From Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu Mon Mar 20 08:21:24 2017 From: Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu (Michael Paoli) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 08:21:24 -0700 Subject: [buug] BALUG: meeting TOMORROW!: Tu 2017-03-21; & other BALUG News Message-ID: <20170320082124.17594nnx786pl9c0@webmail.rawbw.com> BALUG: meeting TOMORROW!: Tu 2017-03-21; & other BALUG News ------------------------------ items, details further below: BALUG meeting TOMORROW: Tu 2017-03-21 giveaways (Books/publications, CDs/DVDs, ...) help BALUG! :-) - volunteering, venue, ... Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org Upcoming BALUG list changes?! ------------------------------ For our 2017-03-21 BALUG meeting: At least presently we don't have a specific speaker/presentation lined up for this meeting, but that doesn't prevent us from having interesting and exciting meetings and discussions. Sometimes we also manage to secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to announce or fully publicize the speaker (that's happened at least twice in the past). Got questions, answers, and/or opinions? We typically have some expert(s) and/or relative expert(s) present to cover Linux and related topic areas. Want to hear some interesting discussions on LINUX and other topics? Show up at the meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda if you wish. Want to help ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations lined up for future meetings? Help refer speakers to us and/or volunteer to be one of the speaker coordinators. Great food and people, and interesting conversations to be had. So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP to: rsvp at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help BALUG and our venue plan for the meeting and accommodations, so please let us know. 6:30pm Tuesday, March 21st, 2017 2017-03-21 Henry's Hunan Restaurant 110 Natoma St. (between 2nd & New Montgomery) San Francisco, CA 94105-3704 1-415-546-4999 http://henryshunan.com/ Easy Transit/Parking Access: short walk from BART, MUNI, parking Trip planning: http://www.511.org/ Delicious Hunan cuisine and reasonably priced. Meeting Details... Cost/Dining: The meetings are always free, but dinner is not (unless you are our guest speaker, in which case we also treat you to dinner). For Henry's Hunan Restaurant, if folks are agreeable, we'll share and dine "family" style, and split up the costs, and typical cost per person including tax and tip (but not including beverages beyond complementary tea) would be in the $13.00 to $17.50 range, and commonly around $15.00 to $16.50. Cash may be preferred to ease splitting up the check. One can also specifically order the dish(es) one needs/prefers (e.g. for dietary considerations) - and we also commonly order some dish(es) that may meet various dietary considerations) (e.g. vegetarian, non-pork, ...). Please arrive by 7:00 P.M., we expect to order entrees at that time, and may order appetizer(s) and/or soup(s) anytime after 6:30 P.M. ------------------------------ We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings. We'll likely have at least the below plus additional items. Books and other titles! have a look/read here: https://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:books_and_publications CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a peek here: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc We may also be able to "burn" images per request or copy to USB flash, etc. Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof, also appreciated. See the above URL for details (and the inventory (qty.) of what we specifically have "burned" and available on-hand does also frequently change). ------------------------------ help BALUG! :-) - volunteering, venue ... You can do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG, e.g. following up on many leads for possible venue, among many other possibilities. Quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG. Come talk to us at a meeting and/or drop us a note at: balug-contact at balug.org These opportunities may include, among other possibilities: o venue arrangement (e.g. followup on potential leads on-site coordination/preparations), see also: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2014-July/001504.html o chief/assistant cat herder o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc. o assist on publicity o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrator(s)). o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist o archivist/history/retrieval/etc. o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG would like to be doing (also feel free to suggest ideas!) ------------------------------ Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org ------------------------------ Upcoming BALUG list changes?! Yes, for the past many years, much of BALUG, including our lists, has been and is still presently hosted on DreamHost.com. We will be changing that in the not-too-horribly-distant-future. (primary volunteer on this has been buried under some other stuff to attend to, so taking a bit longer.) We'll update on status when that's about to change and when it does change. We'll provide more details as we approach and go through that transition, and we'll make it as painless as feasible. ------------------------------ Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org ------------------------------ From brasspen at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 06:59:41 2017 From: brasspen at gmail.com (Chris Cunnington) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:59:41 -0400 Subject: [buug] Smalltalk Event Downtown, Sunday 9 April Message-ID: OopluCon 2017 A Day For The Smalltalk Programming Language And Its Friends 11-6 pm, The SF Chronicle Building, suite 306 http://www.ooplu.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From itz at primate.net Tue Mar 21 09:08:48 2017 From: itz at primate.net (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:08:48 -0700 Subject: [buug] Smalltalk Event Downtown, Sunday 9 April In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20170321160746.4144.01EB79E0@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> On 2017-03-21 09:59, Chris Cunnington wrote: > OopluCon 2017 > A Day For The Smalltalk Programming Language And Its Friends > 11-6 pm, The SF Chronicle Building, suite 306 > http://www.ooplu.com What does Smalltalk give you that Python (or even Javascript) doesn't? -- Please *no* private Cc: on mailing lists and newsgroups Personal signed mail: please _encrypt_ and sign Don't clear-text sign: http://cr.yp.to/smtp/8bitmime.html From brasspen at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 09:23:41 2017 From: brasspen at gmail.com (Chris Cunnington) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:23:41 -0400 Subject: [buug] Smalltalk Event Downtown, Sunday 9 April In-Reply-To: <20170321160746.4144.01EB79E0@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> References: <20170321160746.4144.01EB79E0@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> Message-ID: <91946658-3B9C-44D5-855E-AC78B1120A27@gmail.com> The quick answer is nothing. The reason I say that is most people care mainly about getting work done in specific domains. Python and Javascript have lots of libraries optimized for domains. You know what kind of work you want to do and you can find a library to do it faster because of the volume of users. The longer answer divides the question into process and product. Does it matter how you get work done? Do you only care about the product? If so, then the Smalltalk way is agreeable to some people. It’s more how I think, so I like it. We have an ad for beer here in Ontario (Canada) that says: “Those that like it like it a lot.” The other reason is that Python and Javascript are going to get pretty weird if you want to use continuations and such. I subscribe that if you want to reach the outer limits of exploring computer science you’ll need a language like Smalltalk or Lisp. But if you want to do what everybody else is doing in exactly the way they do it, then, no, Smalltalk has nothing to offer. Hope that helps, Chris > On Mar 21, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > On 2017-03-21 09:59, Chris Cunnington wrote: > >> OopluCon 2017 >> A Day For The Smalltalk Programming Language And Its Friends >> 11-6 pm, The SF Chronicle Building, suite 306 >> http://www.ooplu.com > > What does Smalltalk give you that Python (or even Javascript) doesn't? > > -- > Please *no* private Cc: on mailing lists and newsgroups > Personal signed mail: please _encrypt_ and sign > Don't clear-text sign: http://cr.yp.to/smtp/8bitmime.html > _______________________________________________ > buug mailing list > buug at buug.org > http://buug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/buug From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Mar 21 14:59:08 2017 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:59:08 -0700 Subject: [buug] Smalltalk Event Downtown, Sunday 9 April In-Reply-To: <20170321160746.4144.01EB79E0@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> References: <20170321160746.4144.01EB79E0@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> Message-ID: <20170321215908.GL5838@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Ian Zimmerman (itz at primate.net): > What does Smalltalk give you that Python (or even Javascript) doesn't? Chris said this a lot more elegantly, but: Smalltalk gives you Smalltalk coolness, not available in stores, unlimited time offer! From itz at primate.net Tue Mar 21 16:09:26 2017 From: itz at primate.net (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:09:26 -0700 Subject: [buug] features [Was: Smalltalk Event Downtown, Sunday 9 April] In-Reply-To: <91946658-3B9C-44D5-855E-AC78B1120A27@gmail.com> References: <20170321160746.4144.01EB79E0@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <91946658-3B9C-44D5-855E-AC78B1120A27@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20170321230007.20916.0C2D2FCC@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> On 2017-03-21 12:23, Chris Cunnington wrote: > The other reason is that Python and Javascript are going to get pretty > weird if you want to use continuations and such. I subscribe that if > you want to reach the outer limits of exploring computer science > you’ll need a language like Smalltalk or Lisp. Does Smalltalk have built in continuations? If yes that definitely qualifies as an answer to my question. Although Python does have Twisted, which is not built in but comes as close to it as is possible on the library level. With Javascript being even more FP flavored (according to its proponents anyway), I guess that a similar framework must exist in that realm too. -- Please *no* private Cc: on mailing lists and newsgroups Personal signed mail: please _encrypt_ and sign Don't clear-text sign: http://cr.yp.to/smtp/8bitmime.html From brasspen at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 18:51:46 2017 From: brasspen at gmail.com (Chris Cunnington) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:51:46 -0400 Subject: [buug] features [Was: Smalltalk Event Downtown, Sunday 9 April] In-Reply-To: <20170321230007.20916.0C2D2FCC@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> References: <20170321160746.4144.01EB79E0@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <91946658-3B9C-44D5-855E-AC78B1120A27@gmail.com> <20170321230007.20916.0C2D2FCC@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> Message-ID: <673C7710-7335-4180-9B62-0BBFA79C9FC5@gmail.com> Yea, we certainly have continuations. There’s an application web server based on them called Seaside. http://www.seaside.st Come out to the event, I’ll show it to you. And how it’s influenced the project I’m working on. If you cannot make it, there’s information here on how Seaside works. http://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/seaside/tutorial Seaside is great to learn about continuations. As for making it a home for your next web project… what would open source be without divided opinions and plans for alternatives? Definitely worth looking at, though. Chris > On Mar 21, 2017, at 7:09 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > On 2017-03-21 12:23, Chris Cunnington wrote: > >> The other reason is that Python and Javascript are going to get pretty >> weird if you want to use continuations and such. I subscribe that if >> you want to reach the outer limits of exploring computer science >> you’ll need a language like Smalltalk or Lisp. > > Does Smalltalk have built in continuations? If yes that definitely > qualifies as an answer to my question. Although Python does have > Twisted, which is not built in but comes as close to it as is possible > on the library level. With Javascript being even more FP flavored > (according to its proponents anyway), I guess that a similar > framework must exist in that realm too. > > -- > Please *no* private Cc: on mailing lists and newsgroups > Personal signed mail: please _encrypt_ and sign > Don't clear-text sign: http://cr.yp.to/smtp/8bitmime.html > _______________________________________________ > buug mailing list > buug at buug.org > http://buug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/buug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: