From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Jun 1 00:20:55 2008 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:20:55 -0700 Subject: [buug] OpenPGP (was: ANNOUNCEMENT- BAD MEETING Sat June 7 Berkeley, & call4 Speakers) In-Reply-To: References: <1212142791.13918.1255854061@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20080601072055.GW1870@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Keith Goodman (kwgoodman at gmail.com): > BTW, just curious, why refer to it as a PGP key instead of a GPG key? > Are the formats the same? Effectively. RFC 2440 in 1998 defined the "OpenPGP" key format, based closely on (and almost entirely compatible with) PGP's. GnuPG (aka "GPG", started 1999) implements the OpenPGP standard. For more, please see "GnuPG Lecture" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Security/ From john_re at fastmail.us Sun Jun 1 01:53:29 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:53:29 -0700 Subject: [buug] ANNOUNCEMENT- .. Backup, PGP In-Reply-To: References: <1212142791.13918.1255854061@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1212310409.7213.1256108175@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sat, 31 May 2008 17:42:34 -0700, "Keith Goodman" said: > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:19 AM, john_re wrote: > > > > For the 1st meeting (tentatively June 7 Sat) some talk possibilities > > are: ... > > I'd like to hear a talk on backup programs, especially duplicity. Great idea. Do yo know anyone who might could give it?? Besides telling us here, please you, & everyone, feel free to invite any qualified person to post to this list that they'd be willing to give a talk on any sugject of interest to you, or any other talk mentioned as desired by anyone. I'm kinda relying on list members to invite speakers. "Each one invite one." - Stone soup, kinda, donchaknow. > BTW, > just curious, why refer to it as a PGP key instead of a GPG key? Are > the formats the same? I know this little Cabal down San Mateo way, they work on computers all night and all day. You can here 'em in the front room hacking. So, hold tight: One guy there, name of Weisler (musta never learned that rule "i before e"), said he'd be willing to give a talk about PGP keys & GPG, etc. I asked him if he would be interested in giving the talk at the ITP. He said "perhaps". So thank yo fr posting this question - now I have something to point him to to show that it is not just me who might like to get some info about this topic, and appreciate him giving us some speechifyin'. -- john_re at fastmail.us -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free From afife at untangle.com Tue Jun 3 11:29:13 2008 From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Tom Belote is willing to speak about backup Message-ID: <00c601c8c5a7$bec63450$8600000a@afmeatloaf> Keith Goodman wrote: >I'd like to hear a talk on backup programs, especially duplicity. John Reagan responded: >Great idea. Do yo know anyone who might could give it?? I spoke with Tom Belote and he would be willing to give a talk on backup from a Linux perspective at the July meeting. Tom is quite knowledgeable about backup having spent much of 06/07 writing a backup application for a previous startup. Please let me know if this is something that BUUG is interested in. -Andrew -- Andrew Fife Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway www.untangle.com/download 650.425.3327 desk 415.806.6028 cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwgoodman at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 11:41:28 2008 From: kwgoodman at gmail.com (Keith Goodman) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:41:28 -0700 Subject: [buug] Tom Belote is willing to speak about backup In-Reply-To: <00c601c8c5a7$bec63450$8600000a@afmeatloaf> References: <00c601c8c5a7$bec63450$8600000a@afmeatloaf> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Fife wrote: > Keith Goodman wrote: >>I'd like to hear a talk on backup programs, especially duplicity. > > John Reagan responded: >>Great idea. Do yo know anyone who might could give it?? > > I spoke with Tom Belote and he would be willing to give a talk on backup > from a Linux perspective at the July meeting. Tom is quite knowledgeable > about backup having spent much of 06/07 writing a backup application for a > previous startup. > > Please let me know if this is something that BUUG is interested in. I guess it is obvious that I am interested. But, yes, I'd attend. From windsor.schmidt at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 15:09:09 2008 From: windsor.schmidt at gmail.com (Windsor Schmidt) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:09:09 -0700 Subject: [buug] Tom Belote is willing to speak about backup In-Reply-To: <00c601c8c5a7$bec63450$8600000a@afmeatloaf> References: <00c601c8c5a7$bec63450$8600000a@afmeatloaf> Message-ID: <66e006d50806031509j3dfffd64u3b30c30bdf5ac0c9@mail.gmail.com> I'm interested in this. Currently I use rsync to backup from my two machines two my network gateway / 'sandbox' server. It works well, but I'd be happy to hear others' perspectives on personal backup routines under Linux. -Windsor On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Fife wrote: > Keith Goodman wrote: >>I'd like to hear a talk on backup programs, especially duplicity. > > John Reagan responded: >>Great idea. Do yo know anyone who might could give it?? > > I spoke with Tom Belote and he would be willing to give a talk on backup > from a Linux perspective at the July meeting. Tom is quite knowledgeable > about backup having spent much of 06/07 writing a backup application for a > previous startup. > > Please let me know if this is something that BUUG is interested in. > > -Andrew > > -- > Andrew Fife > Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway > www.untangle.com/download > > 650.425.3327 desk > 415.806.6028 cell > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > From john_re at fastmail.us Tue Jun 3 22:07:34 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:07:34 -0700 Subject: [buug] Tom Belote is willing to speak about backup In-Reply-To: <00c601c8c5a7$bec63450$8600000a@afmeatloaf> References: <00c601c8c5a7$bec63450$8600000a@afmeatloaf> Message-ID: <1212556054.31982.1256645825@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:29:13 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew Fife" said: > Keith Goodman wrote: > >I'd like to hear a talk on backup programs, especially duplicity. > > John Reagan responded: > >Great idea. Do yo know anyone who might could give it?? > > I spoke with Tom Belote and he would be willing to give a talk on backup > from a Linux perspective at the July meeting. Tom is quite knowledgeable > about backup having spent much of 06/07 writing a backup application for > a > previous startup. > > Please let me know if this is something that BUUG is interested in. Thanks for making the suggestion Andrew. Folks, I don't have time right now to think up & post the details, but, my general idea is, (kinda using the spirit of the shotgun meeting rules over at bay area debian bad.debian.net) 1) If you are willing to make a personal commitment to attend a talk someone offers to make, 2) email the potential speaker & the list saying you'll attend, 3) if the speaker emails the list & says they'll commit to being there, 4) then the speaker is confirmed to speak, 5) & all announcements about that meeting can include them in the list of confirmed speakers. Point is - I don't need to be involved. - You all (attendees) are free to do all the speaker arranging by yourselves. One point I haven't fully thought out, yet, is times for speakers. That's important because if an announcement goes out, it would be nice to have the speakers time there. That way, if the announcement goes out to another list, & someone on that list sees it, but can't attend for the full 6 (or whatever) hours of the event, they will see a speaker time & can know to come just for the time of that talk. Perhaps we could setup a wiki for speaker scheduling? ===== Substitute "damn" every time you're inclined to write "very"; your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be. - Samuel Langhorne Clemens -- http://www.fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? 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All rights reserved. click here to unsubscribe ----- End forwarded message ----- From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Wed Jun 4 01:29:12 2008 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 01:29:12 -0700 Subject: [buug] More books for BUUG from the Pearson Education User Group Program Message-ID: <1212568152.4846525836b62@webmail.rawbw.com> Apparently arrived 2008-06-02, and I'll likely* bring them to the 2008-06-05 BUUG meeting: Refactoring HTML: Improving the Design of Existing Web Applications http://www.informit.com/title/0321503635 By Elliotte Rusty Harold, Elliotte Rusty Harold Published May 1, 2008 by Addison-Wesley Professional. Part of the The Addison-Wesley Signature Series series. Pages: 368 Edition: 1st. ISBN-10: 0-321-50363-5 ISBN-13: 978-0-321-50363-3 and: Running Xen: A Hands-On Guide to the Art of Virtualization http://www.informit.com/title/0132349663 By Jeanna N. Matthews, Eli M. Dow, Todd Deshane, Wenjin Hu, Jeremy Bongio, Patrick F. Wilbur, Brendan Johnson Published Apr 6, 2008 by Prentice Hall Pages: 624 Edition: 1st. ISBN-10: 0-13-234966-3 ISBN-13: 978-0-13-234966-6 *I've got on-call, so there's a bit more unpredictability, but I'll probably make it there. From john_re at fastmail.us Fri Jun 6 02:06:54 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:06:54 -0700 Subject: [buug] ANNOUNCE: TOMORROW Sat June 6 INSTALLFEST TALKS POTLUCK, Berkeley 12N-6P Message-ID: <1212743214.28074.1257076917@webmail.messagingengine.com> YOU are INVITED to the 1st Berkeley BSD GNU/Linux Installfest, Talks, & Potluck. This is a FREE friendly, pleasant, fun, educational & productive event. LOCATION: EVANS HALL, or nearby, U. C. Berkeley, Berkeley, CA ROOM: Room 5 Evans Hall: Either we will meet in this room, or see directions posted there to the meeting location. (This is the building where UNIX was developed at Berkeley.) TIME: 12 Noon to 6 PM - come & leave as you like. This is the first meeting of what is planned to be a MONTHLY 1st Saturday or Sunday event. (Next month's meeting: July 5 or 6) There are 3 PARALLEL TRACKS of events: 1) INSTALLFEST Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software. 2) TALKS Talks by various speakers 3) POTLUCK Bring $4 of food to share: eat, conversation This meeting is being coordinated through the Berkeley Unix User Group buug.org mailing list: http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2008-June/thread.html http://buug.org ===== DETAILS: ============================================ === INSTALLFEST: Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software. This is a self reliant event. Bring everything you need. Computer, monitor, keyboard, mouse, laptop, power cord, MULTI OUTLET POWER EXTENSION CORD, network cord, WIFI, install software CD (people will likely have some installation CD's, but don't count on that). For this first meeting, we _might_ NOT have any NETWORKING except through individuals CELL PHONE service. Please help clean up when through. Thank you. === TALKS: Eventually we hope to have 2-6 speakers. For this meeting, we have no planned talks. Instead, we have the following time slots reserved specifically for OPEN DISCUSSION about these TOPICS: 12N DISTRIBUTIONS - BSD's, Ubuntu Debian RH Suse etc 1P PROGRAMMING/DATABASES - Python, PERL, PHP, TCL, C/C++, Ruby, LISP, FORTRAN, COBOL, MSQL, etc. 2P VIDEOCONFERENCE testing; NETWORKING 3P BAD - Bay Area Debian MEETING. http://bad.debian.net 4P GUIs - KDE, GNOME. USER APPLICATIONS - Word Proc, Web Browser, Video, Audio 5P ORGANIZING future meetings, HOWTO: ETHICAL SPAMMING - ie how to announce to LUGs, etc. Note: Meeting Talks are ATTENDEE idea generated. Want to HEAR a talk: POST a request for speaker to the list. Know a SPEAKER: POST to the list. Speakers are CONFIRMED by an attendee guaranteeing to ATTEND that talk, POSTING that to the list, and HANDLING ARRANGEMENTS with the speaker. ---VIDEOCONFERENCE: Hopefully, this will become a WORLD WIDE SIMULTANEOUS event. We hope to LIVE VIDEO STREAM talks to other participating groups. At this meeting we might setup an IRC channel, BITP, (perhaps on freenode?). We might try to set up an audio or video streaming test. JULY tentative planned talk topic: BACKUPS See MORE TALK IDEAS BELOW, and post to the buug mail list if there is a talk you would like to HEAR or PRESENT. === POTLUCK: If you want to: BRING $4 OF FOOD TO SHARE. Eat. Enjoy conversation with other attendees. Note: The food is only brought by attendees, there is no entity paying for the food, except each attendee pays for whatever they bring. So, obviously, be respectful of others and don't eat more than the value of what you yourself brought. You can BRING: MAIN COURSE, VEGETABLES, FRUIT, SALAD, DESERT, DRINK (no alcohol, please), SNACKS. It might be helpful for the first several meetings if people brought something from MORE THAN ONE CATEGORY of item. That way there will be more variety. It's great to get something ON SALE from the grocery store. Of course, you DON'T HAVE TO BRING anything, or $4 worth of items. But, please be considerate of others, and don't eat more than the value of what you brought. Thank you. Please help clean up when through. Thank you. ===== ===== === Please RSVP % If you think you _might_ come to the ITP, please send an RSVP % message to the buug.org mailing list http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug stating your best current estimate of the probability you'd attend on Saturday Jun 7, using probability of 25 50 75 or 100 %, & PUT your % # IN THE SUBJECT LINE OF THE MESSAGE. Thank you. (Equation between probability % and english language concepts: 25 = small possibility 50 = maybe 75 = more likely than not 100 = definitely ) This will help us as a guide to planning. Thank you. Note: It is NOT NECESSARY to RSVP %, but would be helpful to us. If you aren't able to or didn't send an RSVP % message, please DO ATTEND. Here is a good subject line to use for your RSVP %: June 7 ITP RSVP %=## === DIRECTIONS: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=&daddr=37.873592,-122.257807&mra=mi&mrsp=0&sz=16&sll=37.873625,-122.257807&sspn=0.008825,0.012703&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16 CAR: 580/80 Eastshore Freeway to Berkeley, University Ave. exit, up University to UCB. BART: Berkeley Downtown exit. Walk or Campus bus to Hearst Mining Circle. On Saturday there might be some on campus parking, but there is off campus street parking, and a big pay parking lot at the corner of Hearst & Gayley, at the Northeast corner of campus. You can drive to Evans Hall to unload something from your car. Evans Hall is at B5 in this map: http://www.berkeley.edu/map/maps/large_map.html === CARPOOLING: A GREAT IDEA! Post a request or announcement to the list. http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug Here are handy email subject lines: CARPOOLING Ride WANTED from xyz Sat June 7 CARPOOLING Ride OFFERRED from xyz Sat June 7 === MORE TALK IDEAS: For the 1st meeting some talk possibilities are: 0) ETHICAL SPAMMING - Howto send announcement emails automatically to many group email lists. - Do you know how to do this? CAN YOU GIVE AN INFORMAL HOWTO TALK ABOUT THIS at the JUNE MEETING? 1) Difference between Ubuntu8.4 & Debian 2) OLPC - Sugar OS project 3) Google Summer of Code - how you can help 4) PGP & personal keysigning 5) Mozilla 3 - the beta's features & how to help - the "show me the code" session? 6) Python08 conference highlights 7) LinuxPicnic (in SiValley) preparations/planning/how to help 8) LinuxWorld Expo San Francisco group booths What other topics are HOT now & would be good to have talks on? What would YOU like to HEAR a talk on? Would YOU like to GIVE a talk? What SUBJECT? === FEEL FREE TO SEND THIS ANNOUNCEMENT TO ANY RELEVANT LISTS/PEOPLE. Thank you. I hope to see you there. :) -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be From john_re at fastmail.us Fri Jun 6 02:40:52 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:40:52 -0700 Subject: [buug] Sat June 7=correct date -was: ANNOUNCE: TOMORROW Sat June 7 INSTALLFEST TALKS POTLUCK, Berkeley 12N-6P In-Reply-To: <1212743214.28074.1257076917@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1212743214.28074.1257076917@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1212745252.1342.1257081185@webmail.messagingengine.com> The correct date is the 7th of June, not the 6th. June 7th is Saturday. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be From glen at glenjarvis.com Fri Jun 6 10:41:08 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:41:08 -0700 Subject: [buug] [Baypiggies] ANNOUNCE: TOMORROW Sat June 7 INSTALLFEST TALKS POTLUCK, Berkeley 12N-6P In-Reply-To: <1212747120.7408.1257084777@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1212747120.7408.1257084777@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <48955F3C-EDB6-4B72-A4C4-96602AD77E1C@glenjarvis.com> I confirm there is roughly a 75% change that I will make this meeting. I intend to and will do so unless an higher priority emergency comes up. I have work to do on a project, so I'll be coding in the corner and listening most of the time if that's okay. Cheers, Glen -- 415-680-3964 glen at glenjarvis.com http://www.glenjarvis.com "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:12 AM, john_re wrote: > Hi Pythonists. You might be especially interested in the 1-2PM > Programming open discussion hour. See the "Talks" section below. > > Hope to see you there. > > =============================================================== > YOU are INVITED to the 1st > Berkeley BSD GNU/Linux Installfest, Talks, & Potluck. > This is a FREE friendly, pleasant, fun, educational & productive > event. > > LOCATION: EVANS HALL, or nearby, U. C. Berkeley, Berkeley, CA > ROOM: Room 5 Evans Hall: Either we will meet in this room, > or see directions posted there to the meeting location. > (This is the building where UNIX was developed at Berkeley.) > TIME: 12 Noon to 6 PM - come & leave as you like. > Saturday June 7th > > This is the first meeting of what is planned to be a MONTHLY 1st > Saturday or Sunday event. (Next month's meeting: July 5 or 6) > > There are 3 PARALLEL TRACKS of events: > > 1) INSTALLFEST Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux > software. > 2) TALKS Talks by various speakers > 3) POTLUCK Bring $4 of food to share: eat, conversation > > This meeting is being coordinated through the > Berkeley Unix User Group buug.org mailing list: > http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2008-June/thread.html > http://buug.org > > ===== DETAILS: ============================================ > > === INSTALLFEST: Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux > software. > > This is a self reliant event. Bring everything you need. Computer, > monitor, keyboard, mouse, laptop, power cord, MULTI OUTLET POWER > EXTENSION CORD, network cord, WIFI, install software CD (people will > likely have some installation CD's, but don't count on that). > > For this first meeting, we _might_ NOT have any NETWORKING except > through individuals CELL PHONE service. > > Please help clean up when through. Thank you. > > === TALKS: Eventually we hope to have 2-6 speakers. > For this meeting, we have no planned talks. Instead, we have the > following time slots reserved specifically for OPEN DISCUSSION about > these TOPICS: > > 12N DISTRIBUTIONS - BSD's, Ubuntu Debian RH Suse etc > 1P PROGRAMMING/DATABASES - Python, PERL, PHP, TCL, C/C++, Ruby, > LISP, FORTRAN, COBOL, MSQL, etc. > 2P VIDEOCONFERENCE testing; NETWORKING > 3P BAD - Bay Area Debian MEETING. http://bad.debian.net > 4P GUIs - KDE, GNOME. > USER APPLICATIONS - Word Proc, Web Browser, Video, Audio > 5P ORGANIZING future meetings, > HOWTO: ETHICAL SPAMMING - ie how to announce to LUGs, etc. > > Note: Meeting Talks are ATTENDEE idea generated. > Want to HEAR a talk: POST a request for speaker to the list. > Know a SPEAKER: POST to the list. > Speakers are CONFIRMED by an attendee guaranteeing to ATTEND that > talk, > POSTING that to the list, and HANDLING ARRANGEMENTS with the speaker. > > ---VIDEOCONFERENCE: Hopefully, this will become a WORLD WIDE > SIMULTANEOUS event. We hope to LIVE VIDEO STREAM talks to other > participating groups. > > At this meeting we might setup an IRC channel, BITP, (perhaps on > freenode?). We might try to set up an audio or video streaming test. > > JULY tentative planned talk topic: BACKUPS > > See MORE TALK IDEAS BELOW, and post to the buug mail list if there > is a > talk you would like to HEAR or PRESENT. > > === POTLUCK: If you want to: BRING $4 OF FOOD TO SHARE. Eat. Enjoy > conversation with other attendees. > > Note: The food is only brought by attendees, there is no entity paying > for the food, except each attendee pays for whatever they bring. So, > obviously, be respectful of others and don't eat more than the value > of > what you yourself brought. > > You can BRING: MAIN COURSE, VEGETABLES, FRUIT, SALAD, DESERT, DRINK > (no > alcohol, please), SNACKS. It might be helpful for the first several > meetings if people brought something from MORE THAN ONE CATEGORY of > item. That way there will be more variety. It's great to get something > ON SALE from the grocery store. > > Of course, you DON'T HAVE TO BRING anything, or $4 worth of items. > But, > please be considerate of others, and don't eat more than the value of > what you brought. Thank you. > > Please help clean up when through. Thank you. > > ===== ===== > > === Please RSVP % > > If you think you _might_ come to the ITP, > please send an RSVP % message to the buug.org mailing list > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > stating your best current estimate > of the probability you'd attend on Saturday Jun 7, > using probability of 25 50 75 or 100 %, > & PUT your % # IN THE SUBJECT LINE OF THE MESSAGE. Thank you. > > (Equation between probability % and english language concepts: > 25 = small possibility > 50 = maybe > 75 = more likely than not > 100 = definitely ) > > This will help us as a guide to planning. Thank you. > > Note: It is NOT NECESSARY to RSVP %, but would be helpful to us. If > you > aren't able to or didn't send an RSVP % message, please DO ATTEND. > > Here is a good subject line to use for your RSVP %: > June 7 ITP RSVP %=## > > === DIRECTIONS: > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=&daddr=37.873592,-122.257807&mra=mi&mrsp=0&sz=16&sll=37.873625,-122.257807&sspn=0.008825,0.012703&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16 > > CAR: 580/80 Eastshore Freeway to Berkeley, University Ave. exit, > up University to UCB. > BART: Berkeley Downtown exit. > Walk or Campus bus to Hearst Mining Circle. > > On Saturday there might be some on campus parking, but there is off > campus street parking, and a big pay parking lot at the corner of > Hearst > & Gayley, at the Northeast corner of campus. You can drive to Evans > Hall > to unload something from your car. > > Evans Hall is at B5 in this map: > http://www.berkeley.edu/map/maps/large_map.html > > === CARPOOLING: A GREAT IDEA! > Post a request or announcement to the list. > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > Here are handy email subject lines: > CARPOOLING Ride WANTED from xyz Sat June 7 > CARPOOLING Ride OFFERRED from xyz Sat June 7 > > === MORE TALK IDEAS: > For the 1st meeting some talk possibilities are: > 0) ETHICAL SPAMMING - Howto send announcement emails automatically > to many group email lists. - Do you know how to do this? > CAN YOU GIVE AN INFORMAL HOWTO TALK ABOUT THIS at the JUNE > MEETING? > 1) Difference between Ubuntu8.4 & Debian > 2) OLPC - Sugar OS project > 3) Google Summer of Code - how you can help > 4) PGP & personal keysigning > 5) Mozilla 3 - the beta's features & how to help > - the "show me the code" session? > 6) Python08 conference highlights > 7) LinuxPicnic (in SiValley) preparations/planning/how to help > 8) LinuxWorld Expo San Francisco group booths > > What other topics are HOT now & would be good to have talks on? > What would YOU like to HEAR a talk on? > Would YOU like to GIVE a talk? What SUBJECT? > > === FEEL FREE TO SEND THIS ANNOUNCEMENT TO ANY RELEVANT LISTS/PEOPLE. > > Thank you. I hope to see you there. :) > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From john_re at fastmail.us Fri Jun 6 13:43:28 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:43:28 -0700 Subject: [buug] Testing, Message-ID: <1212785008.6959.1257180787@webmail.messagingengine.com> oh, so very testing. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html From john_re at fastmail.us Fri Jun 6 14:25:53 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:25:53 -0700 Subject: [buug] [Baypiggies] ANNOUNCE: TOMORROW Sat June 7 INSTALLFEST TALKS POTLUCK, Berkeley 12N-6P In-Reply-To: <48955F3C-EDB6-4B72-A4C4-96602AD77E1C@glenjarvis.com> References: <1212747120.7408.1257084777@webmail.messagingengine.com> <48955F3C-EDB6-4B72-A4C4-96602AD77E1C@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: <1212787553.16555.1257186497@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:41:08 -0700, "Glen Jarvis" said: > I confirm there is roughly a 75% change that I will make this meeting. > I intend to and will do so unless an higher priority emergency comes > up. I have work to do on a project, so I'll be coding in the corner > and listening most of the time if that's okay. Quite fine. > > Cheers, > > Glen Thanks for the RSVP %. I hope to see you there! > -- > 415-680-3964 > glen at glenjarvis.com > http://www.glenjarvis.com > > "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi > > > On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:12 AM, john_re wrote: > > > Hi Pythonists. You might be especially interested in the 1-2PM > > Programming open discussion hour. See the "Talks" section below. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different From john_re at fastmail.us Sat Jun 7 01:05:56 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:05:56 -0700 Subject: [buug] BerkITP Locations, Evans, Talks - 12 hour update Message-ID: <1212825956.20461.1257229929@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi everyone. Some final last 12 hours before meeting notes about the event. I was asked the following in an email directly to me, not the list. Since I think these are useful questions, and time is too short to ask the sender to mail the question to the list so all can benefit from the answer, I'm just quoting it anonymously & providing the answers for everyone. > TY for the invite! Glad you're interested. > > I'd be possibly interested and able to attend one or more of ITP TALKS > track sub-events in the later part of the afternoon Saturady, although I > certainly would NOT be bringing my computer/laptop or food/drink for the > INSTALLFEST or POTLUCK event. That's fine. Come for as much or little of the event/activities as you like. & don't worry if you haven't RSVP'd - that's only helpful, not necessary, so come if you want whether or not you've rsvp'd. > > Any idea which of the below OPEN DISCUSSION topics and MORE TALK IDEAS 0) > - 8) are most likely to occur as planned ? I will be there for all the Open Discussion times, if anyone wants to talk about them, or if by consensus we talk as a group or subgroups about other topics. This is the first meeting of the Berk ITP, and so it is basically a "get the thing off the ground" meeting, "get it started" meeting, a planning & working toward whatever the attendees want to try to bring into reality in the future meeting. Probabilistic RSVP % wise attendance is now about 5 people, which is fantastic for a first meeting, only announced 2 weeks ago to a small list & to other groups only 1 day in advance, as far as I am concerned. So, it's a very small # of people, and unless a huge # of unRSVP'd persons show up who want to keep to the stated topic/time format, we're totally free to spend our time any way we like - keeping to the proposed subject schedule, or changing it at will - it's all fine with me. We don't have any outside speakers coming for this meeting (a talk about Backups is a possibility for next meeting). If someone wants to discuss the "more talk ideas", that's fine with me for our small 1st group meeting. > > Also, is any sort of a physical sign-in process required for admittance > to Evans Hall and its Room 5, or to other alternative campus locations > where the ITP TALKS are to take place ?? Evans hall is a ~40 year old 10 story building (the largest on campus) with offices for faculty, grad students, staff, and with many classrooms. It is a california public building & open to the public every day it is open, & on Saturdays from about 8a to about 6pm. I'm told to expect only a few of the entrance doors to be open - probably on the ground floor NorthWest corner, & perhaps the 1st floor main door. The ground floor is where classroom 5 & others are, so try that NW door. There's no door guard, no sign in person or desk, just go in & look for room 5 (it's on the west side of the ground floor). On saturday, there are possibly a few small classes meeting, but the building will probably have only about 1% or less of the # of people that are there during spring & fall week days. Depending on how many people show up & when, we could stay in one of the class rooms, or move to one of the lounges or outside park like areas. One possibility is to go to the cafe at the Moffit undergrad library, about 200 yards downhill from Evans. I'll post a sign with my cell phone # at room 5 & probably also on one of the NW ground floor entrance doors, so you can call me if necessary. Ask any final questions to this list, & I'll try to answer them 8a-12n tomorrow. Thanks for your interest, come for as much or little as you like, & I hope you can make it! -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From john_re at fastmail.us Sat Jun 7 01:18:08 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:18:08 -0700 Subject: [buug] Videoconference- was Re: Berk InstFest Talks Potluck- 2) Please RSVP % In-Reply-To: <1211779483.15373.1255051745@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1211515815.9307.1254673737@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4836E337.8070800@charter.net> <1211779483.15373.1255051745@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1212826688.22013.1257232565@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi PR - Are you still available to try to test this out today (saturday) sometime between 12N & 6p? If so, please email me directly (not the list) your phone #, & when you're available, & we;ll work on seeting what we can accomplish. The phone connection will greatly increase work progress rate, over, ex, irc. PR wrote: I have quite a few video client players to test on my linux lappy. i need a url, ip, port, so forth, authentication, keys? let me know. tanks, :) john_re wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2008 08:31:03 -0700, "PR" [1] said: send me the streaming link when up, id like to check things out. thanks! will do. Hope to have more info on that in about a week. june 7th correct? yes im in long beach, but remain here. not able to travel anytime soon. justa heads up. also, the topics sound advanced, i have heard of most in passing. anyfoo. just checking out the schedules, seeing if there is anything I can contribute knowledge wise that you all haven't heard before lol. It will be a great contribution if you are able to test out receiving a video stream. also i think i found this group through freebsd some how, starting to come back lol Oly john_re wrote: OK, we've got 3 people who have volunteered to help on this (one in LongBeach). That's enough to move to the question - is anyone else interested in _attending_? References 1. mailto:oly562 at charter.net -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: oly562.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 242 bytes Desc: not available URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Sat Jun 7 10:58:12 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:58:12 -0700 Subject: [buug] BerkITP Locations, Evans, Talks - 12 hour update In-Reply-To: <1212825956.20461.1257229929@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1212825956.20461.1257229929@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: As a side note, if you don't know the Berkeley campus very well and have an iPod, there's an audio tour you can download to your iPod: "http://itunes.berkeley.edu/ ". I've only just moved to California six months ago, and had never attended Berkeley. However, because I really enjoy academics and did the audio tour a few times, I knew exactly where Evans hall was when I received this email. It could be a fun "extra" to do today (outside of the BerkITP meeting), if you want to hear about Free Speech, see a dinosaur, learn about walking under Athena, and much much more.. Cheers, Glen -- 415-680-3964 glen at glenjarvis.com http://www.glenjarvis.com "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi On Jun 7, 2008, at 1:05 AM, john_re wrote: > Hi everyone. Some final last 12 hours before meeting notes about the > event. > > I was asked the following in an email directly to me, not the list. > Since I think these are useful questions, and time is too short to ask > the sender to mail the question to the list so all can benefit from > the > answer, I'm just quoting it anonymously & providing the answers for > everyone. > >> TY for the invite! > > Glad you're interested. >> >> I'd be possibly interested and able to attend one or more of ITP >> TALKS >> track sub-events in the later part of the afternoon Saturady, >> although I >> certainly would NOT be bringing my computer/laptop or food/drink >> for the >> INSTALLFEST or POTLUCK event. > > That's fine. Come for as much or little of the event/activities as you > like. & don't worry if you haven't RSVP'd - that's only helpful, not > necessary, so come if you want whether or not you've rsvp'd. >> >> Any idea which of the below OPEN DISCUSSION topics and MORE TALK >> IDEAS 0) >> - 8) are most likely to occur as planned ? > > I will be there for all the Open Discussion times, if anyone wants to > talk about them, or if by consensus we talk as a group or subgroups > about other topics. > > This is the first meeting of the Berk ITP, and so it is basically a > "get > the thing off the ground" meeting, "get it started" meeting, a > planning > & working toward whatever the attendees want to try to bring into > reality in the future meeting. > > Probabilistic RSVP % wise attendance is now about 5 people, which is > fantastic for a first meeting, only announced 2 weeks ago to a small > list & to other groups only 1 day in advance, as far as I am > concerned. > > So, it's a very small # of people, and unless a huge # of unRSVP'd > persons show up who want to keep to the stated topic/time format, > we're > totally free to spend our time any way we like - keeping to the > proposed > subject schedule, or changing it at will - it's all fine with me. > > We don't have any outside speakers coming for this meeting (a talk > about > Backups is a possibility for next meeting). If someone wants to > discuss > the "more talk ideas", that's fine with me for our small 1st group > meeting. > >> >> Also, is any sort of a physical sign-in process required for >> admittance >> to Evans Hall and its Room 5, or to other alternative campus >> locations >> where the ITP TALKS are to take place ?? > > Evans hall is a ~40 year old 10 story building (the largest on campus) > with offices for faculty, grad students, staff, and with many > classrooms. It is a california public building & open to the public > every day it is open, & on Saturdays from about 8a to about 6pm. I'm > told to expect only a few of the entrance doors to be open - > probably on > the ground floor NorthWest corner, & perhaps the 1st floor main door. > The ground floor is where classroom 5 & others are, so try that NW > door. > There's no door guard, no sign in person or desk, just go in & look > for > room 5 (it's on the west side of the ground floor). > > On saturday, there are possibly a few small classes meeting, but the > building will probably have only about 1% or less of the # of people > that are there during spring & fall week days. > > Depending on how many people show up & when, we could stay in one of > the > class rooms, or move to one of the lounges or outside park like areas. > One possibility is to go to the cafe at the Moffit undergrad library, > about 200 yards downhill from Evans. I'll post a sign with my cell > phone # at room 5 & probably also on one of the NW ground floor > entrance > doors, so you can call me if necessary. > > Ask any final questions to this list, & I'll try to answer them 8a-12n > tomorrow. > > Thanks for your interest, come for as much or little as you like, & I > hope you can make it! > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From kwgoodman at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 13:21:09 2008 From: kwgoodman at gmail.com (Keith Goodman) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:21:09 -0700 Subject: [buug] ANNOUNCE: BAD Meeting TOMORROW Sat June 7 @ INSTALLFEST TALKS POTLUCK, Berkeley 3-4PM In-Reply-To: <1212744965.681.1257079917@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1212744965.681.1257079917@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:36 AM, john_re wrote: > Hi Bay Area Debianists. > The June BAD meeting will happen TOMORROW Saturday June 7 3-4PM in > conjunction with the Berkeley Installfest, Talks, Potluck event, > 12N-6PM. > > Come for just the BAD meeting, or for the entire ITP. > > Hope to see you there. :) > > ================================================================= > YOU are INVITED to the 1st > Berkeley BSD GNU/Linux Installfest, Talks, & Potluck. > This is a FREE friendly, pleasant, fun, educational & productive event. > > LOCATION: EVANS HALL, or nearby, U. C. Berkeley, Berkeley, CA > ROOM: Room 5 Evans Hall: Either we will meet in this room, > or see directions posted there to the meeting location. > (This is the building where UNIX was developed at Berkeley.) > TIME: 12 Noon to 6 PM - come & leave as you like. Did I make the classic newbie mistake of showing up on time? I was at Evans Hall 12 to 12:40 but no sign of the potluck. From glen at glenjarvis.com Sat Jun 7 14:19:18 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:19:18 -0700 Subject: [buug] ANNOUNCE: BAD Meeting TOMORROW Sat June 7 @ INSTALLFEST TALKS POTLUCK, Berkeley 3-4PM In-Reply-To: References: <1212744965.681.1257079917@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <31D56BE1-088B-4EA1-B0F6-9548D36E364B@glenjarvis.com> Keith, I'm sorry to have missed you. I was also running late and so were about 9 other who are here now.... I'm not sure how long we are staying.. I'm just a n00b myself sitting in the corner trying to get work done. If it helps, we've moved to the Free Speech Cafe - outdoors and are just chatting.... looking for a hub so we can share a connection. I'm not sure how helpful this is... But, I hope I could help a little. Cheers, Glen -- 415-680-3964 glen at glenjarvis.com http://www.glenjarvis.com "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi On Jun 7, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Keith Goodman wrote: > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:36 AM, john_re wrote: >> Hi Bay Area Debianists. >> The June BAD meeting will happen TOMORROW Saturday June 7 3-4PM in >> conjunction with the Berkeley Installfest, Talks, Potluck event, >> 12N-6PM. >> >> Come for just the BAD meeting, or for the entire ITP. >> >> Hope to see you there. :) >> >> ================================================================= >> YOU are INVITED to the 1st >> Berkeley BSD GNU/Linux Installfest, Talks, & Potluck. >> This is a FREE friendly, pleasant, fun, educational & productive >> event. >> >> LOCATION: EVANS HALL, or nearby, U. C. Berkeley, Berkeley, CA >> ROOM: Room 5 Evans Hall: Either we will meet in this room, >> or see directions posted there to the meeting location. >> (This is the building where UNIX was developed at Berkeley.) >> TIME: 12 Noon to 6 PM - come & leave as you like. > > Did I make the classic newbie mistake of showing up on time? I was at > Evans Hall 12 to 12:40 but no sign of the potluck. > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From kwgoodman at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 14:23:14 2008 From: kwgoodman at gmail.com (Keith Goodman) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:23:14 -0700 Subject: [buug] ANNOUNCE: BAD Meeting TOMORROW Sat June 7 @ INSTALLFEST TALKS POTLUCK, Berkeley 3-4PM In-Reply-To: <31D56BE1-088B-4EA1-B0F6-9548D36E364B@glenjarvis.com> References: <1212744965.681.1257079917@webmail.messagingengine.com> <31D56BE1-088B-4EA1-B0F6-9548D36E364B@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > Keith, > I'm sorry to have missed you. I was also running late and so were about 9 > other who are here now.... I'm not sure how long we are staying.. I'm > just a n00b myself sitting in the corner trying to get work done. If it > helps, we've moved to the Free Speech Cafe - outdoors and are just > chatting.... looking for a hub so we can share a connection. > > I'm not sure how helpful this is... But, I hope I could help a little. Thanks for the update. I'll try to be fashionably late next month. From windsor.schmidt at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 18:44:13 2008 From: windsor.schmidt at gmail.com (Windsor Schmidt) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:44:13 -0500 Subject: [buug] Impressions of First Meeting Message-ID: <66e006d50806071844n7f0c105bh91b26d7044ff4e40@mail.gmail.com> I had a good time, thanks people for showing up. I have a few random thoughts about the meet-up. If any of this sounds like criticism, then rest assured it's of the positive variety. Venue: I'm assuming most computer people (and those interested in performing installs) are going to want easy access to power and internet. I'm not an expert of the Cal campus - but I think we should brainstorm on a location that has both in abundance, and possibly some cheaper food (and/or beer) nearby. Agenda: It looks like there are only so many people that will actually be performing installs at any given meeting, so the idea of prepared talks on various topics sounds good to me, however I personally like the idea of a large block of our time being used to simply talk about BSD/Linux and technology in general. Food: How about we all ante up pizza money at the start of the meeting, order via cell-phone, and send someone out to retrieve the pizza? From experience, my bicycle bag holds at least a large size pizza box, so I can volunteer on this. =) Also, from what I've seen the unix user / pizza eater correlation is pretty high, but we can go with whatever food people can agree on. I just prefer the K.I.S.S. model for things like this. Videocasting: My geeky side says this is an awesome idea, and my life experience side says that it makes sense to establish an attendee base (people will want to have something interesting to log in and watch) and possibly a regular venue where we can be sure of stable upstream network bandwidth. I have some experience with CCTV and voice/video over IP, so when the time comes I'd be happy to help with this. See you guys next time, -Windsor From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 19:22:15 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:22:15 -0700 Subject: [buug] Impressions of First Meeting In-Reply-To: <66e006d50806071844n7f0c105bh91b26d7044ff4e40@mail.gmail.com> References: <66e006d50806071844n7f0c105bh91b26d7044ff4e40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <484B4257.3010104@gmail.com> Windsor Schmidt wrote: > I had a good time, thanks people for showing up. I have a few random > thoughts about the meet-up. If any of this sounds like criticism, then > rest assured it's of the positive variety. > > Venue: I'm assuming most computer people (and those interested in > performing installs) are going to want easy access to power and > internet. I'm not an expert of the Cal campus - but I think we should > brainstorm on a location that has both in abundance, and possibly some > cheaper food (and/or beer) nearby. > Something I learned from my Eagle Scout project is to get a point of contact that has the keys to the desired building. People like that can either unlock the building or they can call someone else to do it as well. > Agenda: It looks like there are only so many people that will actually > be performing installs at any given meeting, so the idea of prepared > talks on various topics sounds good to me, however I personally like > the idea of a large block of our time being used to simply talk about > BSD/Linux and technology in general. > That will probably be where most ideas for future talks will come from. I concur. > Food: How about we all ante up pizza money at the start of the > meeting, order via cell-phone, and send someone out to retrieve the > pizza? From experience, my bicycle bag holds at least a large size > pizza box, so I can volunteer on this. =) Also, from what I've seen > the unix user / pizza eater correlation is pretty high, but we can go > with whatever food people can agree on. I just prefer the K.I.S.S. > model for things like this. > > Videocasting: My geeky side says this is an awesome idea, and my life > experience side says that it makes sense to establish an attendee base > (people will want to have something interesting to log in and watch) > and possibly a regular venue where we can be sure of stable upstream > network bandwidth. I have some experience with CCTV and voice/video > over IP, so when the time comes I'd be happy to help with this. > Perhaps a Yahoo Business account for hosting? It's Yahoo, so it's better than some cheeseball like DreamHost, plus they feature unlimited bandwidth and disk space. No root access, so we'd probably have to use them as a file dumping ground only, and just mod_proxy to them from a more controlled routing server... perhaps? I'm just floating possible setups past at this point. Also to consider is Amazon's web services. I've been bouncing around the 'net for a long time always on the Quest for the Better Host, but I'll be interested to hear what other suggestions others have. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 258 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Sat Jun 7 21:35:50 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:35:50 -0700 Subject: [buug] Impressions of First Meeting In-Reply-To: <66e006d50806071844n7f0c105bh91b26d7044ff4e40@mail.gmail.com> References: <66e006d50806071844n7f0c105bh91b26d7044ff4e40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Very positive and yet very constructive feedback. How awesome! And, I also completely agree with all of your points. Take care everyone... Cheers, Glen -- 415-680-3964 glen at glenjarvis.com http://www.glenjarvis.com "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi On Jun 7, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Windsor Schmidt wrote: > I had a good time, thanks people for showing up. I have a few random > thoughts about the meet-up. If any of this sounds like criticism, then > rest assured it's of the positive variety. > > Venue: I'm assuming most computer people (and those interested in > performing installs) are going to want easy access to power and > internet. I'm not an expert of the Cal campus - but I think we should > brainstorm on a location that has both in abundance, and possibly some > cheaper food (and/or beer) nearby. > > Agenda: It looks like there are only so many people that will actually > be performing installs at any given meeting, so the idea of prepared > talks on various topics sounds good to me, however I personally like > the idea of a large block of our time being used to simply talk about > BSD/Linux and technology in general. > > Food: How about we all ante up pizza money at the start of the > meeting, order via cell-phone, and send someone out to retrieve the > pizza? From experience, my bicycle bag holds at least a large size > pizza box, so I can volunteer on this. =) Also, from what I've seen > the unix user / pizza eater correlation is pretty high, but we can go > with whatever food people can agree on. I just prefer the K.I.S.S. > model for things like this. > > Videocasting: My geeky side says this is an awesome idea, and my life > experience side says that it makes sense to establish an attendee base > (people will want to have something interesting to log in and watch) > and possibly a regular venue where we can be sure of stable upstream > network bandwidth. I have some experience with CCTV and voice/video > over IP, so when the time comes I'd be happy to help with this. > > See you guys next time, > > -Windsor > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug From glen at glenjarvis.com Sat Jun 7 21:37:36 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:37:36 -0700 Subject: [buug] Fwd: [SHDH] Memorial Event For Eric S. Tiedemann 1966-2008 References: <381bcfe5-7140-41ac-b2de-bcec0aaac52d@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Super Happy Dev House (SHDH) came up several times in discussion today. As a result, I'm forwarding this email I just received. Warmest Regards, Glen Jarvis -- 415-680-3964 glen at glenjarvis.com http://www.glenjarvis.com "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi Begin forwarded message: > From: David Weekly > Date: June 7, 2008 6:14:04 PM PDT > To: SuperHappyDevHouse Announcements > Subject: [SHDH] Memorial Event For Eric S. Tiedemann 1966-2008 > Reply-To: dweekly at gmail.com > > > (From Meridith Patterson, concerning a memorial service Eric > Tiedemann, who was a frequent DevHouser) > > Next Sunday, June 15th, at Cellspace (2050 Bryant St., San Francisco), > there will be a memorial event for Eric Tiedemann. Bring your > glowsticks, your pink furry hats and your candy-raver pants as we > share our memories of a brilliant programmer, a pillar of the Bay Area > dance scene, an insightful thinker and a good friend. > > This event will be alcohol-free (we'll provide sodas, water, &c), and > children are welcome. Doors at 7pm, no cover. Bring your laptop if > you'd rather hack than dance -- there will be wifi, but there'll also > be a great mix of chill/trip-hop/breakbeat/drum'n'bass/psy-trance to > get your groove on to. > > Please feel free to pass this on to others who knew Eric. He had a > wide and varied range of friends, and we all saw different sides of > him during his life; let's get together and celebrate the time we had > with him, and help one another say goodbye. > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "SuperHappyDevHouse Announcements" group. > To post to this group, send email to SHDH-Announce at googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to SHDH-Announce-unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/SHDH-Announce?hl=en > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john_re at fastmail.us Mon Jun 9 10:01:52 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:01:52 -0700 Subject: [buug] missed connection, speaker arranging - was: Re: ANNOUNCE: BAD Meeting TOMORROW... In-Reply-To: <31D56BE1-088B-4EA1-B0F6-9548D36E364B@glenjarvis.com> References: <1212744965.681.1257079917@webmail.messagingengine.com> <31D56BE1-088B-4EA1-B0F6-9548D36E364B@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: <1213030912.21796.1257519219@webmail.messagingengine.com> > > Keith said: > > > Did I make the classic newbie mistake of showing up on time? I was at > > > Evans Hall 12 to 12:40 but no sign of the potluck. Keith Keith Keith! What were you thinking???!!! :( Oh, man. . . . Oh, well. Since I don't think we've ever met IRL, (have we?) I'm not going to be hard on you. ;) You must have just missed Glen by seconds. I'm very sorry about that. OK, well, it was my fault for being late. I'm sorry about that. There's been just too much to do pulling this meeting together, together with my other real responsibilities. Where were you coming from? From the time of your messages, I'm thinking you must have been close by. If yes, was there not enough time to head back & meet us when you wrote at 2:23pm? We were there till about 5:45pm. I was especially looking forward to meeting you because you suggested the idea for the backup talk, which Andrew then found Tom Belote as a speaker for. I wanted to talk with you about my ideas for "attendee arranged talks", where the person who has an idea for a talk, if a speaker is available, basically handles arrangements for the speaker. I think it should all be pretty easy - just a few emails to exchange. I wanted to see if you thought that was feasible in general, & if you thought you could handle that for Tom Belote. What do you think? Keith wrote: > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > > Keith, > > I'm sorry to have missed you. I was also running late and so were about 9 > > other who are here now.... I'm not sure how long we are staying.. I'm > > just a n00b myself sitting in the corner trying to get work done. If it Aside: n00b. Oh, yeah, right. ;) - Glen is actually about 25 years old and has about 20 years experience. > > helps, we've moved to the Free Speech Cafe - outdoors and are just > > chatting.... looking for a hub so we can share a connection. > > > > I'm not sure how helpful this is... But, I hope I could help a little. > > Thanks for the update. I'll try to be fashionably late next month. Actually, given the exact problem you had - being on time & there was noone there yet - I'm thinking that it would be good to have a backup person who would commit to being early for the meeting, in case I for some reason run late again. (Not that I hope that will ever happen.) Given that you were so bright eyed & bushy tailed, might you be willing to do that? I'm sure there must be some special kind of perks, but I can't think what they are. Maybe you'd get an extra "thank you" from me. Please let me know. If you can't or don't want to handle the arrangements with Tom, that's fine. Let me know & I'll take care of it. I hope to have the room arranged for next meeting soon, & will be making sure we have a display system. I'm hoping to get two adjacent rooms - one for the talks, another for the installfest/socializing. PS, everyone: I'm 90% sure I'll be aiming to have the next meeting be Saturday July 5, in Evans Hall. Hopefully I'll have more info in a few days. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - And now for something completely different From kwgoodman at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 10:55:20 2008 From: kwgoodman at gmail.com (Keith Goodman) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:55:20 -0700 Subject: [buug] missed connection, speaker arranging - was: Re: ANNOUNCE: BAD Meeting TOMORROW... In-Reply-To: <1213030912.21796.1257519219@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1212744965.681.1257079917@webmail.messagingengine.com> <31D56BE1-088B-4EA1-B0F6-9548D36E364B@glenjarvis.com> <1213030912.21796.1257519219@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:01 AM, john_re wrote: > I was especially looking forward to meeting you because you suggested > the idea for the backup talk, which Andrew then found Tom Belote as a > speaker for. I wanted to talk with you about my ideas for "attendee > arranged talks", where the person who has an idea for a talk, if a > speaker is available, basically handles arrangements for the speaker. I > think it should all be pretty easy - just a few emails to exchange. I > wanted to see if you thought that was feasible in general, & if you > thought you could handle that for Tom Belote. > > What do you think? I'm going to be offline for a few weeks. So I can't make the arrangements. From glen at glenjarvis.com Mon Jun 9 19:21:05 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:21:05 -0700 Subject: [buug] ACCU meeting on Wednesday 'Google App Engine' References: <484DAE90.8040207@gbbservices.com> Message-ID: <484395F5-0F42-455F-A2C5-D4B39B73EC27@glenjarvis.com> I received this information on the Google App Engine. We expressed interest in this during our talk, so I wanted to forward it on. It is in Mountain View, but we may be able to carpool. Please also note that this may be the same information that was presented at Google Camp Fire One (http://code.google.com/campfire/ Bottom video on page). I have no idea how different this information is, but, there's also a community aspect of showing in person. I'm not currently committing to going - this is for your information only.... Warmest Regards, Glen Jarvis Begin forwarded message: > > Feel free to forward this notice to anyone who is interested. > > When: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 > Topic: Google App Engine: your apps, Google infrastructure > Speaker: Ryan Barrett > Time: 6:30pm doors open > 7:00pm meeting begins > Where: Symantec > VCAFE building > 350 Ellis Street (near E. Middlefield Road) > Mountain View, CA 94043 > Map: > Directions: VCAFE is accessible from the semicircular courtyard > between Symantec buildings > Cost: Free > More Info: > > Google App Engine represents the first steps in opening the Google > server infrastructure to external web applications. > > In this talk you will learn about the building blocks and APIs of > Google App Engine and learn in what ways it is similar and different > to developing LAMP web applications. There may also be a > demonstration of constructing a web application for Google App > Engine using the first supported language - Python. > > Ryan Barrett is the lead engineer on the Google App Engine > datastore. He's a systems engineer at heart who happened to get > sidetracked into making webapps scale. Before App Engine, Ryan > worked on transaction processing, database sharing, distributed and > grid computing, and network protocols. Outside of work, Ryan > contributes to open source projects. > > ---- > > The ACCU meets monthly. To suggest topics and speakers please email > Walter Vannini via walterv at gbbservices.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From john_re at fastmail.us Mon Jun 9 21:23:26 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:23:26 -0700 Subject: [buug] Windsor, Keith: UBThere?- was Re: Tom Belote is willing to speak about backup In-Reply-To: <66e006d50806031509j3dfffd64u3b30c30bdf5ac0c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <00c601c8c5a7$bec63450$8600000a@afmeatloaf> <66e006d50806031509j3dfffd64u3b30c30bdf5ac0c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213071806.12366.1257620395@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi Windsor & Keith - will you please both reply to this message? (Or you, dear reader, if you'd be willing to commit to attend this talk.) In this thread you both said you'd be interested in this. Since the BITP is a new group, there is not yet many "policies & procedures" in place as to how to handle things like speaker selection, etc. See my previous post in this thread for my ideas & suggestions. Right now, Having Tom speak seems like a good idea, so I'm thinking: you two tell me the probability you each will be there Sat July 5 to hear Tom if he can come & talk, & if ether of you says "100%, yes I'll definitely commit to being there" - or, if anyone else on this list speaks up & makes such a commitment, then I say lets get on with giving Tom a definite invitation, say we've definitely got at least one person who will come to hear him talk, & get a commitment from him to come speak. So, Windsor, Keith, or anyone else: are you willing to commit 100% to be there for his talk? I'd like to get this done this week, so there is a lot of time to put into announcements that we have this talk scheduled, so people know they can come to hear this talk. Also - Windsor (or whoever states a 100% commitment to be there) - since Keith said in his recent reply he'll be out of town for a few weeks, in line with my idea of "self sufficiency", if you commit to being there, since you seem to me like a capable guy, would you be willing to handle arrangements with Tom? I'm suspecting all it involves is a few email, or a phone conversation or two, to find out any special reauirements or concerns he has, communicate them to the list, & someone will hopefully get anything necesary taken care of. I'd bet most speakers need no more than a video display, & there is one in one of the rooms I'm going to try to get arranged, so basically that's all taken care of for you. We also need to figure out a time for the talk, & how long a talk will he give? I'm open to anything reasonable. It could be 15m to 2h, whatever Tom wants to do, & you all want to hear. As a starting point, how is 1p-2pm? Part of the reason I suggest that time is cause I'm gonna try to see if we can get the video live streamed, & I'm gonna try to contact 10 LUGs around the Americas to ask them if they want to set up simultaneous events & receive the transmission for their members. 1p Berkeley = 4pm Boston/NY/DC = 5P Rio de Janeiro = 3P Lima (OLPC land) = 10A Honolulu = 3P Chicago = 5ASun Tokyo = 9P Dublin = 10P Rome = 4ASun Beijing = 1:45ASun Kathmandu = 7ASun Vladivostok = 11P Baghdad = 9P Timbuktu I do suppose someone (whom I'm guessing will be me) has to go to the room a week or more ahead of time & get the operating procedures for the video display, & verify it is working, & get a phone # for the Av department at Berkeley in case the equipment isn't working. On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:09:09 -0700, "Windsor Schmidt" said: > I'm interested in this. Currently I use rsync to backup from my two > machines two my network gateway / 'sandbox' server. It works well, but > I'd be happy to hear others' perspectives on personal backup routines > under Linux. > > -Windsor > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Fife wrote: > > Keith Goodman wrote: > >>I'd like to hear a talk on backup programs, especially duplicity. > > > > John Reagan responded: > >>Great idea. Do yo know anyone who might could give it?? > > > > I spoke with Tom Belote and he would be willing to give a talk on backup > > from a Linux perspective at the July meeting. Tom is quite knowledgeable > > about backup having spent much of 06/07 writing a backup application for a > > previous startup. > > > > Please let me know if this is something that BUUG is interested in. > > > > -Andrew > > > > -- > > Andrew Fife > > Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway > > www.untangle.com/download > > > > 650.425.3327 desk > > 415.806.6028 cell -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. From afife at untangle.com Mon Jun 9 23:19:58 2008 From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 23:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] Andrew Morton @ BALUG (New Date = 6/24) Message-ID: <00cd01c8cac2$08bbf120$4101a8c0@afmeatloaf> Howdy Folks: BALUG is very proud to host Andrew Morton as our speaker on Tuesday, June 24th. (PLEASE NOTE: this is not our regular meeting date... There will be NO MEETING on the 3rd Tuesday) Andrew Morton is a lead linux kernel developer and a key kernel maintainer. Andrew Morton is curious what you want to hear him speak about, so please let us know if you have any questions for him. More on Andrew Morton here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Morton_(computer_programmer) If you'd like to come, please RSVP: RSVP at balug.org ===Why RSVP?=== RSVPs are really important to BALUG, but don't worry we won't turn you away if you forget or decide to come last minute. However, if we don't have enough RSVPs by the Friday before the meeting, we won't be able to eat buffet style in the private banquet room upstairs. It's a much nicer meeting to have the upstairs banquet room, so please RSVP early... Why not now? Meeting Details... 6:30pm June 24th, 2008 (Tuesday) Four Seas Restaurant 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy $5 Parking: http://www.portsmouthsquaregarage.com/ Cost = $13 for dinner, but the meeting itself is free Upcoming 2008 speakers include: July - Mike Linksyaver (Creative Commons) Aug - TBD Sept - Ian Murdock (Debian & Sun) Signup for BALUG's extremely low volume announce list: http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org About BALUG: ------------ BALUG is lively gathering of Linux users & free software enthusiasts that combines great food, community & intimate access to featured speakers. We meet in the bar of the Four Seas Restaurant from 6:30pm. 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URL: From john_re at fastmail.us Tue Jun 10 17:59:55 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:59:55 -0700 Subject: [buug] Shall we invite Tom for Backup? - was Re: Tom Belote is willing to speak about backup Message-ID: <1213145995.15219.1257809011@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi everyone - I'm reposting this because I see it didn't get onto the buug archives, & since there's been no replies in one day, and this is a time crucial matter for planning & scheduling, I want to make sure this gets to the list. Will _you_ dear reader please reply to the list on this message (if noone has yet) just to say you've received it - so at least I'll know it got through? Thankyou. ========= Hi Windsor & Keith (and Everyone) - will you please both reply to this message? (Or you, dear reader, if you'd be willing to commit to attend this talk.) W & K: In this thread you both said you'd be interested in this. Since the BITP is a new group, there is not yet many "policies & procedures" in place as to how to handle things like speaker selection, etc. See my previous post in this thread for my ideas & suggestions. Right now, Having Tom speak seems like a good idea, so I'm thinking: you two tell me the probability you each will be there Sat July 5 to hear Tom if he can come & talk, & if ether of you says "100%, yes I'll definitely commit to being there" - or, if anyone else on this list speaks up & makes such a commitment, then I say lets get on with giving Tom a definite invitation, say we've definitely got at least one person who will come to hear him talk, & get a commitment from him to come speak. So, Windsor, Keith, or anyone else: are you willing to commit 100% to be there for his talk? I'd like to get this done this week, so there is a lot of time to put into announcements that we have this talk scheduled, so people know they can come to hear this talk. Also - Windsor (or whoever states a 100% commitment to be there) - since Keith said in his recent reply he'll be out of town for a few weeks, in line with my idea of "self sufficiency", if you commit to being there, since you seem to me like a capable guy, would you be willing to handle arrangements with Tom? I'm suspecting all it involves is a few email, or a phone conversation or two, to find out any special reauirements or concerns he has, communicate them to the list, & someone will hopefully get anything necesary taken care of. I'd bet most speakers need no more than a video display, & there is one in one of the rooms I'm going to try to get arranged, so basically that's all taken care of for you. We also need to figure out a time for the talk, & how long a talk will he give? I'm open to anything reasonable. It could be 15m to 2h, whatever Tom wants to do, & you all want to hear. As a starting point, how is 1p-2pm? Part of the reason I suggest that time is cause I'm gonna try to see if we can get the video live streamed, & I'm gonna try to contact 10 LUGs around the Americas to ask them if they want to set up simultaneous events & receive the transmission for their members. 1p Berkeley = 4pm Boston/NY/DC = 5P Rio de Janeiro = 3P Lima (OLPC land) = 10A Honolulu = 3P Chicago = 5ASun Tokyo = 9P Dublin = 10P Rome = 4ASun Beijing = 1:45ASun Kathmandu = 7ASun Vladivostok = 11P Baghdad = 9P Timbuktu I do suppose someone (whom I'm guessing will be me) has to go to the room a week or more ahead of time & get the operating procedures for the video display, & verify it is working, & get a phone # for the Av department at Berkeley in case the equipment isn't working. On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:09:09 -0700, "Windsor Schmidt" said: > I'm interested in this. Currently I use rsync to backup from my two > machines two my network gateway / 'sandbox' server. It works well, but > I'd be happy to hear others' perspectives on personal backup routines > under Linux. > > -Windsor > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Fife wrote: > > Keith Goodman wrote: > >>I'd like to hear a talk on backup programs, especially duplicity. > > > > John Reagan responded: > >>Great idea. Do yo know anyone who might could give it?? > > > > I spoke with Tom Belote and he would be willing to give a talk on backup > > from a Linux perspective at the July meeting. Tom is quite knowledgeable > > about backup having spent much of 06/07 writing a backup application for a > > previous startup. > > > > Please let me know if this is something that BUUG is interested in. > > > > -Andrew > > > > -- > > Andrew Fife > > Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway > > www.untangle.com/download > > > > 650.425.3327 desk > > 415.806.6028 cell -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again From windsor.schmidt at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 18:08:37 2008 From: windsor.schmidt at gmail.com (Windsor Schmidt) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:08:37 -0700 Subject: [buug] Message Received Message-ID: <484F2595.7020708@gmail.com> The list seems to be working. I'm not 100% for July 5th at the moment, but haven't had time to look at my schedule yet. -Windsor From john_re at fastmail.us Tue Jun 10 18:39:30 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:39:30 -0700 Subject: [buug] July 5 talk about Backups RSVP% =?? - Please post yours, Thanks. Message-ID: <1213148370.23162.1257813397@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:08:37 -0700, "Windsor Schmidt" said: > I'm not 100% for July 5th at the moment, but haven't had time to look at > my schedule yet. I'm thinking, maybe we might be better to do speaker interest determination RSVP % wise? Because, probably few people can make a commitment 100% a month in advance, but as a group, using %'s, we can get a probabilistic idea of if there will be attendees (I'm thinking there probably will be definite interest in the Backup talk). By the way, as a reference point, at the last meeting IIRC about 10 of 11 people raised hands for "I'd like to have talks at the meeting". OK, Windsor, & everyone else - Tom's Backup talk fate is in your hands now - Everyone please - If you think there is a 50-100% probability you will attend the meeting & want to hear a talk about Backups, please reply to this message with the % you will be there to hear the talk. The proposed time for the talk would be 1-2PM. Ex: July 5 Backup talk RSVP%=xx where xx is: your best current estimate of the probability you'd attend on Saturday July 5, using probability of 100 75 or 50%, & PUT your % # IN THE SUBJECT LINE OF THE MESSAGE. (Thankyou) Equation between probability % and english language concepts: 100 = definitely 75 = more likely than not 50 = maybe ===== Referencing: I spoke with Tom Belote and he would be willing to give a talk on backup from a Linux perspective at the July meeting. Tom is quite knowledgeable about backup having spent much of 06/07 writing a backup application for a previous startup. Please let me know if this is something that BUUG is interested in. -Andrew -- Andrew Fife Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway www.untangle.com/download 650.425.3327 desk 415.806.6028 cell -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free From john_re at fastmail.us Tue Jun 10 21:55:24 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:55:24 -0700 Subject: [buug] [svlug] Good try, and suggestions- was: RE: What went wrong? was: Re: Installfest? Message-ID: <1213160124.29894.1257835469@webmail.messagingengine.com> -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class ----- Original message ----- From: "john_re" To: svlug at lists.svlug.org Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:19:33 -0700 Subject: [svlug] Good try, and suggestions- was: RE: What went wrong? was: Re: Installfest? Tony - thank you for taking time to let us know what happened. You did do a large number of things right: 1) you read the long (rightfully so) & detailed announcement rather well 2) you prepared well, bringing not only plentiful computer related hardware, 3) but also bringing stuff for the potluck (& it sounded delicious!) 4) You printed out a map 5) You got all the way to Berkeley, and got to the campus 6) When you found the streets & signs confusing you asked directions from a should be informed (hence good choice) public official - a cop 7) You got to Hearst mining circle, thus were right outside Evans 8) You parked nearby 9) You looked around for an open entrance 10) You asked a person nearby for information, who also happened to have portable internet access it seemed. He apparently looked for info on the campus website (there was no info there, this was just organized basically on the buug.org list) At this point I can say I apologize to you. I got delayed getting there. With 20/20 hindsight, there were some important things I had done, that I had thought important at the time, that I _could_ have passed up, that would have enabled me to instead get there on time to put up some signs. All I can say is that I am doing this event as an unpaid, unreimbursed, "volunteer for the community" effort, in my part time, on very short notice, on my own, without any assistance, when I have a number of primary responsibilities & other things to do with my time. And that this was the first meeting, and thus there were bound to be some first time hiccups. ===== While it won't change the past, if you'd like, I have some thoughts that might be valuable to you in the future. 1) If you haven't yet, obtain & read Douglas Adams' _The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy_. And, as a side note, don't put the book down maybe 10-20% of the way through, like I did the first time I read it, because the events described seem ridiculously unrealistic, even for a fictional world. Keep reading. It will make sense. The reason I mention THGG is that in there, they have this thing, called, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, (what else). It's like a portable electronic book. It is a wholly remarkable book. And maybe the most important thing about it, is that it has, on it's cover, inscribed in large friendly letters, the words "DON'T PANIC". THGG, the book of fiction, is a very valuable life reference. IMO on par with the Boy Scout Handbook. >From your description of the events, it seems that you encountered some setbacks (lack of street signs, non "loading" parking is about a long block away, locked & deserted looking 1st floor of the building (the "ground" floor is right at ground level, one floor down on the downhill side of the building), not many people around, no obvious other attendees carrying equipment, you thought you should have preRSVP'd - (you didn't need to - that was optional)), and the sum combination of these things caused you to lose hope. You needn't have! You must have been within 1 floor, or 30 feet, of the meeting room, and the _second_ person who had arrived for the meeting must have been maybe 30 feet from you, one floor down, while you were there. And, the doors were open - at both the NW & SW entrances - because the other attendees all got in, and there was a group of 50 looked to be high school students (hence not campus knowledgeable Berkeley insiders) taking what looked to be a college entrance exam in the biggest classroom on the ground floor, just 10 feet & directly across the hall from room 5. 2) You could have re-read the notice part where I talked about the nearby parking facility, and driven & parked there. Then you wouldn't have been stressed out about leaving your car parked in a loading zone area, you would have been more relaxed. You could have leisurely walked back to and around the building - which would probably have resulted in you finding the NW & SW doors on the ground floor that were open, & you'd have found room 5, and met the second arriving attendee. Even if not that, you could have looked around, & wandered around the campus a bit. 3) You could have asked locations & gone to one of the nearby libraries, & used a public internet terminal, or asked someone with a laptop to look up the announcement, & the buug.org mailing list, to see if there was any last minute info. In fact there was, I posted the 12 hour ahead of time announcement, so you would have seen recent information indicating the event _was_ going forward as planned. [buug] BerkITP Locations, Evans, Talks - 12 hour update http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2008-June/003075.html You'd have see there was _no_ cancellation notice. 4) You could have thought "The event is scheduled for 6 hours, from 12n-6pm. Maybe I'm just the really eager on time one, & the others are more laid back, or got delayed. I'll just relax for at least 25% of the scheduled meeting time, read a book, or wander down & find out what's going on on Telegraph Avenue for a while, & see if the other people show up - rather than leave just 30 minutes after the starting time of a 6 hour event. ===== One of the useful things Chris Miller said, in one of his posts to SVLUG, was to point out to me something I'd forgotten - the 1st time experience of Evans Hall. I have been around Evans hall for more than 30 years. I've seen it from every perspective possible, both on & off campus, & have walked through all it's public hallways on every floor, from basement to the top, 10th floor. I have long since lost my 1st impression memories of the building. Chris's note reminded me that for a first time visitor, the downhill side "ground" floor might be kinda hard to notice at first. I will make a special mention about this fact in my future meeting announcements. ===== Well, anyway, it was a minor tragedy, no body parts were lost, and was a learning experience for you. I hope you enjoyed the drive. Next month, for the July 5th Saturday meeting, you might want to post a carpool notice to SVLUG, saying you'll offer a ride in exchange for gas money. There will a month's notice to the group about the event, so many more people will have found out about it, and be thinking about attending than from the first, only 1 day ahead of time, announcement. You might could even hook up with Chris Miller, in Pleasanton, & another guy who came in from Moraga (just the other side of the Berkeley hills). Carpooling saves money, is fun, & gives you a chance to chat about interesting things with interesting people on the way to & from the event. I've carpooled to many events throughout California. I hope you can come to the next meeting. I hope you can bring some potluck stuff - what you brought Saturday sounded really excellent. The July meeting is going to have even more stuff going on, and should be great fun & educational & productive. All the attendees at the first meeting thought it was a great event. (I'm going to post a meeting summary in the next few days, as soon as I can make some time available.) Hope to see you there, Saturday July 5, probably 10AM - 6PM, probably Evans hall again. Best wishes. John On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:26:13 -0700, "Tony Hartzell" said: > John, > I arrived in Berkeley on Piedmont/Gayley at about 11:00. My > directions from GoogleMaps said to turn left on University Dr...I > couldn't find a sign for University Dr, so I started asking people where > it was. I finally met some people who gave me some circuitous route from > where I was. (It turns out I was at University/Gayley at the time.) I > drove around and finally saw a cop who told me I was about 200 yards > from Hearst Mining Circle (also no street sign), where the Evans Bldg > is. At about 11:45, I walked around the bldg, and all the doors were > locked, and didn't see any activity inside or notice posted. I asked > anybody who walked by if there was anywhere I could find info about > events on campus that day. I grew uncomfortable having my car sit in > what was obviously not a parking lot, so I moved it a couple times. At > about 12:25 I met a guy who whipped out his PDA and for well over 5 > minutes tried to find anything having to do with linux, BSD or Evans > hall. He asked if I was absolutely sure it was today, so I showed him > the Email. He tried a few other things and then gave up. Not having seen > anyone else bring equipment to the bldg, I cursed myself for not > rsvp-ing (which I didn't see 'til I showed him the Email), and assumed > the installfest was cancelled. > Tony > P.S. In addition to food, I brought a router, switch, lots of Ethernet > cables & extension cords. > P.P.S. As for me being very knowledgeable, I'm not. I have a commitment > here in Hollister every Wednesday at 8:00PM, so I haven't made any SVLUG > meetings in over 2 yrs, but I am on the mailing list. > > -----Original Message----- > From: john_re [mailto:john_re at fastmail.us] > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:54 AM > To: Tony Hartzell; svlug at lists.svlug.org > Subject: What went wrong? was: Re: [svlug] Installfest? > > Oh, Tony - this is terrible! > > I'm the guy who created & organized the event. > > You must be very disappointed, & angry too. I'd be too, if I showed up > at an announced event after driving so far & the doors were locked & > there were no notices! > > If I'm responsible for the problem, I apologize profusely. > > There were, besides myself, 11 other people at the meeting, (two came > from Pleasanton after seeing the notice on SVLUG, & one came from > Sacramento after seeing the same notice on the LUGOD list). From john_re at fastmail.us Tue Jun 10 21:56:15 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:56:15 -0700 Subject: [buug] [svlug] Good try, and suggestions- was: RE: What went wrong? was: Re: Installfest? Message-ID: <1213160175.29986.1257835359@webmail.messagingengine.com> -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web ----- Original message ----- From: "Tony Hartzell" To: "'john_re'" , svlug at lists.svlug.org Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:41:44 -0700 Subject: RE: [svlug] Good try, and suggestions- was: RE: What went wrong? was: Re: Installfest? John, You and Chris are right, I didn't see (or look for) a lower level, I just assumed the level accessible from Hearst Mining Cr would be the entrance. What with the traffic and all, I doubt I'll be revisiting UCB any time soon, even if I'm certain of where I'm going. As for carpooling, I could only accommodate someone with very little equipment who would be willing to leave early. In addition to my computer stuff, I have a rather bulky PA system that I use to record speakers at 7:00 Saturdays in Gilroy (for another group I belong to). If you try this again, I would suggest that you provide contact info for you and any other organizers involved, and display it PROMINENTLY in your announcement. Also, get the venue nailed down. I won't attend another installfest where internet access is iffy. If I would have found out on Saturday that you were just sitting around talking, I would've been even more peeved. I was really looking forward to some hands-on activity with a few gurus (Rick Moen among them) available for advice. I was hoping to leave with a secure LAMP server, having learned many administration techniques for Debian, Apache, MySQL, PHP and other things that to an expert are obvious, but don't occur to me. -----Original Message----- From: svlug-bounces+hartzellt=charter.net at lists.svlug.org [mailto:svlug-bounces+hartzellt=charter.net at lists.svlug.org] On Behalf Of john_re Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:20 PM To: svlug at lists.svlug.org Subject: [svlug] Good try, and suggestions- was: RE: What went wrong? was: Re: Installfest? Tony - thank you for taking time to let us know what happened. You did do a large number of things right: 1) you read the long (rightfully so) & detailed announcement rather well 2) you prepared well, bringing not only plentiful computer related hardware, 3) but also bringing stuff for the potluck (& it sounded delicious!) 4) You printed out a map ... From john_re at fastmail.us Tue Jun 10 21:57:41 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:57:41 -0700 Subject: [buug] [svlug] Brief Success Summary, Call4Speakers, Attendees, July5 Sat BerkeleyITP was:Re: Good try, and suggestions... Message-ID: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class ----- Original message ----- From: "john_re" To: svlug at lists.svlug.org Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:20:57 -0700 Subject: [svlug] Brief Success Summary, Call4Speakers, Attendees, July5 Sat BerkeleyITP was:Re: Good try, and suggestions... On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:22:24 -0700, "Chris DiBona" said: > I gotta say, when I see the work and effort you put into this letter, > I gotta wonder how it was that the installfest didn't work out > organizationally.... Hey! Thanks for the kind words, Chris! You're not just writing cause I used a maps.google.com link in my announcement, are you? ;) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=&daddr=37.873592,-122.257807&mra=mi&mrsp=0&sz=16&sll=37.873625,-122.257807&sspn=0.008825,0.012703&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16 [Damn googlers, trying to get their company's name in the press all the time. ;) ] Actually, it was a really great event, awesomely exceeded my expectations (except for the two people out of 14 who left, tragically after 30-40 minutes, on a 6 hour long event, almost as everyone else was arriving), and everyone had a good time. Super short summary: only two people _wanted_ install help, & they got the help. The rest all just came cause they wanted to converse with one another. They did, and it was great. 11 people, besides myself, came from as far as Pleasanton, San Francisco & Sacramento. And 6 of the 11 came from seeing announcements that only went out about 24 hours before the event! Rember - I'm just organizing this part time, by myself, volunteer, unpaid, on top of all my normal responsibilities I've got. & I only came up with the idea 2.5 weeks before the event. When it was over, I ran some errands, came home & fell asleep. Sunday, I had to spend most of my time catching up on my responsibilities, but I took an hour or so to do a writeup about the event when it was still fresh in my mind. But, there wasn't enough time to get the announcement out. Monday, more regular responsibilities, & a bit of work on planning for next months meeting, and.my note to Tony Hartzell to try to find out why he wasn't able to get to the meeting since he'd been right there. Still no time to get the meeting summary out. Today, more regular responsibilities, more work on July 5th Saturday meeting. Read Tony's message & write reply. And, hopefully, within the next 24 hours I'm going to be able to make time to get the meeting summary out, first to the buug.org mailing list, then svlug, then the rest of the groups I posted the meeting announcement to. http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2008-June/thread.html ===== CALL FOR SPEAKERS, ALL AMERICAS EVENT, VIDEO STREAMED TALKS Chris, part of the reason I'm responding to your email so fast is that you & Leslie & Guido & Andrew Morton are on my todo list for the next few days to get a "Call for Speakers" message to in the hopes that you all might know someone who might like to speak at a BSD/GNU-Linux event - our Berkeley ITP July 5 Saturday meeting, hopefully 10AM-6PM at UCB - or any of the upcoming meetings - the plan is to have it the first Saturday of each month. I thought, since you're likely more familiar with the BITP I'm creating than L G or AM, I'd just give you a heads up right now the request will be coming your way, & it would perhaps give you a day or two extra to see if there's anyone interested in talking. This would be helpful to the Berk Talks, cause the sooner we can get speakers confirmed, the sooner we can put those talks into announcements. The July 5 meeting will be SPECIAL, cause I'm gonna send announcements to about 10 lugs around the AMERICAS (10 cause that's all I can afford time to do, but I will welcome anyone to forward the announcements to other LUGs & invite them to join too) to invite them to schedule SIMULTANEOUS Installfest Talks Potluck events AT THEIR LOCATIONS on July 5, and attempt to RECEIVE THE VIDEO STREAM OF THE TALKS from Berkeley. This is all being done on a "best efforts, let's all get together & help each other & see if we can get this video streaming transmission & reception done" manner. I remember when, who was it? I think Don Marti & Ian Cluft? (& I think there's that other fellow who worked at Cisco & was very involved with helping SVLUG) worked on live streaming of SVLUG several months. Back in about 2001? At Cisco, IIRC. & I personally (with assistance) have video recorded about 5 SVLUG meetings (but have never been able to make the time to get them online yet - they are "in the can", & I'll put them up if I get the time). So, I've got experience doing the video recording, but the streaming will be a step up. All that will be in my July 5 BITP meeting announcement, which I hope to send out this week, to give 3 weeks advance notice to bay area potential attendees, instead of just one day! Note to anyone who wants to attend or pitch in helping with video streaming: join the buug.org list & say "Hi, I'm interested in ...whatever". http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug ===== MEMORIES, FROM THE CORNERS OF MY MIND By the way, Chris - I doubt _you_ remember, but the first 2 SVLUG meetings I attended were at Carl's Jr on North 1st St, and IIRC I think maybe you had just become president, and Dan Kionka was there! Another interesting thing: I've got this thing I wrote about 2 weeks ago on my computer, called "I went to a Garden party", that I'm wanting to send to the SVLUG list, but I've been too busy. Maybe I can make a moment to get that out this week. Look for it! Coming to your computer email list soon! ===== CALL FOR SPEAKERS JULY 5 SATURDAY BERKELEY So: Chris, and _anyone_ - if you know anyone who has anything interesting to say about BSD/GNU-Linux, and could give a talk Sat July 5 in Berkeley, talk length = 15minutes to 1 hour (we're flexible & will accommodate your talk length) - I hereby invite you to POST A MESSAGE to BUUG.ORG mail list, suggesting your talk idea. This is a community run talk accepting managed system - if people on the list respond saying they will come to hear the talk, then the speaker is invited. Ie, we don't have a "speaker coordinator", and I'm trying to avoid having that job. (I spose we could have a speaker coordinator, if anyone wanted to volunteer to do it.) I will, though, arrange for location rooms & video displays & microphones, etc. We will need VOLUNTEERS to help with VIDEO streaming, hw, sw, networking, sysadmin, av, etc, the whole deal - so if anyone wants to help with that they are especially invited to join buug.org. Just doo it! http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug ===== SOME POSSIBLE TALK CATEGORIES, SUBJECTS: Possible talk categories & times: 12N DISTRIBUTIONS - BSD's, Ubuntu Debian RH Suse etc 1P PROGRAMMING/DATABASES - Python, PERL, PHP, TCL, C/C++, Ruby, LISP, FORTRAN, COBOL, MSQL, etc. 2P VIDEOCONFERENCE testing; NETWORKING 3P BAD - Bay Area Debian MEETING. http://bad.debian.net 4P GUIs - KDE, GNOME. USER APPLICATIONS - Word Proc, Web Browser, Video, Audio 5P ORGANIZING future meetings, Possible subjects: 1) Difference between Ubuntu8.4 & Debian 2) OLPC - Sugar OS project 3) Google Summer of Code - how you can help 4) PGP & personal keysigning 5) Mozilla 3 - the beta's features & how to help - the "show me the code" session? 6) Python08 conference highlights 7) LinuxPicnic (in SiValley) preparations/planning/how to help 8) LinuxWorld Expo San Francisco group booths ===== ATTEND BERKELEY INSTALLFEST TALKS POTLUCK JULY 5 SATURDAY Anyone interested in ATTENDING a great meeting July 5, Installfest, Talks, Potluck, please join the buug.org mailing list. Say "hi" if you wish, or send and RSVP% too, or just lurk. http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug ===== SUMMARY OF UPCOMING MESSAGES (Hopefully being sent this week): June 7 Meeting summary, July 5 Call for Speakers, July 5 Meeting Announcement, July 5 Americas "join us with your local simultaneous Installfest Talks Potluck & receive talk video stream" Best wishes, John > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:19 PM, john_re wrote: > > Tony - thank you for taking time to let us know what happened. > > > > You did do a large number of things right: > > 1) you read the long (rightfully so) & detailed announcement rather well > > 2) you prepared well, bringing not only plentiful computer related > > hardware, > > 3) but also bringing stuff for the potluck (& it sounded delicious!) > > 4) You printed out a map http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=&daddr=37.873592,-122.257807&mra=mi&mrsp=0&sz=16&sll=37.873625,-122.257807&sspn=0.008825,0.012703&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16 From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 22:45:30 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:45:30 -0700 Subject: [buug] [svlug] Brief Success Summary, Call4Speakers, Attendees, July5 Sat BerkeleyITP was:Re: Good try, and suggestions... In-Reply-To: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> In the event that you are unable to find any better speakers, or would like a few speakers on stand-by in the event that someone else bails... I use the Digital Mars D Programming Language (http://www.digitalmars.com/d) extensively in my projects. D is an up-and-coming language which focuses on real-world usability instead of bleeding-edge academic features or rock-solid speed or reliability. It is created and maintained by Walter Bright of Digital Mars, and currently works on both 32-bit Microsoft Windows and 32-bit GNU/Linux (as well as BSD and other 32-bit UNIX platforms if I'm not mistaken). It also has a GCC port called GDC which gives it the ability to work on 64-bit UNIX platforms, as well as experimental functionality on other architectures as well (Ultra SPARC 64 has been reported, as well as PPC). A quick overview of the features of Digital Mars D: o Built-in garbage collection o Dynamic arrays o Easy array concatenation and "slicing" o Associative arrays o Contract programming o Unit testing o Compile-time function execution o Templates o Inline assembler o Link against C libraries and C++ Shared Objects/DLLs o Extensive benchmarking tests have proven D to be approximately as fast as C++! If you're interested in reading further about the D Programming Language, then you can read more on the DocForge wiki: http://docforge.com/wiki/Digital_Mars_D If you would like me to fill some dead air with my funky little language, or at least be on standby in the event that another speaker bails, then let me know so I can start throwing together a slideshow and some demonstration test cases as soon as possible - the longer I have the better it will be, and the more flexible I can make it (able to cut parts out to save time if there's a weird amount of dead time available, etc.) The sooner you let me know if it's something you're possibly interested in the greater time I will also have to discuss with other members of the D Programming Community to build a better (and more dynamic) presentation as well. Just if you're interested (it might not be specifically what you're looking for, which is okay - if you have more Linux-specific topics you should do those /first/). -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman | John 3:16! http://www.fsdev.net/ | http://lordsauron.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 258 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From atporter at primate.net Tue Jun 10 22:57:12 2008 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron Porter) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:57:12 -0700 Subject: [buug] [svlug] Brief Success Summary, Call4Speakers, Attendees, July5 Sat BerkeleyITP was:Re: Good try, and suggestions... In-Reply-To: <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> References: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080611055711.GI30048@primate.net> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:45:30PM -0700, Chris Miller wrote: > D is an up-and-coming language which focuses on real-world usability > instead of bleeding-edge academic features or rock-solid speed or > reliability. Ok, I'll bite. What kind of real world programming tasks are best for a language that offers slow, unreliable functionality? From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 23:18:58 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:18:58 -0700 Subject: [buug] [svlug] Brief Success Summary, Call4Speakers, Attendees, July5 Sat BerkeleyITP was:Re: Good try, and suggestions... In-Reply-To: <20080611055711.GI30048@primate.net> References: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> <20080611055711.GI30048@primate.net> Message-ID: <484F6E52.9060505@gmail.com> Aaron Porter wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:45:30PM -0700, Chris Miller wrote: > >> D is an up-and-coming language which focuses on real-world usability >> instead of bleeding-edge academic features or rock-solid speed or >> reliability. >> > > Ok, I'll bite. What kind of real world programming tasks are best > for a language that offers slow, unreliable functionality? While it is about as fast as C/C++, it doesn't take the stance that everything is secondary to performance. As such it does feature luxuries such as automated garbage collection, or the absolutely brain-dead "everything must be caught as an exception, or else it must be a compile-time-error" dementia of Java. If you can make a Java program compile, it is possible to catch every error through exception handling, bar none. This is excellent for applications where reliability is critical, since if the application is coded correctly is is possible to recover from every error. On the other hand, it does significantly decrease the overall performance of the application. C and C++ are quite possibly the fastest programming languages out there, but they are more difficult to code in due to their lack of integrated garbage collection. There are solutions such as Bohemian Garbage Collection and Boost C++'s shared pointers, but (with the exception of Bohemian) they still require manual resolution of when an object falls out of scope. While there are a lot of programmers who are very talented and have no problem tracking scope information, a lot of newer programmers are not as comfortable with their concepts and forget to do that a lot (causing memory leaks which make restarting the program necessary). The vast majority of programmers are not of the caliber to competently use C and/or C++ effectively, as the "world of software" for Windows has so convieniently demonstrated. Digital Mars D provides the performance on par with C and C++ still with most of the reliability features of slower languages such as Java. As such I would not term it the end-all language (it's not yet managed to beat either camp in either way) but it makes an absolutely fantastic middle ground. It's not specifically for RAD (Rapid Application Development) (languages such as Ruby and Java) and it's not for bleeding-edge performance (embedded C/C++, ASM, etc.) It's the only middle-ground I have yet seen. -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman | John 3:16! http://www.fsdev.net/ | http://lordsauron.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 258 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From john_re at fastmail.us Wed Jun 11 00:33:23 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:33:23 -0700 Subject: [buug] ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest?? DigitalMarsD 6BenefitWordsGoHere In-Reply-To: <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> References: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213169603.27431.1257847945@webmail.messagingengine.com> Great talk suggestion, Chris. Some suggestions: 1) What is the few word subject line? Like, for someone who has never heard of it, like 6 words to append to the subject I wrote. Like: "Easy programming, fast as C almost" - 2) In sales & marketing communications, the concept is FAB: Features, Advantages, Benefits - you want to tell the reader quickly what the benefits are, for somethign they've never heard of before, so they'll quickly grok WHY they might want to hear the talk, so the aprox 6 words shoulld be benefit descriptional, like I tried to guess in #1. 3) What _do_ you use if for? you didn't say. Where are it's application areas? What sw do you write wsith it? 4) Please write a one paragraph description, say 50-75 words of what your talk would be about, for iclusion in the July 7 meeting announcement. Pleae post that to the list with a subject like in this msg with the 6 word benefits added, in about 1-2 days, so I can include it in the local and Americas announcement. 5) I'll put your description in the announcement, & say "if you would like to hear this talk, please joing the buug.org mailing list & reply to the "ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest?? DigitalMarsD 6BenefitWordsGoHere" thread and say you will come to this talk, then it will be scheduled. 6) My suggestion is plan to give a 15 min talk time slot the first time you give the presentation, if this is the first time you've given a talk about it. Baby step your way up to bigger talks. You can always come back in 6 months with a better/morecomplete/whatever talk. 7) Hey - I'm just making up the rules as I go. The above are guidline suggestions. Do whatever you feel is appropriate. If someone says "yes" on the list to hearing your talk, you're on. On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:45:30 -0700, "Chris Miller" said: > In the event that you are unable to find any better speakers, or would > like a few speakers on stand-by in the event that someone else bails... > > I use the Digital Mars D Programming Language > (http://www.digitalmars.com/d) extensively in my projects. D is an > up-and-coming language which focuses on real-world usability instead of > bleeding-edge academic features or rock-solid speed or reliability. It > is created and maintained by Walter Bright of Digital Mars, and > currently works on both 32-bit Microsoft Windows and 32-bit GNU/Linux > (as well as BSD and other 32-bit UNIX platforms if I'm not mistaken). > It also has a GCC port called GDC which gives it the ability to work on > 64-bit UNIX platforms, as well as experimental functionality on other > architectures as well (Ultra SPARC 64 has been reported, as well as > PPC). A quick overview of the features of Digital Mars D: > > o Built-in garbage collection > o Dynamic arrays > o Easy array concatenation and "slicing" > o Associative arrays > o Contract programming > o Unit testing > o Compile-time function execution > o Templates > o Inline assembler > o Link against C libraries and C++ Shared Objects/DLLs > o Extensive benchmarking tests have proven D to be approximately as fast > as C++! > > If you're interested in reading further about the D Programming > Language, then you can read more on the DocForge wiki: > http://docforge.com/wiki/Digital_Mars_D > > If you would like me to fill some dead air with my funky little > language, or at least be on standby in the event that another speaker > bails, then let me know so I can start throwing together a slideshow and > some demonstration test cases as soon as possible - the longer I have > the better it will be, and the more flexible I can make it (able to cut > parts out to save time if there's a weird amount of dead time available, > etc.) The sooner you let me know if it's something you're possibly > interested in the greater time I will also have to discuss with other > members of the D Programming Community to build a better (and more > dynamic) presentation as well. > > Just if you're interested (it might not be specifically what you're > looking for, which is okay - if you have more Linux-specific topics you > should do those /first/). > > -- > Registered Linux Addict #431495 > http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman | John 3:16! > http://www.fsdev.net/ | http://lordsauron.wordpress.com/ > > -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are From john_re at fastmail.us Wed Jun 11 00:51:19 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:51:19 -0700 Subject: [buug] ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest?? DigitalMarsD 6BenefitWordsGoHere In-Reply-To: <1213169603.27431.1257847945@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> <1213169603.27431.1257847945@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1213170679.31533.1257850977@webmail.messagingengine.com> 4.5) In addition, put in your post as long a description as you'd like, so when people see the 75 word description, then come to your message on the list, there they can read your _full_ description of what the talk will be about, so they can decide if they want to hear it. Note, since we're pioneering this "talk approval method" thing doing the mailing list "Ill come to that talk" thing, your long description & short description should be "sales & marketing" oriented - communicate the BENEFITS, (not just the Features & Advantages, ), cause you have to MOTIVATE the reader to TAKE THE ACTION OF POSTING A "YES I'LL ATTEND" MESSAGE, cause you need to get someone to say they;ll attend in order to get approved for a talk time slot. (Err, another way to do this entirely, would be just to prepare a talk, & we'll post a time slot sign up sheet at the meeting, & you can sign up for a slot, & if someone actually shows up to hear your talk during that time slot, THEN you are on. [Of course, you could even choose to give the talk to empty chairs if you wish. I don't mind. :) ]) PS - see the BAD shotgun rules for the spirit of doing this, at bad.debian.net. I mean it - really do read those rules, & email me that you've read them. They really are great. They say - do your best, & don't complain if it doesn't work out. :) FAB example:"It has built in garbage collection, which means less mental work & faster programming, which mean s you have more time to spend with your girl/boyfiriend". On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:33:23 -0700, "john_re" said: > Great talk suggestion, Chris. Some suggestions: > > 1) What is the few word subject line? Like, for someone who has never > heard of it, like 6 words to append to the subject I wrote. Like: "Easy > programming, fast as C almost" - > 2) In sales & marketing communications, the concept is FAB: Features, > Advantages, Benefits - you want to tell the reader quickly what the > benefits are, for somethign they've never heard of before, so they'll > quickly grok WHY they might want to hear the talk, so the aprox 6 words > shoulld be benefit descriptional, like I tried to guess in #1. > 3) What _do_ you use if for? you didn't say. Where are it's application > areas? What sw do you write wsith it? > > 4) Please write a one paragraph description, say 50-75 words of what > your talk would be about, for iclusion in the July 7 meeting > announcement. Pleae post that to the list with a subject like in this > msg with the 6 word benefits added, in about 1-2 days, so I can include > it in the local and Americas announcement. > 5) I'll put your description in the announcement, & say "if you would > like to hear this talk, please joing the buug.org mailing list & reply > to the "ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest?? DigitalMarsD > 6BenefitWordsGoHere" thread and say you will come to this talk, then it > will be scheduled. > 6) My suggestion is plan to give a 15 min talk time slot the first time > you give the presentation, if this is the first time you've given a talk > about it. Baby step your way up to bigger talks. You can always come > back in 6 months with a better/morecomplete/whatever talk. > > 7) Hey - I'm just making up the rules as I go. The above are guidline > suggestions. Do whatever you feel is appropriate. If someone says "yes" > on the list to hearing your talk, you're on. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 11:02:58 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:02:58 -0700 Subject: [buug] ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest?? DigitalMarsD 6BenefitWordsGoHere In-Reply-To: <1213170679.31533.1257850977@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> <1213169603.27431.1257847945@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1213170679.31533.1257850977@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Overall some excellent suggestions! On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:33 AM, john_re wrote: snip! > 5) I'll put your description in the announcement, & say "if you would > like to hear this talk, please joing the buug.org mailing list & reply > to the "ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest?? DigitalMarsD > 6BenefitWordsGoHere" thread and say you will come to this talk, then it > will be scheduled. > 6) My suggestion is plan to give a 15 min talk time slot the first time > you give the presentation, if this is the first time you've given a talk > about it. Baby step your way up to bigger talks. You can always come > back in 6 months with a better/morecomplete/whatever talk. There's already a significant amount of material for talks already out there from the language creator's own presentations. I'm a computer scientist by vocation, and I could literally talk for hours on the subject and be just happy as a clam! Not everyone appreciates it as much as I do, however, so I know I have to limit myself. 15 minutes should be plenty, however. > 7) Hey - I'm just making up the rules as I go. The above are guidline > suggestions. Do whatever you feel is appropriate. If someone says "yes" > on the list to hearing your talk, you're on. Well, for lack of some better ideas about how to run the operation, I'll just work with the rules as you have outlined. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:51 AM, john_re wrote: > 4.5) In addition, put in your post as long a description as you'd like, > so when people see the 75 word description, then come to your message on > the list, there they can read your _full_ description of what the talk > will be about, so they can decide if they want to hear it. > > Note, since we're pioneering this "talk approval method" thing doing the > mailing list "Ill come to that talk" thing, your long description & > short description should be "sales & marketing" oriented - communicate > the BENEFITS, (not just the Features & Advantages, ), cause you have to > MOTIVATE the reader to TAKE THE ACTION OF POSTING A "YES I'LL ATTEND" > MESSAGE, cause you need to get someone to say they;ll attend in order to > get approved for a talk time slot. > > (Err, another way to do this entirely, would be just to prepare a talk, > & we'll post a time slot sign up sheet at the meeting, & you can sign up > for a slot, & if someone actually shows up to hear your talk during that > time slot, THEN you are on. [Of course, you could even choose to give > the talk to empty chairs if you wish. I don't mind. :) ]) PS - see the > BAD shotgun rules for the spirit of doing this, at bad.debian.net. I > mean it - really do read those rules, & email me that you've read them. > They really are great. They say - do your best, & don't complain if it > doesn't work out. :) You read the shotgun rules at the first meeting, and yes, I did go home and read them again. I thought they were so funny that I printed them out and shared them with my other family members. I'm a little reluctant to call a time slot so assertively. Digital Mars D is really not ultra-specifically Linux, and IMHO more Linux-specific media should come first. -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman | John 3:16! http://www.fsdev.net/ | http://lordsauron.wordpress.com/ From atporter at primate.net Wed Jun 11 14:03:03 2008 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron Porter) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:03:03 -0700 Subject: [buug] ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest?? In-Reply-To: <1213169603.27431.1257847945@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> <1213169603.27431.1257847945@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20080611210303.GJ30048@primate.net> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:33:23AM -0700, john_re wrote: > Great talk suggestion, Chris. Some suggestions: Hi John, it's nice to see that you're making an effort to start a new LUG/Install group in the east bay -- but is there a reason you've chosen to use the mailing list of an existing one as your home base? BUUG is a group with a long history and pretty well established personality that's quite different than what you seem to be aiming for. Perhaps its time to setup a new list/site etc? Might help with some of the coordination issues it seems like you had last time, and it would keep my mailbox empty of all these % requests. From bill.honeycutt at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 17:17:15 2008 From: bill.honeycutt at gmail.com (Wm. F. Honeycutt) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:17:15 -0700 Subject: [buug] ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest?? In-Reply-To: <20080611210303.GJ30048@primate.net> References: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> <1213169603.27431.1257847945@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20080611210303.GJ30048@primate.net> Message-ID: <87acd5770806111717u48574895j1f2975476920186d@mail.gmail.com> What I've seen in John's and other's posts seem to fill a niche that is not regularly addressed for the East Bay. John, have you considered how you might host a mailing list on another server, a server other than BUUG? Last Saturday I had other obligations, but I would like to see more regular install-fests on this side of the Bay. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Aaron Porter wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:33:23AM -0700, john_re wrote: > > Great talk suggestion, Chris. Some suggestions: > > Hi John, it's nice to see that you're making an effort to start a > new LUG/Install group in the east bay -- but is there a reason you've > chosen to use the mailing list of an existing one as your home base? BUUG > is a group with a long history and pretty well established personality > that's quite different than what you seem to be aiming for. Perhaps its > time to setup a new list/site etc? Might help with some of the > coordination issues it seems like you had last time, and it would keep my > mailbox empty of all these % requests. > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john_re at fastmail.us Thu Jun 12 01:48:27 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:48:27 -0700 Subject: [buug] Thanks buug.org. Who is buug.org's web&list master...? Hosting? Message-ID: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi - thanks to whomever(s) runs the buug.org site & mailing list. I guess you know I've been making use of the mailing list to organize the BITP. Whom do I thank for having the site, running the site, & running the weak.org host for the mailing list? ===== Question to the list readers, and buug.org web & list admins: I'm organizing the BITP as an unpaid community volunteer. I'll soon be looking to put a website & mailing list together for that entity. I'm not a sysadmin, webmaster, net admin, list admin, no do I want to be. So, I'm looking for a place where all that can be done for me, & I can just basically update web page content & use it's list. All the $ to do this comes out of my pocket, so I'm looking to keep costs down. I guess the options are for me to: 1) find some shared managed hosting for $, or 2) find someone who has web edmin, list admin, etc skills, and has access to existing server hw, web sw, mail sw, etc, who might be willing to, for free or very little $, set that up or assist with this. (I could pay some small $ to offset direct costs, such as internet bandwith, electricity, whatever). Do you have any suggestions for me for either of those options? Thank you. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... From john_re at fastmail.us Thu Jun 12 02:00:37 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:00:37 -0700 Subject: [buug] Tom:Interested? Proposal? was:Re: Tom Belote is willing to speak about backup In-Reply-To: <00c601c8c5a7$bec63450$8600000a@afmeatloaf> References: <00c601c8c5a7$bec63450$8600000a@afmeatloaf> Message-ID: <1213261237.13950.1258064581@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi Tom - I guess you know (cause I've been cc'ing you on this thread) of our members interest in hearing a backup talk. Presuming Andrew was telling the truth [ ;) ] about you being willing to give such a talk, it occurred to me that it would be really great for us to hear from you what your backup related background is, & what you suggest, or could, talk about. Perhaps a 1-4 paragraphs? Are you interested? I'm looking to hold these meetings the first Saturday of each month, 10am-6pm. Talk times & lengths of talks tbd. If interested in speaking, would you like to talk at our July 5 meeting? If you read the mailing list, you'll see I'm putting together the policies & procedures for this as things move along. This description from you could help us move to the next step. If you're interested, will you please subscribe to buug.org's mailing list, & send that info? Thanks much. I look forward to hearing from you. On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:29:13 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew Fife" said: > Keith Goodman wrote: > >I'd like to hear a talk on backup programs, especially duplicity. > > John Reagan responded: > >Great idea. Do yo know anyone who might could give it?? > > I spoke with Tom Belote and he would be willing to give a talk on backup > from a Linux perspective at the July meeting. Tom is quite knowledgeable > about backup having spent much of 06/07 writing a backup application for > a > previous startup. > > Please let me know if this is something that BUUG is interested in. > -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own From john_re at fastmail.us Thu Jun 12 02:14:27 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:14:27 -0700 Subject: [buug] Hi. Thanks. How's dates get updated? In-Reply-To: <667aab920806120035x1d6d39dbn1ed32ff28c8805b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1213143573.6712.1257804385@webmail.messagingengine.com> <000f01c8cb6c$b7adb420$cc0010ac@tony2> <359a3c580806111040h69f1a219p80b92add15094aa6@mail.gmail.com> <667aab920806120035x1d6d39dbn1ed32ff28c8805b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213262067.16019.1258067381@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi Aaron - Did you see my just sent thanks to buug.org webmaster email on the buug list? If that's you - thanks. If you haven't yet read & replied to the questions there, I'd sure appreciate your suggestions. Thankyou. On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:35:47 -0700, "Aaron Porter" said: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:40 AM, David Fox wrote: > > And I didn't see the announcement on the main buug.org web page. If > > it's to be a regular routine thing, it should be there in plain view. > > I had to go through the list archives on buug to get to the > > announcement - at least on that side, as I had already seen it posted > > on svlug. > > I'm not sure this has anything to do with BUUG, other than the > discussion was started on a BUUG list. While the meeting was called in > some vague way as a BAD meeting (though not really) it was added to > that groups page with the full detail given at the time the meeting > was called: > > * The nxt BAD meeting will be held on Saturday, June 7 in > Berkeley in a place TBD. > > BUUG meetings are listed on the BUUG site, and amusingly things still > look current even though my last page edit was nearly 4 years ago. If your last edit was 4 yrs ago, how are the meeting dates added to the buug.org page? Automatically? -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow From jammer at weak.org Thu Jun 12 07:08:02 2008 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:08:02 -0700 Subject: [buug] Thanks buug.org. Who is buug.org's web&list master...? Hosting? In-Reply-To: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20080612140802.GN26823@weak.org> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 01:48:27AM -0700, john_re wrote: > Hi - thanks to whomever(s) runs the buug.org site & mailing list. I > guess you know I've been making use of the mailing list to organize the > BITP. Whom do I thank for having the site, running the site, & running > the weak.org host for the mailing list? Hi there. Weak.org is me, and I host the mailing list. I started BUUG with another guy many moons ago. Aaron took over hosting the buug.org domain a while back, after I moved up to Seattle. > Do you have any suggestions for me for either of those options? I'd be glad to setup another list on weak.org for you. Otherwise, there's plenty of free list services, even Yahoo Groups. -Jon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Thu Jun 12 07:17:42 2008 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:17:42 -0700 Subject: [buug] How's dates get updated? In-Reply-To: <1213262067.16019.1258067381@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213143573.6712.1257804385@webmail.messagingengine.com> <000f01c8cb6c$b7adb420$cc0010ac@tony2> <359a3c580806111040h69f1a219p80b92add15094aa6@mail.gmail.com> <667aab920806120035x1d6d39dbn1ed32ff28c8805b5@mail.gmail.com> <1213262067.16019.1258067381@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1213280262.485130065ee86@webmail.rawbw.com> Quoting john_re : > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:35:47 -0700, "Aaron Porter" > said: > > > > BUUG meetings are listed on the BUUG site, and amusingly things still > > look current even though my last page edit was nearly 4 years ago. > > If your last edit was 4 yrs ago, how are the meeting dates added to the > buug.org page? Automatically? I believe Aaron mentioned some years back, on list, or perhaps at a BUUG meeting, that he'd automated the date updating ... cron job and a perl script ... or something like that. From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 09:32:08 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:32:08 -0700 Subject: [buug] Thanks buug.org. Who is buug.org's web&list master...? Hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080612140802.GN26823@weak.org> References: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20080612140802.GN26823@weak.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Jon McClintock wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 01:48:27AM -0700, john_re wrote: >> Hi - thanks to whomever(s) runs the buug.org site & mailing list. I >> guess you know I've been making use of the mailing list to organize the >> BITP. Whom do I thank for having the site, running the site, & running >> the weak.org host for the mailing list? > > Hi there. Weak.org is me, and I host the mailing list. > > I started BUUG with another guy many moons ago. Aaron took over hosting > the buug.org domain a while back, after I moved up to Seattle. > >> Do you have any suggestions for me for either of those options? > > I'd be glad to setup another list on weak.org for you. Otherwise, > there's plenty of free list services, even Yahoo Groups. Google apps has some cool resources as well. A google group, web page, integrated search everything, etc. http://www.google.com/a -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman | John 3:16! http://www.fsdev.net/ | http://lordsauron.wordpress.com/ From atporter at primate.net Thu Jun 12 09:44:37 2008 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron Porter) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:44:37 -0700 Subject: [buug] Hi. Thanks. How's dates get updated? In-Reply-To: <1213262067.16019.1258067381@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213143573.6712.1257804385@webmail.messagingengine.com> <000f01c8cb6c$b7adb420$cc0010ac@tony2> <359a3c580806111040h69f1a219p80b92add15094aa6@mail.gmail.com> <667aab920806120035x1d6d39dbn1ed32ff28c8805b5@mail.gmail.com> <1213262067.16019.1258067381@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20080612164437.GP30048@primate.net> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 02:14:27AM -0700, john_re wrote: > If your last edit was 4 yrs ago, how are the meeting dates added to the > buug.org page? Automatically? An embarrasingly poorly written perl script, cron and SSI in the "static" html. From atporter at primate.net Thu Jun 12 10:23:47 2008 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron Porter) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:23:47 -0700 Subject: [buug] Thanks buug.org. Who is buug.org's web&list master...? Hosting? In-Reply-To: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20080612172347.GQ30048@primate.net> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 01:48:27AM -0700, john_re wrote: > Whom do I thank for having the site, running the site, & running > the weak.org host for the mailing list? Website content is courtesy of Jon M, as far as I remember. When Jon was leaving the area I setup BUUG.org, mirrored the content from weak.org and added the "magic calendar" as the list there used to grow quite out of date (not that it mattered -- it's not too hard to figure out the 1st and 3rd Thursday on your own). Since the move, weak.org has been as stable as it was when it was local, so thoughts of migrating the mailing list were quickly abandoned and the "split personality" has been working well. > I'm organizing the BITP as an unpaid community volunteer. I'll soon be > looking to put a website & mailing list together for that entity. I'm > not a sysadmin, webmaster, net admin, list admin, no do I want to be. At least two of those jobs (webmaster & list admin) really do need to be handled by someone who is active in the group. The actual install and configuration of software and the running of the host itself is safe enough to outsource. > I guess the options are for me to: > 1) find some shared managed hosting for $, or > 2) find someone willing to assist with this. > > Do you have any suggestions for me for either of those options? You could try contacting the other local LUGs (SVLUG, BALUG, EBLUG, LUGOD, BUUG) some of which run their own servers and might be willing to help you with hosting and administration. Since you're meeting at Cal, you could find out who is responsible for callug.cs.berkeley.edu and try to revive it. Or you could use any of the hundreds of web hosting companies out there that offer < $10/mo packages (some even offer full UML/Xen/KVM installs at that price). From jammer at weak.org Thu Jun 12 11:37:05 2008 From: jammer at weak.org (Jon McClintock) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:37:05 -0700 Subject: [buug] Thanks buug.org. Who is buug.org's web&list master...? Hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080612172347.GQ30048@primate.net> References: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20080612172347.GQ30048@primate.net> Message-ID: <20080612183705.GQ26823@weak.org> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:23:47AM -0700, Aaron Porter wrote: > You could try contacting the other local LUGs (SVLUG, BALUG, > EBLUG, LUGOD, BUUG) some of which run their own servers and might be > willing to help you with hosting and administration. Since you're meeting > at Cal, you could find out who is responsible for callug.cs.berkeley.edu > and try to revive it. Or you could use any of the hundreds of web hosting > companies out there that offer < $10/mo packages (some even offer full > UML/Xen/KVM installs at that price). Say, can you recommend a good VPS provider? I'm thinking of scrapping my DSL line for cable, which means I'd have to find somewhere else to host weak.org... -Jon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From atporter at primate.net Thu Jun 12 11:56:46 2008 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron Porter) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:56:46 -0700 Subject: [buug] Thanks buug.org. Who is buug.org's web&list master...? Hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080612183705.GQ26823@weak.org> References: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20080612172347.GQ30048@primate.net> <20080612183705.GQ26823@weak.org> Message-ID: <20080612185646.GR30048@primate.net> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:37:05AM -0700, Jon McClintock wrote: > Say, can you recommend a good VPS provider? I'm thinking of scrapping my > DSL line for cable, which means I'd have to find somewhere else to host > weak.org... I use Rimu Hosting, they're not particularly cheap but I've been using them since 2003 as my secondary ns/mx host and I've been very happy. There's redwoodvirtual.com (run by BUUG member Jeremy) out of Hurricane Electric -- prices are lower than Rimu. The SVLUG guys have been flirting with Linode.com and I've not heard complaints. If you're looking for a larger system image, I'd probably suggest a dedicated server provider like iweb.com or hetzner.de -- been working with a groups hosted both places recently and service & connectivity seem pretty good, located outside the US too. From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 12:10:19 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:10:19 -0700 Subject: [buug] Thanks buug.org. Who is buug.org's web&list master...? Hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080612183705.GQ26823@weak.org> References: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20080612172347.GQ30048@primate.net> <20080612183705.GQ26823@weak.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Jon McClintock wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:23:47AM -0700, Aaron Porter wrote: >> You could try contacting the other local LUGs (SVLUG, BALUG, >> EBLUG, LUGOD, BUUG) some of which run their own servers and might be >> willing to help you with hosting and administration. Since you're meeting >> at Cal, you could find out who is responsible for callug.cs.berkeley.edu >> and try to revive it. Or you could use any of the hundreds of web hosting >> companies out there that offer < $10/mo packages (some even offer full >> UML/Xen/KVM installs at that price). > > Say, can you recommend a good VPS provider? I'm thinking of scrapping my > DSL line for cable, which means I'd have to find somewhere else to host > weak.org... I have been reasonably pleased with mine (TekTonic, http://www.tektonic.net). They're cheap, and they offer good upgrade routes for bandwidth, etc. I pay $15/month for a fairly decent setup. I would warn you, however, they do not allow the following: o BitTorrent trackers o IRC connections of any kind (not even a CIA bot! That one ticked me off....) o Illegal activity of any kind <=== shouldn't be a problem for you I don't think Alternatively, if you don't want a VPS, there's ServerPronto, which gives a cheap dedicated server without the crippling TOS: http://www.serverpronto.com/ Their cheapest is $30/month, and they don't block IRC or (legal) torrents, though they have explicitly disallowed just about every kind of illegal activity imaginable. When it comes to hosting, the golden rule is that you get EXACTLY what you pay for. Try to save a buck and the service won't be as good. A lot of services that offer cheaper bandwidth or more disk space or more RAM or /whatever/ are hosted out of datacenters that have reliability that makes me think they're in the middle of some kind of perpetual earthquake. I've had my site go down due to routers catching fire, DNS servers gone bad, overheated switches only sending out half the packets they're supposed to, and even had it down for 12 hours when they moved datacenters on me. Life has been really good at Tektonic (those horrors were all at DreamHost) but you get my point: you get /exactly/ what you pay for, no more, and a lot of the time it's less. Beware.... ! -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman | John 3:16! http://www.fsdev.net/ | http://lordsauron.wordpress.com/ From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 14:16:00 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:16:00 -0700 Subject: [buug] ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest?? DigitalMarsD 6BenefitWordsGoHere In-Reply-To: <1213170679.31533.1257850977@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> <1213169603.27431.1257847945@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1213170679.31533.1257850977@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <48519210.9070907@gmail.com> john_re wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:33:23 -0700, "john_re" > said: >> 7) Hey - I'm just making up the rules as I go. The above are guidline >> suggestions. Do whatever you feel is appropriate. If someone says "yes" >> on the list to hearing your talk, you're on. Well, it's probably an excellent thing that I checked my calendar again. I'll be out of town until the middle of July, so perhaps next time. In the spirit of the Shotgun rules, I'll delay submitting my presentation concept until /after/ this current meeting and only when we're sure we'll be doing something again (when you put out another call for presentations). I just barely graduated from high school (ceremony tomorrow!) and so I'm phasing into a new calendar system to replace my trusty school organizer. I decided to use Google calendars managed through Thunderbird, and so far it's working out nicely, just having trouble getting all the items transferred from medieval paper sources to glorified digital bliss. :-) Thanks for the support though, I look forward to doing something in the future. -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman | John 3:16! http://www.fsdev.net/ | http://lordsauron.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 258 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From john_re at fastmail.us Fri Jun 13 01:03:34 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:03:34 -0700 Subject: [buug] GlobalITP common lug booth at linuxworld In-Reply-To: <1213332241.6307.161.camel@ubuntu> References: <1213332241.6307.161.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <1213344214.30809.1258255689@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:44:01 -0700, "jim" said: > > hi, john, > BALUG has got a booth in the .org pavilion > in this year's LinuxWorld. It's sharing the > booth with other bay area LUGs and related > groups. > what's needed is help "manning" the booth, > possibly a little help with setup or teardown, > and some promotional literature pitching each > group. there's no requirement that a group > must help out in order to have their literature > on the table. > i seem to be the primary coordinator, at > least for now. let me know if you're interested > and in what way. > jim stockford I'd like to be able to share a booth to let people know about the (what will hopefully by then have progressed from Berkeley to Americas to) Global ITP (Installfest Talks Potluck) - through simultaneous events & video streaming of talks. A shared lug booth sounds great for me, I'd be glad to be there & tell people about the GITP for a few hours per day, perhaps more. & maybe some other people involved in this event might also care to help out - I can only speak for myself. What are the requirements & logistics? Is there a wiki page for the booth? Also, Jim - I invite you to join the buug.org mailing list, so you can keep up on what's going on with the America's ITP for July 5 Saturday. Would you like to come & give a short talk about anything? Perhaps about preparations for the shared lug booth at linuxworld expo? Maybe 5 to 15 minute time slot for the talk? Or, please let us know about any other talk ideas you have. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From john_re at fastmail.us Fri Jun 13 01:15:50 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:15:50 -0700 Subject: [buug] ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest?? DigitalMarsD 6BenefitWordsGoHere In-Reply-To: <48519210.9070907@gmail.com> References: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> <1213169603.27431.1257847945@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1213170679.31533.1257850977@webmail.messagingengine.com> <48519210.9070907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213344950.683.1258257563@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:16:00 -0700, "Chris Miller" said: > john_re wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:33:23 -0700, "john_re" > > said: > >> 7) Hey - I'm just making up the rules as I go. The above are guidline > >> suggestions. Do whatever you feel is appropriate. If someone says "yes" > >> on the list to hearing your talk, you're on. > > Well, it's probably an excellent thing that I checked my calendar again. > I'll be out of town until the middle of July, so perhaps next time. Thats fine. I'd be glad to have a talk from you next time. I hope you have a great time whatever it is you'll be doing. Where will you be on July 5? Perhaps if you are near an location that is hosting a simultaneous ITP you could be our personal representative. > In the spirit of the Shotgun rules, I'll delay submitting my > presentation concept until /after/ this current meeting and only when > we're sure we'll be doing something again (when you put out another call > for presentations). Sounds great. > > I just barely graduated from high school (ceremony tomorrow!) Congratulations. What are you planning to do next year? .... > Thanks for the support though, I look forward to doing something in the > future. Great. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again From john_re at fastmail.us Fri Jun 13 01:28:48 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:28:48 -0700 Subject: [buug] Email list for B & A ITP -was: Re: Thanks buug.org. Who is buug.org's web&list master...? Hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080612140802.GN26823@weak.org> References: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20080612140802.GN26823@weak.org> Message-ID: <1213345728.2977.1258257561@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:08:02 -0700, "Jon McClintock" said: > Hi there. Weak.org is me, and I host the mailing list. > > I started BUUG with another guy many moons ago. Aaron took over hosting > the buug.org domain a while back, after I moved up to Seattle. > > > Do you have any suggestions for me for either of those options? > > I'd be glad to setup another list on weak.org for you. Otherwise, > there's plenty of free list services, even Yahoo Groups. It would really be wonderful if you would set up another list on weak! It would allow me to baby step my way toward getting a full site going. (By the way, what is the meaning behind "weak"?) Would you need to charge me something, or can you do it as a volunteer effort? For July 5, my goal is to 1) Have the Berkeley ITP, and 2) Invite then assist any other LUGs etc that want to hold parallel simultaneous events in their locales on July 5 & receive a talks video streaming netcast. So, I'm thinking it would be really great if you would be able to set up one list for each of those items, ie two lists. Perhaps: BITP, and AITP or GITP (for Global, or Americas' ITP). Would that be possible? Thank you. PS - If there is a lug or uug in your area, perhaps you all would like to have a simultaneous event on July 5, and receive the netcast. Is there such a group in your area? Do you think people there would be interested? -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class From john_re at fastmail.us Fri Jun 13 02:07:36 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:07:36 -0700 Subject: [buug] Berk Call4Speakers July 5 Sat & Fwd: PyGameSF meetup Monday June 16th 7pm @ Metreon San Francisco Message-ID: <1213348056.10659.1258262539@webmail.messagingengine.com> Thought this might be of interest to you cause he mentions "anything to do with multimedia development" - ie, maybe video & video editing? Isn't there some python based video editor? Did either of yo know about this event? Ever been to one of their meetings? If yes, what it anything of interest to yous? ===== PS: Join the buug.org mailing list for the Berkeley Installfest Talks Potluck, July 5 Saturday. ===== PPS: I invite you both to come give a talk - could be an informal 5 minute mini talk, or a 15m-1hr talk. Possible talks: Daniel: kernel walkthrough, video sw development, webcam sw, video streaming. Christian: your work with the middle school, DTP, or showing off GNU/Linux to the govt officials or nonprofits. My goal is to video stream talks to other simultaneous lug meetings, so this could be an Americas wide audience, & a great way to reach out to people in other areas & share with them local gnuy/linux social development methods. If you think you might like to do a talk, email the buug list with a message with subject of "ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest??" plus the subject(s) of your talk. See this thread for details, starting aat section "4)": http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2008-June/003099.html http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2008-June/003100.html ===== Maybe I'll go to this meeting & ask them about sw for video streaming which we could use at BITP & Americas' ITP. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow ----- Original message ----- From: "Harry Tormey" To: "Baypiggies" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:31:54 +0100 Subject: [Baypiggies] PyGameSF meetup Monday June 16th 7pm @ Metreon San Francisco Hi All, just writing to say that this months PyGameSF meet up is on Monday June 16th from 7pm at the Metreon food court in San Francisco. This month's presentations are: - Tim Thompson (http://nosuch.com/tjt/index.html) "Artistic Mashups with Python and VST/Freeframe Plugins." This talk will discuss the use of Python with audio and video plugin technology in several art installations. Radio Free Quasar was an installation that used Python as a VST host, chaining VST plugins to mangle audio. Finger Painting with Planets is an installation that uses Python to simulate gravity and draw graphics from within a chain of Freeframe plugins that mangle video. - Andrew Turley "Building Digital Instruments with Pure Data". This talk will discuss how to use Pure Data to get input via your PC/Mac from strange input devices like guitar hero controllers. PyGame SF is an informal group meet up in San Francisco for Software engineers interested in python, OpenGL, audio, pygame, SDL, programming and generally anything to do with multimedia development. The format of our meetings typically involve several people giving presentations on projects they are developing followed by group discussion and feedback. If anyone else would like to give a micro presentation, show demos or just talk about what they are doing or generally give examples of any relevant software they are working on please feel free to head along. To subscribe to the pygamesf mailing list simply email pygame-sf+subscribe at unworkable.org -Harry From john_re at fastmail.us Fri Jun 13 02:18:10 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:18:10 -0700 Subject: [buug] BerkITP web page on buug.org? was:Re: Thanks buug.org.... In-Reply-To: <20080612172347.GQ30048@primate.net> References: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20080612172347.GQ30048@primate.net> Message-ID: <1213348690.12538.1258264779@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:23:47 -0700, "Aaron Porter" said: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 01:48:27AM -0700, john_re wrote: > > > Whom do I thank for having the site, running the site, & running > > the weak.org host for the mailing list? > > Website content is courtesy of Jon M, as far as I remember. When > Jon was leaving the area I setup BUUG.org, mirrored the content from > weak.org > > I'm organizing the BITP as an unpaid community volunteer. I'll soon be > > looking to put a website & mailing list together for that entity. I'm > > not a sysadmin, webmaster, net admin, list admin, no do I want to be. > > At least two of those jobs (webmaster & list admin) really do need > to be handled by someone who is active in the group. Thanks for the terminology definition. I imagine I would maintain web pages about BITP & A/GITP (Americas' or Global) > The actual install > and configuration of software and the running of the host itself is safe > enough to outsource. > > > I guess the options are for me to: > > 1) find some shared managed hosting for $, or > > 2) find someone willing to assist with this. > > > > Do you have any suggestions for me for either of those options? > > You could try contacting the other local LUGs (SVLUG, BALUG, > EBLUG, LUGOD, BUUG) some of which run their own servers and might be > willing to help you with hosting and administration. Since you're meeting > at Cal, you could find out who is responsible for callug.cs.berkeley.edu > and try to revive it. Or you could use any of the hundreds of web hosting > companies out there that offer < $10/mo packages (some even offer full > UML/Xen/KVM installs at that price). Jon McC mentioned that he could add a list for the BITP. Would you be willing to add two pages, which I'd write & maintain, one for BITP, & one for A/GITP? & also put a short description of each & a link on the main buug.org page? That would be a big help to me & the B & A/G itp's over the next month or two, so I could baby step my way to getting this event it's own site. Thanks in advance, if you can help me do that. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From john_re at fastmail.us Fri Jun 13 02:28:37 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:28:37 -0700 Subject: [buug] ProgLangTalkPosbility?? Installfest4Schools & other talk ideas Message-ID: <1213349317.14496.1258264801@webmail.messagingengine.com> Andrew - would you be interested in giving any talks at the Berkeley/Americas ITP on July 5? Some possibilities I can think of, & you could suggesto your own topics too. Talks can be from 5m 15m to 1hr. 1) How about 5 or 15 minute talk, perhaps a duet with Jim Burgett, about the Installfest for Schools going on at Linux World - kinda a heads up on planning issues 1 month in advance, for people who might be interested in helping. 2) I'm looking in a month or so to put together a web site for the ITP. Would Untangle's free sw be of any use for that? Maybe not - maybe I just need a web site, mailing list, wiki & irc channel, & Untangle mostly does gateway for organization with IT infrastructure (ie users with computers). If it could be of use for me (& others creating web presences) want to give a talk about that? 5m - 1hr, your choice? My goal is to video stream talks to other simultaneous lug meetings, so this could be an Americas wide audience, & a great way to reach out to people in other areas & share with them local gnuy/linux social development methods, & installfest for schoold. If you think you might like to do a talk, email the buug list with a message with subject of "ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest??" plus the subject(s) of your talk. See this thread for details, starting aat section "4)": http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2008-June/003099.html http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2008-June/003100.html ----- PS I emailed Tom B & asked what he could talk about on Backups, havent heard from in 1 day - Do you know if he's interested n talking on July 5 Sat? -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class From afife at untangle.com Fri Jun 13 10:22:38 2008 From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [buug] ProgLangTalkPosbility?? Installfest4Schools & other talk ideas In-Reply-To: <1213349317.14496.1258264801@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213349317.14496.1258264801@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <004c01c8cd7a$115ad9d0$3568030a@afmeatloaf> John Reagan wrote: >Andrew - would you be interested in giving any talks >at the Berkeley/Americas ITP on July 5? What is ITP? >2) I'm looking in a month or so to put together a >web site for the ITP. Would Untangle's free sw be of >any use for that? Untangle would be a good choice if the network is going to have users who you might want to protect from spam, spyware, viruses and "innapropriate" websites. Since I don't think that is the case, the other reason to consider using Untangle would be our new (version 5.1 & later) GUI for configuring iptables. If you're not a GUI guy and don't have users to protect, you might consider ipcop, m0n0wall or pfsense. -- Andrew Fife Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway www.untangle.com/download 650.425.3327 desk 415.806.6028 cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 11:52:11 2008 From: lordsauronthegreat at gmail.com (Chris Miller) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:52:11 -0700 Subject: [buug] ProgLangTalkPosbility Interest?? DigitalMarsD 6BenefitWordsGoHere In-Reply-To: <1213344950.683.1258257563@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> <1213169603.27431.1257847945@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1213170679.31533.1257850977@webmail.messagingengine.com> <48519210.9070907@gmail.com> <1213344950.683.1258257563@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <4852C1DB.4020608@gmail.com> john_re wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:16:00 -0700, "Chris Miller" > said: > Where will you be on July 5? Perhaps if you are near an location that > is hosting a simultaneous ITP you could be our personal representative. I'll be on vacation in England celebrating the end of high school and the beginning of a whole new can of worms. Not in a position to do much, as I'll be ecstatically visiting all the dead white people I've read about for the past 18 years. > Sounds great. >> I just barely graduated from high school (ceremony tomorrow!) > > Congratulations. What are you planning to do next year? Ohlone College, even though Las Positas is closer, Ohlone has more CS classes (tons, compared to one at Las Po). -- Registered Linux Addict #431495 http://profile.xfire.com/mrstalinman | John 3:16! http://www.fsdev.net/ | http://lordsauron.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 258 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From atporter at primate.net Fri Jun 13 14:35:42 2008 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron Porter) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:35:42 -0700 Subject: [buug] BerkITP web page on buug.org? was:Re: Thanks buug.org.... In-Reply-To: <1213348690.12538.1258264779@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20080612172347.GQ30048@primate.net> <1213348690.12538.1258264779@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20080613213542.GT30048@primate.net> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 02:18:10AM -0700, john_re wrote: > Would you be willing to add two pages, which I'd write & maintain, one > for BITP, & one for A/GITP? & also put a short description of each & a > link on the main buug.org page? After reviewing some of the previous John Regan initiatives, I'd really rather not get involved. If there is a strong desire from any of the BUUG regulars I will certainly comply and/or provide access for one of them to do so. But it seems like linking BUUG and these "ITP" efforts any more than they already have been by your list squatting will do nothing at all to benefit BUUG and the regular meeting attendees. From john_re at fastmail.us Sat Jun 14 21:31:55 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:31:55 -0700 Subject: [buug] Untangle free sw features was: RE: ProgLangTalkPosbility??... In-Reply-To: <004c01c8cd7a$115ad9d0$3568030a@afmeatloaf> References: <1213349317.14496.1258264801@webmail.messagingengine.com> <004c01c8cd7a$115ad9d0$3568030a@afmeatloaf> Message-ID: <1213504315.22854.1258507865@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:22:38 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew Fife" said: > John Reagan wrote: > > >Andrew - would you be interested in giving any talks > >at the Berkeley/Americas ITP on July 5? > > What is ITP? Installfest Talks Potluck, soon to be TIPPP: Talks Installfest Potluck ProgrammingParty > > >2) I'm looking in a month or so to put together a > >web site for the ITP. Would Untangle's free sw be of > >any use for that? > > Untangle would be a good choice if the network is going to have users who > you might want to protect from spam, spyware, viruses and "innapropriate" > websites. Since I don't think that is the case, For use two places - at my home small network, and for the website I will set up for this event. For both, only BSD/GNULinux used. For home, spam discarding is important. For the website, which might be at my home, or perhaps a colo, or perhaps on a shared server, spam & cracking blocking are probably my main interests. the other reason to > consider using Untangle would be our new (version 5.1 & later) GUI for > configuring iptables. I much prefer a GUI for alot of things (& probably iptables, which I'm suspecting I'd use), things I merely want to _use_, not be an expert configurer on. GUIs presents all the major choices, so I don't have to be looking up commands & systax, etc. If you're not a GUI guy and don't have users to > protect, you might consider ipcop, m0n0wall or pfsense. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are From john_re at fastmail.us Sat Jun 14 22:42:45 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:42:45 -0700 Subject: [buug] Lugradio.org, Newgrange was: Re: ProgLangTalkPosbility ... In-Reply-To: <4852C1DB.4020608@gmail.com> References: <1213160261.30065.1257835717@webmail.messagingengine.com> <484F667A.6080506@gmail.com> <1213169603.27431.1257847945@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1213170679.31533.1257850977@webmail.messagingengine.com> <48519210.9070907@gmail.com> <1213344950.683.1258257563@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4852C1DB.4020608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213508565.686.1258507853@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:52:11 -0700, "Chris Miller" said: > john_re wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:16:00 -0700, "Chris Miller" > > said: > > Where will you be on July 5? Perhaps if you are near an location that > > is hosting a simultaneous ITP you could be our personal representative. > > I'll be on vacation in England celebrating the end of high school and > the beginning of a whole new can of worms. Not in a position to do > much, as I'll be ecstatically visiting all the dead white people I've > read about for the past 18 years. Two suggestions if you can make them: 1) Lugradio.org - somewhat similar to BITP. they came to San Francisco in about March. http://www.lugradio.org/live/ Go to LugRadio Live UK 2008, happening July 19-20th in Wolverhampton, UK http://lugradio.org/live/UK2008/ http://lugradio.org/performance/ Will you be there then? (every 2 weeks) Think you can make it? 2) Newgrange, Ireland - the oldest still standing building in the world. http://www.knowth.com/newgrange.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange http://toolserver.org/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?pagename=Newgrange¶ms=53_41_39.73_N_6_28_30.11_W_ http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=53.694369,-6.475031&spn=0.3,0.3&t=k&q=53.694369,-6.475031 http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/448002 http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=53.694369,-6.475031&ie=UTF8&ll=53.694362,-6.474268&spn=0.026731,0.067463&z=14 -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service From itz at buug.org Sun Jun 15 22:06:06 2008 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:06:06 -0700 Subject: [buug] BerkITP web page on buug.org? was:Re: Thanks buug.org.... In-Reply-To: <20080613213542.GT30048@primate.net> (Aaron Porter's message of "Fri\, 13 Jun 2008 14\:35\:42 -0700") References: <1213260507.10948.1258063387@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20080612172347.GQ30048@primate.net> <1213348690.12538.1258264779@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20080613213542.GT30048@primate.net> Message-ID: <87y756ynnl.fsf@matica.localdomain> Aaron> After reviewing some of the previous John Regan initiatives, I'd Aaron> really rather not get involved. If there is a strong desire from Aaron> any of the BUUG regulars I will certainly comply and/or provide Aaron> access for one of them to do so. But it seems like linking BUUG Aaron> and these "ITP" efforts any more than they already have been by Aaron> your list squatting will do nothing at all to benefit BUUG and Aaron> the regular meeting attendees. Indeed. Tempararily unsubscribing, although sure that this, too, will pass, just like similar periods in BUUG past did. -- His stride expressed the man's pride and self-confidence and his eyes revealed his honest simplicity. His appearance indicated that his belly was of far greater importance than his head. Naguib Mahfouz, _Midaq Alley_ From john_re at fastmail.us Sun Jun 22 16:31:27 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:31:27 -0700 Subject: [buug] CARPOOL Monday23June futuresalon.org CrowdOpenSourcedMobileDevices Message-ID: <1214177487.19228.1259795117@webmail.messagingengine.com> Ride offered from Berkeley if you will split gas/bridgetoll. Email me your phone#. futuresalon requests you RSVP at the link below too. Please email me if you decide to go to this (even if you don't carpool), so I'll get an idea as to if this event is of interest to BUUGers. Thaks. ===== http://www.futuresalon.org/2008/06/mobile-devices.html Crowd and Open Sourced Mobile Devices Future Salon O.K. everyone let's all stop the drooling over the iPhone. There are in my opinion more interesting developments happening in the mobile handheld space. Two of them we will look at on Monday the 23rd of June at our usual hang out SAP Labs. First there is Ismael Ghalimi who gave away at his Office 2.0 conference one year an iPod Nano, last year an iPhone and had the crazy idea, that the participants of the conference could develop with him the device for this year's Office 2.0. He calls it the Redux Model 1. In his own words: The more interesting option would be to build our own device. By that I mean designing, certifying, and manufacturing our very own piece of hardware, all in the one year that separates us for the next Office 2.0 Conference. Today?s engineering processes make such a challenge technically feasible, but for someone who has never done it before, and has no engineering budget for it, this is virtually impossible, so by all means, please assume that we will fail and have to revert to option 1. But if you dare to dream with us for a moment, feel free to read what follows.[more] Last time I talked with him he was looking for a CEO for the venture, but not certain whether it will be available for Office 2.0. Still the approach of getting input from his network and publically develop a new device is such a novel approach, that I invited him to speak about his experiences. Buglabs_bug_2Another interesting development I found at Buglabs. Doc Searls is convinced, that the IT industry is going to develop similar to the construction industry. Check out this article: This change in perception is tied to the relative (im)maturity of the computer indus- try; when it finishes growing up, it will look much like the construction industry. Now the folks at Buglabs have created a mobile base station that they call the bug and they have many modules that you can connect to it like Lego blocks. The cool thing is, that software as well as hardware is Open Source, that means there is only a limit in imagination and funds to possible extensions of the bug. Jeremy Toeman from Buglabs will present their approach and current status. He also promised to bring some bugs and extensions. It is going to be very interesting. Jeremy Toeman (JT) is an expert in digital media and consumer technology. Over the past ten years he has designed, built, and marketed numerous award-winning products in the ?convergence? space. Jeremy is currently the VP of Marketing for Bug Labs, and is also a consultant advising companies on both product design and deployment as well as non-traditional marketing (such as community-driven) strategies. Ismael Ghalimi [LinkedIn], a passionate entrepreneur and fervent industry observer, founder and CEO of Intalio, creator of BPMI.org, initiator of the BPM 2.0 movement, producer of the Office 2.0 Conference, organizer of the Extreme Productivity Seminars, and designer of the Redux Model 1. Ismael is an advisor to several high-tech companies, including 3TERA, AdventNet (a.k.a. Zoho), Buzzgain, Diigo, EchoSign, EveryTrail, G.ho.st, Move & Play, and ThinkFree. Ismael is a professional scuba diver, instrument rated private pilot, and American V-Twin rider. Ismael lives with his wife and daughter in Palo Alto, CA, and can be reached at ismael at itredux.com. Future Salons have the following structure: 6-7pm is networking with light refreshments proudly sponsored by SAP; 7-9+pm is the presentation followed by questions and discussion. SAP Labs North America, Building D, Room Southern Cross or Cafeteria depending on number of RSVPs. SAP is located at 3410 Hillview Avenue, Palo Alto, CA 94304[map]. Free and open to the public. Please spread the word and invite others, but be sure to RSVP so we know how many people to expect. From john_re at fastmail.us Tue Jun 24 02:17:39 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:17:39 -0700 Subject: [buug] Carpool from Berkeley TuesJune24 to BALUG Message-ID: <1214299059.14885.1260065581@webmail.messagingengine.com> Ride offered from Berkeley if you will split gas/bridgetoll. Email me your phone #. Or, I'll split gas/bridgetoll if you want to drive. From john_re at fastmail.us Wed Jun 25 23:36:15 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:36:15 -0700 Subject: [buug] Carpool from Berkeley ThursJune26 to PenLUG Message-ID: <1214462175.25657.1260455165@webmail.messagingengine.com> Ride offered from Berkeley if you will split gas/bridgetoll. Email me your phone # & what city you want a ride from. (Through either SF or could be Hayward - you let me know.) Or, I'll split gas/bridgetoll if you want to drive. === PENINSULA LINUX USERS' GROUP (PenLUG) PRESENTS: +---------------------------------------------------------------+ |Date: |Thursday, June 26th, 2008 | |---------+-----------------------------------------------------| |Time: |meeting 7:00 - 9:00 PM, social/networking until 10 PM| |---------+-----------------------------------------------------| | |Bayshore Technology Park | |Location:|1300 Island Drive | | |Redwood City, CA 94065 | | |Suite 106 - Training Room | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ David Weekly, Tinkering Before Millions How to take a hobby hack and turn it into a service used by millions (and hopefully that MAKES millions). David Weekly is the founder and CPO of PBwiki. PBwiki is the world's largest business wiki host and is home to over 500,000 communities, including groups at over at third of the Fortune 500. He graduated as a President Scholar from Stanford in 2000 with a BS in Computer Science and has worked for such institutions as Harvard Physics, MIT Lincoln Labs, Stanford Graphics, atWeb, Legato, and There.com. David wrote the first layman's level description of MP3 in early 1997, reverse engineered the Napster protocol in an evening, and was a finalist in the ACM International Programming Competition. David lives in a Cupertino mansion with seven others (he's the sommelier) and throws periodic all-night hackathons called SuperHappyDevHouse there. David is an adviser to several Bay Area startups, including Jaxtr, KiteDance, MusicManagement, and IncentAlign. He last spoke at PenLUG in November 2006. From john_re at fastmail.us Sat Jun 28 23:17:34 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:17:34 -0700 Subject: [buug] Berk TIPP Success, July5 Sat next meeting, new mailing list, coming Message-ID: <1214720254.21279.1260915011@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi - just a short note: 1) the June7 1st Berkeley Talks Installfest Potluck meeting was a great success & 14 people came, half from only one day's advance notice, 2) July 5 Saturday, one week from today is the next meeting. The goal will be to have both a Berkeley meeting, & set up some simultaneous meetings throughtou the Americas & stream or download talk videos, & have IRC & VOIP for people to communicate. Mark your calendars. Hopefully 10a-6p, hopefully on UCB campus. This meeting will add video talks & a programming party. 3) I'm preparing to set up two maling lists for this event in the next day or so, - one for the Berkeley meeting, one for the organizers of the simultaneous Americas meetins. 4) I'll be sending out announcements about all this to LUGs etc in the next day or two. 5) I'm doing this on a volunteer for the community, part time basis while I've got lots of other responsibilities. It is a best efforts, stone soup, you make your own luck, self reliant, nothing guaranteed, let's all learn something, be productive, & have some fun effort on my & everyone's part. c ya. From john_re at fastmail.us Sat Jun 28 23:25:29 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:25:29 -0700 Subject: [buug] Fwd: [Baypiggies] Python video suggestion for July 5 Berkeley & Americas' TIPP meeting? Message-ID: <1214720729.22379.1260915733@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi Pythonistas- What beginning (or maybe intermediate??) python video(s) are available for watching over the internet, & which might be best?? For use on July 5 Saturday. ----- Backstory: Saturday June 7 was the successful first meeting of a series of monthly meetings I'm working to organize. With basically one day's advance notice, 14 people came for the meeting, including a BayPiggies member from SanFran who saw the announcement I made about that meeting here on the BayPiggies mailin list. As I announced at the BayPiggies meeting two weeks ago, Sat July 5 (one week from today, probably 10a-6p, hopefully on the UCB campus, free, come for as much or little as you wish) is the next meeting I'm working on. (Note: I'm doing this as a part time volunteer effort for the community when I've got lots of other responsibilities for my time.) I'm currently calling this the GNU(Linux)/BSD Talks Installfest Potluck & ProgrammingParty - TIPP. Fot this upcoming meeting I'll be inviting LUGs & other groups around the Americas to hold simultaneous events, and receive streaming (&/or downloaded) videos to watch simultaneous with us in Berkeley. Then, everone has viewed the same content & we can all sit around on IRC or VOIP & talk & have real "beverages of your choice" & have a great ol' time. Now, for this meeting, since this is the first Americas' wide meeting, & this is all being organized by me on a "best efforts, nothing guaranteed, stone soup, self reliant, you make your own luck" kind of basis, with very short notice, the stated goal is really merely to hold simultaneous events. As far as my personal goals go, if one other person somewher in the world gets on IRC with us at Berkeley, the meeting is a success. But, my plan is to aim high. Hence the attempt to actually get video content out for people to watch. Now, I've got about 6 videos I recorded, 5 this past year, that people might be interested in: 1 RMS on GNU, 2 RMS on Copyright, 3 VOIP, 4 EFF, 5 DotOrgs 60 second videos, 6 Bjorne Stroustrup C++ from about 5 years ago. This event, will have 5 parallel events: Talks, Installfest, Potluck, ProgrammingParty, & sitting around chatting (could be considered part of the potluck). [Potluck will also have the alternative of "bring $5 & we'll order some pizzas", for attendees who don't want to cook or bring some food.] So, for the talks, since this is the first meeting, rather than try to get speakers arranged for this meeting, Ithought it would be easier to just video stream (or down/up load) previously recorded talk videos for the other sites. Now, I envision this series of monthly events as having topic time slots for talks/videos, based on topics like: GNU(Linux)/BSD Distrubutions, Programming Languages, System Administration, WebDevelopment, ApplicationSw, etc. So, for this month, for the programming language topic, I originally thought I'd use my Bjorne Stroustrup C++ talk recorded about 5 years ago at the C/C++ group in SanJose. Then I got thinking - well, I'm personally more interested in Python, there's lots of comments about having python meetings outside of MtView, Python is probably more of a hot topic than c++, the Bjorne video is 5 years old, - so, why don't I try to find a recent Python talk that has a video? So, I got thinking: "I think some of the BayPiggies talks were video recorded - perhaps we all in the Americas could use the "Programming Languages" time slot to watch one of those python videos. Or, some other python talk available for download or streaming from some other entity. End of backstory. ----- So - anyone know any Python video we all could watch? I'm thinking for this "getting the Americas meetings set up first meeting" the simplest, most basic & introductory talk would be best. And, if it was already on some video streaming or downloading site, so I don't have to do any work to make it available to the simultaneous meeting groups, so much the better. Suggestions? ---- PS: I'll be sending out announcements/invitations for this event to group mailing lists in a day or so. I'd like to get info about a Python video to use, so I can include that info in the announcement. From bill.honeycutt at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 12:35:45 2008 From: bill.honeycutt at gmail.com (Wm. F. Honeycutt) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:35:45 -0700 Subject: [buug] Fwd: [Baypiggies] Python video suggestion for July 5 Berkeley & Americas' TIPP meeting? In-Reply-To: <1214720729.22379.1260915733@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1214720729.22379.1260915733@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <87acd5770806291235r396fc8a4y4de891056ac1fd2a@mail.gmail.com> > Suggestions? Yes, do something about setting up your own list server. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: