hewlett Packard's UNIX, etc.] > * [29]USERblue [user-run, related to AIX (IBM's UNIX)] > * [30]JavaOne (Sun Microsystems Java Technology, etc.) > * [31]OracleWorld [often (always? - at least recently) occurs in San > Francisco at Moscone] > * [32]Macworld - fairly regularly in San Francisco (Moscone). Note > that MacOS is now Unix (BSD) based, and such systems may even used > now be used for quite huge computing projects, e.g.: [33]"Virginia > Tech's 'Big Mac' Power Mac G5 cluster has secured its place as the > third fastest supercomputer in the world." > > * [34]NetWorld + Interop It's > networking/internetworking/interoperability focused. I went to > this many times when it was just Interop. I think last time I went > was somewhere in the range of 1992-1995. Last time I went, Moscone > North was quite recently opened, and Interop had both Moscone > North and Moscone South not only completely filled, but totally > packed and very much bursting at the seams (they were also pretty > much using any and all space within the Moscone North and South > complexes - including packing rooms on many floors of Moscone > South). That was when FDDI was still cutting/bleeding edge > technology (the prior year there was no FDDI at the show (possibly > excluding inside some vendor's booth) ... the last year they were > in San Francisco they were dependent upon FDDI to cover traversing > the large distance between Moscone North and Moscone South. > Interop always featured a very impressive live show network (they > had their very own Internet class A network) and to the extent > feasible, they try to have every vendor connected to the network > and hopefully doing something useful with it (definitely a big > event for network equipment providers, and for them to be able to > actively test the interoperability of their equipment on a live > network and with quite a variety of systems and activity on the > network). Anyway, I digress ... At least historically, Interop was > more "Open Systems"/IP/UNIX oriented (with a bit of OSI, SNA, big > iron, etc.), and NetWorld was I believe more oriented towards > networking DOS/Windows/Novell (IPX/IP, perhaps also AppleTalk?). I > believe presently it's pretty much all pulled together under > NetWorld + Interop. When they left San Francisco and went to Las > Vegas, they did so because "Las Vegas was the only place they > could fit" (I believe they've been there since). They also merged > with NetWorld as they moved (which kind of made sense anyway, as > with the move, they could fit together, and the two "worlds" were > increasingly moving towards and interoperating primarily over/via > IP anyway). > * [35]Comdex Huge event/show, blah, blah, ... might be some useful > stuff/leads there. > * [36]UniForum Once upon a time, UniForum used to do huge > conferences and exhibitions (e.g. typically annually filling > Moscone South). While far from "dead", I think much of what > UniForum used to do can now be found in areas such as > USENIX/SAGE/LISA, SANS, LinuxWorld, etc. UniForum does continue to > do stuff and have conferences and training and such, so it's still > probably worth poking around their web site at least once in a > while to see what's up. Also, I don't know if they still do, but > they at least used to have an excellent Open Systems Product > Directory (also good for vendor leads) - I can't find that > presently with quick search - seems it's likely gone away or been > renamed or been superseded or supplanted by something else (like > The Web; the OSPD used to be available via a very fat softback > bound volume (or volume(s)?), or on CD-ROM(s).) > > References > > 1. http://www.iweek.com/ > 2. http://www.iweek.com/ > 3. http://www.iweek.com/ > 4. http://www.cio.com/ > 5. http://www.witi.com/ > 6. http://www.systers.org/ > 7. http://www.wwpi.com/Home_CTR.asp > 8. http://www.sysadminmag.com/ > 9. (see "LISA (Large Installations Systems Administration) just before [16]) > 10. (see "LISA (Large Installations Systems Administration) just before [16]) > 11. http://slashdot.org/ > 12. http://www.usenix.org/ > 13. http://sageweb.sage.org/ > 14. http://www.usenix.org/publications/login/login.html > 15. http://www.usenix.org/publications/login/online.html > 16. http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa03/ > 17. http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa04/ > 18. http://sageweb.sage.org/jobs/salary_survey/ > 19. http://sageweb.sage.org/jobs/salary_survey/2002/2002SalarySurvey.pdf > 20. http://www.usenix.org/events/ > 21. http://www.sans.org/ > 22. http://www.linuxworld.com/ > 23. http://www.linuxworld.com/magazine/ > 24. > http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/News_and_Media/Magazines_and_E-zines/?il=1 > 25. http://www.linuxshowcase.org/ > 26. http://www.acm.org/ > 27. http://www.ieee.org/ > 28. http://www.hpworld.com/ > 29. http://www.userblue.org/ > 30. http://servlet.java.sun.com/javaone/ > 31. http://www.oracle.com/oracleworld/ > 32. http://www.macworld.com/ > 33. http://www.macobserver.com/article/2003/11/05.11.shtml > 34. http://www.interop.com/ > 35. http://www.comdex.com/ > 36. http://www.uniforum.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon at rejon.org http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) From mp at rawbw.com Sat Jul 23 05:14:25 2005 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:14:25 -0700 Subject: [buug] Free LinuxWorld Exhibits Pass, on or before 2005-08-07 use ... Message-ID: <1122120865.42e234a11f9fe@webmail.rawbw.com> Free LinuxWorld Exhibits Pass, on or before 2005-08-07 use ... I managed to find/"stumble"* across this: Free LinuxWorld Exhibits Pass, use on or before 2005-08-07 ... Priority Code B0401 or Priority Code NONE Exhibits Pass gets you: Includes 3 days of Exhibits: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition Keynotes and Feature Presentations: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/keynotes Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/conference/special Gee, I thought I'd found something more interesting/useful with Priority Code B0401, but also looks like Priority Code NONE will still get you a free Exhibits Pass through 2005-08-07. Apparently, for these Priority Codes to get you free access, it must be used on or before 2005-08-07, and it may be the case it only works for the on-line registration (I'd guestimate if not at this point, that soon, advance on-line registration won't result in badges and such being sent out, but held for pick-up at the event, likely in a pre-registered badge pick-up area (and one probably needs corresponding ID to pick up the badge - pretty much post 2001-09-11 ID is required anyway to pick up the required badge holder, even if the badge is mailed to you in advance)). Also, Bay Area Debian (BAD): http://bad.debian/net will be meeting August 10, 2005 starting at 7:00 P.M. PDT: http://bad.debian.net/list/2005-July/002951.html including keysigning: http://bad.debian.net/list/2005-July/002952.html quite shortly after the conclusion of and conveniently close to the 2005-08-10 LinuxWorld Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings LinuxWorld Conference and Expo http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/ August 8-11 2005, The Moscone Center, San Francisco, CA http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A San Francisco Online Attendee Registration: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register///CC961706 Exposition August 9-11 2005 http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition Exhibitor List (includes .org Pavilion organizations/groups) http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition/exhibitorlist .org Pavilion http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition/CC999813 Keynotes and Feature Presentations http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/keynotes Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/conference/special *find/"stumble": I started with some Google searches for priority code(s) that might still be good for free Exhibits Pass, after some false positives (but long before giving up on probable search results), I searched backwards, case insensitive, for the string "priority code" in my e-mail ... first one I came across (B0401) worked. Oddly, when I looked to see what e-mail that was in, it wasn't even for LinuxWorld, but for another IDG World Expo event. Then I also tried "NONE", and to my surprise, that seemed to also cover free Exhibits Pass through 2005-08-07 (whereas I was expecting "NONE" to only work for that for free through 2005-07-15). From jon at rejon.org Sun Jul 24 13:34:34 2005 From: jon at rejon.org (Jon Phillips) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:34:34 -0700 Subject: [buug] help / newbie In-Reply-To: <20050719193803.77856.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050719193803.77856.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1122237274.9765.66.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 12:38 -0700, Gabriel Gabriel wrote: > Hello: Thanks very much for your help. I got Gnome > up and running. Now ( as you may figure )I have other > problems. One of them is hooking my machine to > Windows-based networks; so far I've been able to ping > the routers/servers with a response, but I catn't surf > the Net. Huh? Did you setup samba? I need more information...maybe others from the list can chime in as well... > Thanks again for your help from the previous mail and > if you have the time/will/knowledge to shed some light > on these prob, it'll be appreciated too!! Cool, I'm cc'ing the list so that others can benefit from our discussion. Jon > --- Jon Phillips wrote: > > > On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 10:58 -0700, Gabriel Gabriel > > wrote: > > > Hello: I'm new to FreeBSD. I tried it on VMWare > > > virtual machines and I managed to bring it up all > > the > > > way to the Gnome graphical environment but, as > > soon as > > > I installed it on a real machine I got trouble. > > I've > > > tried unsuccessfully to start a Gnome session on 2 > > > different machines: a PIII Compaq and a 2800+ > > Athlon > > > machine. The latter is the one I'm interested in > > > running FreeBSD (v 5.4). I have an Athlon proc. > > 2800+ > > > class, a Gigabyte 7nnxp mobo and an ATI 9600 > > Radeon > > > video card. Everything seems to work fine and > > install > > > fine, but I can't start Gnome. I tried with and > > > without ATI's Linux/Xorg driver and keep on > > getting > > > error messages. "failure to initialize core > > devices" > > > "no matching section found for device XXXX" (the > > card > > > installs as two devices on Win XP and Win 2k3). > > > Apparently the "no matchin section found..." is > > for > > > the second???? part of the card. Can anybody shed > > > some light on me? plz! ThX! > > > > Sounds like you are having a problem with X windows. > > Try to do from the > > commandline: > > > > startx > > > > Copy and paste what is output from that... > > > > Also, try: > > > > X -probeonly > > > > > > And paste the output back in an email. > > > > What it sounds like you need is to get your X > > configuration file sorted > > and then start your system. Someone who is familiar > > with freebsd's X > > configuration could probably help you even better > > than me. > > > > To generate a new config file from X, you can > > generate a new X configure > > file by doing : > > > > X -configure > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > -- > > Jon Phillips > > > > USA PH 510.499.0894 > > jon at rejon.org > > http://www.rejon.org > > > > Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) > > Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon at rejon.org http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) From jon at rejon.org Sun Jul 24 13:56:22 2005 From: jon at rejon.org (Jon Phillips) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:56:22 -0700 Subject: [buug] Free LinuxWorld Exhibits Pass, on or before 2005-08-07 use ... In-Reply-To: <1122120865.42e234a11f9fe@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <1122120865.42e234a11f9fe@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <1122238582.9765.87.camel@localhost> Cool! Thanks for doing the searches! Jon On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 05:14 -0700, Michael Paoli wrote: > Free LinuxWorld Exhibits Pass, on or before 2005-08-07 use ... > > I managed to find/"stumble"* across this: > Free LinuxWorld Exhibits Pass, use on or before 2005-08-07 ... > Priority Code B0401 > or > Priority Code NONE > > Exhibits Pass gets you: > Includes 3 days of Exhibits: > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition > Keynotes and Feature Presentations: > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/keynotes > Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings: > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/conference/special > > Gee, I thought I'd found something more interesting/useful with Priority > Code B0401, but also looks like Priority Code NONE will still get you a > free Exhibits Pass through 2005-08-07. > > Apparently, for these Priority Codes to get you free access, it must be > used on or before 2005-08-07, and it may be the case it only works for > the on-line registration (I'd guestimate if not at this point, that > soon, advance on-line registration won't result in badges and such > being sent out, but held for pick-up at the event, likely in a > pre-registered badge pick-up area (and one probably needs corresponding > ID to pick up the badge - pretty much post 2001-09-11 ID is required > anyway to pick up the required badge holder, even if the badge is > mailed to you in advance)). > > Also, Bay Area Debian (BAD): > http://bad.debian/net > will be meeting August 10, 2005 starting at 7:00 P.M. PDT: > http://bad.debian.net/list/2005-July/002951.html > including keysigning: > http://bad.debian.net/list/2005-July/002952.html > quite shortly after the conclusion of and conveniently close to the > 2005-08-10 LinuxWorld Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings > > > LinuxWorld Conference and Expo > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/ > > August 8-11 2005, The Moscone Center, San Francisco, CA > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A > San Francisco Online Attendee Registration: > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register///CC961706 > > Exposition August 9-11 2005 > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition > Exhibitor List (includes .org Pavilion organizations/groups) > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition/exhibitorlist > .org Pavilion > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/exposition/CC999813 > > Keynotes and Feature Presentations > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/keynotes > > Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12SFO05A/conference/special > > > *find/"stumble": > I started with some Google searches for priority code(s) that might > still be good for free Exhibits Pass, after some false positives (but > long before giving up on probable search results), I searched > backwards, case insensitive, for the string "priority code" in my > e-mail ... first one I came across (B0401) worked. Oddly, when I > looked to see what e-mail that was in, it wasn't even for LinuxWorld, > but for another IDG World Expo event. Then I also tried "NONE", and to > my surprise, that seemed to also cover free Exhibits Pass through > 2005-08-07 (whereas I was expecting "NONE" to only work for that for > free through 2005-07-15). > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 jon at rejon.org http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: rejon at gristle.org IRC: rejon at irc.freenode.net Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org)