[buug] Problems installing open-ssh
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Thu Jul 20 23:42:11 PDT 2000
--- Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> It's really bad idea to assume that you can just install any old RPM
> Intel binaries on any old RPM-based Intel distribution. Not only does
> that make failures such as you experienced happen quite often, but you
> can also apparently seriously hose your system.
I had *no idea. I was led to believe that Mandrake was totally compatible
with RPM installations. I have *not come across any such warning in the
several Linux books I have finished reading. Thanks for the warning, I
This explains why some RPM's failed, and others worked. I thought it was
either a glitch in the install, or (more likely) my own ignorance as a
Linux newbie going through his first major learning curve.
> I once saw someone attempt to install Red Hat x86 RPMs for XFree86 on a
> SuSE x86 system, and doing so messed up the system so badly that mere
> removal of the offending packages didn't suffice, and the user ended up
> wiping the system and starting over.
Well, I know nothing about SuSe...but I do know enough not to install DEB
on non-Debian distros, and likewise for RPM on non-Redhat distros.
Apparantly, my perception in this matter is overly simplistic.
> I would guess that the URL above is a rpmfind.net mirror, yes?
Yes, it is. I have found that Freshmeat is always too busy for downloads,
so I sought out one mirror after another, until finding one that was quite
reliable, with an extensive library.
> Let's pick a mirror site in Finland, so there'll be no possibility of
> idiocy with USA export laws, or crippled versions because of the RSA
> patent that expires in three months:
That's why I thought I found a good site, it's Finnish:
> It directs you to nine non-USA sites. Let's pick the one in Sweden:
> Whoo-hoo! In the "RPMS" directory, we find:
> You know something? I'd get all of those. All.
Okay, I FTP'd them all in one fell swoop...except those three large
Netscape files, as I'm already updated to version 4.73.
> > Wasn't it supposed to install a binary file "ssh" in folder "/etc"?
> Arrgh! No! No!!!
> Never ever ever.
Sorry. Of course not, I should have known better. I thought I was looking
for a binary called "ssh", so found it in /etc, and jumped to the wrong
conclusion, thinking it was an installation glitch. A more careful perusal
of open-ssh files via kpackage reveals one binary:
But according to the documentation, there is supposed to be an "ssh"
binary, as the secure-shell client. There is "ssh-keygen", which I have
just executed, to create my public and private encrypted keys. Like so:
/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -b 1024 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N
But there is no "ssh" binary listed in either the kpackage list, or in
did not evoke anything, either.
> Boy, do _YOU_ need to read the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard.
> No, binaries never ever go in /etc. That tree is for
> configuration files.
Of course they don't. I spaced out over my confusion re. trying to install
> Zeke, if you're going to configure users' systems for them and fulfill
> the role of sysadmin, you _must_ study Unix and learn its internal
> logic. You simply must. Otherwise, your whole scheme for configuration
> and user support fails at its central point.
No problem...that is what I'm doing. No way am I trying to install secure
shell on a client's system at this time. I am doing this for my own
education, first. The clients now using Linux, are only using it to browse
the Internet, compose e-mail, and do simple word processing.
> I'm telling you, and I know this is awfully blunt: Stop wasting your
> time with Que books. Learn how this stuff works, so you can do your
> clients justice.
I only have one Que book...but no Linux book I have, discusses installing
and running secure shell (including "Running Linux")
> The FHS document's current version (2.1) can be found at
> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/ , but only in PDF format.
Okay, I have it now. Thanks for taking the trouble to track down these
files; I appreciate it. I will enjoy reading this file-hierarchy document
> By the way, if you need access to SSH clients for _any_ platform, I
> maintain the most comprehensive list anywhere in the world that I
> (and the SSH mailing list) know of:
That sure is complete! Thanks again for having such patience and excellent
advice for this newbie, Rick. Let's see how I manage with installing
open-ssh this time around. Stayed tuned for the results, some time
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