From itz at buug.org  Tue Jan  5 11:30:30 2016
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 11:30:30 -0800
Subject: [buug] Seriously
Message-ID: <20160105192957.21906.389DD93B@ahiker.mooo.com>

Is Android considered Unix?  I have a question :-P

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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Tue Jan  5 19:30:17 2016
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 19:30:17 -0800
Subject: [buug] Seriously - Is Android considered Unix?
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> From: "Ian Zimmerman" <itz at buug.org>
> Subject: [buug] Seriously
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 11:30:30 -0800

> Is Android considered Unix?  I have a question :-P

Well, Android is Linux, by virtue of kernel.
But as for Unix - Andriod would I think most certainly
qualify as Unix-like.  However, as for being
certified or certifiably Unix, I'm guessing no on both counts.
Probably no on certified, as I doubt there's sufficient interest for
it to be certified Unix, and secondly, it may not qualify on account of
quite possibly being sufficiently stripped of stuff not generally
relevant to/for Android, that it may fail to meet the specifications
for Unix.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Linux_kernel


From itz at buug.org  Tue Jan  5 21:26:24 2016
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 21:26:24 -0800
Subject: [buug] Seriously - Is Android considered Unix?
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On 2016-01-05 19:30 -0800, Michael Paoli wrote:

> But as for Unix - Andriod would I think most certainly qualify as
> Unix-like.  However, as for being certified or certifiably Unix, I'm
> guessing no on both counts.  Probably no on certified, as I doubt
> there's sufficient interest for it to be certified Unix, and secondly,
> it may not qualify on account of quite possibly being sufficiently
> stripped of stuff not generally relevant to/for Android, that it may
> fail to meet the specifications for Unix.

Thanks for the thorough answer :-)

On all my "real" computers, running wheezy, I have set up a VPN tunnel
to my Linode server over which DNS resolution is done.  I am looking for
a way to do the same on my tablet, where I just replaced stock Android
with CyanogenMod.

Here are some things I tried:

I installed the openvpn app from f-droid [1].  It seems to be able to do
what I want (and more), but only when talking to the full (proprietary)
openvpn server.  It can talk to the open "community" server too, but
then it cannot change routing or DNS settings.

I also tried the connectbot-vx ssh app [2].  Here I had the strangest
experience.  After creating a new keypair I tried connecting to the
Linode.  It failed (actually it hang), so I looked at the log on the
Linode; and I found an attempted connection from an address entirely
unknown and unrelated to mine, as if the app wasn't connecting directly
but through some proxy.  (The reason for the failure was that I recently
restricted the key exchange algo to just curve25519; but you understand
I didn't pursue this avenue further.)

Right now I'm thinking the only way may be IPsec, for which there seems
to be built-in support in CM.  But that would be entirely new to me, so
I'm running around on lists trying to avoid it.

[1]
https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/de.blinkt.openvpn

[2]
https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/sk.vx.connectbot

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From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu  Mon Jan 18 08:06:52 2016
From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:06:52 -0800
Subject: [buug] BALUG: Tu 2016-01-19: Meeting!, & other BALUG News ...
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BALUG: Tu 2016-01-19: Meeting!, & other BALUG News ...

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items, details further below:
BALUG meeting 2016-01-19
giveaways (CDs/DVDs, ...)
help BALUG! :-) - volunteering, venue, ...
Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

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For our 2016-01-19 BALUG meeting:

At least presently we don't have a specific speaker/presentation lined
up for this meeting, but that doesn't prevent us from having
interesting and exciting meetings and discussions.  Sometimes we also
manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to announce or fully
publicize the speaker (that's happened at least twice in the past).
Got questions, answers, and/or opinions?  We typically have some
expert(s) and/or relative expert(s) present to cover Linux and related
topic areas.  Want to hear some interesting discussions on LINUX and
other topics?  Show up at the meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda
if you wish.  Want to help ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations
lined up for future meetings?  Help refer speakers to us and/or
volunteer to be one of the speaker coordinators.  Great food and
people, and interesting conversations to be had.

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to:

                         rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help
BALUG and our venue plan for the meeting and accommodations, so please
let us know.

    6:30pm Tuesday, January 19th, 2016 2016-01-19
    Henry's Hunan Restaurant
    110 Natoma St. (between 2nd & New Montgomery)
    San Francisco, CA 94105-3704
    1-415-546-4999
    http://www.henryshunanrestaurant.com/
    Easy Transit/Parking Access: short walk from BART, MUNI, parking
       Trip planning:  http://www.511.org/

Delicious Hunan cuisine and reasonably priced.

Meeting Details...

Cost/Dining:
     The meetings are always free, but dinner is not (unless you are our
     guest speaker, in which case we also treat you to dinner).  For
     Henry's Hunan Restaurant, if folks are agreeable, we'll share and
     dine "family" style, and split up the costs, and typical cost per
     person including tax and tip (but not including beverages beyond
     complementary tea) would be in the $13.00 to $17.50 range, and
     commonly around $15.00 to $16.50.  Cash may be preferred to ease
     splitting up the check.  One can also specifically order the
     dish(es) one needs/prefers (e.g. for dietary considerations) - and
     we also commonly order some dish(es) that may meet various dietary
     considerations) (e.g. vegetarian, non-pork, ...).  Please arrive by
     7:00 P.M., we expect to order entrees at that time, and may order
     appetizer(s) and/or soup(s) anytime after 6:30 P.M.

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We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings.  We'll
likely have at least the below plus additional items.

CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here:
http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash,
etc.  Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
also appreciated.  See the above URL for details (and the inventory
(qty.) of what we specifically have "burned" and available on-hand does
also frequently change).

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help BALUG! :-) - volunteering, venue ...

You can do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG,
e.g. following up on many leads for possible venue, among many other
possibilities.

Quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG.  Come talk to us at a
meeting and/or drop us a note at: balug-contact at balug.org
These opportunities may include, among other possibilities:
o venue arrangement (e.g. followup on potential leads
   on-site coordination/preparations), see also:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2014-July/001504.html
o chief/assistant cat herder
o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
o assist on publicity
o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
     quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrators).
o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist
o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG "ought" to be doing or
     would be good to do (feel free to suggest ideas!)

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Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org

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Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org

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From itz at buug.org  Sat Jan 23 19:52:21 2016
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 19:52:21 -0800
Subject: [buug] Looking for usable VoIP
Message-ID: <20160124033554.19376.2E722E8D@ahiker.mooo.com>

I'm looking for a personal VoIP service that can be used with the FOSS
usual suspects - linphone, ekiga or such.

A couple years back I tried these 2:

Diamondcard [1] - seems very flexible, lots of features, but their links
to "gold bugs" are unsettling, see for example [2].

Voxcorp [3] - had terrible call quality at that time, and now the
website seems to be a blog and nothing more, a good sign the telco
business didn't work out.

Any others?  I assume the likes of Vonage chain you to their software
and maybe even a particular OS, so I never looked at them, but maybe I
am wrong?

[1]
http://diamondcard.us/

[2]
http://wiki.diamondcard.us/podwiki?page=Gata

[3]
http://www.voxcorp.net/

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From excelblue at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 20:08:56 2016
From: excelblue at gmail.com (Mark Lu)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 20:08:56 -0800
Subject: [buug] Looking for usable VoIP
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It sounds like what you want is some sort of “SIP origination” service since SIP is basically the standard VoIP protocol. There are several providers out there, many with very competitive rates. If you’re unhappy with any one, all you have to do is port your number and give your new provider your SIP address.

It’s been a while since I’ve last done a VoIP setup, so I don’t recall which providers I used. However, I do know that Twilio provides SIP origination and termination.


> On Jan 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a personal VoIP service that can be used with the FOSS
> usual suspects - linphone, ekiga or such.
> 
> A couple years back I tried these 2:
> 
> Diamondcard [1] - seems very flexible, lots of features, but their links
> to "gold bugs" are unsettling, see for example [2].
> 
> Voxcorp [3] - had terrible call quality at that time, and now the
> website seems to be a blog and nothing more, a good sign the telco
> business didn't work out.
> 
> Any others?  I assume the likes of Vonage chain you to their software
> and maybe even a particular OS, so I never looked at them, but maybe I
> am wrong?
> 
> [1]
> http://diamondcard.us/
> 
> [2]
> http://wiki.diamondcard.us/podwiki?page=Gata
> 
> [3]
> http://www.voxcorp.net/
> 
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