From itz at buug.org Wed Jun 1 11:06:34 2016 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 11:06:34 -0700 Subject: [buug] ZeroShell adventure In-Reply-To: <20160601050440.GI27552@linuxmafia.com> References: <20160601022716.12230.2CA812A2@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20160601050440.GI27552@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20160601175905.2857.0C9057E7@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> On 2016-05-31 22:04 -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > In case it's useful: > http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian/openrc-conversion.html > > I expect the same situation will apply with Debian 9 "Stretch", Debian > 10 "Buster", and later. I.e., no need to abandon Debian merely to avoid > the systemd / udev / Freedesktop.org plague unless you're seriously > addicted to GNOME (/MATE/Cinnamon), Xfce4, KDE, Razor-qt, or > NetworkManager and refuse to go cold-turkey. I now see that plague as only the last symptom of the more general problem that I'm stuck with whatever dependencies the Debian maintainer chooses to foist on me. The number of packages that I have to self-maintain has grown slowly but steadily to about 20 now. > > http://freedns.afraid.org/ > > Why outsource? Given a static IP, it's not at all difficult to run NSD > on it. http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Network_Other/dns-servers.html#nsd Very interesting, thanks! I'll come back after reading that in full. -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court. From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Jun 1 12:46:22 2016 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 12:46:22 -0700 Subject: [buug] ZeroShell adventure In-Reply-To: <20160601175905.2857.0C9057E7@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> References: <20160601022716.12230.2CA812A2@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20160601050440.GI27552@linuxmafia.com> <20160601175905.2857.0C9057E7@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> Message-ID: <20160601194622.GK27552@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Ian Zimmerman (itz at buug.org): > I now see that plague as only the last symptom of the more general > problem that I'm stuck with whatever dependencies the Debian > maintainer chooses to foist on me. The number of packages that I have > to self-maintain has grown slowly but steadily to about 20 now. That is indeed a compelling use-case for a build-from-source distribution like Gentoo. You might also find of interest: Manjaro OpenRC, Arch Linux (likewise has a variant with OpenRC rather than systemd), Funtoo (ditto). Also, the packages at Devuan's repo are (by design) Debian-compatible and (by philosophy) far less dependency-ridden -- though possibly not for the packages of greatest interest to you. [ http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Network_Other/dns-servers.html#nsd ] > Very interesting, thanks! I'll come back after reading that in full. If interested, I can pass along SVLUG's notes to it sysadmins about administration of NSD 3.x. NSD 4.x changes things yet again, I hear. http://lists.svlug.org/archives/volunteers/2016q2/004756.html From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Thu Jun 2 19:19:15 2016 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 19:19:15 -0700 Subject: [buug] BUUG @ Bobby G's until power restored @ Au Coquelet Cafe Message-ID: <20160602191915.86654fllxgqsh5bc@webmail.rawbw.com> Berkeley Unix User Group (BUUG) for this evening's meeting 7pm-9pm, will be at: Bobby G's Pizzeria 2074 University Ave. (about 1/2 block E of our regular location) until power is restored. Au Coquelet Cafe is closed while power is out, Bobby G's is open and will remain open (limited menu*, cash only). There's a power outage (started roughly 6pm or so) impacting a fair chunk of Berkeley. Estimated time of power restoration, at least for this block, is approximately 7:45pm +-15 minutes. That's only estimate, and times may also vary for other locations. *all beers $5.00, salads $10.00, most other items not available (but they were able to produce lemonade - 2 of the 3 of us here so far did get that). From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Thu Jun 2 19:29:29 2016 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 19:29:29 -0700 Subject: [buug] power restored, migrating back to Au Coquelet Cafe: Re: BUUG @ Bobby G's until power restored @ Au Coquelet Cafe In-Reply-To: <20160602191915.86654fllxgqsh5bc@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <20160602191915.86654fllxgqsh5bc@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <20160602192929.144414g6zg5bpm68@webmail.rawbw.com> Power was restored at approximately 7:24pm - we're migrating back to our regular location at Au Coquelet Cafe > From: "Michael Paoli" > Subject: BUUG @ Bobby G's until power restored @ Au Coquelet Cafe > Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 19:19:15 -0700 > Berkeley Unix User Group (BUUG) for this evening's meeting > 7pm-9pm, will be at: > Bobby G's Pizzeria > 2074 University Ave. (about 1/2 block E of our regular location) > until power is restored. > > Au Coquelet Cafe is closed while power is > out, Bobby G's is open and will remain open (limited menu*, cash only). > There's a power outage (started roughly 6pm or so) impacting a fair > chunk of Berkeley. Estimated time of power restoration, at least for > this block, is approximately 7:45pm +-15 minutes. That's only estimate, > and times may also vary for other locations. > > *all beers $5.00, salads $10.00, most other items not available > (but they were able to produce lemonade - 2 of the 3 of us here > so far did get that). > From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Fri Jun 3 07:52:49 2016 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 07:52:49 -0700 Subject: [buug] 6 BUUG folks made it to Au Coquelet Cafe: Re: power restored, migrating back to Au Coquelet Cafe: Re: BUUG @ Bobby G's until power restored @ Au Coquelet Cafe In-Reply-To: <20160602192929.144414g6zg5bpm68@webmail.rawbw.com> References: <20160602191915.86654fllxgqsh5bc@webmail.rawbw.com> <20160602192929.144414g6zg5bpm68@webmail.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <20160603075249.20042jfd6i4iqqec@webmail.rawbw.com> And despite the power situation, we did in total, have fair sized attendance - a total of 6 BUUG folks made it to Au Coquelet Cafe ... although we never had quite that many sitting where we were all at the same time (e.g. one joined right after another left - so close on timing they greeted each other within Au Coquelet Cafe - but not where we were seated). > From: "Michael Paoli" > Subject: power restored, migrating back to Au Coquelet Cafe: Re: > BUUG @ Bobby G's until power restored @ Au Coquelet Cafe > Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 19:29:29 -0700 > Power was restored at approximately 7:24pm - we're migrating back to > our regular location at > Au Coquelet Cafe > >> From: "Michael Paoli" >> Subject: BUUG @ Bobby G's until power restored @ Au Coquelet Cafe >> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 19:19:15 -0700 > >> Berkeley Unix User Group (BUUG) for this evening's meeting >> 7pm-9pm, will be at: >> Bobby G's Pizzeria >> 2074 University Ave. (about 1/2 block E of our regular location) >> until power is restored. >> >> Au Coquelet Cafe is closed while power is >> out, Bobby G's is open and will remain open (limited menu*, cash only). >> There's a power outage (started roughly 6pm or so) impacting a fair >> chunk of Berkeley. Estimated time of power restoration, at least for >> this block, is approximately 7:45pm +-15 minutes. That's only estimate, >> and times may also vary for other locations. >> >> *all beers $5.00, salads $10.00, most other items not available >> (but they were able to produce lemonade - 2 of the 3 of us here >> so far did get that). >> > > From itz at buug.org Fri Jun 17 23:08:58 2016 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:08:58 -0700 Subject: [buug] IRC Message-ID: <20160618060633.30689.2C23D91B@moyka.foolinux.mooo.com> I started a channel #buug on EFNet. Please drop by and say hello sometime :) I just thought if IRC is good for anything it must be for the kind of discussion we usually have at buug nowadays. -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Why does the arrow on Hillary signs point to the right? From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Mon Jun 20 08:51:54 2016 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 08:51:54 -0700 Subject: [buug] BALUG: Meetings: 2016-06-21: Tomorrow Tu; 2016-07-19: Elizabeth K. Joseph on: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "Xenial Xerus"; & other BALUG News Message-ID: <20160620085154.46631e4vufrc1t0g@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG: Meetings: 2016-06-21: Tomorrow Tu; 2016-07-19: Elizabeth K. Joseph on: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "Xenial Xerus"; & other BALUG News ------------------------------ items, details further below: BALUG meeting Tu 2016-06-21 BALUG meeting Tu 2016-07-19: Elizabeth K. Joseph on: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "Xenial Xerus" Shape AT&T Tech Expo July 15 & 16 @ AT&T Park (free with coupon code ...) O'Reilly - free "reports" (mini-books) giveaways (Books & other titles, CDs/DVDs, ...) Upcoming BALUG list changes?! help BALUG! :-) - volunteering, venue, ... Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org ------------------------------ For our 2016-06-21 BALUG meeting: At least presently we don't have a specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings and discussions. Sometimes we also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to announce or fully publicize the speaker (that's happened at least twice in the past). Got questions, answers, and/or opinions? We typically have some expert(s) and/or relative expert(s) present to cover Linux and related topic areas. Want to hear some interesting discussions on LINUX and other topics? Show up at the meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if you wish. Want to help ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations lined up for future meetings? Help refer speakers to us and/or volunteer to be one of the speaker coordinators. Great food and people, and interesting conversations to be had. So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and our venue plan for the meeting and accommodations, so please let us know. 6:30pm Tuesday, May 17th, 2016 2016-05-17 Henry's Hunan Restaurant 110 Natoma St. (between 2nd & New Montgomery) San Francisco, CA 94105-3704 1-415-546-4999 http://www.henryshunanrestaurant.com/ Easy Transit/Parking Access: short walk from BART, MUNI, parking Trip planning: http://www.511.org/ Delicious Hunan cuisine and reasonably priced. Meeting Details... Cost/Dining: The meetings are always free, but dinner is not (unless you are our guest speaker, in which case we also treat you to dinner). For Henry's Hunan Restaurant, if folks are agreeable, we'll share and dine "family" style, and split up the costs, and typical cost per person including tax and tip (but not including beverages beyond complementary tea) would be in the $13.00 to $17.50 range, and commonly around $15.00 to $16.50. Cash may be preferred to ease splitting up the check. One can also specifically order the dish(es) one needs/prefers (e.g. for dietary considerations) - and we also commonly order some dish(es) that may meet various dietary considerations) (e.g. vegetarian, non-pork, ...). Please arrive by 7:00 P.M., we expect to order entrees at that time, and may order appetizer(s) and/or soup(s) anytime after 6:30 P.M. ------------------------------ For our 2016-07-19 meeting, we're proud to present: Elizabeth K. Joseph[1] on: Ubuntu[2] 16.04 LTS "Xenial Xerus"[3] Ubuntu 16.04 is the latest Long-Term Support (LTS)[4] release from the Ubuntu community[5] and Canonical[6]. This talk will be a tour of new features, including disabling of Amazon search by default, replacement of the Ubuntu Software Center, replacement of init system with systemd[7] (new since the last LTS release), ability to move the Unity launcher to the bottom of the screen, inclusion of ZFS[8] and the introduction of Snappy[9]. An update on the progress of Ubuntu on phones and tablets will also be presented, with a demonstration of the first convergence device on the market, the bq Aquaris M10 Ubuntu edition. Elizabeth K. Joseph is a Senior Automation and Tools Engineer at HPE[10] working on the OpenStack[11] Infrastructure team. She is a former member of the Ubuntu Community Council[12] and is a co-author of the 8th and upcoming 9th editions of The Official Ubuntu Book[13]. Here in San Francisco, she serves on the Board of Directors for Partimus.org[14], a non-profit providing Linux-based computers to area education and low-income housing centers in need. 1. http://princessleia.com/ 2. http://www.ubuntu.com/ 3. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes 4. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS 5. http://community.ubuntu.com/ 6. http://www.canonical.com/ 7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd 8. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS 9. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snappy_(package_manager) 10. https://www.hpe.com/ 11. https://www.openstack.org/ 12. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil 13. http://www.informit.com/store/official-ubuntu-book-9780133905397 14. http://partimus.org/ ------------------------------ Shape AT&T Tech Expo July 15 & 16 @ AT&T Park (free with coupon code ...) http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2016-June/000042.html ------------------------------ O'Reilly - free "reports" (mini-books) http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2016-June/000043.html ------------------------------ We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings. We'll likely have at least the below plus additional items. Books and other titles! have a look/read here: https://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:books_and_publications http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2016-March/000035.html CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash, etc. Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof, also appreciated. See the above URL for details (and the inventory (qty.) of what we specifically have "burned" and available on-hand does also frequently change). ------------------------------ Upcoming BALUG list changes?! Yes, for the past many years, much of BALUG, including our lists, has been and is still presently hosted on DreamHost.com. We will be changing that in the not-too-horribly-distant-future. (primary volunteer on this has been buried under some other stuff to attend to, so taking a bit longer.) We'll update on status when that's about to change and when it does change. We'll provide more details as we approach and go through that transition, and we'll make it as painless as feasible. ------------------------------ help BALUG! :-) - volunteering, venue ... You can do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG, e.g. following up on many leads for possible venue, among many other possibilities. Quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG. Come talk to us at a meeting and/or drop us a note at: balug-contact at balug.org These opportunities may include, among other possibilities: o venue arrangement (e.g. followup on potential leads on-site coordination/preparations), see also: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2014-July/001504.html o chief/assistant cat herder o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc. o assist on publicity o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrator(s)). o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist o archivist/history/retrieval/etc. o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG would like to be doing (also feel free to suggest ideas!) ------------------------------ Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ From itz at buug.org Wed Jun 29 13:02:05 2016 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 13:02:05 -0700 Subject: [buug] Gentoo and NSD [Was: ZeroShell adventure] In-Reply-To: <20160601194622.GK27552@linuxmafia.com> References: <20160601022716.12230.2CA812A2@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20160601050440.GI27552@linuxmafia.com> <20160601175905.2857.0C9057E7@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20160601194622.GK27552@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20160629195104.12409.3251D881@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> On 2016-06-01 12:46 -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > I now see that plague as only the last symptom of the more general > > problem that I'm stuck with whatever dependencies the Debian > > maintainer chooses to foist on me. The number of packages that I have > > to self-maintain has grown slowly but steadily to about 20 now. > > That is indeed a compelling use-case for a build-from-source > distribution like Gentoo. And now I'm mostly done with the migration [1]. > [ http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Network_Other/dns-servers.html#nsd ] This was a misunderstanding. I don't rely on freedns to run a nameserver for me; I do that anyway, as part of my quixotic fight against spam. One must run a self hosted nameserver for DNS based blacklists to be effective, a shared nameserver soon goes over quota and is blocked from further queries. What I get from freedns is a domain name that is part of the global namespace, without paying any real money, and more importantly without having to use the Web 2.0 interfaces of providers such Dyn or NoIP, or the ones that cannot even be named (oops, a pun slipped in). [1] http://primate.net/~itz/blog/gentoo-switch-on-pcs-complete.html -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Why does the arrow on Hillary signs point to the right?