From webmaster at hawaiidakine.com Mon Nov 7 09:16:38 2005 From: webmaster at hawaiidakine.com (Al Plant) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:16:38 -1000 Subject: [buug] T1 line install Message-ID: <436F8BF6.90409@hawaiidakine.com> Aloha Gurus! I have a chance to install a T1 line at my house. Can any one point me to a how to for connecting the RJ45 handoff to my office network? (components needed etc.) Also would like to know if a data sheet is available for a CSU/DSU setup. And is a Farallon Ether 10T Starlet/16 a switch or a router or CSU/DSU? Thanks, Al Plant -- Webmaster- http://hawaiidakine.com Admin- http://freebsdinfo.org -- Supporting Open Source Computing - - FreeBSD 4.11/6.* -- Debian Linux 3* "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carroll From michelle_berg at yahoo.com Tue Nov 8 09:51:49 2005 From: michelle_berg at yahoo.com (Michelle) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:51:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] HP Unix Workstation Message-ID: <20051108175149.42760.qmail@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello All, I need a little help. I am a former Unix Admin who has been out of the game for a few years. I am looking to return to the field, but want to brush up on old skills. I would like to purchase a HP Unix workstation for my home, but I don't have the first clue what is or isn't good. I am hoping some of you can give me some ideas on what to purchase. I have gone to a number of refurbished HP UNIX boxes web sites, but again what to buy, what to buy. Here is what I am looking to do to start: 1. Brush up on my old skills, i.e. shell scripting, line command, file and disk manipulation, etc. Basic admin stuff and I want to run my own web server which includes cgi/perl scripting. Anything to help. Thanks. Michelle --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shaw at vranix.com Tue Nov 8 10:36:43 2005 From: shaw at vranix.com (Shaw Vrana) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:36:43 -0800 Subject: [buug] HP Unix Workstation In-Reply-To: <20051108175149.42760.qmail@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051108175149.42760.qmail@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4370F03B.2080703@vranix.com> Hi Michelle, > 1. Brush up on my old skills, i.e. shell scripting, line command, file > and disk manipulation, etc. Basic admin stuff and I want to run my own > web server which includes cgi/perl scripting. Do you have a particular interest in HPUX? If not, you could easily get an old Intel box and install a version of GNU/Linux or *BSD on it. This would probably be the cheapest option as just about any box would do and you'd have access to a widely used, enterprise-level Unix-like system. Perhaps even easiest, would be to boot your current machine from a bootable Linux distribution like Knoppix or Ubuntu. HTH, Shaw From brian at dessent.net Tue Nov 8 14:02:26 2005 From: brian at dessent.net (Brian Dessent) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:02:26 -0800 Subject: [buug] HP Unix Workstation References: <20051108175149.42760.qmail@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4370F03B.2080703@vranix.com> Message-ID: <43712072.5CE52AA7@dessent.net> Shaw Vrana wrote: > > 1. Brush up on my old skills, i.e. shell scripting, line command, file > > and disk manipulation, etc. Basic admin stuff and I want to run my own > > web server which includes cgi/perl scripting. > > Do you have a particular interest in HPUX? If not, you could easily get > an old Intel box and install a version of GNU/Linux or *BSD on it. This > would probably be the cheapest option as just about any box would do and > you'd have access to a widely used, enterprise-level Unix-like system. > Perhaps even easiest, would be to boot your current machine from a > bootable Linux distribution like Knoppix or Ubuntu. Or, take the money you would have spent on the hardware at ebay and buy a copy of VMware. Then install images of CentOS, Suse, Fedora, Gentoo, Mandriva, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris x86, and Darwin x86. The breadth you would get from being familiar with all of those seems to me like it would be a lot more valuable than the depth of knowing one certain flavor of a proprietary unix. Brian From mp at rawbw.com Tue Nov 8 23:02:57 2005 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 23:02:57 -0800 Subject: [buug] Re: HP Unix Workstation & UNIX, etc. practice In-Reply-To: <20051108175149.42760.qmail@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051108175149.42760.qmail@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1131519777.43719f214f9dc@webmail.rawbw.com> HP-UX is by no means dead, but it's not exactly one of the fastest growing, or comparatively fastest growing areas, in the UNIX/LINUX/BSD/... realm. Short of needing to directly run HP-UX on your own hardware, or similarly for AIX and SPARC (but not x86) Solaris, you should be able to run pretty much any major relatively "surviving" distribution/flavor on some reasonable x86 hardware. E.g. that would cover: major LINUX distributions major BSD distributions Solaris x86 and "only" miss HP-UX and AIX. Tru64 is on an HP-UX convergent path, SGI appears to be rapidly fading (may be subsumed into something else). Is there anything else? (They're SCO, but they're pretty minor these days, and likely to eat themselves into non-existence, or be eaten by their lawyer bills, or otherwise just fade away or be consumed or subsumed). For those other platforms (e.g. HP-UX, AIX, SPARC Solaris (mostly like x86 Solaris, except some of the lower level details)), you might also look into volunteer opportunities, internships, etc. If you can't find opportunity to practice on the systems, there are newsgroups and mailing lists. Try to read all the questions and figure out the answers, and read all the "answers" too, for the useful but unexpected stuff (like practical advice how vendor X's utility Y sucks, doesn't behave as documented, generally blows up, and to effectively work around it, one should generally Z). There are also freely available UNIX accounts of various flavors to be had out on the Internet - typically they won't give you superuser (root) access to practice doing systems administration, but you might be quite able to practice shell scripting, various command line stuff, perhaps some other programming stuff, etc. references/excerpts: Quite dated materials, but some of it still useful: http://web.archive.org/web/20000311200952/www.crl.com/~michaelp/unix/free_and_frugal_unix_starts.html Free shell accounts: http://m-net.arbornet.org/ Apparently lots more free shell acounts out there: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22free+shell+accounts%22+bsd+OR+unix+OR+linux&btnG=Google+Search Volunteer opportunities, e.g.: http://www.volunteermatch.org/ http://www.compumentor.org/ (some of them have sucky search capabilties, a reasonable search engine can help a lot in that regard, e.g.: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Avolunteermatch.org+unix+OR+%22hp-ux%22+OR+%22bsd%22+OR+linux+OR+solaris&btnG=Google+Search ) Quoting Michelle : > I need a little help. I am a former Unix Admin who has been out of the game > for a few years. I am looking to return to the field, but want to brush up > on old skills. I would like to purchase a HP Unix workstation for my home, > but I don't have the first clue what is or isn't good. I am hoping some of > you can give me some ideas on what to purchase. I have gone to a number of > refurbished HP UNIX boxes web sites, but again what to buy, what to buy. > Here is what I am looking to do to start: > 1. Brush up on my old skills, i.e. shell scripting, line command, file and > disk manipulation, etc. Basic admin stuff and I want to run my own web > server which includes cgi/perl scripting. From mp at rawbw.com Wed Nov 9 07:30:01 2005 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:30:01 -0800 Subject: [buug] Re: HP-UX on x86 In-Reply-To: <1131519777.43719f214f9dc@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <20051108175149.42760.qmail@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1131519777.43719f214f9dc@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <1131550201.437215f94c5a5@webmail.rawbw.com> P.S. Ah, ... I haven't been following it quite closely enough, ... Sufficiently recent versions of HP-UX also run on sufficiently supported x86 hardware, e.g. HP-UX 11i v2 on Hewlett-Packard Integrity series servers using Intel Itanium 2 processors. Not something likely to be found inexpensively on eBay, though. Of course those can run LINUX too (can we say "transition strategy"?). references/excerpts: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12079_div/12079_div.HTML http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/index.html http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/5983-0162EN.pdf http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2005-November/002781.html Quoting Michael Paoli: > HP-UX is by no means dead, but it's not exactly one of the fastest > growing, or comparatively fastest growing areas, in the > UNIX/LINUX/BSD/... realm. > > Short of needing to directly run HP-UX on your own hardware, or > similarly for AIX and SPARC (but not x86) Solaris, you should be able > to run pretty much any major relatively "surviving" distribution/flavor > on some reasonable x86 hardware. E.g. that would cover: From michelle_berg at yahoo.com Wed Nov 9 16:43:00 2005 From: michelle_berg at yahoo.com (Michelle) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:43:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] HPUX In-Reply-To: <200511092011.jA9KBQr1010890@weak.org> Message-ID: <20051110004300.1279.qmail@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the quick response. It appears that I have been limited myself because of familiarity. It also sounds as if I need to become acquainted with other flavors of Unix, i.e. Linux, etc. All good information to know when returning to the work force. Now I can start. Thanks! Michelle buug-request at weak.org wrote: Send Buug mailing list submissions to buug at weak.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to buug-request at weak.org You can reach the person managing the list at buug-owner at weak.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Buug digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: HP Unix Workstation (Brian Dessent) 2. Re: HP Unix Workstation & UNIX, etc. practice (Michael Paoli) 3. Re: HP-UX on x86 (Michael Paoli) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:02:26 -0800 From: Brian Dessent Subject: Re: [buug] HP Unix Workstation To: Shaw Vrana Cc: Michelle , buug at weak.org Message-ID: <43712072.5CE52AA7 at dessent.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Shaw Vrana wrote: > > 1. Brush up on my old skills, i.e. shell scripting, line command, file > > and disk manipulation, etc. Basic admin stuff and I want to run my own > > web server which includes cgi/perl scripting. > > Do you have a particular interest in HPUX? If not, you could easily get > an old Intel box and install a version of GNU/Linux or *BSD on it. This > would probably be the cheapest option as just about any box would do and > you'd have access to a widely used, enterprise-level Unix-like system. > Perhaps even easiest, would be to boot your current machine from a > bootable Linux distribution like Knoppix or Ubuntu. Or, take the money you would have spent on the hardware at ebay and buy a copy of VMware. Then install images of CentOS, Suse, Fedora, Gentoo, Mandriva, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris x86, and Darwin x86. The breadth you would get from being familiar with all of those seems to me like it would be a lot more valuable than the depth of knowing one certain flavor of a proprietary unix. Brian ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 23:02:57 -0800 From: Michael Paoli Subject: [buug] Re: HP Unix Workstation & UNIX, etc. practice To: Michelle Cc: buug at weak.org Message-ID: <1131519777.43719f214f9dc at webmail.rawbw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 HP-UX is by no means dead, but it's not exactly one of the fastest growing, or comparatively fastest growing areas, in the UNIX/LINUX/BSD/... realm. Short of needing to directly run HP-UX on your own hardware, or similarly for AIX and SPARC (but not x86) Solaris, you should be able to run pretty much any major relatively "surviving" distribution/flavor on some reasonable x86 hardware. E.g. that would cover: major LINUX distributions major BSD distributions Solaris x86 and "only" miss HP-UX and AIX. Tru64 is on an HP-UX convergent path, SGI appears to be rapidly fading (may be subsumed into something else). Is there anything else? (They're SCO, but they're pretty minor these days, and likely to eat themselves into non-existence, or be eaten by their lawyer bills, or otherwise just fade away or be consumed or subsumed). For those other platforms (e.g. HP-UX, AIX, SPARC Solaris (mostly like x86 Solaris, except some of the lower level details)), you might also look into volunteer opportunities, internships, etc. If you can't find opportunity to practice on the systems, there are newsgroups and mailing lists. Try to read all the questions and figure out the answers, and read all the "answers" too, for the useful but unexpected stuff (like practical advice how vendor X's utility Y sucks, doesn't behave as documented, generally blows up, and to effectively work around it, one should generally Z). There are also freely available UNIX accounts of various flavors to be had out on the Internet - typically they won't give you superuser (root) access to practice doing systems administration, but you might be quite able to practice shell scripting, various command line stuff, perhaps some other programming stuff, etc. references/excerpts: Quite dated materials, but some of it still useful: http://web.archive.org/web/20000311200952/www.crl.com/~michaelp/unix/free_and_frugal_unix_starts.html Free shell accounts: http://m-net.arbornet.org/ Apparently lots more free shell acounts out there: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22free+shell+accounts%22+bsd+OR+unix+OR+linux&btnG=Google+Search Volunteer opportunities, e.g.: http://www.volunteermatch.org/ http://www.compumentor.org/ (some of them have sucky search capabilties, a reasonable search engine can help a lot in that regard, e.g.: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Avolunteermatch.org+unix+OR+%22hp-ux%22+OR+%22bsd%22+OR+linux+OR+solaris&btnG=Google+Search ) Quoting Michelle : > I need a little help. I am a former Unix Admin who has been out of the game > for a few years. I am looking to return to the field, but want to brush up > on old skills. I would like to purchase a HP Unix workstation for my home, > but I don't have the first clue what is or isn't good. I am hoping some of > you can give me some ideas on what to purchase. I have gone to a number of > refurbished HP UNIX boxes web sites, but again what to buy, what to buy. > Here is what I am looking to do to start: > 1. Brush up on my old skills, i.e. shell scripting, line command, file and > disk manipulation, etc. Basic admin stuff and I want to run my own web > server which includes cgi/perl scripting. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:30:01 -0800 From: Michael Paoli Subject: [buug] Re: HP-UX on x86 To: Michelle Cc: buug at weak.org Message-ID: <1131550201.437215f94c5a5 at webmail.rawbw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 P.S. Ah, ... I haven't been following it quite closely enough, ... Sufficiently recent versions of HP-UX also run on sufficiently supported x86 hardware, e.g. HP-UX 11i v2 on Hewlett-Packard Integrity series servers using Intel Itanium 2 processors. Not something likely to be found inexpensively on eBay, though. Of course those can run LINUX too (can we say "transition strategy"?). references/excerpts: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12079_div/12079_div.HTML http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/index.html http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/5983-0162EN.pdf http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2005-November/002781.html Quoting Michael Paoli: > HP-UX is by no means dead, but it's not exactly one of the fastest > growing, or comparatively fastest growing areas, in the > UNIX/LINUX/BSD/... realm. > > Short of needing to directly run HP-UX on your own hardware, or > similarly for AIX and SPARC (but not x86) Solaris, you should be able > to run pretty much any major relatively "surviving" distribution/flavor > on some reasonable x86 hardware. E.g. that would cover: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Buug mailing list Buug at weak.org http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug End of Buug Digest, Vol 8, Issue 3 ********************************** --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mp at rawbw.com Thu Nov 10 21:44:06 2005 From: mp at rawbw.com (Michael Paoli) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:44:06 -0800 Subject: [buug] San Francisco: 2005-11-15 7:00-9:30 PM more on Shell Programming, etc. by Michael Paoli [at Bay Area Linux Users Group (BALUG)] Message-ID: <1131687846.43742fa6daca6@webmail.rawbw.com> FYI, for those that may be interested, I'll be doing a bit of a follow-up/follow-on from last month's presentation on Shell Programming this coming Tuesday evening. This will be mostly interactive question and answer on Shell Programming, and examples and mini-demonstrations. Whether you made it to the October meeting or not, if you would like to ask Shell Programming questions, see demonstrations, examples, etc. this should make for a useful and informative meeting. There will probably also be a quite short (estimated <~= 15 minutes) presentation/demonstration of a bit of FVWM's capabilities and such. When: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:00 PM-9:30 PM PST Where: 3rd Floor Banquet Facility: "The China Room", Four Seas Restaurant, 731 Grant Ave. (at Clay), San Francisco, CA 94108-2113, 1-415-989-8188 Lots more details (including dinner cost, etc.) may be found here: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2005-November/000052.html From indramuliadi at yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 14:37:44 2005 From: indramuliadi at yahoo.com (Indra Muliadi) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:37:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [buug] su error. Message-ID: <20051130223744.58340.qmail@web35909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, I'm trying to use su after installation finish but the result is "su:sorry" BAD SU .... I have to be the root to configure my X11 server. I use FBD v.6 release. In the post installion configuration, I fill one user for me and fill the root password too. What is the problem? Thanks. Indra Muliadi __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From brian at planetshwoop.com Wed Nov 30 18:29:24 2005 From: brian at planetshwoop.com (Brian Sobolak) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:29:24 -0600 Subject: [buug] su error. In-Reply-To: <20051130223744.58340.qmail@web35909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051130223744.58340.qmail@web35909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <438E6004.9010301@planetshwoop.com> Indra Muliadi wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to use su after installation finish but the > result is "su:sorry" BAD SU .... > > I have to be the root to configure my X11 server. > > I use FBD v.6 release. > > In the post installion configuration, I fill one user > for me and fill the root password too. > > What is the problem? The person who you wish to enable su for must be in the wheel group to gain root privileges. brian