From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Mon Jul 18 15:59:43 2011 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:59:43 -0700 Subject: [buug] BALUG TOMRROW! Tu 2011-07-19 BALUG meeting Message-ID: <20110718155943.15901gl4lxnfjhno@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG TOMRROW! Tu 2011-07-19 BALUG meeting Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-07-19 Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below). For our 2011-07-19 BALUG meeting, at least presently we don't have a specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings. Sometimes we also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to announce or fully publicise the speaker (that's happened at least twice in the past five or so years). Got questions, answers, and/or opinions? We typically have some expert(s) and/or relative expert(s) present to cover LINUX and related topic areas. Want to hear some interesting discussions on LINUX and other topics? Show up at the meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if you wish. Want to help ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations lined up for future meetings? Help refer speakers to us and/or volunteer to be one of the speaker coordinators. Good food, good people, and interesting conversations to be had. So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and meeting, and with sufficient attendance, they also help ensure that we'll be able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm Tuesday, July 19th, 2011 2011-07-19 Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/ 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny: http://www.sfpsg.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13 cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner). ------------------------------ CDs, etc.: Additional goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following): CDs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have "door prizes". ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ http://www.balug.org/ From khogoboom at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 07:46:10 2011 From: khogoboom at gmail.com (Karen Hogoboom) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 07:46:10 -0700 Subject: [buug] Y2K and Related Papers? Message-ID: Hi People, I would like to find the best possible source to read about Y2K and related problems. I am looking for a source that's clear and concise. Can any of you direct my attention toward the best thinking on this topic? Thank you. Karen P.S. I may be near 555 Montgomery Street in S.F. later today in case you would like to meet me there to discuss the issue. KLH -- Karen Lee Hogoboom Computer Programmer Phone:? (510)?666-8298 Mobile:? (510) 407-4363 khogoboom at gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/karenlhogoboom From atporter at primate.net Thu Jul 28 08:27:12 2011 From: atporter at primate.net (Aaron Porter) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:27:12 -0700 Subject: [buug] Y2K and Related Papers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110728152712.GZ29324@primate.net> All boiled down to using too few significant digits, ostensibly to "save space" on old systems. The Wikipedia article looks sane. What kind of "best thinking" are you looking for? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y2K_Bug On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 07:46:10AM -0700, Karen Hogoboom wrote: > > I would like to find the best possible source to read about Y2K and > related problems. I am looking for a source that's clear and concise. > Can any of you direct my attention toward the best thinking on this > topic? Thank you. From khogoboom at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 17:18:03 2011 From: khogoboom at gmail.com (Karen Hogoboom) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:18:03 -0700 Subject: [buug] Y2K and Related Papers? In-Reply-To: <20110728152712.GZ29324@primate.net> References: <20110728152712.GZ29324@primate.net> Message-ID: Hi Aaron, Thanks for responding. I will read the Wiki article all the way through. That was my first thought, but I was hoping for a technical paper that would describe recommendations for the future. It started because I was trying to find a future-thinking company to work for as a computer programmer and failed. I've ended up at the hypothesis that Y2K caused a lot more problems than have been reported to the American public. The Wiki article seems pretty silent on most country's responses, which either means most countries had no problems at all, or they decided to keep their dirty little secrets dirty. In particular, I wonder about people promoting clean energy here who have dirty secrets in their own homelands. I know that there are countries that spy way too much on regular citizens of the United States as well as our government employees, and give much less information back in return. I'm interested in the risk of exposure to other country's dirty little code playing out in our country because a lot of United States programming jobs have been outsourced to some pretty dirty players. Karen On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Aaron Porter wrote: > > ? ? ? ?All boiled down to using too few significant digits, ostensibly to > "save space" on old systems. The Wikipedia article looks sane. What kind > of "best thinking" are you looking for? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y2K_Bug > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 07:46:10AM -0700, Karen Hogoboom wrote: >> >> I would like to find the best possible source to read about Y2K and >> related problems. ?I am looking for a source that's clear and concise. >> ?Can any of you direct my attention toward the best thinking on this >> topic? ?Thank you. > -- Karen Lee Hogoboom Computer Programmer Phone:? (510)?666-8298 Mobile:? (510) 407-4363 khogoboom at gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/karenlhogoboom From togo at of.net Thu Jul 28 17:34:59 2011 From: togo at of.net (Tony Godshall) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:34:59 -0700 Subject: [buug] Y2K and Related Papers? In-Reply-To: References: <20110728152712.GZ29324@primate.net> Message-ID: For scholarly work, try searching at Google Scholar or you local university engineering library. Perhaps there's a university near you with a strong reputation in Computer Science? On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Karen Hogoboom wrote: > Hi Aaron, > > Thanks for responding. ?I will read the Wiki article all the way > through. ?That was my first thought, but I was hoping for a technical > paper that would describe recommendations for the future. ?It started > because I was trying to find a future-thinking company to work for as > a computer programmer and failed. ?I've ended up at the hypothesis > that Y2K caused a lot more problems than have been reported to the > American public. > > The Wiki article seems pretty silent on most country's responses, > which either means most countries had no problems at all, or they > decided to keep their dirty little secrets dirty. > > In particular, I wonder about people promoting clean energy here who > have dirty secrets in their own homelands. > > I know that there are countries that spy way too much on regular > citizens of the United States as well as our government employees, and > give much less information back in return. > > I'm interested in the risk of exposure to other country's dirty little > code playing out in our country because a lot of United States > programming jobs have been outsourced to some pretty dirty players. > > Karen > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Aaron Porter wrote: >> >> ? ? ? ?All boiled down to using too few significant digits, ostensibly to >> "save space" on old systems. The Wikipedia article looks sane. What kind >> of "best thinking" are you looking for? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y2K_Bug >> >> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 07:46:10AM -0700, Karen Hogoboom wrote: >>> >>> I would like to find the best possible source to read about Y2K and >>> related problems. ?I am looking for a source that's clear and concise. >>> ?Can any of you direct my attention toward the best thinking on this >>> topic? ?Thank you. >> > > > > -- > Karen Lee Hogoboom > Computer Programmer > Phone:? (510)?666-8298 > Mobile:? (510) 407-4363 > > khogoboom at gmail.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/karenlhogoboom > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > -- Best Regards. This is unedited. P-) From khogoboom at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 05:34:11 2011 From: khogoboom at gmail.com (Karen Hogoboom) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:34:11 -0700 Subject: [buug] Y2K and Related Papers? In-Reply-To: References: <20110728152712.GZ29324@primate.net> Message-ID: Thanks Tony. I'll try that. Our Computer Science department has been dominated by Communism and Russian Socialism since Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941. They wouldn't teach us what we need to know after they attacked us, especially after re-attacking us on 9/11 instead of checking their own nuclear reactors and weapons for Y2K problems. Karen On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Tony Godshall wrote: > For scholarly work, try searching at Google Scholar > or you local university engineering library. ?Perhaps > there's a university near you with a strong reputation > in Computer Science? > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Karen Hogoboom wrote: >> Hi Aaron, >> >> Thanks for responding. ?I will read the Wiki article all the way >> through. ?That was my first thought, but I was hoping for a technical >> paper that would describe recommendations for the future. ?It started >> because I was trying to find a future-thinking company to work for as >> a computer programmer and failed. ?I've ended up at the hypothesis >> that Y2K caused a lot more problems than have been reported to the >> American public. >> >> The Wiki article seems pretty silent on most country's responses, >> which either means most countries had no problems at all, or they >> decided to keep their dirty little secrets dirty. >> >> In particular, I wonder about people promoting clean energy here who >> have dirty secrets in their own homelands. >> >> I know that there are countries that spy way too much on regular >> citizens of the United States as well as our government employees, and >> give much less information back in return. >> >> I'm interested in the risk of exposure to other country's dirty little >> code playing out in our country because a lot of United States >> programming jobs have been outsourced to some pretty dirty players. >> >> Karen >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Aaron Porter wrote: >>> >>> ? ? ? ?All boiled down to using too few significant digits, ostensibly to >>> "save space" on old systems. The Wikipedia article looks sane. What kind >>> of "best thinking" are you looking for? >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y2K_Bug >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 07:46:10AM -0700, Karen Hogoboom wrote: >>>> >>>> I would like to find the best possible source to read about Y2K and >>>> related problems. ?I am looking for a source that's clear and concise. >>>> ?Can any of you direct my attention toward the best thinking on this >>>> topic? ?Thank you. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Karen Lee Hogoboom >> Computer Programmer >> Phone:? (510)?666-8298 >> Mobile:? (510) 407-4363 >> >> khogoboom at gmail.com >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karenlhogoboom >> _______________________________________________ >> Buug mailing list >> Buug at weak.org >> http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug >> > > > > -- > Best Regards. > This is unedited. > P-) > -- Karen Lee Hogoboom Computer Programmer Phone:? (510)?666-8298 Mobile:? (510) 407-4363 khogoboom at gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/karenlhogoboom From togo at of.net Fri Jul 29 08:19:15 2011 From: togo at of.net (Tony Godshall) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 08:19:15 -0700 Subject: [buug] Y2K and Related Papers? In-Reply-To: References: <20110728152712.GZ29324@primate.net> Message-ID: > Our Computer Science department has been dominated by Communism and > Russian Socialism since Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941. ?They > wouldn't teach us what we need to know after they attacked us, > especially after re-attacking us on 9/11 instead of checking their own > nuclear reactors and weapons for Y2K problems. Wow From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jul 29 11:34:45 2011 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:34:45 -0700 Subject: [buug] Y2K and Related Papers? In-Reply-To: References: <20110728152712.GZ29324@primate.net> Message-ID: <20110729183445.GR27273@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Karen Hogoboom (khogoboom at gmail.com): > Our Computer Science department has been dominated by Communism and > Russian Socialism since Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941. They > wouldn't teach us what we need to know after they attacked us, > especially after re-attacking us on 9/11 instead of checking their own > nuclear reactors and weapons for Y2K problems. And protecting our precious bodily fluids! From khogoboom at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 16:41:22 2011 From: khogoboom at gmail.com (Karen Hogoboom) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:41:22 -0700 Subject: [buug] Y2K and Related Papers? In-Reply-To: <20110729183445.GR27273@linuxmafia.com> References: <20110728152712.GZ29324@primate.net> <20110729183445.GR27273@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: Nice Rick, but I don't quite follow you on that one. If the university has been protecting my bodily fluids, then thank you. I actually abused a lot of caffeine and sugar while attending school at UCB, which didn't protect my bodily fluids exactly. I can trace the sugar abuse back through my mother's mother's family, which might be related to escaping Europe during the holocaust, but I don't actually know that. The caffeine abuse, I picked up in high school in Berkeley after that behavior was modelled for me by my teachers and my mother. I'm not going to blame the caffeine abuse on the damn commies. K On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Karen Hogoboom (khogoboom at gmail.com): > >> Our Computer Science department has been dominated by Communism and >> Russian Socialism since Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941. ?They >> wouldn't teach us what we need to know after they attacked us, >> especially after re-attacking us on 9/11 instead of checking their own >> nuclear reactors and weapons for Y2K problems. > > And protecting our precious bodily fluids! > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > -- Karen Lee Hogoboom Computer Programmer Phone:? (510)?666-8298 Mobile:? (510) 407-4363 khogoboom at gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/karenlhogoboom From bill.honeycutt at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 19:11:31 2011 From: bill.honeycutt at gmail.com (Wm. F. Honeycutt) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:11:31 -0700 Subject: [buug] Buug Digest, Vol 23, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Group Captain Mandrake, for that clarification ;-) > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:34:45 -0700 > From: Rick Moen > Subject: Re: [buug] Y2K and Related Papers? > To: buug at weak.org > Message-ID: <20110729183445.GR27273 at linuxmafia.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Quoting Karen Hogoboom (khogoboom at gmail.com): > > > Our Computer Science department has been dominated by Communism and > > Russian Socialism since Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941. They > > wouldn't teach us what we need to know after they attacked us, > > especially after re-attacking us on 9/11 instead of checking their own > > nuclear reactors and weapons for Y2K problems. > > And protecting our precious bodily fluids! > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Buug mailing list > Buug at weak.org > http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug > > > End of Buug Digest, Vol 23, Issue 3 > *********************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: