From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Thu Jun  2 13:09:59 2011
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:09:59 -0700
Subject: [buug] atx? (power supply)
In-Reply-To: <4DE5796E.40809@clfest.org>
References: <4DE5796E.40809@clfest.org>
Message-ID: <20110602130959.102314fst0buhhr4@webmail.rawbw.com>

I should be able to bring such a power supply to tonight's BUUG meeting
that you can borrow for a while.

references/excerpts:
> From: "Henricus J. Holtman" <clfest at clfest.org>
> Subject: [buug] atx?
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 16:27:42 -0700

> Anybody got a spare atx power supply that they can spare for
> a few days?  I'm trying to isolate a problem with my computer.
> I think it doesn't have to be out of the case.  My (possibly bad)
> one is rated 250W.  I go to buug meetings regularly.



From itz at buug.org  Wed Jun  8 17:26:21 2011
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:26:21 -0700
Subject: [buug] Java in hardware
Message-ID: <20110608172621.1130c08d@foolinux.dyndns.org>

I mused in one of the last meetings why this hasn't been done yet.
I turns out it has, or at least it's coming.

http://www.jopdesign.com/

-- 
Ian Zimmerman
gpg public key: 1024D/C6FF61AD 
fingerprint: 66DC D68F 5C1B 4D71 2EE5  BD03 8A00 786C C6FF 61AD
Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court.


From khogoboom at gmail.com  Thu Jun  9 16:24:25 2011
From: khogoboom at gmail.com (Karen Hogoboom)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 16:24:25 -0700
Subject: [buug] Berkeley Unix User's Group
In-Reply-To: <20110531205115.GN18884@linuxmafia.com>
References: <BANLkTinC8GgaZcYq8CUagjjjQFcr4qpDjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110527022156.GA9466@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTiky7qxMJawL9O66TtATMOAxDsf=YA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110528223647.GH18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.64.1105281907090.4307@dns.mauthesis.com>
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	<BANLkTi=-6gQWrM8yBPpaJco6WVX==QwGtw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> Quoting Karen Hogoboom (khogoboom at gmail.com):
>
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> > You quoted something that I didn't see posted on the buug list.
>
> The posting to which I repied was on-list.  I did not retain a copy.
>
>
I am on the buug mailing list and I did not get an original copy of the
email.  jaimef responded to me personally that buug is a moderated list and
that his posting did not get in.  Are you sure it was buug that he posted to
originally?


> > I will now assume that cross-posting is o.k.
>
> Your statement appears to be non-sequitur
>

My guess was that you know him from another list or another context that I
am not included in, and that you quoted him into our discussion.


> --
> Cheers,        "You're not cleared for that information, Friend Citizen.
> Rick Moen      (Remember:  Rumors are treason, and make the Computer
> UnHappy.")
> rick at linuxmafia.com                                       -- Paranoia
> McQ!  (4x80)
> _______________________________________________
> Buug mailing list
> Buug at weak.org
> http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug
>



-- 
Karen Lee Hogoboom
Computer Programmer
Phone:  (510) 666-8298
Mobile:  (510) 407-4363

khogoboom at gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/karenlhogoboom
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From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Jun  9 16:55:40 2011
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 16:55:40 -0700
Subject: [buug] Berkeley Unix User's Group
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimQcumQ=_hCMLJHcOdOikV12WbVAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinC8GgaZcYq8CUagjjjQFcr4qpDjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110527022156.GA9466@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTiky7qxMJawL9O66TtATMOAxDsf=YA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110528223647.GH18884@linuxmafia.com>
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Message-ID: <20110609235540.GJ29479@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Karen Hogoboom (khogoboom at gmail.com):

> I am on the buug mailing list and I did not get an original copy of the
> email.  jaimef responded to me personally that buug is a moderated list and
> that his posting did not get in.  Are you sure it was buug that he posted to
> originally?

You're _still_ on about that?  And somehow that's _my_ problem?

Yes, buug at weak.org was in jaimef at mauthesis.com's list of recipients on
the mail (of his) that I received and to which I replied-all.  Something
like:

To: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
Cc: buug at weak.org

If I had to speculate, it might have been that jaimef at mauthesis.com 
had posted from a non-subscribed address, such that Mailman then discarded
or rejected his posting, such that subscribers other than me didn't get 
copies.  Not really my concern:  I'm not the listadmin.  Point is, I
reasonably interpreted what I'd received as being a mailing list
posting, because the author's headers said it was one.

OK?  I am not jaimef at mauthesis.com's keeper.  Nor am I a free-of-charge
public utility for analysis of other people's SMTP puzzles.


> > > I will now assume that cross-posting is o.k.
> >
> > Your statement appears to be non-sequitur
> 
> My guess was that you know him from another list or another context
> that I am not included in, and that you quoted him into our
> discussion.

_Why_ am I obliged to explain why your statement was non-sequitur,
Karen?  Can't you figure it out?

You stated that you had concluded that 'cross-posting is o.k.', thus 
implicitly assuming that I'd cross-posted.  As you should have
understood long before now, your assumption was simply incorrect: 
I had not cross-posted.  Therefore, your assumption that my
cross-posting made cross-posting OK was non-sequitur (even if it were
true that my doing X automatically makes X OK, which is obviously not a
rational conclusion even if it is at least a tiny bit flattering).

Now, please, if there are aspects of mailing list management that you're
having a problem with, kindly cease bothering me, your fellow
subscriber.  I don't even administer this mailing list.  Like Zaphod
Beeblebrox, I'm just this guy, y'know?

I shouldn't be obliged to waste huge amounts of time for no better
reason than (speculating) jaimef at mauthesis.com attempting to post from
an unsubscribed address and you then being unable to figure out what
happened and posting bad guesses about it.  Please don't bother me again
about this.  Thank you.



From khogoboom at gmail.com  Thu Jun  9 17:41:54 2011
From: khogoboom at gmail.com (Karen Hogoboom)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 17:41:54 -0700
Subject: [buug] Berkeley Unix User's Group
In-Reply-To: <20110609235540.GJ29479@linuxmafia.com>
References: <BANLkTinC8GgaZcYq8CUagjjjQFcr4qpDjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110527022156.GA9466@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTiky7qxMJawL9O66TtATMOAxDsf=YA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110528223647.GH18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.64.1105281907090.4307@dns.mauthesis.com>
	<20110529044820.GI18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTi=-6gQWrM8yBPpaJco6WVX==QwGtw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110531205115.GN18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTimQcumQ=_hCMLJHcOdOikV12WbVAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110609235540.GJ29479@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTin9xEu51AhN_u__HpVUny19Sd+12Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am just attempting to defend my good name.  I'm sorry that you decided to
start a flame war about it.

I would prefer to attend polite user group meetings and be on polite email
lists where women are not dissed without people looking into those women's
credentials first.

Just because a woman is over 40 is no reason to start abusing her in public.

Karen

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> Quoting Karen Hogoboom (khogoboom at gmail.com):
>
> > I am on the buug mailing list and I did not get an original copy of the
> > email.  jaimef responded to me personally that buug is a moderated list
> and
> > that his posting did not get in.  Are you sure it was buug that he posted
> to
> > originally?
>
> You're _still_ on about that?  And somehow that's _my_ problem?
>
> Yes, buug at weak.org was in jaimef at mauthesis.com's list of recipients on
> the mail (of his) that I received and to which I replied-all.  Something
> like:
>
> To: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
> Cc: buug at weak.org
>
> If I had to speculate, it might have been that jaimef at mauthesis.com
> had posted from a non-subscribed address, such that Mailman then discarded
> or rejected his posting, such that subscribers other than me didn't get
> copies.  Not really my concern:  I'm not the listadmin.  Point is, I
> reasonably interpreted what I'd received as being a mailing list
> posting, because the author's headers said it was one.
>
> OK?  I am not jaimef at mauthesis.com's keeper.  Nor am I a free-of-charge
> public utility for analysis of other people's SMTP puzzles.
>
>
> > > > I will now assume that cross-posting is o.k.
> > >
> > > Your statement appears to be non-sequitur
> >
> > My guess was that you know him from another list or another context
> > that I am not included in, and that you quoted him into our
> > discussion.
>
> _Why_ am I obliged to explain why your statement was non-sequitur,
> Karen?  Can't you figure it out?
>
> You stated that you had concluded that 'cross-posting is o.k.', thus
> implicitly assuming that I'd cross-posted.  As you should have
> understood long before now, your assumption was simply incorrect:
> I had not cross-posted.  Therefore, your assumption that my
> cross-posting made cross-posting OK was non-sequitur (even if it were
> true that my doing X automatically makes X OK, which is obviously not a
> rational conclusion even if it is at least a tiny bit flattering).
>
> Now, please, if there are aspects of mailing list management that you're
> having a problem with, kindly cease bothering me, your fellow
> subscriber.  I don't even administer this mailing list.  Like Zaphod
> Beeblebrox, I'm just this guy, y'know?
>
> I shouldn't be obliged to waste huge amounts of time for no better
> reason than (speculating) jaimef at mauthesis.com attempting to post from
> an unsubscribed address and you then being unable to figure out what
> happened and posting bad guesses about it.  Please don't bother me again
> about this.  Thank you.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Buug mailing list
> Buug at weak.org
> http://www.weak.org/mailman/listinfo/buug
>



-- 
Karen Lee Hogoboom
Computer Programmer
Phone:  (510) 666-8298
Mobile:  (510) 407-4363

khogoboom at gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/karenlhogoboom
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From jb at caustic.org  Thu Jun  9 18:03:28 2011
From: jb at caustic.org (Johan Beisser)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:03:28 -0700
Subject: [buug] Berkeley Unix User's Group
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTin9xEu51AhN_u__HpVUny19Sd+12Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinC8GgaZcYq8CUagjjjQFcr4qpDjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110527022156.GA9466@linuxmafia.com>
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Karen Hogoboom <khogoboom at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am just attempting to defend my good name.? I'm sorry that you decided to
> start a flame war about it.
>
> I would prefer to attend polite user group meetings and be on polite email
> lists where women are not dissed without people looking into those women's
> credentials first.
>
> Just because a woman is over 40 is no reason to start abusing her in public.

Would you please explain two things for me:

1 - where was anyone outright rude to you due to your sex?
2 - when did anyone in this thread abuse you (either for being over
40, or for being female).

So far I've seen nothing but polite insistence of research, with
pointers to where you can get more information.

I guess it's actually three questions.

3 - what broken MIT stuff?


From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Jun  9 18:08:08 2011
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:08:08 -0700
Subject: [buug] Berkeley Unix User's Group
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTin9xEu51AhN_u__HpVUny19Sd+12Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110527022156.GA9466@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTiky7qxMJawL9O66TtATMOAxDsf=YA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110528223647.GH18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.64.1105281907090.4307@dns.mauthesis.com>
	<20110529044820.GI18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTi=-6gQWrM8yBPpaJco6WVX==QwGtw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110531205115.GN18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTimQcumQ=_hCMLJHcOdOikV12WbVAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110609235540.GJ29479@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTin9xEu51AhN_u__HpVUny19Sd+12Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110610010808.GR2206@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Karen Hogoboom (khogoboom at gmail.com):

> I am just attempting to defend my good name.  I'm sorry that you decided to
> start a flame war about it.

I have absolutely no idea how your good name would be at risk, not to
mention your 'credentials'.  From my perspective, all I did was post a
one-line humourous reply-all response to a rather oddly impassioned
advocacy posting from some guy I don't know, and all of a sudden you're
pestering me about that _other_ guy.

It seems to me that, if anyone, you should be bothering
jaimef at mauthesis.com and not me.  Thank you for your attention to
such matters.


From rick at linuxmafia.com  Thu Jun  9 23:04:02 2011
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 23:04:02 -0700
Subject: [buug] Berkeley Unix User's Group
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1106092302270.18381@dns.mauthesis.com>
References: <20110528223647.GH18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.64.1105281907090.4307@dns.mauthesis.com>
	<20110529044820.GI18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTi=-6gQWrM8yBPpaJco6WVX==QwGtw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110531205115.GN18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTimQcumQ=_hCMLJHcOdOikV12WbVAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110609235540.GJ29479@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTin9xEu51AhN_u__HpVUny19Sd+12Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110610010808.GR2206@linuxmafia.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.64.1106092302270.18381@dns.mauthesis.com>
Message-ID: <20110610060402.GN29479@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting jaimef at mauthesis.com (jaimef at mauthesis.com):

> Oh well this list is not what I appear to be looking for.

In fairness, it appears to be an isolated phenomenon.  However, in
future, you might wish to take care to subscribe your posting addresses
to mailing lists before posting from them.

-- 
Rick Moen            "Do not abbreviate 'Maine'.  They will call the newsroom 
rick at linuxmafia.com  and whine in that ridiculous fake accent of theirs."
McQ!  (4x80)                                          -- FakeAPStylebook


From khogoboom at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 04:12:13 2011
From: khogoboom at gmail.com (Karen Hogoboom)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 04:12:13 -0700
Subject: [buug] Berkeley Unix User's Group
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=nb4eCL1WyJcficXGnaaYm5PEf_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinC8GgaZcYq8CUagjjjQFcr4qpDjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110527022156.GA9466@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTiky7qxMJawL9O66TtATMOAxDsf=YA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110528223647.GH18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.64.1105281907090.4307@dns.mauthesis.com>
	<20110529044820.GI18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTi=-6gQWrM8yBPpaJco6WVX==QwGtw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110531205115.GN18884@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTimQcumQ=_hCMLJHcOdOikV12WbVAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110609235540.GJ29479@linuxmafia.com>
	<BANLkTin9xEu51AhN_u__HpVUny19Sd+12Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTi=nb4eCL1WyJcficXGnaaYm5PEf_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTim_L2QAJh94yP9gzOp28J9rhVPhNg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mr. Beisser,

I don't believe we've met.  Have you attended any buug meetings that I've
been at?

1)  Please clarify whether you mean due to my sex acts or my gender.

2)  I perceive myself as having been discriminated against in the software
industry due to my gender for as long as I have been in it.

3)  I strongly suggest that you go to Boston and examine the evidence
yourself.

Karen

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Johan Beisser <jb at caustic.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Karen Hogoboom <khogoboom at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I am just attempting to defend my good name.  I'm sorry that you decided
> to
> > start a flame war about it.
> >
> > I would prefer to attend polite user group meetings and be on polite
> email
> > lists where women are not dissed without people looking into those
> women's
> > credentials first.
> >
> > Just because a woman is over 40 is no reason to start abusing her in
> public.
>
> Would you please explain two things for me:
>
> 1 - where was anyone outright rude to you due to your sex?
> 2 - when did anyone in this thread abuse you (either for being over
> 40, or for being female).
>
> So far I've seen nothing but polite insistence of research, with
> pointers to where you can get more information.
>
> I guess it's actually three questions.
>
> 3 - what broken MIT stuff?
>



-- 
Karen Lee Hogoboom
Computer Programmer
Phone:  (510) 666-8298
Mobile:  (510) 407-4363

khogoboom at gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/karenlhogoboom
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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Thu Jun 16 08:10:52 2011
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:10:52 -0700
Subject: [buug] BALUG Tu 2011-06-21: Stefano Maffulli: Get to know the
	FreedomBox	project; & other BALUG news
Message-ID: <20110616081052.19031p0mszrhs6jo@webmail.rawbw.com>

BALUG Tu 2011-06-21: Stefano Maffulli: Get to know the FreedomBox  
project; & other BALUG news

In this issue (details further below):

2011-06-21: Stefano Maffulli: Get to know the FreedomBox project

CDs, etc.

"Slides" from 2011-05-17 BALUG meeting

------------------------------

Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG) meeting
Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-06-21

Please RSVP if you're planning to come (see further below).

For our Tuesday 6:30 P.M. 2011-06-21 meeting, we're proud to present:

2011-06-21 Stefano Maffulli on FreedomBox[1]
Title: Get to know the FreedomBox project

Abstract:
The FreedomBox is a generation of smart devices whose engineered
purpose is to work together to facilitate free communication among
people, safely and securely, beyond the ambition of the strongest power
to penetrate, they can make freedom of thought and information a
permanent, ineradicable feature of the net that holds our souls.

The project started because social networking and digital
communications technologies are now critical to people fighting to make
freedom in their societies.  Think of the revolutions in the Egypt and
Lybia.

Stefano Maffulli will give an overview of the aim of the project, give
an update on its status and provide information to start hacking on it.

Stefano Maffulli, long time free/libre software advocate, former
Italian Chancellor of Free Software Foundation Europe, helped Europe
reject the directive on software patents and in the European antitrust
trial against Microsoft.  Worked as community manager for open source
company Funambol and later at Twitter, taking care of user growth in
Italy.  Currently helping the FreedomBox Foundation reach its goal.

1. http://freedomboxfoundation.org/

See also a bit further below for some additional goodies we'll have at
this meeting (CDs, etc.)

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                        rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the
Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and dining arrangements and such.
We've also tweaked our "door prize" / giveaway practices a bit - so
RSVPing and arriving sufficiently on time increases one's odds of
winning door prize(s) and/or getting first or earlier pick of giveaway
items.

Meeting Details...

                        6:30pm
                        Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 2011-06-21

                        Four Seas Restaurant http://www.fourseasr.com/
                        731 Grant Ave.
                        San Francisco, CA 94108
                        Easy PARKING:
                          Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny:
                          http://www.sfpsg.com/

Cost: The meetings are always free, but for dinner, for your gift of $13
        cash, we give you a gift of dinner - joining us for a yummy
        family-style Chinese dinner - tax and tip included (your gift
        also helps in our patronizing the restaurant venue and helping
        to defray BALUG costs such treating our speakers to dinner).


------------------------------

CDs, etc.:

Additional goodies we'll have at the meeting (at least the following):

CDs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We do also have some additional give-away items, and may have
"door prizes".

------------------------------

"Slides" from 2011-05-17 BALUG meeting:
Cloud.com's Mark Hinkle, VP of Community, on: Open Source Solutions for
Building and Deploying Private and Public Clouds
Have a look on Mark Hinkle's site[1] at the various slide/presentation
references/links.

1. http://socializedsoftware.com/

------------------------------

Twitter! - follow BALUG on Twitter: BALUG_org

You can now follow BALUG on Twitter. We're still working out exactly
how we'll use that BALUG_org account on Twitter, but follow us there,
and we'll likely include at least some announcements and updates.
Thoughts/feedback on how we use that Twitter account? - drop us a note
at: publicity-feedback at balug.org

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Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

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