[buug] BerkeleyLUG meetup Sunday 2018-11-11
rick at linuxmafia.com
Sun Nov 11 18:46:15 PST 2018
A posting quoted below has just been retroactively removed from
BerkeleyLUG's Google Group archive by LUG original founder Jack
Deslippe, who was kind enough to so inform me of that action (for which
my genuine thanks). His cited reason: 'I think it uses unnecessary
language in places when describing the individual'.
I of course respect Jack's right to make decisions for that Google Group.
In my view, this account of events today used _absolutely necessary_
language describing the individual and his actions (and in alluding to
similar actions at many prior meetings). I posted it in public
_specifically_ because repeated attempts to privately fix this problem
failed and instead it worsened -- and specifically to create a public
record. Thus this re-post: to un-disappear my comments.
(Views expressed are my own.)
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 14:28:34 -0800
From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
To: BerkeleyLUG <berkeleylug at googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: AC Power, Wi-Fi but not from venue itself: Re: BerkeleyLUG
meetup this Sunday 2018-11-11 12Noon STANDARD Time at 85C Bakery
Quoting Michael Paoli (Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu):
> Have had 4 of us here so far ...
But also, now, two fewer, following the latest round of John Regan aka
Giovanni aka whatever-it-is-this-week misconduct right there, today, at the
I've had a near-contemporaneous account of what happened. Sadly, I had
a conflicting obligation in Milpitas, otherwise I most certainly would
have brought a screeching halt to this nonsense. Honestly, hasn't John
wrecked enough BerkeleyLUG meetings already, or do y'all intend to keep
just sitting there and only reacting long after the fact, and with little
or no consequence?
What I heard happening was: John Regan walked in and saw three women
sitting at the table BerkeleyLUG traditionally uses. He started
hassling the women and telling them they had to move because this is a
reserved table. Michael Paoli reminded John that no, this is not a
reserved table and never is one, nor are any of the others downstairs.
John ignored Michael, continued to give the women a hard time, and
advised them that he was finding them another table. Kim Davalos spoke
up to reiterate what Michael P. said, that _no_, this is not a reserved
table. John told the women that they should ignore Kim because she
arrived late. After being thus browbeaten, the women finally got up and
After the fact, 85c Bakery management confirmed exactly what Michael and
Kim had said, and were informed of the repeatedly and continually
misbehaving person who evidently needs stronger social control so he
can no longer run amok at BerkeleyLUG. Arrangements were made with the
manager in the future for them to step in sooner the next time this
person cannot behave in a civilised fashion to require him to
Today's incident, like many of the others John has inflicted on
BerkeleyLUG this year, are in my view simply disgraceful and should be
curbed instantly rather than indulged. Already, the _immediate_
result of today's incident was that two regulars, disgusted with
the failure to enforce obvious standards of acceptable behaviour, walked
out and went elsewhere.
I've privately warned after past incidents that permitting this clown to
run amok at BerkeleyLUG is quite likely to destroy the group if proper
corrective action is not taken. Today, I'm reiterating that warning
You already know what to do. End this. Next time, stop sitting on your
tochises, get up, and do it. Seriously, people, this isn't even
difficult to figure out. (See also .signature.)
Cheers, "I am a member of a civilization (IAAMOAC). Step back
Rick Moen from anger. Study how awful our ancestors had it, yet
rick at linuxmafia.com they struggled to get you here. Repay them by appreciating
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